[HN Gopher] Apple WWDC 2026
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Apple WWDC 2026
Author : nextstep
Score : 242 points
Date : 2026-06-08 17:14 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| ksec wrote:
| New Search! Finally !
| mostlysimilar wrote:
| It's shocking how bad Mail.app search is today. It basically
| doesn't work.
| IMTDb wrote:
| Anyone able to restart the stream if you missed the first few
| minutes or are we living in a world where AI will cure cancer but
| Apple can't build a "Watch live / Watch from start" button ?
| nextstep wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/live/hF8swzNR1-o
|
| there's also a YouTube live stream that lets you go back
| tcmart14 wrote:
| This isn't letting me drag back either.
| lysace wrote:
| Yeah, explicitly disabled. Corporate control freak behavior
| - that tracks.
| IMTDb wrote:
| Does it ? I can pause but I can't seem to go back. Clicking
| on the timeline does nothing. Clicking on the "live"
| indicator does nothing.
| numpad0 wrote:
| YouTube has a "disable DVR" toggle that disables the seek
| bar. There is a workaround, but I'm not sure if there's one
| that work in-browser.
| madars wrote:
| This UserJS worked for me with Violentmonkey -
| https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/485020-dvr-chan-force-
| enab...
|
| What is the non-browser workaround? E.g., can streamlink do
| it?
| tcmart14 wrote:
| No kidding. I missed the first 16 minutes because something
| needed my attention. I'd like to be able to restart the stream.
| defrim wrote:
| can confirm, not able to scrub backwards. Maybe it requires
| iRewind(tm) premium?
| GeekyBear wrote:
| You can't scrub back and forth on the timeline until the live
| stream is finished.
| addandsubtract wrote:
| "It's a feature, not a bug" - Apple
| chocochunks wrote:
| https://www.theverge.com/tech/942572/wwdc-2026-live-blog-ios...
|
| At least a summary of what was missed.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Old sidebar back on macOS thank god. 2026, the year Apple
| discovered toolbars are useful.
| akohstic wrote:
| I have to manually log in to Gmail and other emails accounts just
| to search it properly. Really glad to see some action on this
| chatmasta wrote:
| When I download a new app on iOS, I immediately disable
| searching it and disable background updates. I hate the search
| feature and only use it as an app launcher when I'm
| accidentally not on the App Library screen.
|
| On macOS, I also disable spotlight for everything because the
| indexing process has been the single biggest culprit of CPU
| spikes when it's doing something insane like indexing a git
| repo. Again, I only use Spotlight as an app launcher.
|
| I wish it were easier to opt into this "App Launcher only"
| mode. I had to really tinker with the settings to exclude
| everything except applications. And I'm sure I'm going to need
| to do it all over again after this update.
| pfortuny wrote:
| Try quicksilver
| desolate_muffin wrote:
| The presence of an alternative launcher does not prevent
| spotlight background tasks from running
| tosh wrote:
| finally a snow leopard like release focused on performance and
| fixing user experience
| praash wrote:
| My impression was that they're doubling down on that horrid
| Liquid glass.
|
| Apparently there's a new fancy slider for making it more (but
| not completely) opaque? Did I miss an option for turning it
| off?
| Groxx wrote:
| [accessibility settings -> display -> reduce transparency] is
| the main option afaik. while you're in there, try "reduce
| motion" too, it's pretty nice imo.
| jerlam wrote:
| Have you tried the Accessibility setting "Reduce
| Transparency"? Apple tends to hide too many things there.
| iknowstuff wrote:
| that's been available from the beginning
| smilespray wrote:
| Keep in mind Apple would never admit mistakes on Liquid
| Glass. But: Looks to me they're fixing some of the worst
| aspects. I'm on the fence.
|
| The iOS 7 flat redesign was a UX disaster. But they got back
| up to speed in subsequent releases.
|
| There IS something to be said for design resets with follow-
| up refits to accomodate for actual human beings. Most
| companies just add crap on top of crap.
|
| Not saying what everything Apple does is perfect, even as a
| user/fanboy since '86.
|
| What I most enjoyed about todays's annoucement that they're
| doing a Snow Leopard performance/bug reset, because that was
| expected and needed. And they started out with it, so they
| know their WWDC audience.
|
| So: Both a technical and UX debt effort, with some privacy-
| focused AI on top.
|
| I can't complain.
| runjake wrote:
| It's just being pitched this way by marketing and the C suite.
| If it were really a snow leopard release, someone should have
| informed the engineers they were supposed to be improving
| resiliency and fixing bugs, because this is news to them.
| _cough_
| xyzsparetimexyz wrote:
| Let me know if Metal gets any cool new features
| Q6T46nT668w6i3m wrote:
| There's tons of Metal updates that will be announced during the
| platform meeting and workshops.
| delduca wrote:
| There is a lot of metal news here https://www.metal-
| archives.com
| sherbondy wrote:
| Stoked about custom environments on visionOS from your panoramas.
| I have been shooting so many panoramas of national parks in
| anticipation of this moment.
| cromka wrote:
| The dubbed audio is disturbing. Or is it a delayed audio stream?
| dilap wrote:
| Reload should fix (did for me).
| WorldPeas wrote:
| Hopefully this new golden gate update is really the snow leopard
| everyone's been hoping for.. already exciting one can now (if
| only partially) disable liquid glass
| chatmasta wrote:
| Liquid Glass is fine for me since I put it in grayscale. I
| actually like it.
|
| I'm just talking about iOS though. Haven't updated to Liquid
| (Gl)ass on macOS yet.
| philistine wrote:
| People talk about Liquid Glass as if it equal on all fronts.
| It's absolutely not. Apple knows which way their bread is
| buttered, that they can't mess up the iPhone. So Liquid Glass
| is fine on iOS. It's on Mac that it's a garbage fire of
| ridiculous design decisions.
|
| Still the best OS around, but it looks like it was made by
| idiots.
| chatmasta wrote:
| Also weird how it's all or nothing. Feels like it should
| just be a theme you choose for your OS.
| mostlysimilar wrote:
| This is really what they need to get back to. Let macOS
| be themeable again.
| badc0ffee wrote:
| IMO it's _not_ fine on iOS. It has the same visual busyness
| as on macOS.
| avarun wrote:
| Agreed, but seems like we're the odd ones out. I keep
| hearing how Liquid Glass is ok on iOS and terrible on
| macOS, but I actually think it's (slightly) better on
| macOS than on iOS.
|
| At least macOS has configurability to turn off all the
| transparency. iOS just looks bad no matter how you
| configure it right now.
| chatmasta wrote:
| Try messing with the settings more. Grayscale (or
| whatever it's called) makes the transparency much more
| tolerable, or even _nice_, than with multi-color.
|
| It's also more palatable on iOS because you only have one
| window open at a time. Many of the complaints around
| Liquid Glass on macOS are focused on window management
| and issues that only occur with multiple windows on
| screen simultaneously.
| sixothree wrote:
| I really think Mac OS is one of the worst operating systems
| to begin with. How is liquid glass going to make it worse.
| I will 100% leave the criticism of liquid glass on Mac OS
| to others.
|
| But Liquid Glass on iOS has been one of my favorite
| updates. I like the look and feel of it. They made some
| tangentially related changes that go too far.
| chatmasta wrote:
| Luckily for Apple, their primary competitor has managed
| to make their OS even worse. Windows becomes more
| unusable with every update, and on top of that, continues
| shoving telemetry and advertising into the OS. I
| installed windows on a laptop as an experiment and was
| shocked to see ads in the start menu. Who wants that?!
|
| The best OS is probably something between Ubuntu and
| macOS. But nothing beats macOS on default, works out of
| the box, secure and usable and integrated with ecosystems
| of daily life.
