Nothing but chaotic attempts lazarus / 1-Linux ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-09 14:16 Linux is very new to me. I installed it Mint Cinnamon within a VM on a Win 10 host. Now I try to populate it with software. Firebird worked at once. Lazarus 4. gives me troubles, which leave me clueless. I try for hours only to get installation files. After about 20 attempts I found out, that any file troubles. I could not copy the files from the host to the VM. After I dragged them as zip, I could do it, but then the unzip says "there was an error on unzipping. This was true for 2 download attempts. Then I found an installation file with *.deb and tried. But what? I have no idea, what to do with it. Here is a thread about "rights", - which is "solved". I do not even understand how and when to set any permission. I have a *.deb file and what now? Perhaps you can start by giving me the EXACT name and EXACT link of what and where to download. I want to work with Lazarus 4. The choice of links is overwhelming. At the moment I have nothing but a clean xia and Firebird 5 running. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RayoGlauco · 2025-06-09 14:49 I don't currently have Linux Mint installed, but I used to. I downloaded the Lazarus files from the official link (https://sourcefor ge.net/projects/lazarus/files/Lazarus%20Linux%20amd64%20DEB/Lazarus%20 4.0/ at the moment). As said in the readme.md file: You need to download and install **all three** packages fpc-laz, fpc- src and lazarus-project. # Install them in order: 1. **fpc-laz** - the Compiler, useful command line tools, base units and non visual components like database access 2. **fpc-src** - the sources of fpc and its packages, needed for code browsing 3. **lazarus-project** - the IDE, visual components and help files ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RayoGlauco · 2025-06-09 15:05 The official download links for each operating system can be found on the page https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ as shown in the attached image. For Linux Mint Cinnamon, Linux DEB 64-bit is the appropriate option. I should add that Linux Mint usually had an old version of Lazarus in its repositories, and I, at least, had problems installing it. The version downloaded directly from the links provided at https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ gave me no problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- paweld · 2025-06-09 16:32 If you don't know Linux well, I recommend installing Lazarus using fpcupdeluxe. First of all, the file permissions problems that can arise when installing additional components disappear. Here is a sample installation guide: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Snf0xgdREOQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-09 16:34 I will watch the video in some minutes. Up to now there is the error message which I saw similar to all attempts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2025-06-10 08:53 Nicole, I cannot use the language you are using and as you posted an image of the error, I cannot copy it to translate it. But, you seem to be trying to install fpc-laz_3.2.2-210709_amd64.deb. As noted, you also need the two other packages and must install in the right order (or all at once). So, to install this one, the first one, you would open a terminal, change to the directory you downloaded it to (probably ~/Downloads) and use apt (not apt-get) to install it. eg Code: Bash  [Select][+][-]window.onload = function(){var x1 = document.getElementById("main_content_section"); if (x1) { var x = document.getElementsByClassName("geshi");for (var i = 0; i $> cd ~/Downloads        # where I guess your downloads are$> ls -l  *.deb            # just to make sure they are there$> sudo apt install ./fpc-laz_3.2.2-210709_amd64.deb...$ startlazarus The second step above should show the files you have downloaded. If there are not three of them, consistent with the what you expect, following steps will not work. You MUST put the ./ in front of the downloaded file name (no spaces). Or something that explicitly points to where the file is. ./ means "this here directory". Repeat the third command replacing the filename with first the fpc source file then the lazarus file.  If you get error messages, copy and paste them here, as you appear to be bi-lingual (I am regrettably NOT) you could provide an english translation too ! Welcome to Linux, you will quickly get used to the differences. In particular, get used to (and learn to love) the command Line ! Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zvoni · 2025-06-10 10:01 Quote from: dbannon on June 10, 2025, 10:53:39 amNicole, I cannot use the language you are using and as you posted an image of the error, I cannot copy it to translate it. Shown error literally translated: "The file is probably corrupted or is missing Rights" It looks like she did a doubleclick on the deb-file directly When i was still on Ubuntu (which Mint is based on) i used "GDebi" (can be found in Repo) to install deb-files IIRC, it also resolved dependencies (but not sure. It's been a few years) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-10 10:09 Zvoni, ... I cannot understand, what you mean, although we both speak German. Let me start with translating: The error message of the screenshot says: ".... could not be opened. The file may be damaged or permissions not granted." The checkbox checked says "allow to run the file as program", group "sudo". All permissions are set to "read and write". Then I tried the terminal line suggested by Bannon and read: "The package list or the status file could not be read or opened." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CM630 · 2025-06-10 10:19 Did you try the wiki? https://wiki.freepascal.org/Installing_Lazarus_on_Linux#Installing_on_ Linux_Mint (.deb files are installed with a double click) I have no idea why you did this: Quote from: Nicole on June 09, 2025, 04:16:34 pm... After about 20 attempts I found out, that any file troubles. I could not copy the files from the host to the VM. After I dragged them as zip, I could do it, but then the unzip says "there was an error on unzipping. ... The OS comes with a web browser, just run it and get Lazarus from there. Maybe clipboard and file copying are not enabled by default in the VM that you are using, so you might need to enable them manually. Quote from: paweld on June 09, 2025, 06:32:42 pmIf you don't know Linux well, I recommend installing Lazarus using fpcupdeluxe. ... I tried it with no success; it does not look like a tool for beginners. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zvoni · 2025-06-10 10:23 Quote from: Nicole on June 10, 2025, 12:09:34 pmZvoni, ... I cannot understand, what you mean, although we both speak German. Let me start with translating: The error message of the screenshot says: ".... could not be opened. The file may be damaged or permissions not granted." The checkbox checked says "allow to run the file as program", group "sudo". All permissions are set to "read and write". Then I tried the terminal line suggested by Bannon and read: "The package list or the status file could not be read or opened." A deb-file is not an executable. So setting it to "allow to run file as program" is nonsense. A deb-file is more similiar to a zip-file "GDebi" is a little tool available on Ubuntu (and derivates, which Mint is). From command-line: "sudo apt-get install gdebi". I used that to install deb-packages when i was still on Ubuntu. Start GDebi (it's a GUI-program with a Window), select your deb-file and off you go. Well, and the deb-file actually being completely downloaded (File-Size of deb-file?) not withstanding...... EDIT: Wait a second. Your Linux is in a VM (VirtualBox?). Did you download the deb-file WITHIN the VM or outside (on your Windows-Host)? If it's VirtualBox i think to remember, that the Extensions have to be installed  (and the option be activated)  to be able to move files between Host and Guest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin_fr · 2025-06-10 10:50 Quote from: Nicole on June 09, 2025, 04:16:34 pmAfter I dragged them as zip, I could do it, but then the unzip says "there was an error on unzipping. Have you tried direct download inside the virtual machine? Maybe something went wrong, when transferring between host and guest system? Also files have checksums on sourceforge (and on the lazarus homepage). Your linux may have tools like   md5sum   fpc-laz_3.2.2-210709_amd64.deb   sha1sum   fpc-laz_3.2.2-210709_amd64.deb Then you can compare them to the expected checksum. (for all the deb files) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-10 14:49 Thank you all answers and especial to Zwoni's. I installed this thing, - and it did not work neither. This message was clear: The troubles came from the Windows 10 copy. I re-downloaded everything by the Linux-VM and now Lazarus 4 shows me the welcome screen. Have to go, I am eager to explore it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2025-06-13 01:09 Quote from: Zvoni on June 10, 2025, 12:01:07 pmWhen i was still on Ubuntu (which Mint is based on) i used "GDebi" (can be found in Repo) to install deb-files IIRC, it also resolved dependencies (but not sure. It's been a few years) Yes, gdebi is a solution, unfortunately, its a GTK2 app, no sign of a GTK2/3 or Qt version so most current distributions have stopped installing it by default. Its a shame, its a really useful app. I used to recommend using it to install my app but no longer do so. And, yes, it resolves dependencies.  If you will be using gtk2 stuff anyway (such as default lazarus), I'd still recommend installing gdebi first. Maybe we need to make a Lazarus version of gdebi ?  Then it can use usable widget set ? Its just a GUI wrapper around apt. I claim copyright to "Ldebi" ! Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-13 13:18 copyright granted! I am really long at computers. I assure you: The change to Linux is that hard, that I think over to let it. This is a pity for the Linux community. Because the idea should be, to get all those users who hate Windows 11. In Germany there is a huge technical magazine publisher who reaches ten thousands of admins, who pushes Linux and writes articles about how to change from Windows.  