install lazarus and/or fpc on Pinebook Pro Manjaro ARM64 ?
lazarus / 1-Linux

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-12 10:04

Hi
Yesterday my Pinebook Pro arrived.  By default it runs Manjaro and it
has an ARM64 processor.
I looked in the package manager and the only package I can find is
fpc-src.
I am familiar with Windows and Debian (x86) but I know nothing about
Manjaro.
I asked on the Manjaro forum but no replies yet.
Can anyone suggest what the best way forward is?
The only ideas I can think of are to cross compile fpc from Windows or
x86 Linux, or, to rip the binary files out of a Debian deb file.
Debian seems to support fpc 3.0.4 as stable or 3.2 as experimental on
ARM64.
Any Manjaro experts on here can help?
thanks, DNJ

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Leledumbo · 2020-07-12 11:48

I'm not a Manjaro ARM user so package availablility might differ from
x86_64. GUI package manager is sometimes misleading, so try asking the
package manager:
Code: Bash  [Select][+][-]window.onload = function(){var x1 =
document.getElementById("main_content_section"); if (x1) { var x =
document.getElementsByClassName("geshi");for (var i = 0; i $ pacman
-Ss lazarus If there's one (or two), just install that (sudo pacman -S
<the package name>), the dependencies should be pulled automatically.

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dbannon · 2020-07-12 12:18

Wild speculation !  Could you download fpc-3.2.0.aarch64-linux.tar
from https://sourceforge.net/projects/freepascal/files/Linux/3.2.0/
and install it.  Then download the Lazarus source and build ?

Docs about just where the fpc install kits are usable are a bit rare
but might be worth a try I'd suggest.  There are instructions for
installing FPC from one of these kits here
https://wiki.freepascal.org/Installing_the_Free_Pascal_Compiler

(and do please keep us informed as to how things panned out.)

Davo

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-12 12:24

Quote from: dbannon on July 12, 2020, 02:18:34 pmWild speculation ! 
Could you download fpc-3.2.0.aarch64-linux.tar from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/freepascal/files/Linux/3.2.0/
and install it.  Then download the Lazarus source and build ?

Docs about just where the fpc install kits are usable are a bit rare
but might be worth a try I'd suggest.  There are instructions for
installing FPC from one of these kits here
https://wiki.freepascal.org/Installing_the_Free_Pascal_Compiler

(and do please keep us informed as to how things panned out.)

Davo

yes I came to the same conclusion.

out of the box it complained about missing 'as' command.  The Manjaro
package 'binutils' fixed that.

at least fpc 3.2 works now, so I can probably compile Lazarus from
source

the thread on Manjaro https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-install-fpc-
and-lazarus-on-pinebook-pro-arm-64-bit/152872

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-12 12:34

so what is the best way to install Lazarus from source?
as the Pinebook Pro is running KDE I suppose the qt variant would make
more sense?

I don't need the latest bleeding edge version, just something that is
stable on top of fpc 3.2

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-12 12:37

I guess I just use SVN as described here
https://wiki.freepascal.org/Getting_Lazarus ?

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dbannon · 2020-07-13 03:16

https://wiki.freepascal.org/Installing_Lazarus_on_Linux, more
specifically https://wiki.freepascal.org/Installing_Lazarus_on_Linux#B
uild_Lazarus_from_Source

I suggest you go for Lazarus 2.0.10, its only a few days old.  And
almost certainly rock solid.

Davo

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-13 08:35

I got 2.1.0 from SVN and it works well.

In case anyone else lands here, you need these packages installed
first:-
binutils
make
subversion
qt5pas

fpc-3.2.0.source.tar.gz from
https://www.freepascal.org/down/source/sources.html

fpc installer from here https://www.freepascal.org/down/aarch64/linux-
hungary.html

after downloading Lazarus using SVN I used this command
Code: Pascal  [Select][+][-]window.onload = function(){var x1 =
document.getElementById("main_content_section"); if (x1) { var x =
document.getElementsByClassName("geshi");for (var i = 0; i make
LCL_PLATFORM=qt5
what isn't clear to me is if I should have used the 'bigide' option

If someone can answer that then I will write it all up as a wiki page
on the Pinebook site.

By the way it's a really nice laptop.  The battery life is
significantly better than my Lenovo T420s and it's much slimmer and
lighter, and it has a nice keyboard.

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dbannon · 2020-07-14 13:14

Quote from: dieselnutjob on July 13, 2020, 10:35:50 amwhat isn't clear
to me is if I should have used the 'bigide' option

If someone can answer that then I will write it all up as a wiki page
on the Pinebook site.

By the way it's a really nice laptop.  The battery life is
significantly better than my Lenovo T420s and it's much slimmer and
lighter, and it has a nice keyboard.

bigide will get you some extra tools in the IDE that, personally, I
would not be without.  But if you don't need them, why worry ?

Your install, including the dependencies you mention, is just another
Linux install. Its documented on the page I mentioned and maybe thats
where any additional info belongs ?    We do have quite a large
collection of pages about specific Linux distros / hardware already,
honestly, they are not very helpful unless there is something wildly
different about them.  But I would be the last person to discourage
anyone from adding documentation !

