Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
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From: xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan)
Subject: Re: CALL FOR LOCAL DISCUSSION Revision 2: Split the c.s.a group more?
Message-ID: <1990Oct31.024011.22787@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
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Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
References: <1990Oct28.001448.25414@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <Oct.29.16.20.14.1990.11541@pilot.njin.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 02:40:11 GMT
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limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
> [what news.groups] will yell and scream about:

>>                      comp.sys.amiga.introduction

>First of all, the name.space.control.freaks of news.groups will
>dislike this name.  ".newuser" has precident, why not use it?  (I
>admit to often siding with the name.space.control.freaks, maybe I'm
>a n.s.c.f wanna-be?  :-) )

We are combining for the c.s.a group the functions of news.announce.newusers,
news.newusers, and comp.unix.questions.  The current name better captures
the combined functionality.


>>                       comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
>>                      comp.sys.amiga.applications
>
>I still think that ".multimedia" is too broad.

You and Robin.  It gets split as a group, kept as a name.

>I still think that ".applications" should be ".apps".

No, the number of English as a second  language  folks  on  the  net  is
growing rapidly. We can't afford to ignore the problems our acronyms and
abbreviations cause this group. Rename the existing .apps groups,  don't
make me make a poor choice for this one. Take a look at  the  number  of
French, German, Swedish, Japanese, Spanish and Danish  speaking  readers
_currently_  posting  to  c.s.a.

>I prefer .multimedia, .apps.biz, and .apps.misc.  I know that's a
>big change from the current proposal, so just consider it food for
>thought.  I'd just rather see .apps be a hub.

Again, no.  We're much better off with a flat address space; it makes
things easier for thousands of users.  We can spin off .productivity
later if the demand is demonstrated.

>>                         comp.sys.amiga.market
>
>I know the definintion, you know the definition, but dispite that
>we're going to get a million marketing questions and flames.  If I
>was a new user and want to rant:  "C0mm0d0re sh00d do more advertz,
>d00d!", I'd be tempted to post it (incorrectly) here.  Don't you
>think?  I know that ba.market sets a precident for this name, but I
>see ".classified" and ".forsale" as better names.

Ads aren't the primary purpose of this group, "where do I buy, who's
an honest vendor, what's a good price" postings far outweigh the two
or three ads a day.  If we name it .forsale, the net won't buy it as
different from misc.forsale.computers, even though no one here will
ever use it.  .classified also fails to capture the intent of the
group.

Nevertheless, you're right, that is a  problem,  so  you  win;  it  gets
changed. The recently proposed  alternative  .marketplace  will  replace
.market. With some luck  that  will  repulse  the  marketing  flames  to
.influence  or  whatever  it  ends  up  called, without calling down the
wrath of the net on the subgroup.

>>                       comp.sys.amiga.emulations
>
>Wow!  One of my ideas makes it this far!  Makes me glad I collected
>those statistics.

It was a big area I'd missed, I was greatful for the suggestion.

>Comment:  Where would a new user post "What's the best vt100
>emulator?"?  Temptation would be to post it here.  Is this good?
>Well, I guess a VT100 emulator is software that emulates an actual
>machine.  It could be argued either way.  Again, no opinion.

I can live with the occasional mistargeted post; as long as we get 80%
right, I'll be delighted.  There will be lots of people willing to help
steer newbies straight.

>>                       comp.sys.amiga.influence

>I hate to say it, but the name.space.control.freaks of news.groups
>are going to say, "this should be called comp.sys.amiga.flame".
>Now, it can be argued that there is an alt group for this, and it
>can be argued that since the group will deal with multiple
>computers, it shouldn't be under just the c.s.a groups.  Maybe a
>comp.flame should be proposed?

Our problem is not what to do with flames, or cross computer flames,
it is what to do with a certain portion of the existing traffic in
comp.sys.amiga.  For that we _must_ have a group in the c.s.a.*
heirarchy, and the net WILL NOT let us have it if it is named .flame.

There is a legitimate function of comparing God's Gift to Microcomputers
with the trashy competition ;-) which is why the benchmark postings go
here; if .compare would have attracted all the other stuff we want to
wall off here, I would have kept the name.  I'm still open for an
_excellent_ suggestion for a better name, but variations on pejoratives
are NOT being considered; see again 'legitimate function".

>>                        comp.sys.amiga.datacomm

>I like it (but I know at least one person will request that it's
>called "c.s.a.dcom".  How about comp.sys.amiga.marco.papa ?  :-)

Well, nice as Atalk probably is (I'm using a four year old freeware
package in complete contentment, even though I'm five releases behind),
there's lots of other stuff in here, so we'll wait until Marco goes into
sales to retire his jersey.

>>                            comp.unix.amiga
>
>I like it, but I think news.groups will complain that it's a
>newsgroup for a product that's not out yet.

Two responses: 1) yes it is, and 2) we're still talking traffic, not
hardware/software.  The _talk_ about it is rife.

>>3) The capture and care of moderators.
>>--------------------------------------

>>In addition, limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom  Limoncelli)  said  he'd  found
>>another volunteer to moderate, but gave no name. Is your volunteer still
>>nibbling,  Tom?

>He didn't say that I could publicly announce his name, but he
>didn't say I couldn't.  I'll send him email and ask him to crawl
>out from under his rock (or keyboard garage).  BTW, his initials
>are MM.  :-)

Already emerged, then.

>Some other notes:
>-----------------
>People didn't seem to understand that I was joking about electing a
>c.s.a net.police person to enforce certain rules.  IT'S A JOKE.

Not that bad an idea to appoint a traffic monitor over .introduction,
though, if just to notice what questions need to go in the FAQ posting,
and maybe flame the occasional maggot by email.  I'm pushing MM for the
job, since it looks like .announce and .reviews are now moderated.  We'll
see.

>I won't argue too much about these names, life if too short to take
>Usenet seriously.

Second the motion.  I only put up with this garbage because my life has
nothing else in it to take seriously.
                                                           /// It's Amiga
                                                          /// for me:  why
Kent, the man from xanth.                             \\\///   settle for
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>   \XX/  anything less?
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Convener, ongoing comp.sys.amiga grand reorganization.
