7/11/94 6:30:03 PM Opening ÒChat Log 7/11/94Ó for recording. AFL Don : Hello, Tim! LTNS! Tim : Hi y'all Tim : Sure is Don. AFL Don : ...slow start here tonight... Tim : Hi Walt Cuddly1 : :) AFA Fixit : Hi Tim AFL Don : Wonder if anyone missed us on the fourth of July hiatus.. AFL Don : Just as I predicted, got bumped again! AFL Don : ...been trying to find a problem with my Quickie today... AFL Don : For some reason or other, returns don't terminate scans when I'm running from GS/OS 6.0.1, but do if I boot the floppy disk... Funny, because it used to work ok! I've been having a lot of fun fooling with clip art on the PowerBook, scanning things on the GS... AFL Don : But it's a pain when I have the problem I've run into... AFL Don : I see I scheduled Servicing Intermittent Problems for tonight... Got any pet hints, Walt? AFL Don : Fortunately, the Quickie problem isn't intermittent, so I should be able to run it down without a big problem... ...famous last words AFL Don (Comment added later: The Quickie problem goes away if I perform a shift boot) AFA Fixit : If it works with 6.0.1 from floppy, the problem is obviously in your system folder AFA Fixit : You weren't here the week before last. AFL Don : That's what I thought, Walt, except that the floppy isn't GS/OS 6.0.1... and, I just reinstalled GS/OS... AFA Fixit : Did you create a totally new System Folder. AFL Don : No, week before last I was in Tillamook, OR with no dialtone. Yeah, I did all the right things, reinstalling. Guess I'd better do 'em again. AFL Don : Come to think about it, other things have quit. My grandson lives on 2GS these days, 't get Battle Chess to work, and it used to last time I checked. AFL Don : Did your repair to your mother's VCR hold up? AFA Fixit : Naw, the rubber band broke last week. AFL Don : ...I don't know what they put in the real drive belts, but they're usually durable... AFL Don : I've repaired two subminiature tape recorders in the last few weeks, broken belts... AFL Don : Kills me to pay $3.50 plus S&H for a rubber band, but it sure beats changing 'em out monthly... AFA Fixit : As for intermittent problems... Reseat everything and wait. AFL Don : Right! AFL Don : That finishes the topic for tonight! AFA Fixit : Rubber bands are the cheapest form of rubber on the planet X AFL Don : ...BTW, did you hear that a memory module failed on the Hubble Space Telescope? AFL Don : They have a spare main computer that's now the only game in town... : The cheapest drive belts are vulcanized at least. AFL Don : Speaking of computers, which we weren't, I'm really running out of HD space on my PowerBook... AFA Fixit : Didn't hear about the Hubble, but I don't have time for TV, Radio or newspapers. AFL Don : Gotta do something desperate... Like maybe use my TMS Shadow on the PowerBook for non-essential files AFL Don : ...there's a nifty area here on AO, in the Astronomy section, that has a good summary of AFL Don : what's going on... AFA Fixit : That's about the size of it. You already using compression software? AFL Don : Radio, TV, Newspapers have all been O.D.ing on O.J. AFL Don : Yeah, I have Aladdin SpaceSaver going... AFL Don : Trouble is, a lot of the stuff on the drive can't be squashed... AFL Don : ...so SpaceSaver only gives me 3 or 4 megabytes... xit : Then there's little to do but add or replace. AFL Don : ...I know, I know... 40 megs is not much drive on the mac... AFL Don : ....the programs are all space eaters. I can't believe how big some of 'em are. AFA Fixit : They are a lot smaller if you perform a custom install. AFL Don : ...on the 2GS monitor front, I've got another problem brewing, unrelated to the peaking coil deal... I notice that it's flickering... Mechanical intermittent. A good rap on the side and it quits for a while... That one's going to be tricky, I think, 'cause as soon as I get it out of the case it'll behave itself... AFL Don : All three colors track when the brightness twitches, so it shouldn't be too hard to zero in the general area... AFA Fixit : My monochrome monitor has been doing that for about a year now. Fixit : HT AFL Don : ....famous last words again AFL Don : I bought a PSI monitor years ago that did that out of the box. Just a bad solder joint. AFL Don : That's probably what this problem (the new problem) is... WaltRoshon : Just a problem of finding the bad solder right?? AFL Don : Problem is, I looked over all the pc