| sixothree wrote:
| I already agree with you on every single point. But
| Finder, holy heck is Finder awful. As someone who uses a
| filesystem as a first-class feature of an operating
| system, Finder it's one of the most horrible things about
| Mac OS.
|
| I say this as someone who uses and has owned too many
| Macs, but can just never make them my primary machine. I
| promise, I've spent the last 30 years trying to make them
| my main.
| WorldPeas wrote:
| the truth (that most people here would tell you) is that
| macos may be worse than linux, but it's generally
| understood, you can install companions for proprietary
| hardware much more easily and coworkers won't look at you
| with a blank stare when you explain that you're switching
| them all to it for mdm purposes (as they would with
| linux/windows).
| sleepybrett wrote:
| Yeah it seems like they are finally reconsidering their
| position of unifying ios and macos somewhat. I wish they
| would revert settings on the mac back to it's old 'control
| panel' days.
| WorldPeas wrote:
| I'm in the same camp. I'm glad that I chose now to get my
| carrier-backed phone update because I wouldn't have been able
| to endure the keyboard still breaking and apps popping in
| like the interface is a windows ce skin for very long
| 1-6 wrote:
| While I may hold an unpopular opinion, I really enjoy using
| liquid glass. It really makes an information-rich screen seem
| less cluttered.
| nailer wrote:
| Elements underneath glass elements would add clutter
| miladyincontrol wrote:
| I slightly prefer it, its nothing groundbreaking though. I
| just dont think it's the grand UX sin that some the most
| vocal critics love to preach.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| I like it on iOS. It missed on macOS, but the new version
| looks much better. Bringing back the old style sidebar and
| actual toolbars again was the right choice.
| nozzlegear wrote:
| I agree with you, it looks good on iOS and iPadOS. I'm
| indifferent toward it on macOS - you hardly ever notice it
| unless you live in the control center all day (IME anyway).
| yreg wrote:
| I think it looks good (really good in some usecases!), but I
| don't like the problems it causes.
|
| - accessibility (hopefully improved soon)
|
| - floating buttons over content that doesnt need to scroll
|
| - switching light/dark when scrolling over content with
| borderline brightness
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| Need a Leopard first, we're firmly in Lion territory currently
| if we're talking bad macOS version.
| yreg wrote:
| Watching the platform state of the union it really seems we
| are getting a snow leopard right after the lion. Fingers
| crossed...
| rayiner wrote:
| Is there a live text play-by-play so we don't have to watch a
| video like some pre-literate? ArsTechnica used to do one but I
| can't find it for this year.
| leoh wrote:
| macrumors.com
| kdkirsch wrote:
| Not on Ars :( Verge's is behind their paywall.
|
| Try Wired's https://www.wired.com/live/apple-wwdc-2026-live-
| blog-all-the...
| jdub wrote:
| MacRumors always delivers.
|
| https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/08/wwdc-2026-live-coverage...
| WoodenChair wrote:
| Apple very rarely admits mistakes. The fact they're rolling back
| some of the extremeness in Liquid Glass and actively mentioned in
| the keynote that they very seriously took the user feedback shows
| just how bad it was, at least initially.
| matesz wrote:
| I bet they planned this before the initial release and actually
| had this capability then and there. Just needed some guinea
| pigs (aka their users) to learn more and establish the trend.
| kefabean wrote:
| well, they also needed the initial release to facilitate a
| 'speed bump' in the new release, so perhaps!
| philistine wrote:
| It was literally the first specific announcement they made
| after they finished their introductions. Not anything iPhone
| related; they announced that Liquid Glass on _macOS_ would move
| towards the older design. Goes to show that a year of anybody
| with any sort of clout complaining about the thousand little
| cuts of Liquid Glass on macOS will get a company to respond.
|
| That and the guy who announced it last year fled to Facebook of
| all places.
| xoa wrote:
| > _shows just how bad it was_
|
| > _Goes to show that a year of anybody with any sort of clout
| complaining about the thousand little cuts of Liquid Glass on
| macOS will get a company to respond._
|
| Worth remembering too that this isn't merely about
| "complaints", Apple has significant metrics on the rates at
| which users are upgrading to a new OS, or not. You can opt-
| out of sharing that data, but a lot of people (even technical
| people) may choose to check the box to share with Apple.
| Anecdotally, I myself and a LOT of other people have stuck
| with macOS 15 or earlier, but Apple should have a lot of hard
| data on it and adoption curves vs the past.
|
| A real reaction does certainly suggest that this wasn't just
| a tempest in a teacup, but that they really weren't seeing
| the adoption on Macs they expected.
| yurishimo wrote:
| I and most of my dev friends didn't update. The reality is
| that many of us work in a web browser and an IDE all day
| writing software for non-Apple platforms. The only
| incentive I have to update is new and compelling OS
| features or bugfixes. Since major security patches will
| likely be backported, that just leaves new features and the
| reality is that macOS' only new "feature" worth talking
| about was Liquid Glass considering their AI offering was
| also an absolute joke.
|
| Given the other emphasis placed on performance improvements
| (likely in service to helping to mask the slowness of LLM
| Siri) I'm really hoping this is a modern Snow Leopard
| release. I'm looking forward to the Apple nerds digging and
| offering a compelling narrative about why I should care
| about updating.
|
| And to add on to that, if this is a bug-fix bonanza
| release, hopefully we'll also see a lot of positive
| movement during the beta period to keep shipping fixes.
| We're getting a freaking EQ on AirPods!!!!111!!1! It seems
| Apple is finally taking some things to heart about
| listening to their users and I'm 10000% here for it.
| dijit wrote:
| not just that, people keeping to older OS's will actively
| avoid converting to new hardware sales..
|
| I did not upgrade my laptop because it would come with the
| latest OS- I am not alone.
| 05 wrote:
| The other side of it is forced obsolescence where new OS
| makes your existing hardware slower. So I wouldn't
| upgrade my phone beyond iOS18.x purely for performance
| reasons but if there's a killer feature in a new iPhone I
| would still consider buying it because its hardware was
| built to handle the new effects and extra ram it needs.
| 05 wrote:
| Opt out all you want do you really think Apple doesn't know
| what OS version hits their APIs?
| lynndotpy wrote:
| Yes!! I agree with this entirely.
|
| As far as I know, the best data the rest of us have is
| Google Trends. And based on that, it really does look like
| Liquid Glass elicited the largest negative reaction that
| Apple has ever had to an OS release.
|
| "How to Switch to Android" hit 3x its all time peak,
| "iPhone revert update", hit 4x its all-time peak, "iPhone
| slow" hit 8x its all time peak, "iPhone bad now" hit 5x its
| all time peak, "iPhone fix battery" hit 3x its all-time
| peak (and 14x its five-year peak)
|
| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=how%20t
| o...
