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From: genius@cs.mcgill.ca (Michel NGUYEN)
Subject: Re: Amiga basher
Message-ID: <1991Jun13.065150.3529@cs.mcgill.ca>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 06:51:50 GMT


>I'm getting a bit tired of all these ATTEMPT to crush the Amiga, 
>to make it cower before the "superior" Mac OS and the "incredible" 
>IBM graphics. A few points:
 
>1) Most people who bash Amigas just plain don't know what they're talking about
>   They've maybe seen an Amiga, but just arne't familiar with how powerful they
>   are.

Obviously, you are not familiar (or should I say "you know nothing")
about the other systems either. Get some info before. Open your mind AND
your eyes. 

>2) Amigas make IBMs look like toys and Macs look like 1mhz machines. No other 
>   microcomputer operating system multitasks as well as AmigaDOS. NONE. Other
>   system just don't have the hardware support for it - they spend 3/4s the 
>   machine time processing graphics and i/o. Amigas can handle HUGE amounts of
>   using VERY little system time.

As I said to someone else on the net already, Amiga WAS the best computer
around you could buy when it was launched. Now the other systems (Mac,
NeXT, PeeCee) are catching up (and real fast). What makes the Amiga so great
is the software, not the hardware (at least not anymore) (about the hardware
topic, I know it would be long/boring/flaming to go over it again, so let's
drop it or drop dead).
Do you know why "they" spend 3/4s of the CPU for graphics and I/O and the 
Amiga's don't? Remove the graphics/sound/bus/... coprocessors from the Amiga
and let's see how it's going to behave this time. Or add the appropriate
coprocessors to the other ones (system) and compare.
About multitasking, I want to know what you are using multitasking for??
Do you use it a lot?? I know I could not live without multitasking, but
very often (when I do serious work), I want my computations to take 
exactly 20 minutes and not 30-40 minutes because I am playing some
chess or tetris games in another window. (don't tell me that there is
no difference, context swithing and games/modem take CPU times). And can
the Amiga multitasks "Dungeon Master" and "Blazemonger" and a WP????

>3) The Amiga starting out as a video (game) machine, yes it did. Fine. It still
>   has much better integration of graphics and MUCH better animation abilities

As I said, go look around. Check out the softwares and hardwares of the other
systems (especially the Mac and PeeCee) NOW on the market. You will 
be surprised. And what is/are your criterion/a to say one graphic system 
is better than the other ?? The Amiga community is better to get moving and
get out now from their hibernation state if they want to keep their domination
in the multimedia field. Waiting until july would be too late.

>   than any other micro. Amigas are beaten not by these joke Mac and IBM single
>   processor non-multitasking throwbacks, but rather by much more expensive woe
>   processor SLOW monsters, but rather by much more expensive minicomputer
>   workstations. Why are many universities chosing the Amiga 3000 as their
>   primary UNIX system for students? Because it's a video game machine with
>   low quality video? Because it's slow compared to IBMs and Macs running UNIX?
>   I DON'T THINK SO. 

Where are your facts?? How many universities?? Here at McGill, they (the 
system staffs) were planning to replace the old dumb ASCII terminals by 
either the Amiga or the NeXTstation. They chose the NeXTstations. 
I support that decision. We are using those machines (about 40) for 6 months
now.

>
>I could go on and on and on. So, in summary, Amiga bashers just aren't familiar
>

Please go on. I want to know how far you can get.
You are just like some of the Mac/NeXT/PeeCee users: 
    ignorant (not stupid) and narrow minded.

>--
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>  \\ //    Where the REAL power is.    |   From the desk of Michael Chapman
>   \X/     IBM, Mac, get REAL!         |

Don't get me wrong here, I like the Amiga (esp. for games), and I know 
its potentials and capabilities, and so the potentials and capabilities 
of the other systems.

No flames intended, although I realize that responding to the article is a
declaration of war by itself. So... Lt. Worf, shields up, and prepare the
phasers.



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