Show unread not showing unread lazarus / 8-Other ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-07 20:21 Hello, Often when I click on "Show unread", it shows an empty list even though there are unread topics.  A bit worrisome is that, it doesn't always happen, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, why the difference, I have no idea. Attached is a screen snapshot of a case where the "Show unread" showed an empty list while there are unread topic on the right hand side. Has anyone else experienced this ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dseligo · 2022-01-07 20:52 I noticed that, and I think it's when someone only change existing post and there isn't new post (and you've read that posts already). That doesn't explain 'MOVED' post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- engkin · 2022-01-07 21:52 I kinda got the impression it meant "unread today". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2022-01-07 22:57 Quote from: 440bx on January 07, 2022, 09:21:05 pmHello, Often when I click on "Show unread", it shows an empty list even though there are unread topics.  A bit worrisome is that, it doesn't always happen, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, why the difference, I have no idea. Attached is a screen snapshot of a case where the "Show unread" showed an empty list while there are unread topic on the right hand side. Has anyone else experienced this ? I think this works with date time, the date time since your last visit there was no new stuff, doesn't matter if you read it or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 00:11 Quote from: lainz on January 07, 2022, 11:57:22 pmI think this works with date time, the date time since your last visit there was no new stuff, doesn't matter if you read it or not. Before it used to list all unread items, now there are times when it doesn't (as the screenshot shows) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- engkin · 2022-01-08 00:40 Per your screenshot,  "click here to try all unread topics". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 01:06 Quote from: engkin on January 08, 2022, 01:40:01 amPer your screenshot,  "click here to try all unread topics". I had not noticed that. Since you pointed that out, I figured I'd try it and clicked on "Show unread" (on the left hand side menu) and it showed me all the unread messages (as it used to) without having to click on ""click here to try all unread topics" (which was not even present.)  IOW, in that particular instance, it worked as it used to. Now that you've pointed out that "click here to try all unread topics", I'll be on the lookout for it when the list is empty But, I like the way it used to work. Click "Show unread" and it showed all the unread messages without having to click on anything else. Attached is a screenshot of what I got this time (which is what I used to get) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin_fr · 2022-01-08 01:14 I remember having had that same issue many years back. I am not aware that I changed something, I used to go for the "all unread". I have no idea why for me it has not happened since. Until now I believed it to be fixed (assuming it had to be fixed?). But apparently ... and I guess, if its been there for so long, then it may be meant to be this way... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 01:24 Quote from: Martin_fr on January 08, 2022, 02:14:04 amI remember having had that same issue many years back. I am not aware that I changed something, I used to go for the "all unread". I have no idea why for me it has not happened since. Until now I believed it to be fixed (assuming it had to be fixed?). But apparently ... and I guess, if its been there for so long, then it may be meant to be this way... Now that I know about the "click here to try all unread topics", I'll just click on that whenever I get an empty list while I know there are unread messages.  What I find puzzling is that sometimes it works the way it used to and other times that extra click is needed.  One extra click.. no biggie. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 01:29 The one thing that concerns me is that sometimes it doesn't show _all_ the unread messages and there is no option to "click here to try all unread topics".  The attached screenshot shows that there are 4 unread messages but only 3 are listed.  Something is not quite right somewhere. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- engkin · 2022-01-08 01:33 As per your second and third screenshots,  "All unread topics" moved down below the topics There are two "sets" of unread topics: 1-For today or since last time, not sure. 2-All. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trev · 2022-01-08 01:44 I chose "unread posts" from a sub-forum on the main page, then chose "all unread". Of the three unread posts shown at right, only one appears in the unread list. Definitely not working properly. [edit] I notice it changes from "unread posts" to "unread topics" which at first glance seems to explain the difference! [edit2] Except when I returned and did the same, it showed me the one new post in this topic which I'd previously read and posted in. Oh well, back to the drawing board. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 02:27 Quote from: engkin on January 08, 2022, 02:33:05 amAs per your second and third screenshots,  "All unread topics" moved down below the topics There are two "sets" of unread topics: 1-For today or since last time, not sure. 2-All. I've never had to do that before. Before, I would just click on "Show unread" and it showed me a list of _all_ unread messages. The way it's behaving now makes it easy to miss messages and confusing because "Show unread" isn't showing all the unread messages. And having the distinction between "unread posts" and "unread topics" mentioned by @trev above doesn't help matters either. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your help.  I just think something that is supposed to be very simple is getting a bit more complicated than it actually is.  Reminds of mirrors that read "Objects in mirror are more complicated than they appear".  Maybe the solution is to put the monitor behind me and look at it on a mirror.  I'm going to patent that idea. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- engkin · 2022-01-08 03:35 Quote from: 440bx on January 08, 2022, 03:27:28 amI've never had to do that before. Before, I would just click on "Show unread" and it showed me a list of _all_ unread messages. I am surprised. For me it's been like that for a long time now.  I am not sure, but I think for me the change occured around the time they removed the "Recent Activity" item. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin_fr · 2022-01-08 09:49 Ok, my guess... 