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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: 486 clone vs. Amiga 3000
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Date: Sun, 12 May 1991 23:54:12 GMT

In article <1991May12.211848.7252@athena.mit.edu> reynaldo@athena.mit.edu (Rey Villarreal) writes:
>Ok I have owned an amiga 500 for three years it is really dear
>to my heart . I am now upgrading. When I bought my Amiga 500 I did
>so over buying a 286. I did because the Amiga outperformed a 286
>graphics wise and speed wise. That was then this is now. SOmeone please
>find a way to convince me to buy a 3000. Here are some rough stats as I
>see them.
>
>Microprocessor                    Intel486             Motorolla 68030
>Clock Speed                         25 Mhz                25Mhz
>Memory                               4/32                 2/16 Meg

                                                           5/18

>Hard Drive                          100 Meg              50 Meg

                                                         100

>Max Resolution/Colors           1024x768x254            640x480x16        

                                                         732

>on 14 inch Multisync
>no flicker
>case                               Tower                 add $1000 for tower
>                                                         and descent amount
>                                                         of slots(A3000T)

	The A3000 comes with FIVE slots, up to 18MB on the
motherboard, built-in SCSI, built-in flicker-fixer and 3 3.5"
drive bays. That should cover most people's needs. If that isn't
good enough you CAN get an A2500 or wait for the A3000T. And
don't assume pricing, the $1K is probably the list price
increase.

>Software Library                  Enormous               Small by comparison

	Not with a bridge board. It all depends on what you need.
Do you want 3-D modeling? Seems to me the reverse it true. Do you
want spreadsheets? You're absolutely right.

>OS                                3 crappy chices          Best on Micro
>Competition in Market            Ocean of Barracuda       couple of sharks
>driving prices down
>Sound                             add $175 board 11 voices   good 4 voices 

	Number of voices isn't very important, since if you
digitize sound you only need 1, 2 for stereo. Also, since the
Amiga has built-in sound there is MUCH better support for it.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Price(aka God)                     $2999                    ~3100 educational      
>Noe Prices include NEC 3D multisync:Note to Amiga 3000 buyers dont
>bother with Commodores monitor I hear it is crappy. Sorry Dave but
>cant trust company that got rid of 1080(A very nice monitor) for
>1084(snap!crackle!pop)
>
>Please somebody explain why I would buy an amiga unless I want to 
>make presentations to my marketing group(I am an engineer(almost] who cares]
>
>Just by numbers it seems as though the 3000 gets thrashed unless you are
>doing video work. But even here the IBM will catch up soon. Windows is
>memory and processor hungry but who cares with these prices. 
>It seems Commodore has some real work to do. I could be wrong
>I am a novice. If so don't flame be calm and educate me 
>The price on the 486 is correct by the way, no flaming on that.
>
>Being a present day Amiga owner I know the flames I am going to get.
>
>Hmmm where is that asbestos suit anyway......
>
>
>----Rey(toast) Villarreal


	Well, that $3,100 pricing isn't accurate for the 5MB
model, which is what I added. That is $3,421, plus about $550 for
the NEC 3D and you've got $1K more than the IBM.
	It all depends on what you want to do with the computer.
If you are hooking up to a network and need X windows and
Ethernet, like an engineer might, then the Amiga is a GREAT
choice. You don't need Unix, you can do it under AmigaDOS.
	As an engineer you might also want Unix, in which case
$4K gets the same Amiga with Unix, plus $489 for the A2024 1Kx800
4 grey scale monitor and you've got $4.5K for a complete Unix
system.
	So, what programs do you want to run? BTW, what make of
486 is that? IBM, Compaq or Taiwan Special?
	-- Ethan

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