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Subj : Re: Cage Blooper
To   : alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From : Graeme
Date : Sat Sep 17 2005 20:00:22

From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos

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Because after Pike was kidnapped by the Talosians, Number One, Spock
and
Jose had a debriefing in the Briefing Room.  And presumably as part of
that debriefing, Spock and Jose told Number One about everything that
had taken place on the planet's surface, including the existence of
Vina
and what she looked like.
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Yes, but remember Pike was surprised to see the same girl a second
time.  There's no reason for Number One to assume this girl is the same
as the one in the survivor's camp same.  And even if she did assume it,
there's no reason to believe that that person was the adult Vina who
served on the whatchamacallit (they never did give that ship a name).
If she really was born as they crashed, and was the daughter of Crewman
Vina, she might have the same name.  Or more likely it isn't a real
person at all, just an illusion.  Number One had no reason to think
what she was saying was true.

At least not until the Talosians killfiled her.  That was evidence that
she was on the right track.


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No, you're not remembering the scene correctly.

Vina changed her mind at that point and decided to accept death too,
rather than continue to act as a lure for more Earthmen to be
kidnapped.
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Yes, I remember that, but it doesn't change the fact that she was able
to live in captivity for 18 years.  Obviously therefore, it's possible
for humans to live that way.

And that scene is very interesting.  Remember how they try to blow the
lid off human hubris early on. "They had us seeing just what we wanted
to see.  Humans who had survived with dignity and bravery, et
cetera..."  But at the end, they give in to that same kind of hubris.
The episode showed us just what we wanted to see.  Bold,
individualistic humans who couldn't be tamed, no matter what the odds.
Of course if you know human history, you know that ain't quite true.
Most every civilization in history has had slavery at some point, and
for some it lasted for thousands of years.

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