Davo

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JuhaManninen · 2020-07-14 14:08

Quote from: dieselnutjob on July 13, 2020, 10:35:50 amwhat isn't clear
to me is if I should have used the 'bigide' option
You can install any package from the "bigide" target yourself using
the Install/Uninstall packages window.
These are the packages listed in Makefile :
Code: [Select]# Options to compile an IDE with a lot of packages
BIG_IDE_OPTIONS=-dBigIDE $(DEFAULT_IDE_OPTIONS) \
  -Fu../components/synedit/design/units/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/lazcontrols/design/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/rtticontrols/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/cairocanvas/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/printers/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/printers/design/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/tdbf/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM)
\
  -Fu../components/turbopower_ipro/units/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/turbopower_ipro/design/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/fpcunit/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/fpcunit/ide/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/projecttemplates/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
 
-Fu../components/sqldb/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM)
\
  -Fu../components/sdf/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM)
\
  -Fu../components/fpdebug/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/cmdlinedebuggerbase/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerlldb/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerfplldb/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerfp/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/leakview/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
 
-Fu../components/memds/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM)
\
  -Fu../components/tachart/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/todolist/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/datetimectrls/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/datetimectrls/design/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/jcf2/IdePlugin/lazarus/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/chmhelp/packages/help/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/chmhelp/packages/idehelp/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/instantfpc/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/externhelp/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/PascalScript/Source/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)
\
  -Fu../components/macroscript/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET) \
  -Fu../components/lclextensions/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)-
$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/virtualtreeview/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-$(OS_TARGET)-
$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/onlinepackagemanager/lib/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM) \
  -Fu../components/pas2js/units/$(CPU_TARGET)-
$(OS_TARGET)/$(LCL_PLATFORM)

QuoteBy the way it's a really nice laptop.  The battery life is
significantly better than my Lenovo T420s and it's much slimmer and
lighter, and it has a nice keyboard.
Interesting machine! And popular, too. Seems to be out of stock now. 2
GB of RAM and 16 GB eMMC are not much though.
Is OS installed into the eMMC drive or is it always booted from
MicroSD Card? In the latter case 16 GB eMMC could even be enough.
Does it have a propeller (fan)? I have a fetich for passively cooled
mini-PCs. I know a passively cooled laptop is more difficult to make
because its keyboard is embedded and  its top surface cannot work as a
heatsink.
I wonder if they plan to make localized versions (keyboards) for
different languages.

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dieselnutjob · 2020-07-14 14:25

Quote from: JuhaManninen on July 14, 2020, 04:08:49 pmInteresting
machine! And popular, too. Seems to be out of stock now. 2 GB of RAM
and 16 GB eMMC are not much though.
Is OS installed into the eMMC drive or is it always booted from
MicroSD Card? In the latter case 16 GB eMMC could even be enough.
Does it have a propeller (fan)? I have a fetich for passively cooled
mini-PCs. I know a passively cooled laptop is more difficult to make
because its keyboard is embedded and  its top surface cannot work as a
heatsink.
I wonder if they plan to make localized versions (keyboards) for
different languages.

I think that you were looking at the Pinebook.  I have the Pinebook
Pro.  It's significantly nicer and what I would recommend.
https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/
4G RAM and a 64 GB eMMC.  The eMMC is easily swapped for a larger one
and you can also buy an adapter for NVMe SSD.
Manjaro pre-installed on the 64 GB eMMC.
Yesterday I put Debian on an SD card.  If I put the card in, it boots
Debian, if not then it boots Manjaro.
Totally fanless and silent.
The only keyboard choices currently are UK or US.
Arrive from Hong Kong a couple of weeks after placing my order, and I
had to pay £50 to DHL in import duties but I was expecting that.

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JuhaManninen · 2020-07-14 15:26

I believe Rockchip RK3399 SoC is powerful but the laptop is still
fanless.
Nice!
I always wondered why table computers and laptops need buzzing
propellers while tablets and hi-end phones don't. ARM is simpler and
apparently makes a difference.

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dieselnutjob · 2020-08-05 01:08

I wrote up the whole thing here
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=Freepascal_and_Lazarus_IDE_on_
Manjaro

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Leledumbo · 2020-08-06 13:17

Quote from: JuhaManninen on July 14, 2020, 05:26:15 pmI believe
Rockchip RK3399 SoC is powerful but the laptop is still fanless.
Nice!
I always wondered why table computers and laptops need buzzing
propellers while tablets and hi-end phones don't. ARM is simpler and
apparently makes a difference.
It's due to x86 legacy. It would be a bad bet with guaranteed lose if
somehow x86 makes a breaking revision. Anyway, when ARM gets into the
same performance territory, it might need a fan eventually. Perhaps
just a smaller one. I have a RK3399 powered Mini PC, it's fanless, but
its performance is not stable. Running benchmarks a couple of times
will produce differing result every time, with large enough gap
between the best and worst due to its old 28nm manufacturing process
causing significant thermal throttling. Can't beat the same fanless
Intel Celeron N4100 with lower TDP (N4100: 6W, RK3399: 7W), although
Intel one can boost up to 20W when both CPU and GPU are stressed to
the max.