I was one of the readers. There are too many Linux versions around. It is like Pretty Good Privacy. A killer app, - nobody wants. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2025-06-14 01:40 Quote from: Nicole on June 13, 2025, 03:18:37 pmI am really long at computers. I assure you: The change to Linux is that hard, that I think over to let it. Yes, I understand that.  But be careful how you compare, I'm guessing you have used Windows for "many" years ? Gradually improving your knowledge, getting a better and better understanding over those "many" years ? And now you know Windows pretty well ! Do you think its reasonable to get to that same skill level with Linux in a few days ? I feel as you do every time my wife asks for help with Windows. Its just another operating system, surely I can sort it out for her ?  But every time its hard work, lots of "bloody Windows" and similar expletives. I hate, for example how Windows hides from you where it saved a file, on Linux its very obvious, you can go there and find it later. But Windows (and Android which is really Linux) its not really your business where a file is saved, "trust us".  Keep it simple, I call it dumbing down ! And all that is because I am not willing (nor have a need) to put the time into understanding how Windows works.    Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cdbc · 2025-06-14 07:22 Hi @Nicole: Maybe you just chose the not so perfect for you linux distro... If I were you, I'd give PCLinuxOS a go. It's really easy to get started with and it just runs stable + it's got fpc 3.2.2 & lazarus 3.8 in the software repository. laz 4.0 is coming in a couple of weeks  It plays nice with FpcUpdeluxe too. Regards Benny ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2025-06-14 13:08 Thank you for the link. Which version do you recommend? Why shall I change? This is really a lot of work and I must have good reasons to do so. What for I need it: 1) as slim VM for Lazarus 2) may be in some months inflating the VM to be my operating system instead of windows. not sure today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thaddy · 2025-06-14 14:12 Quote from: Nicole on June 14, 2025, 03:08:04 pmWhat for I need it: 1) as slim VM for Lazarus 2) may be in some months inflating the VM to be my operating system instead of windows. Then use wsl2 instead of any other VM type. On Windows 10/11 it runs in HyperV not even really a VM except for storage. Although something like VirtualBox is better if you want a full emulation including BIOS, e.g. when teaching OS design, for a simple box it is easier to use wsl2. It is also faster. There are some more quirks, but wsl2 + wsl g (the graphics extensions) is usually a good option for beginners to have a dual install. (or multiple install). Summary: if you want complete isolation, use VirtualBox as VM if you do not need that and you are a beginner/intermediate, use wsl2+wsl g. The distro does not matter too much although wsl comes with quite some distro's you might like. I left quite a few things out. Ask me if you miss something. wsl can currently install these distro's out of the box: Code: Text  [Select][+][-]window.onload = function(){var x1 = document.getElementById("main_content_section"); if (x1) { var x = document.getElementsByClassName("geshi");for (var i = 0; i NAME                          FRIENDLY NAMEAlmaLinux-8                     AlmaLinux OS 8AlmaLinux-9                     AlmaLinux OS 9AlmaLinux- Kitten-10             AlmaLinux OS Kitten 10AlmaLinux-10                  AlmaLinux OS 10Debian                          Debian GNU/LinuxFedoraLinux-42                  Fedora Linux 42SUSE-Linux- Enterprise-15-SP5    SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP5SUSE-Linux- Enterprise-15-SP6    SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP6Ubuntu                        UbuntuUbuntu-24.04                    Ubuntu 24.04 LTSarchlinux                       Arch Linuxkali-linux                    Kali Linux RollingopenSUSE-Tumbleweed             openSUSE TumbleweedopenSUSE-Leap-15.6              openSUSE Leap 15.6Ubuntu-18.04                    Ubuntu 18.04 LTSUbuntu-20.04                  Ubuntu 20.04 LTSUbuntu-22.04                    Ubuntu 22.04 LTSOracleLinux_7_9                 Oracle Linux 7.9OracleLinux_8_7                 Oracle Linux 8.7OracleLinux_9_1               Oracle Linux 9.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PierceNg · 2025-06-15 00:46 WSL2 + WSLg combo has some unexpected behaviours for some widget sets. IIRC, with gtk2, items in the install/uninstall package dialog box are not clickable under WSLg, meaning the dialog box is useless. With qt5, the dialog box works, but anchor docking design package once installed and IDE rebuilt does not result in a single IDE window - Lazarus runs as if anchordockingdsgn isn't installed. Above are for Lazarus 3.x. WSL2 runs Ubuntu 22.04. Host OS is Windows 11 Home. I haven't tested Lazarus 4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2025-06-15 01:19 Quote from: Thaddy on June 14, 2025, 04:12:14 pmQuote from: Nicole on June 14, 2025, 03:08:04 pm.... 2) may be in some months inflating the VM to be my operating system instead