1) https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/How_to_view_unread_posts_and_re plies "unread since" is probably: unread since the last visit (log-off?) 2) If it is topics ... I know the page says "posts"  in some cases... If it is topics... Quote from: 440bx on January 08, 2022, 02:29:44 amhas an image, showing 3 out of 4 entries. The "topic" that is *not* shown, has the "post" with the most recent date (the newest post). If the 3 other posts fall under "since last log off", then why not this? Well, if it is topics. Lets call that topic "A". If "A" had an earlier post "a(5)" that had been unread (and in turn made "A" unread) *before* the last log-off, then "A" had been unread (and shown as such) at that time. "A" therefore has *not* become unread since the last log-off. Hence "A" is not on the list. Even though by now the topic "A" has new posts "A(7)", and that post happened after the "seen since last log-off". So by that rule, it could be explained. Now, I don't know how it really is done.... So this is just one theory. And, yes, reading the linked doc => I would expect it to be different "opics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit". - Any new post, regardless of pre-existing unread posts. - But it could be "changed from having no new posts, to having new posts" Btw, the source of smf can be downloaded. So it can be found out how it works.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 09:58 Quote from: Martin_fr on January 08, 2022, 10:49:19 amBtw, the source of smf can be downloaded. So it can be found out how it works.... I figured that if I see " unread" anywhere on the page, I'll just click on it.  That's my "theory" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- balazsszekely · 2022-01-08 10:15 @440bx It most likely related to your connection quality. If you login, then access the "Show unread" section, then go for a 15 minutes walk and your session expires, the unread messages magically are gone. Most likely a software bug. My theory is that after login you get disconnected for a short period of time. The question is: do you have problem with the connection? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 12:30 Hi Getmem, I've been having problems with the connection but only with the Lazarus forum.  Every time I'm away for more than a few minutes then I get a timeout, sometimes even two before I finally get to see a page again. That only happens with the Lazarus forums.  With any other website the response is quick.  I posted a question a few days ago to find out if other people were experiencing that problem (the timeouts) and, it seems it's only happening to me. One thing that might be involved in all the "quirks" I am experiencing is that Chrome says it's not connected using https (just http), there is that red "Not secure" label next to the Lazarus forum url. That problem started about a month ago, maybe a bit more and, I switched to Firefox which didn't complain about the Lazarus certificate.  Unfortunately, Firefox, a couple of weeks ago couldn't start anymore and, even reinstalling the thing didn't solve the problem.  Because of that, I switched back to Chrome which, for some reason, is unhappy with the Lazarus site certificate. It's quite possible that the quirks I'm experiencing are due to Chrome being unhappy about the certificate causing it to operate differently than it normally would. I should probably move the stuff I've accumulated in this VM to another - fresh - VM.  Doing that would probably make Firefox happy which has no complaints about Lazarus web certificate.  I'll eventually run out of patience and do that... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin_fr · 2022-01-08 12:47 Quote from: 440bx on January 08, 2022, 01:30:22 pmI've been having problems with the connection but only with the Lazarus forum.  Every time I'm away for more than a few minutes then I get a timeout, sometimes even two before I finally get to see a page again. We are aware that there are a lot of small-ish delays (5 - 15 secs), and occasional bigger delays. The cause has not yet been established. QuoteOne thing that might be involved in all the "quirks" I am experiencing is that Chrome says it's not connected using https (just http), there is that red "Not secure" label next to the Lazarus forum url. For me both Chrome and Firefox have no problem with the certificate, or any https related issue. (Win 10 64 bit) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- trev · 2022-01-08 21:38 @440BX: Many browser certificate issues recently have been due to the Let's Encrypt root certificate (DST Root CA X3) expiry on 30 September. This caused a couple of issues: 1) Unless your OS and/or browser root certificate store was updated (Firefox's was), any Let's Encrypt server certificate fails verification because of the root certificate expiry. 2) As part of a kludge for Android  devices that are not updated and cannot be updated, Let's Encrypt's new root certificate (ISRG Root X1) is also “cross-signed” by their now expired root certificate and some programs (eg FreeBSD's fetch utility) don't like it because one of the certification paths looks like: Code: Text  [Select][+][-]window.onload = function(){var x1 = document.getElementById("main_content_section"); if (x1) { var x = document.getElementsByClassName("geshi");for (var i = 0; i 1       Sent by server  sentry.orgFingerprint SHA256: 4676efa667a14502b8e2d987f5e66f4f7c1836c3785ad80ad2e0df859df85890Pin SHA256: NjaOyokcU74v2JTF2iANx0flEzwfhOaUOsSJ72WHBVU=RSA 2048 bits (e 65537) / SHA256withRSA2       Sent by server  R3Fingerprint SHA256: 67add1166b020ae61b8f5fc96813c04c2aa589960796865572a3c7e737613dfdPin SHA256: jQJTbIh0grw0/1TkHSumWb+Fs0Ggogr621gT3PvPKG0=RSA 2048 bits (e 65537) / SHA256withRSA3       Sent by server  ISRG Root X1Fingerprint SHA256: 6d99fb265eb1c5b3744765fcbc648f3cd8e1bffafdc4c2f99b9d47cf7ff1c24fPin SHA256: C5+lpZ7tcVwmwQIMcRtPbsQtWLABXhQzejna0wHFr8M=RSA 4096 bits (e 65537) / SHA256withRSA4       In trust store  DST Root CA X3   Self- signed    Fingerprint SHA256: 0687260331a72403d909f105e69bcf0d32e1bd2493ffc6d9206d11bcd6770739Pin SHA256: Vjs8r4z+80wjNcr1YKepWQboSIRi63WsWXhIMN+eWys=RSA 2048 bits (e 65537) / SHA1withRSAValid until: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:01:15 UTCEXPIREDWeak or insecure signature, but no impact on root certificate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 440bx · 2022-01-08 22:07 Thank you Martin and Trev. The important part is that the problems/quirks I'm experiencing are mostly, if not entirely, caused by something that is not quite right in my current environment.  That means that eventually, I'll bite the bullet and, move my stuff to a clean, fresh installation. Again, thank you both for the additional info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin_fr · 2022-01-09 10:28 So, now that my awareness has been instilled, I have to revoke my prior statement. I just noted it happening to me too. Even with "all unread" the center section of the page showed only some of the topics, compared to those marked "new" in the "recent" side- panel. I just had not been aware of what I had been missing. Oh, darn, wasn't ignorance just bliss...