boards when I first ran into the green-screen problem, and all looked pretty good. Tim : Back AFL Don : Yes, just a case of hitting the right joint. Problem is, a joint can be bad, look good sometimes AFA Fixit : I didn't know PSI did monitors WaltRoshon : That could be a problem :/ AFL Don : Years ago... This one was pretty-good monitor, with 24-MHz bandwidth. Bought it when I was programming 17 hours/day for the college, wanted an amber monitor. I still use it up I run up there... AFL Don : Only problem, the Apple 2 won't fill the screen on it because of the black border Woz put in the Apple 2 so it'd be usable on a tv set. I tried all the old tricks such as putting a cap across the width coil, trying to squeeze more horizontal sweep out of it, but nothing helped enough. It sure gives a sharp picture, though, very easy on the eyes... WaltRoshon : bbnw... see ya'll later AFL Don : See ya Kate! Always nice to have you drop by! AFL Don : ...I didn't have to try your rubber cement solution, pulled the door hinges off, cleaned the WD-40 away with Trichloroethane, my wife is happy again... And no squeaky hinges yet... AFA Fixit : So now you have no lube at all. AFC Marvin : Good evening, Don & Walt. I must have missed all the activity. AFL Don : Hello, Marvin! We were just getting ready to wrap it up... AFC Marvin : Been a quiet night? I just got home from work after a busy day. Lot's of meetings today AFC Marvin : as we are in the process of trying to purchase another FM station. AFL Don : Best part of retirement is no meetings... AFL Don : Oh, really? That sounds like a lot more work for you! AFL Don : Same market? AFC Marvin : I am beginning to appreciate the no meeting retirement idea. AFA Fixit : I've got lots of meetings since moving to product support. AFC Marvin : Boy, I bet you do Walt. AFL Don : All the meetings I've sat through could be summarized in one breath... AFC Marvin : Yes, it will be more work for sure during the process of moving another station in our facility. AFA Fixit : Meetings, reports, conference calls... he most time is spent on the least significant topics... AFA Fixit : Retirement's too far off to think of. AFC Marvin : Hard for me to believe that my normal retirement year is 2000 and that is not far off. AFL Don : It'll be here before you know it... AFL Don : ...tain't so bad, though... AFC Marvin : Hope I am ready when the time comes. AFA Fixit : 2025 here. Just a up. AFL Don : Kinda nice being able to do what you want, when you want to do it... AFL Don : ...well, I'll be 95 when you retire, Walt... AFA Fixit : My father-in-law has to retire the end of this year. I don't think he's ready... AFC Marvin : Why does he have to retire? AFA Fixit : I'll probably feel like I'm 95 when I do. AFA Fixit : Corporate charter rules. AFC Marvin : As far as I know retirement at age 65 is normally not mandatory. AFL Don : ..that'd be a bummer. Nice to do it the way irement work for a few years... AFA Fixit : He can stay on as Chairman of the Board until he's 70. Executive officers have to step down at 65. AFC Marvin : Interesting how they set up that charter. AFA Fixit : Makes room for the "young turks" AFL Don : I thought those kinds of arrangements were against public policy now... AFC Marvin : I just noticed that I received a Mac program for the American Dictionary with quotes. I thought that AFA Fixit : The charter was written over 20 years ago. AFC Marvin : would be a good addition to the Mac. Also I am tempted to spend $200 for a double speed CDRom drive AFL Don : Hello, Bruce! AFC Marvin : for the PowerBook that I saw advertised over the weekend. AFC Marvin : Hello Bruce. AFL Don : Welcome to the aftermath of the Apple Hardware Forum Chat... BruceWeb : how you doing? out there? AFL Don : Only problem, most CD roms are heavily graphics dependent, and our PBs are not too swift with AFL Don : graphics... AFL Don : Sure thing, Bruce, lotta Apple 2 users still. AFL Don : It's as good a computer as ever... AFL Don : What are you using? AFC Marvin : I realize that Don but figured there are a lot of CD's that will be useful. Such as a CD that is a AFC Marvin : great map of the USA that one of the fellows at work has. BruceWeb : I run a whole management business with my IIE (unenhanced), but I'm thinking about stepping BruceWeb : up to PC or a MAC AFC Marvin : Yes, Bruce I am still using my good old IIGS. AFL Don : I do all my