of windows. Then use wsl2 instead of any other VM type. Not really, ws2 is Windows running Linux rather that a Linux install. If Nicole wants to evualate Linux as a prefered OS, wsl2 hides quite a lot. Nicole, your choice of a Linux distribution is a very very personal one. You can go for a cutting edge distro that has ever thing new, probably a smaller market penetration and a smaller team behind it. You get all the new stuff but must accept a few problems along the way. Or a conservative one that might do a lot more testing, has a big team, a big user base but, obviously, moves very slowly. My view is that a big team and a big user base means most problems you encounter have already been discovered by someone else and fixes are documented. So, I use Debian and I manually install those few things (like Lazarus and FPC) that I want leading edge. Benny likes PCLinux, I use it as one of my test platforms, looks great, it works well, certainly has all the new stuff. But, IMHO is a bit of a trap, its quite idiosyncratic in how it does stuff. For example, it uses (what it calls) apt to manage packages but those packages are RPMs ! (That is merging the two main package management systems.) But, frustratingly, it does only a small part of what the apt system can do. It sort of defeats one major win for Linux, how easy it is to replace your version of Linux, if you move to anything other than PCLinux and you need to learn  new package management skills. What every distro you use, please consider building your own FPC and Lazarus, its easy and a great test of a new OS. Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valdir.marcos · 2026-05-08 05:14 Quote from: Nicole on June 13, 2025, 03:18:37 pmcopyright granted! I am really long at computers. I assure you: The change to Linux is that hard, that I think over to let it. This is a pity for the Linux community. Because the idea should be, to get all those users who hate Windows 11. In Germany there is a huge technical magazine publisher who reaches ten thousands of admins, who pushes Linux and writes articles about how to change from Windows.  I was one of the readers. There are too many Linux versions around. It is like Pretty Good Privacy. A killer app, - nobody wants. Könnten Sie mir bitte den Namen der Zeitschrift oder des Verlags nennen? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valdir.marcos · 2026-05-08 05:29 Quote from: Nicole on June 14, 2025, 03:08:04 pmThank you for the link. Which version do you recommend? Why shall I change? This is really a lot of work and I must have good reasons to do so. What for I need it: 1) as slim VM for Lazarus 2) may be in some months inflating the VM to be my operating system instead of windows. not sure today. I've arrived late to the party. Almost one year later, have you chosen a Linux distro? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2026-05-11 13:40 Soon enough to learn about the results: I gave up and work on with Win 7. The magazine was c't of Heise-Verlag. heise.de My last attempt was Linux Cinnamon. I downloaded a KDE version at last, but did not try again. I was tired. Every attempt lasted that long. And I had troubles with VMWare as well. Days and days I sat messing error-messages and poorly developed software. The reason for giving up was a report, that Cinnamon should be the worst version ever. And I was tired, that there was not means showing me, which software is installed in my VM. I was tired of the ooooold and incomplete repositories, suggesting e.g. Firebird 3 at a time, when Firebird 5 was known as stable. I was tired of this searching of versions and software, which was hard do find, douzends of versions and nobody knows, what fits to which. So I stayed with Win 7 and had a bad moment when I copied my VM to a new computer and Win 7 said "I am not registered". Somehow it decided to work again. And so do I. A pity! Linus is not an alternative. I could not even do a most basic form in Lazarus. It froze with just containing a form for minutes every start. This was no fun. Is is one year ago? I stepped on long ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Carpenter · 2026-05-11 14:19 For what it's worth:  used computers are inexpensive, maybe even free sometimes.  So get one and make it a linux machine while leaving your windows system entirely alone.  That eliminates the need for VM software entirely and guarantees you won't harm your windows stuff while you play with linux and learn to use it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicole · 2026-05-11 15:44 Computers may be inexpensive, my life-time is - NOT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Carpenter · 2026-05-11 17:20 I know what you mean.  You need to have a significant motivation to trade all of your old familiar windows frustrations for a set of new, unfamiliar linux frustrations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2026-05-12 07:25 Quote from: Nicole on May 11, 2026, 03:40:22 pmMy last attempt was Linux Cinnamon. I downloaded a KDE version at last, but did not try again..... And I had troubles with VMWare as well. Guessing you mean Linux Mint with a KDE desktop ?  