Windows 10X without win32 lazarus / 34-Windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 19:25 What do you think about the next gen Windows 10X without Win32 API? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marcov · 2020-10-12 19:50 Useless? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 20:05 I dont think so. Is like Chrome OS, it will have it's benefits. For Tablets as well. There are a lot of business moving to web apps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marcov · 2020-10-12 20:21 Quote from: lainz on October 12, 2020, 10:05:03 pmI dont think so. Is like Chrome OS, it will have it's benefits. Well everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. I gave you mine :-) Quote For Tablets as well. There are a lot of business moving to web apps. So why do we need another then? We already have iOS and Android/Chrome. The value of Windows is its long time compatibility. Without it, it is just a slowly moving Android/iOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 20:28 Quote from: marcov on October 12, 2020, 10:21:08 pmWell everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. I gave you mine :-) And I appreciate your time, just my response. QuoteSo why do we need another then? We already have iOS and Android/Chrome. The value of Windows is its long time compatibility. Without it, it is just a slowly moving Android/iOS Well you don't need it in fact. They need it at Microsoft I think, to seel something mobile. I think it can fail as well like Windows Mobile, or Windows Phone. But anyways it can be a success and the need to develops apps to it's platform can come. Just time will say. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nanobit · 2020-10-12 20:49 Quote from: lainz on October 12, 2020, 09:25:03 pmWhat do you think about the next gen Windows 10X without Win32 API? The solution is easy: Just write a win32 based killer app and your users won't move to Windows 10X ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 21:07 Quote from: nanobit on October 12, 2020, 10:49:03 pmThe solution is easy: Just write a win32 based killer app and your users won't move to Windows 10X That is like write a Windows app and your users will not move to Android. I think one writes the app where it's the user. If these tablets or PC's are cheaper, why don't have the market in that too? Again in my opinion all is moving towards websites. I don't install a win32 app to use the bank. But yes an Android app to use the bank. So maybe if it goes well I need to install some app from the Windows Store, like you do in Android, macOS and iOS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 21:40 But anyways is like a Microsoft dream. Even his browser Chromium Edge is Win32  I only installed some free games from the Store that are only available there. Nothing more. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marcov · 2020-10-12 21:47 Quote from: lainz on October 12, 2020, 10:28:43 pmBut anyways it can be a success and the need to develops apps to it's platform can come. Just time will say.  I assume that then developers will stand up to develop a port. But this reminds me about the Windows Mobile and Surface RT discussions, two previous MS mobile platforms(*) and we all know how that turned out. (*) and luckily Zune didn't have an apps platform, or it would have been three. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- circular · 2020-10-12 21:47 If Windows remove support for Win32 apps, this will be a golden era for ReactOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 21:53 Quote from: circular on October 12, 2020, 11:47:36 pmIf Windows remove support for Win32 apps, this will be a golden era for ReactOS  Yes that can be  But is a thing for mobile (tablets) and low end PC's (notebooks), so not replacing the old PC, just a new Windows flavor. Quote from: marcov on October 12, 2020, 11:47:13 pmQuote from: lainz on October 12, 2020, 10:28:43 pmBut anyways it can be a success and the need to develops apps to it's platform can come. Just time will say.  I assume that then developers will stand up to develop a port. But this reminds me about the Windows Mobile and Surface RT discussions, two previous MS mobile platforms(*) and we all know how that turned out. (*) and luckily Zune didn't have an apps platform, or it would have been three. Yes their mobile story get's them in the way of failure. Like a prediction in some way, based on his previous failures. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Soner · 2020-10-12 21:55 I read here (in German), that Windows 10x can run win32 applications. Win32-System is designed as container and loaded only if an application needs it. Edit: Sorry the info above is one years old. It will now not support win32-contianer, maybe later later over cloud, source pc welt 21.7.2020 in german. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 22:04 Quote from: Soner on October 12, 2020, 11:55:20 pmI read here (in German), that Windows 10x can run win32 applications. Win32-System is designed as container and loaded only if an application needs it. Edit: Sorry the info above is one years old. It will now not support win32-contianer, maybe later later over cloud, source pc welt 21.7.2020 in german. Yes like a cloud win32, not incorporated in the system. I guess a paid service for enterprise, or for those that want to run photoshop... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ASBzone · 2020-10-12 22:24 Win32 support is not going away from Windows in this decade.   (Okay, all bets are off for 2028 and 2029) There will be versions of Windows that eliminate that support within the next few years, certainly, but they will not be the only versions of Windows commonly available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- winni · 2020-10-12 22:25 Hi! M$ cannot throw away the 32 bit support. There are so many old installation with Win7 (20%) or even XP (2%). Percentage differs among the different sources. But there are so many goverment departements in germany that are on Win7 and make special contracts with M$ for continuing support. And there are so many (and expensive) buisiness software packets that are 32 bit. If M$ stops the 32 bit support this will make big trouble. But anyway: Nobody knows where the Win10 train is going to. Eric Raymond ("The Cathedral and the Bazar") said on the long run they will go the Apple way: Put a Linux (or another ___X) underneath and put their own Destop on top. Who knows. The one solution in those unsecure Windows future I see in companies with tech know how: A Windows 7 account is put into a virtual machine on a Linux host. Behind a  Linux firewall. For all the non-technical employes. And the other solution would be that ReactOS is going forward. But I see only little progress. And the next solution would be that Wine would become more stable - not only for games. M$ earns now more money with their cloud than with windows. And M$ always ran behind the money. Winni ---------------------------------------------------------------------- lainz · 2020-10-12 22:32 Yes of course, remember that this is not replacing Windows 10. Is like a separate product, so there will be Windows 10 (for gamers, developers in PC and Notebooks) and Windows 10X (for tablets and low- end notebooks, like to fight with Chrome OS, Android and the like). In my country is cheapest to buy a PC than a Notebook, and PC are more powerfull to work developing. So I never will buy a Windows 10 X to work, I think Windows 10 X will not have Visual Studio (at least in the first years). So you will still need Windows 10 to develop the applications for Windows 10 X. ------------------------------------------------------- Offtopic: Or if the trend goes all web, the apps will be done in the browser, they're already working on an IDE for GitHub (is their same IDE Visual Studio Online that failed). I know some other web IDE's like this one (stackblitz.com). This can deploy to Firebase in one click, so no need to have a PC to develop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ASBzone · 2020-10-12 22:34 Quote from: winni on October 13, 2020, 12:25:22 amM$ earns now more money with their cloud than with windows. And M$ always ran behind the money. Microsoft has run with a lot of things that didn't make money for a while, too.  Like XBox.   That is paying off for them at present. And, Azure is making a ton of money because it is running two of their two money makers: Office and Windows.   (And it is doing well because it runs more than just Windows well) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ASBzone · 2020-10-12 22:36 Quote from: lainz on October 13, 2020, 12:32:21 amYes of course, remember that this is not replacing Windows 10. Is like a separate product, so there will be Windows 10 (for gamers, developers in PC and Notebooks) and Windows 10X (for tablets and low-end notebooks, like to fight with Chrome OS, Android and the like). Which makes sense for them.  Trying to have one monolithic platform that ran on all hardware has proved to be difficult and pointless. Providing a version of Windows that can run on ARM and x86, but not be saddled with 32-bit code is not entirely a bad idea.  Let's see the execution, though...