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From: rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell)
Subject: Re: Amiga OS *IS* state of the art, but the NeXT is better
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In article <gi1Gxwqf1@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes:
>
>In article <1991Apr2.192023.26598@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>   No. Most developers will continue to develop for MS-DOS and Windows. The
>   NeXT and Amiga are both way back in the race, with the Mac in an intermediate
>   position (and holding it largely through the clever use of lawyers).
>
>   All the arguments about the technical excellence of the NeXT apply equally
>   well to the technical excellence of the Amiga over the past 5 years. See
>   how well that's worked...
>
>I don't care if most developers continue to develop for DOS machines
>as long as some good developers write software for the NeXT.  The Mac
>is still the best(IMHO) computer for WP and DTP.
>
>The Amiga lost because it was branded a GAME MACHINE, the user
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   When did the Amiga lose? Amiga's are selling better now than they have
ever done before. Let's not forget that the Commodore 64 was also branded
a game machine yet it sold 10 million machines world wide and is still
selling. I predict NeXT's aren't going to achieve much of a market
penetration.  There are low-end Amigas (500), low end Macs(Classic), lo end
IBM's (pc/xt), but there is no low-end NeXT. The cheapest model  is over
$3000 and that's just the educational price.

>interface didn't/doesn't look as good/professional (Zzzz) as the Macs,
>and it used to GURU meditate a little too much.  Lest we forget,
>Commodore didn't know how to market the machine either.

 Regardless of that fact, the Amiga continues to sell without any marketing.
Just think how good it would sell with marketing. The Commodore 64 sold
10 million with hardly any marketing. I guess that says alot about
Commodore's technical excellence and price.

>-Mike

  You need to wake up to the fact that the general populace isn't going
to purchase a NeXT anymore than they'd purchase a Sun or Vax. Sure, it's
cool to develop on the NeXT (objective-c, yuck), but you can't sell
a machine to developers only, developers need consumers to buy what
developers develop. An Amiga or Mac w/040 would kill NeXT in speed
considering the overhead of NeXTStep, Display Postscript, and Unix
compared to that of AmigaDOS or Finder.

  And about Interface builder. The NeXT isn't the only machine that has
interface building programs.They are availible on the Ibm, Mac, and Amiga
as well.

Considering how long the NeXT has been around, and how many units it has
sold, i'd say it's more of a loser than Commodore.



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