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From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)
Subject: Re: NeXT/Amiga Flamage: Get a life.
In-Reply-To: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu's message of 8 Apr 91 19:36:27 GMT
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In article <10867@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

   From article <af4G&1qj1@cs.psu.edu>, by melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger):

   I was referring to 1.3 being snappier than your NeXt.  And I think 2.0
   looks better than your NeXT.  Yes, it's missing things.  Okay, it's
   missing CompuGraphic scaled fonts.  it's on its way.  And VM is
   available.  Okay.  Fine.  But on an EFFICIENT system, the GUI doesn't
   matter.  The next is FAR from efficient, and you know it.  It's
   intuitive, and nice-looking.  But it's a kludge on the os, not an
   integrated part of the os.

It's a kludge because it's not hard-wired into the OS, and it's a
layered approach?  What's wrong with that?  That's how all
workstations work.

   Well, than again, if I'm going to pay umteen dollars for a system, it
   had better be a HELL of a lot more than just "acceptable".  Every user
   has the potential to be a "power user"., and it shouldn't cost more to
   be able to have that power.

Yeah, and?  The hangup isn't DP, as I have mentioned in the past few
articles.
   > 
   > Well, you are running out of computers that don't have virtual memory.
   > In a few years their won't be any left.  By the way, all workstations
   > have virtual memory, are they "bad" in your book?
   > 

   What happens if you stop using VM on a NeXT?  Can you?  If so, try it,
   and see how far it gets you.  And yes, all workstations have VM.  How
   nifty.  But of course, most REAL workstations are H-S Risc boxes...
   Not a portable toaster.  And how many REAL workstations have PS as part
   of the display system?

Can you stopp using VM on a Sun, HP, SGI?  It's a workstation for
crying out loud.  How about doing a little more research outside of
the pc world.

Sun has News which is based on PS, and I think DEC allows for the use
of DP in some form.  Do your own HW and find out.

   I grow weary of the NeXT debate...  The NeXt is nice, but it has
   severe faults...  And no, I'd rather NOT get into details, as I'm sure
   Peter has already shown you ten of them...  And there will be more, as
   long as this debate rages on.  Amiga owners have a 512k (at most)
   system that is loaded from a rom, not a multi-megabyte throat-cutting
   os that takes more cpu cycles than a raytracer...

No machine is perfect, and there will always be faults.  It would be
nice if the Amiga users could do their HW and find them instead of
screaming the standard lines of propaganda.

-Mike

