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From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
Subject: Re: Lets sum up! (was: Apple II BBS discussion)
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In Article <1991Jun2.151552.9445@clark.edu> appolo@pro-hindugods.cts.com
(Amrit Chauhan) writes: 

>        YOU GET ALL THE PROLINE UPDATES OVER THE PHONE LINES, VIA MODEMS, FOR
>ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY EXECPT WHAT THE PHONE CALL COSTS YOU!

Well tell us something we /don't/ know.

I'm getting REALLY sick of this Proline is *IT* deal. PROLINE IS *NOT* god.
For YEARS I had never even heard of Proline. When I first called
a proline system, I was NOT impressed. Why?

Because: 

1) The interface is /not/ that user friendly.
2) If you don't know unix, you get stuck using PLUSH. That sucks. Most people
   (not me) don't know unix, and get stuck using it.
3) No Protocols. Ok, Proline has since received some, and will receive
   others in the future, I'll admit it.
4) The file transfering system on standard Proline boards stinks. Maybe
   the author of Supertac should be contacted about this! :)

   Supertac for Acos was awesome.... and where it didn't fit a need, most
   sysops used some its code/ideas/protocols for their own file transfer
   segs. Look at Exodus.... its GOT to be the best filetransfering system yet.

5) Proline's networking.... isn't unusual. The ONLY aspect of it that amazed
   me was usenet feed grabbing. I don't know of an Acos based system that
   can do it. I have seen Macos boards do it. Metal can too.
6) Metal & Proline get free-updates.
7) Acos & Metal boards ARE user friendly. Each board is different in some
   way than another. Some have total Proterm Special Effects/Animation,
   some have ANSI emulation. Most are customized.
8) When I helped a sysop write things for Proline, it was a HASSLE. I thanked
   god when the sysop purchased MD-BASIC. Changing your Proline system w/o
   MD-BASIC is hell.

In Article <1991Jun2.214618.13193@clark.edu> geniusman@pro-hindugods.cts.com
(Chris Moylan) writes:

|It is NOT based on AppleSoft Basic entirely.  It has AmperWorks and
|ModemWorks to give it commands AppleSoft could NEVER have otherwise.  As
|for ACOS, what the HELL is it?  If I bought a BBS, I'd buy one based on a
|language I already know.  I also think the GBBS compiler is no better than

 Do you know BASIC? Then you practically know Acos.
 So I take it that you already knew Proline's ways of doing things, and had
 to learn nothing... and you didn't have to learn &**** commands either.  NOT.

|BTW - I know a few BBS sysops who have dropped GBBS for ProLine, don't
|underestimate AppleSoft basic's flexbility. Have you ever written a ProLine
|application?  I have.

 Applesoft basic's flexibility? Ha... that's like saying a cement block
 is flexible!!


I think some of you who have used Proline, but have not had the "Acos
Experience" should really keep quiet. When I first started reading this
feed, a LOT of the posters swore that Proline was the only Apple II bbs
program out. Wake up and smell the coffee. Acos & Metal are MUCH easier
to modify, and they ARE THE MOST USED BBS PROGRAMS. Period. Proline has no
such hold on the Apple II bbs world, and never will.

There are EASILY 3 or 4 times as many Acos/Macos boards out there than Proline.
It is very much easier to start a new Acos/Metal board than it is Proline.
Think not? TRY IT.


>Ok...to whoever first asked for a good BBS...as the President says:

>"GBBS.......BAD, it's BAD...ProLine...GOOD...seven points of light..."

How about Acos...... Bugs,
          Proline... slow and hard to Modify,
          Metal..... everything a Acos/Macos/Proline sysop ever wanted.


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>==============================================================================

|Chris Moylan                    | ProLine: geniusman@pro-hindugods
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|313/644-0481                    | UUCP: crash!pro-hindugods!geniusman
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 Shane  szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -or- al460@cleveland.freenet.edu
