VTUG-BBS ======== "Noticed that my BBS wasn't in your list! I think its story is mildly interesting, so... here's a brief summary. I ran VTUG-BBS for somewhere between 2 and 3 years, starting in the fall of 1982, first on a VIC-20 and then on a C-64. I wrote the software, RAVICS, which was -- I believe -- the first BBS available for these machines. VTUG stood for VIC Technical Users' Group, although I never really got a user's group off the ground - the BBS was all there was to it. The BBS was initially fairly simple - a single message base and "chat with the sysop" - but rapidly developed into a reasonably interesting system with multiple message bases, private mail, tree-structured conferencing, and uploads/downloads (which were, however, a relatively unimportant part of the BBS's culture - this was long before the warez days). I think the user base was a couple hundred and the system was off-hook pretty much 24 hours a day at the peak. I wrote the software on a VIC-20 shortly after obtaining the VICmodem (for my 13th birthday - I'd received the VIC for Christmas a few months before!) and hacking up a simple autoanswer device for it. I'm sure it was the first, and possibly the only BBS on a VIC-20. Without really setting out to do so, I sold a few copies of it and I bought the C-64 with the proceeds shortly after its release. Of course I promptly "ported" the BBS to the 64, so RAVICS was probably the first BBS software available for the C-64 as well - this was at a time when virtually all BBSs, at least in 212, ran on Apple IIs, TRS-80s, etc. In the next couple of years I ran VTUG and sold a reasonable number of copies of RAVICS to sysops around the country (despite having no advertising other than the BBS itself). "In 1984 I sold the C-64, sold the rights to RAVICs, and bought an IBM PC XT. I made some half-hearted attempts to write a BBS for the PC, and ran some third-party software for a while at 534-3149, but I was in high school by then and I was spending too much time thinking about girls and mathematics. I relinquished the title of sysop and became instead a user: a denizen of the legendary Ailanthus Tree. Thanks for a site that brings back some memories from nearly 20 years ago - although my BBS is far from the only interesting one from those days that is missing from your 212 list! Let me know if you're interested in any of the others I remember... BTW I posted a message to Usenet in 2002 requesting info about the later life of RAVICS (after I sold it) - archived at http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/software/COMMODORE/VIC-20/RAVICS/adam.txt and http://mail.textfiles.com/pipermail/cosysops/2003-February/000046.html, but note that the email address I gave in the message is no longer active. That message gives a few more details about VTUG/RAVICS. I never received any replies, unfortunately, so I still don't know what happened to RAVICS later on, though I know that there were BBSs running RAVICS for at least a few years more...." - Adam Jacobs Phone : 212-534-3149 Place : New York, NY Years : 1982 - 1985 Sysop : Adam Jacobs Software: RAVICS Listed by telephone number, as they all were. A few of these boards did reach the web: see recoveries-002.txt. Source : bbslist.textfiles.com, compiled by Jason Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------ gopher://hp84.com/ | https://ge97.com/ .