grading spreadsheets with AppleWorks, nothing else can touch it for speed... BruceWeb : I still do everything with Applewks and quicken (original for IIE. vin : I also use Appleworks and wish I had the ability to use it on my PowerBook 170. AFA Fixit : Or ease of use. All the PC and Mac spreadsheets I've used are unnecessarily obtuse AFL Don : Quicken's pretty good on the Mac (very good, actually), but the text-based spreadsheets are way ahead of the graphics-based versions used on the Mac, in my opinion... BruceWeb : I agree about spreadsheets. Ever try Excel? AFA Fixit : A royal pain. Don't know why anyone thought it was a good idea to make you put an "=" at the beginning of a formula. Always thought Appleworks interpreting strings starting with numbers as formulas to make the most sense. AFL Don : I've got so many routines in boilerplate that I can't afford the time to switch from AppleWorks... AFL Don : I've done some ClarisWorks spreadsheet work, requirements are manageable... BruceWeb : My only real complaint about my Apple is the speed, but I don't know if it's worth $ for accelerator chip. AFL Don : You should be able to pick up a used TransWarp for the //e for a song... AFL Don : How are you able to run AppleWorks on an unenhanced //e? AFA Fixit : Could make you a great deal on a 4-MHz Zip chip ;) AFA Fixit : You get @ for mousetext. BruceWeb : I use AW 3.0 and it works fine. AFL Don : Strange... Thought it wasn't supposed to work at all.. AFL Don : Been a long time since I've even seen an unenhanced //e... AFA Fixit : Only thing that Appleworks uses of an enhanced //e is mousetext. BruceWeb : Shows you how long I've been using AW. I started on V. 1.3. AFL Don : Well, that should work then... AFA Fixit : Started with 1.1.1 here. AFL Don : I used 1.0 for a while... is still the best all purpose program available anywhere!!!! AFL Don : Agreed. I like ClarisWorks, a lot, though. Although I'm not too high on the database, and prefer the AFL Don : AppleWorks spreadsheet... AFA Fixit : My mother still uses Appleworks for everything. XWu : hello BruceWeb : My school has about 110 PCs and we still use 30 Apple IIE and GSs AFA Fixit : Hi XWu AFL Don : Hello, XWu! Welcome to what's left of the Apple Hardware Forum Chat! AFL Don : Teacher, Bruce? XWu : was there a lot of people here earlier? BruceWeb : Hey XWu, how's it going? XWu : fine, thanks for asking.. AFC Marvin : Hello XWU and Hi Frank. AFL Don : Not tonight, XWu... Very sparse tonight, although sometimes we have a good turnout... BruceWeb : I teach and do a few other jobs. Don't most teachers? AFL Don : Hi Frank! BCS Frank : Hi Marvin, Don, y'all! :) : is there anything to talk about??? AFA Fixit : Well, I have to get to bed. Overslept this morning and had to make a conference call from home. BCS Frank : Right... that's how teachers get rich. :) AFL Don : right, Bruce... (Retired teacher here, still teaching on a post-retirement contract, though.) AFL Don : Do you have any Apple 2 problems, XWu? We can talk about those! AFA Fixit : Night all BruceWeb : Rich and teachers? I don't think so.... AFL Don : Well, GNITE Walt, CUL... AFC Marvin : Good Night Walt. XWu : Actually, I don't,.... My gs has been running superbly(sp?).... BruceWeb : GNITE Walt AFL Don : Great! Well, you know where to come for help if you have problems! XWu : I'll make sure I take offer when I do have a problem.... BruceWeb : Well folks, it's been real. I'm glad to know this is here. I'll be sure to come back. Nite! XWu : actually does anyone now what system error $201 is? AFC Marvin : Good Night Bruce. AFL Don : ...I've seen it a lot, but can't remember... I'm not on my 2GS right now, so don't have access to AFL Don : my error list... XWu : what are you on? AFL Don : PowerBook 170... Can't bring my 2GS into the living room, the 2GS is in use right now... AFL Don : Grandkids visiting, play games 20 hours a day on my 2GS! XWu : do you have any other computers? AFL Don : Nope... XWu : grandkids!! how old are you... if you don't mind me asking? AFL Don : 64 BCS Frank : Good grief! Even older than moi! :) XWu : wow! and what do you do again? AFL Don : I'm a retired college professor... AFL Don : ...still teach each Spring on post retirement, for a couple of years more, or until I get tired of it.. .. god I feel like I'm play 20 questions... AFL Don : College of San Mateo... XWu : Where are you located, I'm not familiar with