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| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%
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| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=
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| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%
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| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%
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| I mostly looked at this for iOS, but searches like "macOS
| slow", "mac slow", "fix mac battery", "fix mac", etc. all
| show similar hockey-stick jumps as Liquid Glass rolled out.
|
| If this means a sudden highest-ever 10x shift in customer
| dissatisfaction - 1000% - then that has to have been
| significant.
| ksec wrote:
| There are probably other parts as well. Dissatisfaction
| against Apple for App Store has been high, may be for
| some Liquid Glass was the last straw. Omarchy had the
| highest number of Apple user switch to Linux. 100,000
| downloads may be small numbers by Apple standards but
| even if half of that were developers coming from Apple
| Mac I think it is a pretty big shift.
|
| The worst part, intentionally or not they left macOS 26
| as the last release for all the Intel user.
| torben-friis wrote:
| It's still nice to see a company not double down on a fall!
| They seem to have been on a full year of tech debt and
| optimisation.
|
| I still would have liked a more genuine walk back (they sold
| it as "iterations and adjustments" as if the rewinded stuff
| were new ideas) but overall reassuring.
| dry_soup wrote:
| Maybe I'm misremembering but I feel like Steve Jobs era Apple
| was much better at admitting mistakes. Nowadays even fiascos
| like the butterfly keyboard don't warrant an apology, just a
| quiet change.
| GeekyBear wrote:
| Apple has always tweaked new UI designs over the first few OS
| releases.
|
| They did it with Aqua when MacOS launched and again with the
| iPhone's original skeuomorphic UI and yet again with the flat
| redesign of iOS.
| try-working wrote:
| Of course. Every company does that. There is no company ever
| that just freezes after they release something.
| tsunamifury wrote:
| He means the classic revolution/evolution cycle. Move
| forward, and then refine. This means you have to accept
| some errors in the name of momentum.
| marbletiles wrote:
| What they don't do is open their keynotes with announcements
| of the tweaks. This isn't like the other situations.
| moogly wrote:
| Jobs: "You're holding it wrong, idiot."
|
| Also Jobs: _fires the antenna designer_
| Y-bar wrote:
| Multiple things can be true:
|
| We could be holding it wrong, and Jobs be correct to point
| out that many rival phones at the time literally had manuals
| dictating how to hold their phones to avoid reception issues.
|
| The antenna designer could have done a better job, preventing
| the situation, thereby not dragging Jobs into a PR storm.
|
| Jobs could have handled the situation and communication
| _significantly_ better.
| analogpixel wrote:
| Maybe I wasn't in the minority of people that stopped updating
| macos to wait for them to remove it.
| firemelt wrote:
| so bad like john ive ferarri lmao
| robot_jesus wrote:
| Yeah. It's clear they've been hearing the complaints. Not just
| Liquid Glass, but they even talked about the inconsistent menu
| bar icons and problems with rounded corner radii (among a bunch
| of improvements). I'm excited that this is basically Snow
| Leopard part II, for those who remember.
| szundi wrote:
| Snow Leopard was a nothing release basically - but under the
| hood a lot got fixed and got better for devs
| sudokatsu wrote:
| Well, let's wait a bit before giving it such an honorable
| name lol
| xnx wrote:
| > Apple very rarely admits mistakes.
|
| Probably the best reversion was getting rid of the butterfly
| keyboard and bringing back ports after Jony Ive was gone.
| xiaoyu2006 wrote:
| I hope they redesign their magic mouse. It's not a real
| product.
| kqp wrote:
| I think it's basically recalcitrance. Same as they suddenly
| turn into the world's worst devs every time they have to
| make software for Windows. Apple hates mouses, but many
| people won't consider not using one, so they reluctantly
| make an expensive, pretty, and absolutely terrible mouse to
| get you over the hump of the macOS switch then keep pushing
| you along to where they really want you: the giant
| touchpad, where they do have a moat, and which trains you
| for the rest of their ecosystem. They even sneak half of
| that touchpad into the mouse itself, and half of the mouse
| out, so the transition is oh so easy.
| yurishimo wrote:
| I have been a desktop trackpad user for so long now, I
| literally don't want to use a mouse for anything except
| playing video games. The amount of flexibility offered by
| a good trackpad just wins most of the time as it is
| plenty accurate for quickly jumping around on one axis.
|
| With a large enough trackpad, you could even move to a
| 1:1 type of movement, or add that functionality to a
| layer for the best of both worlds (like gyro enhanced
| aiming in games).
| _doctor_love wrote:
| Wacom wants your money!
|
| I've worked with some designers who did what you
| described with their huge tablets. Use the stylus to turn
| it into a giant touchpad. Works pretty good.
| yurishimo wrote:
| Do you use a Magic Mouse? It's really not that bad if your
| only computer use consists of social media and the
| occasional budgeting spreadsheet.
|
| And before you mention it, yes the charging cable. In
| reality, plugging it in for literally 1 minute will get you
| enough battery to last hours. 5 minutes will get you an
| entire day. Normal people plug it in and go get a coffee or
| pee and then it's fine until they log off for the day.
| Could it better? Of course, but it's not so large an issue
| that they are losing customers on it, so it is what it is.
|
| You're not the target market for an Apple mouse and that's
| okay.
| ashdksnndck wrote:
| You've convinced me. I hope on the next iPhone, they make
| it so you have to put the MagSafe puck on the front where
| the screen is instead of that back where it is now.
| spartanatreyu wrote:
| It's not just the terrible charging that makes it a bad
| product.
|
| It's also the terrible ergonomics.
|
| It's the epitome of putting form before function. It's a
| desk ornament that leads to frequent injuries with use.
| See: https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+mouse+injury
| m463 wrote:
| "You're not the target market"
|
| Unfortunately I had to learn this when I got my first
| mac.
|
| You don't have to go very deep into the ecosystem to
| encounter things that... well, things bottom out at
| shallow.
|
| Looking back... glossy displays. flat keyboards without
| curvature to center your fingers on the keys. more and
| more hurdles to using macos as a technical person.
| prematurely missing USB-A. memory/storage that's not
| expandable. Dongles everywhere as a checkbox
| item/workaround.
|
| and of course, anything that superficially seems to be a
| mouse.
| numpad0 wrote:
| obligatory:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMX2cQdPubk&t=737s
| xiaoyu2006 wrote:
| How is Magic Mouse even close to ergonomics lol
| acdha wrote:
| This is off-topic and it's especially a waste of attention
| because it's a social media meme, not a real problem.
| People who actually use them don't spend time talking about
| it because it means every few months you plug it in long
| enough for a coffee break, and in return you can use it for
| many years without the connector breaking.
| wtallis wrote:
| Even if you set aside the stupid charging situation, it's
| still a bad mouse. The multitouch capabilities are not
| well used by the software, and it's the only mouse I've
| ever used that routinely sends scroll events while I'm
| just trying to click or drag. Their laptops are pretty
| good at rejecting accidental touchpad inputs despite
| those touchpads being quite large, but the mouse is a
| constant source of unintentional inputs.
| ksec wrote:
| This! It is a bad design because it is a compromise. It
| is flat because of the need of multitouch, which doesn't
| get used. And because of this flatness it is not
| ergonomic to hold it.
|
| It is neither a good trackpad replacement nor a good
| mouse design.
| zapzupnz wrote:
| > which doesn't get used
|
| Any non-anecdotal data on that assertion?
| acdha wrote:
| I can't say I've ever had that problem. Multitouch still
| works great on the one I bought in 2010 after near daily
| usage. You're not required to like it, of course, but I
| think it's a question of personal preferences more than
| an objective good/bad verdict.
| m463 wrote:
| Best I can say about it - at least it's not round.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| He went on to ruin Ferrari now :)
| edbaskerville wrote:
| Whoa, didn't realize that was Jony Ive! Good job Jony! Gave
| both Ferrari and EVs bad press with a single product
| launch!
|
| A good lesson in not messing with a good thing. If they had
| just put an electric motor in a classic Ferrari body, it
| could have been a nice moment for the energy transition.
| sethops1 wrote:
| The Luce is so bad it makes Nissan's 2026 Leaf refresh
| look awesome!
| unshavedyak wrote:
| Man did I despise that keyboard. I went from hating that to
| adoring my M3. Which feels good because I loved my MacBook
| before those butterfly switches, and again I love my MacBook
| now.
|
| I almost left apple entirely over those stupid switches lol.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| At least, unlike microslop, they ARE fixing things based on
| user feedback.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| So is Microsoft, albeit a bit late to the party. Taskbar now
| movable, performance improvements hitting insider builds, MS
| BUILD half about WSL containers, native coreutils, a dev
| edition of windows using Winget config to strip all the bloat
| out, all new system dialogs replacing a good chunk of the old
| Win32 stuff, WinUI reactor, ability to remove AI models &
| Copilot from the OS, etc.
|
| Classic case of the reality distortion field here.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| Oh? So I can now disable "AI" and "onedrive" and "microsoft
| accounts" in windows? COOL! where do i enable that?
| thewebguyd wrote:
| You always could disable OneDrive (it's uninstallable),
| and you could always use a local account on Pro editions
| of Windows, that's nothing new.
|
| Uninstalling Copilot and the local AI models is whats new
| on current insider builds.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+blocks+local+ac
| cou...
|
| https://redmondmag.com/articles/2025/10/08/microsoft-
| ends-lo...
