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From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)
Subject: Re: Amiga OS *IS* state of the art, but the NeXT is better
In-Reply-To: rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 3 Apr 91 08:24:43 GMT
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In article <1991Apr3.082443.12888@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes:

   >It works great acrossed campus.  I'm not sure how many Fortune 500
   >companies are using ethernet?  Voice mail will work through a modem.
   >It's just a compress'ed tar file.  And I guess you'd have to buy a fax
   >machine to send faxes.  Fax machines are pretty common, ya know.
			     ^^^^^^^^^What does this have to do with NeXT?

   You can get send fax for Amiga, Mac, IBM, etc.

Faxing is an option from the print menu.  You can use it from ANY
application.  Just click the fax button instead of the print button.

   >
   >It was refering to Toolbook, not the A2500.  Reread my posting.  My
   >point was Toolbook is incredibly slow, and the people where I work
   >would rather spend their time developing in it then the Amiga which
   >looks a helluva lot more impressive.  No one uses the loaner A2500.
   >It will leave here untouch except for a few demos.  Damn shame.
     Too bad, your fellow employee's loss. You'd make more money
   developign AMiga software than you would doing NeXT software.

Actually, we develop mostly Mac and IBM software.  We have only one
NeXT project.

     You sure do know how to increase your credibility on the net, don't you.
   Sorry, I never heard of you. You weren't in Eagle Soft, ATC, NEC, UCF, or TA
   which were the major American crack groups. The only Condor I even
   remotely recall was from a group called 'TSC-The Supreme Council' However,
   I knew the head of that group personally (He's serving in the persian gulf
   right now.) so I would know you. I'm not going to reveal my handle
   since that era of my life is past me, but I was in FBR,Public Enemy, and
   Conquest, not to mention a few other groups. I never cracked games myself, I 
   programmed the flashy intros/demos for the game loaders. (I also released
   a few programs to patch games and install cheat modes.) This is all
   very interesting and brings back memories, but it has nothing to do
   your arguement.

Just reminiscing back to when I used to stay up all night playing with
my C64.  I wasn't a major pirate, just a kid who liked to poke around
with the C64 :-).

      My Commodore 64 system cost approx the same as an Amiga500 does.
   (C64=$200, 1541=$200, Monitor=$150, printer=$150) My Commodore128
   system costed $299 when it first came out, the 1571 disk drive was
   over $200.  Sure Commie 8bit systems were cheap, but not much cheaper
   than an a500. Especially when the C64 first hit the market. Why don't you
   figure out why people buy $7000 Mac II systems and not NeXT's?

Software and Apple's reputation.  Also, people are still afraid of
computers.  They frequently buy what their friends have.

   >Great statement.  The big question is: "How much will they cost?" 
     Well, GVP and Supra (small companies) have quoted prices at $895 list.
   The Commodore card will probably be cheaper since Commodore can buy
   040's and RAM in muchbigger quantities.

I think the 040 itself normally costs around $700.  If you're right, a
lot of Mac users will be jumping ship.

     NeXT owner's act like the no other computer will have an 040 at the same
   price. I remember NeXT users saying 040 Ami boards would cost $2000.
   The sad fact is, the headstart that the NeXT had with the 040 isn't going to
   help. 040's will be availible for the Amiga and Mac this year.

I'm sure that other companies will sell you an 040 machine for the
same price as NeXT, but will they do it in 1991?

Keep in mind that the NeXT is more than an 040.  The Amiga still
doesn't have virtual memory(even Macs have this) or memory protection.
The Amiga is a nice machine, but the market is heating up and
consumers educated enough to know the better machine by looking at
spec. sheet.

-Mike


