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From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: ASIC Prototype
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In <m0jXFPr-00007pC@jartel.info.com> whitewolf@gnh-starport.cts.com (Tae Song) writes:
[Andy Nicholas (shrinkit@apple.com) writes:]
>|>Pardon, but I have been around for the last 2 years listening to Tony Fadell
>|>tell the world of his 'super-816,' and quite frankly I don't believe him any
>|>more.
>|>I would dearly like to be proven wrong, but I don't see that happening.
[and Derek Taubert (dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:]
>|Well, let me be the second to tell you that it is here.  It's just running
>|as a 2.8 MHz chip in the cpu right now (in Jawaid's machine).  Soon, however,
>|if I can ever get jawaid to give it up, it will be zipping along in my
>|Transwarp, and we'll probably not be able to tell you how it did until
>|Tony says so.
>Uh-huh, right... it's running 2.8Mhz... in one GS, and then your going to get
>it back and try putting it in a TWGS.. I hope you know there's a large hole in
>you story... the GS uses a 40 pin DIP packaged CPU... TWGS/ZIP use a 44-pin
>package. I suppose that's not surprising, considering it's made out of rubber
>and it can change shapes... and bounce no less.

Tae, you should really think twice before putting your foot in your mouth like
that.  Ridiculing the existance of an _existing_ chip in a national forum could
really make you look truly, brutally, stupid.
    Ever hear of socket adaptors?  The chip is of the Zip/Transwarp style
(I'm not sure of pinouts since I'm not that deep into it -- ask
bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu if you're really interested) and it sits in a daughterboard
now which plugs into the GS-style socket.

>Andy isn't the only one who doesn't beleive in this super-816... I'll even
>smack a person who mentions 65832 to me... I'm sure it's not impossible to
>design a 816 to run faster than 13Mhz, but after what almost 2 years maybe...
>it isn't available.. maybe it should be in the Inquirer... Elvis sited using a
>250Mhz GS, Big Footsited as inventor, Lockness Monster saids they ('816) needs
>salt, but there nice and cruchy...

You have no evidence that the chip doesn't exist; you have possibly suspect
evidence (but from reputable sources) that the chip exists in three eyewitness
reports.  You have also heard discussion of just such a chip in the past.  In
the face of that, the above humor is lost and makes you look that much more
foolish.

>OK, maybe it does exist and you guys do have it... but til I see it... I don't
>give $#$% about it...or seeing anymore rumors, other than if it;s straign from
>the horse mouth, and they're ready to start shipping.

The manufacturers of the chip are hardly obligated to give you status reports
on their progress.  If you want to continue with the delusion that it doesn't
exist, you're more than welcome to invent a fantasy world.  Meanwhile, the rest
of us will take information from reliable sources at face value, and eagerly
await the arrival of mass-production of the chip.

Rob Knauerhase
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Robert C. Knauerhase            University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
"I get my exercise acting as    Dept. of Computer Science, Gigabit Study Group
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