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Hmm, funny, because I literally just set up a Win11 PRO
| machine yesterday, I could still create a local account,
| no bypass script needed.
|
| Your links only apply to Home editions.
| sudokatsu wrote:
| We shouldn't give them praise for gatekeeping it behind a
| paywall.
| kalleboo wrote:
| How did you do it? I had to set up a Windows 11 Pro
| install 2 months ago and there was no way to get past the
| Microsoft Account requirement, I _had_ to create an
| account, I tried everything (setting up with no network
| device attached, etc)
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Choose "Other options" then click "Domain join instead"
| you don't actually have to join a domain here, it just
| has to create a local account. That option won't be
| present on Home edition though just a heads up.
|
| You can also use an autoattend.xml file on the install
| ISO to set up a local account
| (https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/)
| amongst other things like removing all the windows store
| apps, etc.
| Melatonic wrote:
| Wait - what is the dev edition of windows?
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Edition is probably a bit generous (although that's the
| verbiage they used at the BUILD conference), but its a
| set of winget configs (works like Ansible) to disable a
| bunch of stuff, install WSL, starship, coreutils, node,
| python, whatever other SDKs you want, etc. with one
| command.
| https://github.com/microsoft/WindowsDeveloperConfig
|
| I believe they used the word edition because they plan on
| offering W365 cloud VMs with this config pre applied.
| tomduncalf wrote:
| Yeah I'm surprised by what a design misstep it was. The shiny
| corners of icons on iOS look so tacky and on macOS the corner
| radius mismatch is crazy. Also not a fan of the "bulbous"
| shapes of things with excessive rounded corners.
|
| Whenever I use my personal Mac or iPad, still on the old OS, I
| wonder what they were thinking - I would guess it was rushed to
| hit the annual release, as it does have potential in parts.
|
| That said, it looks from the few screenshots in this like
| you're able to pare it back to something much closer to how it
| used to look, which is great and I'm glad they're taking
| feedback on board.
| andrewl-hn wrote:
| > Apple very rarely admits mistakes
|
| Excep every time they do a big redesign like this. This
| happened when they moved away from skeuomorphism in iOS7(?) and
| then backpedalled hard in the following revision because of
| negative user feedback. Similar thing happened when they
| presented the reinvented Safari (I do't think that one even
| survived through betas). And it is happening now.
| robomartin wrote:
| I would love to be able to have a conversation with the people
| who decided Liquid Glass was a good idea. The first question
| would be:
|
| Given all other truly useful things you could implement as well
| as bug fixes, why did you think that investing time and money
| on Liquid Glass would deliver useful value to users?
|
| I wonder how much time and money they wasted on something that
| nobody wanted, cared for, needed or solved any real problem?
| sethops1 wrote:
| My theory is they made Liquid Glass for the Watch first,
| where (IMHO) it's actually pretty great, and assumed it would
| translate well to iOS and macOS, which in retrospect it did
| not.
| zulux wrote:
| Sort of how Microsoft made Windows 8 look like a Zune.
| mjsweet wrote:
| "We are sorry and we think we fixed it... ok, here is a slider"
| rvz wrote:
| Another bunch of AI startups have been destroyed.
| victorbjorklund wrote:
| Which ones? Doesn't sound like they delievered anything really
| new that wasn't announce years ago.
| CrimsonCape wrote:
| Ever since the liquid glass update, my wallpaper is just a muted
| color. I investigated the settings and previously my wallpaper
| was the "blur" version of my lock screen. Since the liquid glass
| update, "blur" apparently means "99% blur" instead of the 20-30%
| blur it used to be. The muted color does seem to be an average
| color of the lock screen image. But nothing recognizable.
| rconti wrote:
| Every once in awhile my background wallpaper goes from "normal"
| to "blurry mess". It seems to correlate with low battery but
| not perfectly. I'm not quite sure what's going on.
| ivm wrote:
| Yeah, I'm struggling to find a wallpaper that looks good under
| the transparent menu bar + the vertical dock on the right. So
| now it's almost black solid color.
| miladyincontrol wrote:
| Much as I have a not so great opinion on Siri's capabilities, I'm
| rather surprised how many people appear to use Siri/Apple
| Intelligence to search for rather niche hobby content that I run
| a site for. OpenAI's scrapers I expect volume from, but I didnt
| really expect apple's to be consistently rank second.
| antirez wrote:
| They try so hard to do a polished presentation that everything is
| kinda fake and unauthentic. I don't understand how this attitude
| survived so many years.
| IMTDb wrote:
| People smiling while using Siri and holding their phones 2
| meters away from their faces looks genuinely disturbing and
| fake. We are at that point where I hope their next stream will
| be AI generated so it looks more natural.
| krzys wrote:
| People smiling while using Siri look genuinely disturbing.
| Cassell wrote:
| And talking for exactly 10 seconds while the ai generates to
| maintain the semblance of a live demo.
| sonar_un wrote:
| Go watch the dev videos, they feel 100% AI. The people are
| real, but everything else about it is uncanny valley.
| kilroy123 wrote:
| Yeah, I find it so cringe. You can tell they all had the _same
| exact_ training too. They all move their hands and arms in the
| same weird fake way.
| mathisfun123 wrote:
| "think different"
| qwertyuiop_ wrote:
| Bingo they all have the same coaches, watch Satya, Sundar and
| heck even Cisco ceo they all have conformity now lol
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| The uncanny hands-but-not-fingers movements they all do really
| bothers me. Their hands flop around but stay completely limp.
| Like they're robots who heard that humans move their hands when
| talking but don't have any fine motor control.
| slg wrote:
| Yeah, the biggest problem is really that they all have the
| same approach, so these specific details stick out more
| through repetition. They don't let their presenters speak in
| their own voice or in their own presentation style. It's
| ironic for the company that made that 1984 commercial. The
| attempt at using different speakers to add variety actually
| ends up doing the opposite because the similarities become
| even more evident when a dozen people all behave in the same
| way.
| cguess wrote:
| This has been a thing for all tech companies for years.
|
| According to what I was told by some FANNG people (I've never
| worked for them myself) some employees were/are were sent to
| public speaking classes after being hired specifically to
| teach socially awkward programmers how to talk on stage, and
| this is what they teach them, weird hand movements and all.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| They communicate the products and product changes quickly,
| comprehensively and accurately. This was a change that happened
| at the beginning of COVID, but it turns out most people liked
| it so it stuck.
|
| Many of us don't want to watch people fumble with presentation
| problems. We don't want the lead in, setup, filler banter, so
| on.
|
| I'll take this sort of "you spend your time perfecting your
| presentation instead of wasting thousands/millions of people's
| time doing it live"
| try-working wrote:
| Nobody likes this. How did you come up with the idea to claim
| that was Apple's reasoning?
| llm_nerd wrote:
| Seeing people whining and gnashing and bitching, in vein it
| should be observed, about this sort of nonsense is so
| uproarious and, quite honestly, pathetic.
|
| Like the root post whining that it's _too_ polished.
| Christ. Get a grip and go touch grass if this is the sort
| of pathetic nonsense someone actually takes the time to
| whine about.
