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From: oz@ursa.ccs.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: copyright status and future development of comp.archives
In-Reply-To: brendan@cs.widener.edu's message of 24 Jun 91 13: 19:29 GMT
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1991 18:03:43 GMT


brendan@cs.widener.edu (Brendan Kehoe) writes:
 
   >I could be wrong, but since the comp.archives service can be
   >re-created without any copyrights, it really does not matter.

   I would wager that trying to re-create it would be far from trivial.

I did not say it would be trivial, but that it can be done. There are
a lot of individuals on USENET that do non-trivial things for the public
good, and this is just one of those things.

   Similar issues have come up before (rec.humor.funny, comp.compilers,
   etc) but they've been worked out, too.

Ah, they have? Here is what comp.compilers moderator has to say about
this issue:

| Unless there is specific language to the contrary, each message represents
| only the personal opinion of its author.  I claim no compilation copyright
| on comp.compilers.  As far as I am concerned, anyone can reproduce any
| message for any purpose.  Individual authors may retain rights to their
| messages, although I will not knowingly post anything that does not permit
| at least unlimited non-commercial distribution.  If you find comp.compilers
| useful in writing a book, producing a product, etc., I would appreciate an
| acknowledgement of usenet and comp.compilers.

Here is the tail end of an article from rec.humor.funny. I don't see
any copyrights there. 

| Edited by Brad Templeton.  MAIL your jokes (jokes ONLY) to funny@looking.ON.CA
|
| Please!  No copyrighted stuff.  Also no "mouse balls," dyslexic agnostics,
| Iraqi driver's ed, Administratium, strings in bar or bell-ringer jokes.

Yes, I am well aware that both of these moderators have published
their compilations, and have claimed copyright as they should, but
that is not what Edward is talking about, if I understood him
correctly.

  				... The actual information itself
   isn't copyrighted; rather, the way it's presented, stored, and
   accessed is covered (similar to a compilation copyright on a CD full
   of periodicals).

Are you talking about the contents of the newsgroup as it arrives to
my machine, and is "stored" and "accessed" there?

oz
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