Mint make and champion Cinnamon but also ship a KDS desktop version. I'd recommend Cinnamon over KDE but neither are kind on resources. And you mean VirtualBox rather than VMWare ?  A full blow VMWare install is pretty resource hungry, Virtual Box (made by VMWare) less so. Trying to use VirtualBox to run Linux Mint install with KDE would require, in my opinion, at least 4Gig Ram and one or two cpus.  Linux Mint is a pretty version of Ubuntu which has itself become a resource hog. While there are some specialized Linux distros that claim to be suited to low hardware spec, I'd suggest a base Debian install using XFCE (or Mate if you want something just a little prettier). Both will run usefully in 2gig ram and just one reasonable CPU QuoteSo I stayed with Win 7 and had a bad moment when I copied my VM to a new computer and Win 7 said "I am not registered". Yes, VirtualBox likes to keep control of the VMs you have and want to use. Its a real pain and unnecessary given the way people like you and I use VirtualBox. Just keep your VMs in the one place and show them to VirtualBox before trying to start them. [/quote] Curts solution is also a good one !  Virtualization, especially on older hardware, is a resource demanding business. I use a seven year old laptop with eight CPUs (4 real + 4 fake) and 16Gig ram. I always give my VMs 4gig ram and one to two cpus depending on what its for.  And they run (Linux) perfectly. So, and old box with 4gig of ram would probably be all you need. More = better. Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valdir.marcos · 2026-05-16 10:02 Quote from: Nicole on May 11, 2026, 03:40:22 pmThe magazine was c't of Heise-Verlag. heise.de Danke schön. https://www.heise.de/select https://shop.heise.de/magazine/ct-magazin/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- marcov · 2026-05-16 10:44 Quote from: dbannon on May 12, 2026, 09:25:17 am   A full blow VMWare install is pretty resource hungry, Virtual Box (made by VMWare) less so. "VirtualBox was originally created by InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 2008, which was in turn acquired by Oracle in 2010. " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valdir.marcos · 2026-05-16 11:22 Quote from: Nicole on May 11, 2026, 03:40:22 pmSoon enough to learn about the results: I gave up and work on with Win 7. The magazine was c't of Heise-Verlag. heise.de My last attempt was Linux Cinnamon. I downloaded a KDE version at last, but did not try again. I was tired. Every attempt lasted that long. And I had troubles with VMWare as well. Days and days I sat messing error-messages and poorly developed software. The reason for giving up was a report, that Cinnamon should be the worst version ever. And I was tired, that there was not means showing me, which software is installed in my VM. I was tired of the ooooold and incomplete repositories, suggesting e.g. Firebird 3 at a time, when Firebird 5 was known as stable. I was tired of this searching of versions and software, which was hard do find, douzends of versions and nobody knows, what fits to which. So I stayed with Win 7 and had a bad moment when I copied my VM to a new computer and Win 7 said "I am not registered". Somehow it decided to work again. And so do I. A pity! Linus is not an alternative. I could not even do a most basic form in Lazarus. It froze with just containing a form for minutes every start. This was no fun. Is is one year ago? I stepped on long ago. Quote from: Nicole on May 11, 2026, 05:44:18 pmComputers may be ", my life-time is - NOT.  There are many layers. 1. An easy, quick, and expensive solution would be to hire a specialist to train you individually only in what is most important for you to become productive quickly. 2. The next easy, less quick, and less expensive solution would be to take some in-person or online Linux courses before you start using it for programming with Lazarus and Firebird. 3. A solution with medium difficulty, medium learning time, and free access would be to learn Linux for free on YouTube before you start using it for programming. 4. Finally, the least recommended solution, because it is difficult, time-consuming, and free, would be to try to learn to program in Linux without knowing anything about the Linux operating system. It seems you have chosen this path. And, as expected, you suffered, got tired of suffering, and gave up. Regarding hardware, there are also several options: 1. Two computers, new or used, both with good processing performance, memory, and ample disk space would be ideal. 