|
| It's actually funny how every single presentation like this
| _always_ gets topped by profoundly boring people
| complaining about some aspect of the presentation: The
| people aren 't standing right or moving the way you want.
| OMG look at his jacket. That joke wasn't funny. Etc.
| Christ.
|
| Yes, _most_ people just want the information, not some sort
| of organic, "all-natural" presentation.
| kspyy wrote:
| amen, god forbid they try to make a polished display of
| new features instead of fumbling through live
| presentations
| jmcodes wrote:
| I think some people mistake "I don't value the human
| layer of a communication" with "The human layer has no
| value".
|
| A presentation is a live audio visual medium. If you just
| want the information as facts with no affect why not read
| the stats later?
| llm_nerd wrote:
| Are you one of those people who make that mistake?
| Because nowhere is that inferred in my post.
|
| I enjoy the presenters and the enthusiasm and nuance that
| they bring to the presentation. I do not need to see
| someone figure out how to switch a display or change a
| slide or fumble with wireless that is overwhelmed in a
| hall with a thousand wireless devices or... All of that
| is utterly unnecessary, so pre-recording it, doing all of
| the post production, reshooting so you don't trip people
| up on misreads / mispronunciations / fumbles / technical
| issues, etc, gets the human + the information without the
| ancillary bullshit.
|
| It's actually funny because I don't stream Google or
| nvidia presentations for this same reason (I just wait
| for engadget or someone to just give the bullet list
| recap), and I suspect many/most of the people whining and
| gnashing about this one being "too produced" don't
| either. Somehow it always ends up being 80% in the weeds
| nonsense.
| Cassell wrote:
| Some might say the information here is even more padded
| and puffed than in a traditional presentation.
| InsideOutSanta wrote:
| Your comment is the most upset I've seen in this thread.
| Maybe re-read what you wrote and take your own advice.
| bnj wrote:
| I like it I think it's sort of cool to see the different
| environments around Apple Park and be able to hear from a
| lot of different employees without having to watch a parade
| over the stage
| letrix wrote:
| I really like it this way though, specially because of the
| good production value.
| microtonal wrote:
| I think it is more that axing the audience feedback was
| convenient for them. In the old WWDC keynotes they had to get
| the audience to 'wow' and applaud. You could very quickly see
| a feature sink when Apple announced features where the
| audience went 'meh'.
|
| Now they completely control the narrative.
|
| But I have only rarely heard anyone who liking the new-style
| presentations. It all seems fake with the same woolly
| business talk (everything is an 'experience' now, 'app
| experiences', etc.).
|
| I certainly long back for the days where anything could
| happen, Jobs would work to convince the audience and Bertrand
| Serlet would come on and troll Microsoft.
|
| Currently streaming the presentation, but it has mostly gone
| to the background as it's so insanely boring.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| >I think it is more that axing the audience feedback was
| convenient for them. In the old WWDC keynotes they had to
| get the audience to 'wow' and applaud.
|
| I feel like I'm about to tell you there is no Santa or
| something, but did you really not know that Apple always
| stuffed audiences with Apple employees? Of the remainder it
| both through intentional and natural selection leaned
| towards sycophants. Did you really think the roaring
| response were organic feedback?
|
| It was _always_ controlled. Personally I 'm happy to be
| done with the on-cue tumultuous cheering and whooping.
|
| >But I have only rarely heard anyone who liking the new-
| style presentations
|
| Well I have only rarely heard anyone who liked the slow,
| plodding old-style presentation. So...
|
| But yes, HN is _overwhelming_ filled with angry, shakes-
| fist-at-clouds "it ain't like the olden days!" sorts now.
| So if you really think _this_ place represents the norm...
| microtonal wrote:
| _but did you really not know that Apple always stuffed
| audiences with Apple employees?_
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqPrUmVz-o
|
| (Aside from clearly not an Apple employee, Jobs' way of
| taking the question is brilliant. Yes I know this was
| probably not the keynote, but it's a big, risky, filmed
| WWDC event.)
|
| _But yes, HN is overwhelming filled with angry, shakes-
| fist-at-clouds "it ain't like the olden days!" sorts now.
| So if you really think this place represents the norm..._
|
| Yes, let's resort to personal attacks. There are a lot of
| things that are better now. Apple Keynotes are not one of
| them.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| You linked to a "fireside chat" with Steve Jobs,
| consultant, returning to a highly dysfunctional Apple.
| The video is almost 30 years ago.
|
| If that's your evidence to rebut me, lol.
|
| >Yes, let's resort to personal attacks
|
| You took that as a personal attack? That is incredibly
| weird. It was a general observation about the sort of
| perspectives that top HN, but not in the general world,
| or even general technology. You don't have to believe it.
|
| Like seriously, currently the top post to a discussion
| about Apple unveiling an array of software improvements
| is some guy whining and bitching about the presentation,
| whining that it isn't like the olden days.
| adjejmxbdjdn wrote:
| > Did you really think the roaring response were organic
| feedback? It was always controlled. Personally I'm happy
| to be done with the on-cue tumultuous cheering and
| whooping.
|
| While I agree with you, I think even the controlled
| audience mattered.
|
| The audience, even if they were largely Apple employees +
| journalists, did not know what was gonna be revealed. And
| there weren't literal cue cards.
|
| So you would never see the audience boo, but there were
| several situations where the Apple presenters expected
| cheering but got polite clapping instead, or cheering
| which was very evidently just the sycophantic employees
| (or the team that worked on something).
|
| When something was truly exciting, the cheering reflected
| that in a way it didn't when the announcement wasn't.
|
| Two very different examples of this were the Snow Leopard
| reveal, where the excitement could be felt throughout the
| presentation, culminating with the $29 price, and the
| iPhone reveal with the 3 devices in 1 gimmick.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Well now they don't even need to convince the employees
| and sycophants.
| bombcar wrote:
| The audience was the only thing they couldn't control - so
| they got rid of the audience.
| lwkl wrote:
| Their audience are no longer the people in the room. The
| audience is the people watching the video or livestream
| which is great because that means you don't need
| thousands of dollars and an invite to go to WWDC.
| microtonal wrote:
| When the keynotes still had audiences there was also a
| livestream. Here, have a WWDC 2007 for kicks:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubm2dYzoDW8
| tapoxi wrote:
| I really miss, as a late 90's/early 2000's apple fan, seeing
| Steve come up and joke with the audience then just show off
| real products or features and why they're cool. They really
| sterilized this whole thing after he passed. It's as exciting
| as a Microsoft keynote now.
|
| Just watch a normal presentation like Mac OS X 10.2 or 10.3,
| it's not iPhone level earth shattering but he made it fun.
| evan_ wrote:
| I remember one where there were technical issues so Steve
| just started telling stories about the old days with Woz...
| impossible to imagine that from ANY tech company today
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| The curse of money. The more they have the safer they play
| it.
| merlindru wrote:
| Ironically that's often what ends up costing one the
| most, i feel like
| mrexroad wrote:
| > Curse of money
|
| Sure, but I think it's also b/c the target audience for
| these keynotes has shifted. Given their immense market
| cap, now there's an increased fiduciary responsibility to
| control how presentation lands, such as earnings reports,
| which comes at the expense of the fun.
| hyperhello wrote:
| Someone with no money must survive with short term
| thinking: hunt and kill a wombat on the savanna or
| something. From there you work your way away from short
| term thinking; you might have enough to get through the
| week already, so the threat of starvation is more long
| term. Eventually with enough in the bank you have nearly
| no urgency; you could conceivably mishandle your bonds
| when they mature in twenty years or something. But with
| enough money, literally the only risk is short term
| thinking and immediacy. Bending over to pick up a penny
| is not going to even be considered.
