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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: NeXT/Amiga Flamage: Get a life.
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1991 05:07:54 GMT

In article <umG&llg1@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes:
>In article <1991Apr4.004937.10202@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>
>	   I will grant you spreadsheets (that is if Improv is
>   finally shipping), but the Amiga has very good DTP as well, and
>   I've heard enormous complaints about the Mac Framemaker. As to
>   the 040, you and I both know it'll be out for Amigas and Macs
>   RSN.
>
>Yes, Improv is shipping.  We have it here.  What don't Mac users like
>about FrameMaker?  Too slow?  Tell them to buy a NeXT and run it on
>there.
>
	Sorry, that was a misthink. I should've said that I've
heard tons of complaints about bugs in the NeXT framemaker.

>   >and it's a boon to productivity.  You can run X and an IBM PC in a
>   >window for compatibility.
>
>	   Gee, you can do that on an Amiga as well! What a
>   coincidence.
>
>You can't run X in a window.  Reboot that sucker.  Seriously, I do
>think it is important to be able to support the environments
>simultanously.
>
	Whelp, it is time for another BZZZZZZTT! Thanks for
playing! GfxBase makes X-Windows for AmigaDOS. As well, there is
supposedly a PD project in the works.

>	   You are right. 1.3 doesn't look so hot. 2.0 does. Under
>   2.0 you can tell it to make the screen any size up to 32Kx32K,
>   depending on available chip ram, and your window can be on-screen
>   and off screen into that extra space.
>
>And 2.0 will be out soon for other computers besides the A3000?
>System 7.0 is comping out on May 13, and it looks slick.
>Does 2.0 support Adobe outline fonts?
>
	Yes, it will. I've heard rumors that it will be this
April, and I believe them. I'm certain it'll be out before May
13. And no, 2.0 doesn't currently support Adobe fonts, but it is
a well-known fact that Commodore has signed an agreement with
AGFA-Compugraphic to support their outline technology in AmigaDOS
itself. This is being actively worked on, but I don't expect to
see it in the release. Besides, if I want either Adobe or
Compugraphic I just load up my PageStream.

>	   There is a lot of great software in the Amiga markets as
>   well. Advantage is a good spreadsheet program. We now have
>   SuperBase 4 which is a successful IBM world product, as well as
>   dbMAN V which is a dBASE III+ compat. program with extensions.
>   How does the NeXT software stack up? There is Improv. What else?
>
>FrameMaker, Create, TopDraw, Adobe Illustrator(May), Wingz, Who's
>Calling, Diagram, Word Perfect, WriteNow(free), Text Art, and Quark
>XPress(announce for 91) are some of the important pieces of NeXT
>software that I can think of.  I guess the big ones are Adobe,
>FrameMaker, WP, Lotus, and Quark.  These are important because Mac and
>IBM users can use the same software(some exist for only 1 computer) on
>the NeXT too.
>
	So we both have some nice software. However the products
I have mentioned will HAVE to be updated, because the companies
have to support the Amiga market as they don't have another
substantive one. Quark, Lotus, WP, Adobe and FrameMaker will all
be watching their sales VERY carefully.
	Besides, it kinda makes sense that Adobe would support
the NeXT, given that it uses Display Postscript!

>-Mike


	-- Ethan

Q: How many Comp Sci majors does it take to change a lightbulb
A: None. It's a hardware problem.