2. Using a physical computer and a virtual one would require greater processing performance, more memory, and more disk space on a single computer. This solution would hardly be comfortable without a fast processor, 16GB of RAM, and an SSD. It seems you've chosen this path. 4. Have a computer with a USB 3.0 port or better and install Linux on a USB 3.0 flash drive with 128GB or more to create a dual boot. This path would allow you to easily access all your files on the Microsoft Windows 7 SSD from within Linux. It would even be worthwhile to pay a technician to prepare this flash drive for you, avoiding any risk of accidentally formatting your work SSD. 5. A point of no return. You buy a new SSD, remove the old one to be just an external backup. Install Linux on your computer without looking back. A new life from then on, with all its joys and sorrows. And lastly, there are countless Linux distributions to choose from. Coming from Microsoft Windows 7, as a suggestion, you could try Zorin OS 18.3 based on Ubuntu 24.04 and Debian 13: Zorin OS vs Windows 11: The Upgrade Microsoft Doesn’t Want You to See by Thomas Cherickal April 22nd, 2026 https://hackernoon.com/zorin-os-vs-windows-11-the-upgrade-microsoft- doesnt-want-you-to-see 25:34 18 Reasons Zorin OS 18 is the PERFECT Windows 10 Replacement (FREE, Faster & Runs Windows Apps!) 21-Oct-2025 Linux Tex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SXUuPgw4JY 19:54 Zorin OS Review – The BEST Linux Switch from Windows - YouTube 16-Oct-2025 SavvyNik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-JXsp0Vtw 19:09 Is Zorin OS the Best Windows Replacement? 18-Dec-2025 Michael MJD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_eLoAlS9I ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LeP · 2026-05-16 13:41 @valdir.marcos I know and understand what was the experience of Nicole. Near two years ago I will try to move my works on Linux ... it ws a disaster. On new PC two desktop with I9-14900K and two notebook I9-14900HX Linux (I tried Ubuntu and Mint ... don't remember what versions) nothing worked. Desktop PC were assembled by me, and Linux was installed in real machine alone, UEFI disabled. Same in notebooks, after changed the orginal manufactored SSD. Bluethoot mouse was not recognized, graphic cards sometimes worked, somtimes don't. The i9 processors never worked well, hardware ITD support in Linux was not operational at that time. The same touch screen monitor (HDPI) didn't work well (instead of 10 touch points may be no more than two worked ... and also the resolution and some Linux software was not working well with lot of issues). I worked at that time with X11 and Wayland to test. I don't remmeber if Linux was under systemd or old init. All PC were with 32 GB of RAM. Come with Lazarus: installed from repository (apt)  the versions was 1.6 (  :'( ) and 2.0.6 ... at that time there were 3.2 stable release  (if I remember right).  I created a copy of official repo (SF) and a bash script to install 3.2 version. Naturally, I abandoned the experiment and shelved the matter. Never tried Linux in a real machine anymore. In Windows NEVER and NEVER had issues like those ... I repeat NEVER in my life. So, I understand Nicole. My experience is unique, may be yes and sure is not to take as example. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- valdir.marcos · 2026-05-17 01:27 Quote from: LeP on May 16, 2026, 03:41:19 pm@valdir.marcos I know and understand what was the experience of Nicole. Near two years ago I will try to move my works on Linux ... it ws a disaster. On new PC two desktop with I9-14900K and two notebook I9-14900HX Linux (I tried Ubuntu and Mint ... don't remember what versions) nothing worked. Desktop PC were assembled by me, and Linux was installed in real machine alone, UEFI disabled. Same in notebooks, after changed the orginal manufactored SSD. Bluethoot mouse was not recognized, graphic cards sometimes worked, somtimes don't. The i9 processors never worked well, hardware ITD support in Linux was not operational at that time. The same touch screen monitor (HDPI) didn't work well (instead of 10 touch points may be no more than two worked ... and also the resolution and some Linux software was not working well with lot of issues). I worked at that time with X11 and Wayland to test. I don't remmeber if Linux was under systemd or old init. All PC were with 32 GB of RAM. Come with Lazarus: installed from repository (apt)  the versions was 1.6 (  :'( ) and 2.0.6 ... at that time there were 3.2 stable release  (if I remember right).  I created a copy of official repo (SF) and a bash script to install 3.2 version. Naturally, I abandoned the experiment and shelved the matter. Never tried Linux in a real machine anymore. In Windows NEVER and NEVER had issues like those ... I repeat NEVER in my life. So, I understand Nicole. My experience is unique, may be yes and sure is not to take as example. I understand your situation and Nicole's. And I respect both of your choices. It's unlikely that on the first day you turned on a computer, or used Microsoft Windows, or used Microsoft Office, or used any database or any programming language without attending any school or course, you managed easily without experiencing any difficulties. Even if you don't remember now that many years have passed, there were indeed difficulties and a learning curve. The same applies to Linux or any other professional change you might want to make. Using Microsoft Windows seems easy because you've been doing it for many years, every day. After many years of using Linux, you'll also have that feeling of ease and belonging. This applies to everything in life. Ease, time, and money are intertwined variables. Every change has a natural learning curve, which may require effort, time, and money. Learn to walk before you