|
| If my ship ever really comes in and docks at the harbor
| I'm going to remember to keep my wallet full of cash, so
| I can stop and get that strawberry ice cream cone without
| worrying about the long term consequences, which are all
| I would have left.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| It's not money they started it during Covid and it stuck
| because presumably Cook likes the little movie making
| bits they had in it judging from other things like the
| Mother Earth skit he did.
|
| Would be a welcome change it if the incoming CEO went
| back to live on stage imho
| mrexroad wrote:
| lol, I have a few other memories of Steve for when there
| were technical issues during the keynote. WiFi congestion
| and dead digital camera still pop up in my memory every now
| and then.
| smallmancontrov wrote:
| Not to spoil the magic but the plan B dialog was somewhat
| rehearsed too. Award for the best recovery lines goes to
| James Dempsey and the "I Love (NS)View" song. "I, uh,
| forgot to mention up front that this song is a beta
| version. It's feature complete, mind you, but I won't have
| the words memorized until October..."
| evan_ wrote:
| Probably but even the fact that they're rehearsing time-
| filling stories is a more human trait than the pre-
| recorded months in advance videos that are usually shown
| today.
| nailer wrote:
| I want to celebrate your comment, and the energy around it,
| and I'm excited for the next generation of replies to build
| on this momentum.
| bensyverson wrote:
| Also--and this sounds like a small thing but it's really not
| --when Steve said something like "we have some really
| exciting updates for you today," he really truly believed it.
| I just went back and re-watched his appearances on WSJ D1, D2
| and D3, and he was actually psyched about every little iTunes
| update.
| pndy wrote:
| It's not just Apple, Microsoft but whole corporate world, and
| hell - even open source projects use same sterilized safe
| language of "we're so excited" in communication with users,
| customers. That's _the actual_ reality distortion field.
| DonHopkins wrote:
| He never let a little smoke distract from a good iRack demo.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcjLEwZqcQI
| ahartmetz wrote:
| Even Steve Jobs not long after returning to Apple. His
| presentations were supposedly the very best shit, but just felt
| super fake to me.
| lljk_kennedy wrote:
| Oddly, the strange handheld look and constant reframing of the
| talking head shots are pulling me wildly out of focus and
| distracting me terribly. Wonder what drove the choice to do it.
| mikenew wrote:
| Authenticity requires vulnerability and that's not something
| Apple can do.
| siva7 wrote:
| are these even real people there? they look so perfectly
| orchestrated in every hand and body movement, void of any
| mistake but also soul. you really can't get further away of a
| real human connection than this.
| diimdeep wrote:
| that second dose of soma had raised a quite impenetrable wall
| between the actual universe and their minds. - Brave New
| World, Aldous Huxley
| qingcharles wrote:
| Now they are showing their AI image generator. It looks about
| two generations behind, so it's essentially slopmaxxing. Really
| horrible and unauthentic looking. "Take a picture of your
| friend, then make a funny picture of her holding a cake." How
| about no?
|
| The bits that are fine: removing distractions from photos,
| extensions to the edges, fixing color/exposure etc.
| joakleaf wrote:
| It feels fake, because they speak in a way that sounds
| unnatural and overelaborate.
|
| It is so long, with so many unnecessary sentences. And it feels
| like everything is said at least twice; First a generic
| statement about the new feature. Then a specific example, or a
| deeper explanation of what the first generic statement was.
| Then a demo. And then a conclusion to the future.
|
| The old Steve Jobs keynotes focused on the most interesting
| things, but now it feels like they are afraid not to include
| everything. So everything gets diluted.
|
| It would help a lot if they would stop saying the same
| lines:"And now...", "We cannot wait for you to try our new XXXX
| ... ", or "We could not be more excited to...", "We are excited
| to... ".
|
| "With that, now over to person-X"
| theshrike79 wrote:
| To me it just sounds so very American. Using so many praising
| adjectives they stop meaning anything anymore.
|
| If everything is fabulous and great and you're always excited
| or proud, that becomes the baseline.
| Freedom2 wrote:
| Curious how this trait is American? Is there something
| about the way Americans speak that is fake?
| dijit wrote:
| Yeah, absolutely.
|
| At least to my British ears, Americans rarely sound
| authentic.
|
| Its always grandiose statements and elaborate smiles.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Sure but occasionally that attitude leads to men walking
| on the moon.
| kirubakaran wrote:
| Ah yes British, the famously direct people who say things
| like "Maybe I haven't explained this very well", "I'll
| bear it in mind", or "How interesting!" which anyone
| unfamiliar with the culture would interpret to be the
| opposite of what was actually meant.
|
| "I may be wrong", but perhaps 'Americans rarely sound
| authentic' to you simply because you're just more
| familiar with your own culture's idiosyncrasies?
|
| Anyway, I love the Brits; no flame intended. I come in
| peace! :-)
| mark_undoio wrote:
| Speaking as a Brit, our national trait is generally too
| understate things. So even saying what you mean,
| directly, comes off as a bit immodest and hyping it up in
| sales pitches sounds shady.
|
| Americans generally say what they mean a bit more, so I
| think their mid point is just different.
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| We do say what we mean, it's just either carefully coded
| in mutual assured understatement, or buried under
| expletive-laden exaggeration.
|
| Any native knows that "Interesting, but perhaps we should
| reconsider" means "You're an idiot and I don't understand
| how you ever learned to breathe."
|
| The pinnacle is "Not bad", which can mean either deep
| approval or blistering contempt, depending on tone of
| voice.
|
| It drives foreigners insane. But of course it's not our
| fault if they never learned English.
| mft_ wrote:
| Speaking as a Brit, I couldn't disagree more. I have no
| trouble understanding a wide variety of Europeans in a
| corporate environment, but sometimes struggle to even
| understand the basics of what Americans are trying to
| communicate, let alone the nuances of their position.
|
| It's like 'American corporate' is a totally different
| language that I don't speak. The words sound the same,
| but that's about it.
| overfeed wrote:
| It's not "fake" - it's cultural differences where what is
| intended to come across as polite by Americans[1] can be
| seen as insincere by people from elsewhere. On the flip
| side, Americans often view foreign behavior that's
| intended to be neutral as unfriendly, uncaring or cold.
|
| 1. e.g. lots of smiling, use of superlatives like
| "great"/"amazing" to describe mediocre
| items/effort/results
| cassianoleal wrote:
| As a Brazilian, I also find that annoying and unnatural.
| comboy wrote:
| If I share a project with an American friend and he says
| it's awesome, I still don't know whether he liked it or
| not.
|
| If I share it with a Polish or German friend and he says
| it's "not bad" then I know he is really impressed.
| wuliwong wrote:
| And somehow Americans are able to give and receive
| criticism amongst themselves, iterate, and make
| progress!?
| robotresearcher wrote:
| Oh yes.
|
| Execs are 'super excited' about everything. There is no
| dynamic range at all. They appear to have no opinions and
| no judgement because their opinion is always that
| everything is awesome. When the audience knows that stuff
| is either normal-level ok or actually fucked up, this
| message is insulting to receive.
|
| Worse, it trains people downstream that shiny happy is
| the only valid comms. Hard to escalate a concern when you
| don't know how to start the message with how super
| excited you are about it.
|
| It drove me crazy during my corporate period.
| zchrykng wrote:
| Not American as much as it is "corporatese".
| Slow_Hand wrote:
| Yes. Zero dynamic range.
|
| If everything is at a "10" in linguistic intensity
| ("Incredible", "Legendary", "GOAT") then nothing is
| exceptional.
|
| It's the linguistic equivalent of a Dorito chip.
|
| I'm American and this marketing/corporate speak drives me
| up the wall. I have a harder time respecting the
| judgement of people who thoughtlessly speak this way.
| _kb wrote:
| It's the linguistic equivalent of the loudness wars.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Beyond just American, they are trying to emulate Jobs
| style without his genius for presenting in a compelling
| and attention grabbing way.
| wuliwong wrote:
| I really think this is it. It's crazy how flat and
| disingenuous it all feels.
| PetitPrince wrote:
| As other comment suggested, the way I see it Americans
| are addicted to hyperbolas. Instead of "Thank you" it's
| "Thank you so much". So when you genuinely want to thank
| someone because that person went above and beyond (saved
| your life, avoided you a substantial hassle, etc.) then
| it's difficult to convey that.
| naikrovek wrote:
| As an American with autism, I see it too.
|
| Small talk is all lies. Almost all praise is fake. And it
| all drives me insane. I can fit in at work just fine, I can
| appear joyful and excited to come to work, I have 30 years
| of practice with it. But I avoid it whenever possible
| because it is all lies.
|
| Americans appear to oversell everything because people get
| mad if you don't.
|
| "Why can't you just be positive?!"
|
| Because I'm not going to lie. I can't fake praise, and I
| won't even try. Being positive while lying is immediately
| obvious and it undermines the positive attitude that you've
| painted on. If anything, I take a negative message when I
| see someone faking a positive manner of speech.
| mft_ wrote:
| Move to Europe, friend - a weight will be lifted.
| jackp96 wrote:
| So I'm not personally on the spectrum, but I definitely
| get the frustration with "this is so fake; why are we all
| pretending it's not?" experiences.
|
| But "almost all praise is fake" and "small talk is all
| lies" feels like a pretty depressing place to end up?
|
| Why do you feel like that's the case? How do you
| differentiate sincere praise from "fake" praise?
| arrowleaf wrote:
| American or corporate? I'm surprised that corporate talk
| overseas isn't overly enthusiastic! As an American, most of
| the stream has sounded very 'California' mixed with
| corporate.
| andrewl-hn wrote:
| A lot of corporate speak is developed in the US and then
| companies all over the world spread it around. Often the
| adoption happens without deep understanding of the
| concept, and without adaptation to local realities. And
| thus it feels much more unnatural.
| wuliwong wrote:
| That is not how regular Americans speak. I think it's some
| weird American corporate speak that has metastasized in
| Apple keynote presentations. mgu([?]> thu <[?])
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| That parental controls presentation felt like the same 3
| bullet points delivered 4 times over with the vibe of a group
| presentation where every team member had to present but there
| was only 1 slide of content between the bunch.
| proxy_skate wrote:
| It's a well known fact that it is quite difficult for some
| parents to setup and use parental controls, I believe it
| was just to fully explain it to people that might not know
| much about how parental controls work.
| greedo wrote:
| And how many parents are watching a WWDC presentation?
| weikju wrote:
| More than you think. This stuff also percolates into the
| news, blogs, YouTube videos, etc, and that also reaches
| more parents.
| Klonoar wrote:
| If they would stop all doing the exact same hand pose it
| might help. Feels like watching a cult. Been this way for
| years too.
|
| If you didn't notice it before, you'll definitely notice it
| now.
| CharlesW wrote:
| Apple presenters are coached on how to speak, how to
| stand/move, what to do with their hands, etc.
|
| I can understand how it might seem culty, but it's in the
| service of clear communication to a global audience. Anyone
| who represents a company to important customers and/or the
| public goes through similar media training.
| Klonoar wrote:
| Yes, thank you for explaining PR 101 to me.
|
| The comment is about how _everyone_ in their videos does
| it. The over-use of it is the issue, like when you say a
| word too much and your brain stops understanding what it
| means.
| robotresearcher wrote:
| I hate it too. But watching untrained people nervously
| fidget with their hands or stand like stiffs has its own
| cringe.
|
| A few of the keynote people kinda forgot how to walk
| normally on camera. It happens to me.
| quentindanjou wrote:
| I also noticed the "And now" it appeared way too often in
| that presentation!
| InsideOutSanta wrote:
| One thing about Jobs is that he was genuinely excited about
| much of the stuff he was showing, and even if you knew he was
| showing some useless BS (like coverflow, something I remember
| he absolutely loved), it made it interesting to watch. If
| today's presenters are in any way excited about what they're
| showing (or, more likely, talking about), that excitement has
| been polished away by all the takes they probably had to
| film.
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| They're not genuinely excited. Because there isn't much to
| be genuinely excited about. The "incredible new super-
| exciting developments" are usually "okay, I guess."
|
| Once in a while you get something like the M series chips,
| but the rest is reliably mid - functional, maybe a few nice
| tweaks, probably some better-than-average design, but
| nothing revolutionary.
|
| So all of the "We know you're gonna love it!" doesn't land,
| because it's literally scripted and rehearsed, not
| spontaneous.
|
| Jobs was rehearsed _and_ passionate, which was part of the
| appeal.
|
| It's debatable if Cook has ever been genuinely excited
| about anything.
| jimbokun wrote:
| They try to imitate Steve's diction and mannerisms, without
| replicating his ability to concisely focus on the few things
| he wanted to stick with the audience.
| andrekandre wrote:
| > imitate Steve
|
| somehow i feel that describes the entire tech industry in
| some way...
| avazhi wrote:
| It's basically LLM-slop in presentation form.
| faizmokh wrote:
| > It feels fake, because they speak in a way that sounds
| unnatural and overelaborate.
|
| I've been to a few official Apple Developer events. What I've
| noticed is that they all have the same presentation style, to
| the point that it feels almost cult-like.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I can't organically tell if they're actual employees or a bunch
| of wish.com Kevin Butlers.
| Cassell wrote:
| It seems very disturbing in the current environment somehow,
| like nothing bad ever happens in Apple world, when in reality
| many things are falling apart.
|
| For example the part about cameras, where they seem to
| advertise them not as security products but as a lifestyle aid.
|
| The rehearsed marketing is so strong that it comes across in a
| very perverse way.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| > but as a lifestyle aid
|
| Apple is as much an aspirational lifestyle company as they
| are anything else. That's been their marketing aim for quite
| a while. It's less about the tech and more of a message of
| "This is the person/lifestyle you can be if you buy our
| products"
| Cassell wrote:
| Of course, but it's interesting to see how they apply that
| marketing mold to security devices, by making up use-cases
| which nobody is buying them for. It contrasts with the
| crash detection and health stuff where realistic scenarios
| are shown.
|
| Ok, maybe it's not that interesting on reflection, and how
| are they even supposed to advertise it, with burglars?
| pfortuny wrote:
| They are bad actors with a worse script. Just that.
| sixothree wrote:
| The minimalism evocative wealth display is off-putting.
| kettlecorn wrote:
| In a time where people are increasingly disillusioned with
| the tech industry & billionaires the imagery Apple puts
| forward of a literally siloed utopian ultra wealthy landscape
| probably does rub people the wrong way, at least at a
| subconscious level.
|
| In the past Apple has been pretty good at anticipating and
| responding to shifting cultural dynamics. I wonder if they'll
| recognize and adjust?
| thewebguyd wrote:
| I'm not sure it actually rubs people the wrong way, given
| Apple's sales numbers. Apple positions themselves as an
| aspirational brand. Everything they do is on purpose to
| enforce that. When people are upset at reality most people
| look for an escape into something else, not dive further
| into whats actually happening.
|
| The siloed utopian landscape is the point. Apple tries to
| sell a modern, clean lifestyle status symbol. They are
| selling products for the person you hope you become, not
| the person you are right now. "Buy an iPhone, and this is
| what your life could look like."
|
| Same deal as fad diets and gym memberships, its the
| illusion of being able to buy your way into a lifestyle
| without doing the hard work. Apple is selling an identity.