want to run. Although I try to help within my limits, choices and consequences are always individual. My suggestion remains: - Learn to walk before you want to run; - If you're not in a hurry, it's cheap; - If you invest money, it's fast; - You decide on your effort, time, and money: there's no such thing as a free lunch; - Always remember the learning curve: be patient and persevering; - Take some courses on Linux, whether paid or free. YouTube videos are also fine; - Remember that it takes time, study, and practice to learn something new; - Prepare some hardware (virtual machine, or USB drive, or new or used computer). - Choose a few Linux distributions to test. This is like dating before marriage; - After testing, choose a Linux distribution to call your own. This is like a marriage, including joys and sorrows, with the risk and possibility of divorce and remarriage too ; - Regarding Firebird on Linux, there is a lot of help both in the Firebird groups themselves and here in this forum; - Regarding TurboBird or FlameRobin on Linux, there is help both in the Firebird groups themselves and here in this forum; - Regarding Free Pascal and Lazarus on Linux, there is a lot of help here in this forum; - In the end, you decide the pace of effort needed to achieve your goal. Don't get discouraged. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Carpenter · 2026-05-17 01:59 An ancient Greek proverb:  learning is like chewing stones. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2026-05-17 04:30 Quote from: valdir.marcos on May 17, 2026, 03:27:15 amIt's unlikely that on the first day you turned on a computer, or used Microsoft Windows, or used Microsoft Office, or used any database or any programming language without attending any school or course, you managed easily without experiencing any difficulties. Even if you don't remember now that many years have passed, there were indeed difficulties and a learning curve. The same applies to Linux or any other professional change you might want to make. Using Microsoft Windows seems easy because you've been doing it for many years, every day. After many years of using Linux, you'll also have that feeling of ease and belonging. This applies to everything in life. That really is such an accurate, meaningful and sensible statement. For the record, I am a long term Linux user, and before that a Unix user, things were simpler then and there was a lot less to learn. Then I learnt as new stuff appeared. It was easy for me. But now, when I have to boot into windows or use my Mac Mini to test my app on those platforms, you should hear me complain, nothing works as it should ....   Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LeP · 2026-05-17 07:02 All you all rights. But, I used and use Linux in a VM (Ubuntu) since decades, without major issues ... And I was in the last era a Unix systems administrator. When the hardware doesn't work 'cause technology is too new for Linux or because it was never implemented ... nothing to do for you. May be other distro were working better, but one cannot try dozens of distributions to find the right one. This is true expecially when your efforts are tied to a professional activity, where you can't afford to make mistakes. You can't deliver something and be unsure whether it works or not. And Lazarus distro that were installed with "apt" were ancient .... Since Delphi is able to create app for Linux, Android and Mac (I don't do nothing for IOS, too resources involved) I have these in some VM and for some apps I create client front-end that works in each of these and never had lot of issues. So there is no issues using those OS, is the technology supported by them, and how can one solve the problem. In Windows, everything is relatively simpler, and even support for new technologies is easily solved. That is 'cause some of you told, one know Windows very well using it every day, but it's no only for that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- dbannon · 2026-05-18 05:19 Quote from: LeP on May 17, 2026, 09:02:05 am... And Lazarus distro that were installed with "apt" were ancient .... Well, not sure I agree. When it comes to support for new hardware, its almost always a kernel issue. Now, if you use something like Linux Mint, you have to understand its based on the LTS Ubuntu released every two years. And Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. So, yes, you could be running something with a 2.5 year old kernel, probably not, but could. But, as an "apt" user, you could also be running on Debian Unstable, 'forky' with the newest available everything. I use it sometimes, is remarkably well tested and very well supported. There are too many distro around for anyone to know, reliably, all their release policies. Many smaller distros are quite "informal" in that respect. They may look good and have great web pages but are perhaps not the best choice for a new user with new hardware. People like Intel regard getting their new product supported in the Linux kernel is very much part of the launch process. Davo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mdalacu · 2026-05-18 10:45 Or a Kubuntu LTS with HWE kernel