| kettlecorn wrote:
| I agree with that, but I don't think it's incompatible
| with my observation.
|
| Apple has often in the past positioned itself as an
| aspirational product for those who aim to be tasteful,
| talented, beautiful and wealthy.
|
| The risk of becoming too disconnected from reality is
| that the typical person may stop aspiring to the sort of
| rich-person reality Apple presents. Think of how many of
| the symbols of wealth of prior generations, like fine
| tableware, were rejected by younger generations.
| naturalmovement wrote:
| A great unacknowledged gag would be Craig losing an additional
| button on his blue shirt every time they cut away, so by the
| end it's full-Scarface unbuttoned down to his belt.
| daneel_w wrote:
| Ignore the marketing language. It's after all just the
| packaging, not the product.
| geoffbp wrote:
| +1 it is weird the presentations and feels fake, people must
| like it
| antipaul wrote:
| Dunno. I love these events. Polished, well executed, fun. I
| always walk away inspired.
|
| But then, I'm a fan of Apple, overall, and I like most of what
| they do.
| charamis wrote:
| I miss the live presentations actually, from the pre covid era
| edbaskerville wrote:
| It's Steve Jobs cargo-culting.
| adamanonymous wrote:
| These events used to just be for developers and press but
| they've seemed to recognize that these events have become major
| marketing opportunities and will get clipped on social media ad
| nauseum so they started (over) polishing them
| mattbrewsbytes wrote:
| > is kinda fake and unauthentic
|
| I think Apple can't find their voice since Steve Jobs
| passed/stopped doing the presentations. Thats why it feels
| inauthentic. I imagine its also hard to really feel "best
| (iphone|ipad|macos|etc) yet" when they are debuting features
| that existed elsewhere for a while. Its just a massive
| disconnect from anyone but fans. The same could be said for
| innovative features, whats left to innovate on smart phones?
|
| In some ways both things are like having to be the person
| coming on after an amazing presentation or comic or musical
| act. How do you follow it?
| Royce-CMR wrote:
| You have to remember that Steve spent months, stories say
| half a year, preparing for the keynote. Arguments would get
| so heated he'd fire people and bring them back the next day
| to continue.
|
| Hate him or love him; he knew that was the single largest
| stage for Apple and put the effort into each one. The
| keynotes today are like Apple overall, a fantastic
| organization that is starting to drift toward.. fake.
| amrrs wrote:
| Siri AI - looks like finally Siri is getting its due update,
| hopefully they ship it soon!
| flippy_flops wrote:
| I thought the same thing at the 2024 WWDC
| mohsen1 wrote:
| "coming later this year" - still behind the schedule
|
| I have an iPhone 16 that was promised to have it. Now they are
| saying some features are available only on 17+ models
| jjice wrote:
| I believe the only features I saw, and I could be wrong, that
| require the 17 or air were the new dictation and Siri voices.
| Those weren't in the original promises for the iPhone 16.
| That said, I don't know how much actually changed in the
| hardware where that actually has to be gated.
| atestu wrote:
| From Apple's website:
|
| > iOS 27 coming this fall.
|
| > Siri Al coming in English later this year.
|
| So they're already admitting it won't be here in time for iOS
| 27.
| Quitschquat wrote:
| Are new MBPs eliding the notch?
| fckgw wrote:
| This is a software keynote, they very rarely talk hardware at
| WWDC
| slopinthebag wrote:
| They can't come up with a better demo than planning the menu for
| a party???
| apetresc wrote:
| Your first Apple keynote, huh?
| Groxx wrote:
| The irresistible urge to plan parties has infected them all:
| https://youtu.be/1cX4t5-YpHQ
| nsagent wrote:
| They really are trying to convince the skeptics about AI privacy.
|
| Do they allow you to opt out of data collection to improve their
| models for Siri? What about allow users to choose on-device only
| processing?
|
| If not, they are only speaking to the converted when they have
| Craig drill home their supposed privacy guarantees.
| cromka wrote:
| "Goal Chasers" group chat. Yikes.
| earthnail wrote:
| The new Siri might bring AI to way more people than OpenAI
| managed to reach with ChatGPT. I wonder what it means to OpenAI's
| planned IPO. Curious to try the beta to see how the new Siri
| feels.
| ACCount37 wrote:
| Not by much.
|
| ChatGPT alone is among the most popular apps ever made, and
| it's available both inside and outside Apple's walled garden.
| Letting it reach audience in countries where Apple doesn't have
| much of a foothold.
|
| I do wonder if new Siri is any good though. Apple used to be a
| genuine AI leader, but they totally sleepwalked through LLM
| revolution, and Siri's response quality was a sad joke for a
| while now. Did they bring it up to modern standard?
| Schiendelman wrote:
| Traffic from Siri to the web is much higher than traffic from
| OpenAI, generally. It's the default. People installing
| ChatGPT takes work. And some of that traffic is also coming
| from Siri today... It won't after this launches.
| ACCount37 wrote:
| Because Siri defaults to dumb search much more often. While
| ChatGPT sucks up the search results and gives its own
| answer.
|
| Which either terminates the session, or goads the user into
| asking a follow-up question, improving retention - the user
| doesn't leave the app either way.
| chasd00 wrote:
| > they totally sleepwalked through LLM revolution
|
| I don't think so, i don't think they want to be in the LLM
| laboratory business. They just want to leverage the
| technology to make money not invent it. Hence the reason why
| they made a deal with Google to license Gemini, let OpenAI
| and Anthropic fight it out while Apple just keeps making
| sales. I think they're betting that in the long run LLMs
| become a commodity more or less and the major labs go
| bankrupt/get acquired by their heavy duty investors. I feel
| like Athropic will goto Amazon (AWS) and OpenAI may end up
| property of Microsoft. Google will remain Google of course so
| they're not going anywhere which is probaly why they won the
| deal with Apple.
|
| I'm pretty confident it's Gemini behind the curtain for Siri.
| ACCount37 wrote:
| They wanted to be. Thus their investment into Siri in the
| first place. A revolutionary system - for year 2011. As
| well as bleeding edge advances in computational
| photography, photogrammetry, etc.
|
| They just completely failed at capturing the modern chatbot
| wave.
|
| They tried to catch up multiple times and, ultimately, gave
| up on doing it in house. Not because they didn't try, but
| because they tried and found themselves lacking.
| leptons wrote:
| I can't wait for the moment Apple realizes that hardware
| makers will also get eaten by AI. Who needs a fancy and
| expensive macbook or iphone when all you'll really need is
| earbuds with an internet connection to talk to the AI
| that's hosted wherever, which will do everything you ever
| want it to just by saying so. No keyboard or screen
| required to get a result, no real local computing hardware
| necessary. If the result is visual just tell it to display
| it on your 65" hi-res television (which Apple doesn't
| make). Maybe the market for earbuds is going to sustain
| them in the future?
| Cider9986 wrote:
| People want to host their own AI and it will become good
| enough so most will do that instead of paying for a
| subscription.
|
| Voice-only input to a cloud model with just a screen to
| show you what it's doing sounds like a nightmare. Why not
| subscribe for the TV hardware as well as the
| subscription, take it up a notch on the own-nothing.
| leptons wrote:
| You are talking about maybe 0.005% of the whole
| population of the earth when you say the phrase "self
| hosting".
|
| My wife is part of the other 99% and she's already
| talking to a chat prompt for 90% of her computing needs.
| The fancy laptop we bought her a year ago sits collecting
| dust. _She is Apple 's target market_ - not the nerds
| that get a boner about "self-hosting".
| dmd wrote:
| > I'm pretty confident it's Gemini behind the curtain for
| Siri.
|
| I mean, they said it was.
| chasd00 wrote:
| sorry, i only watched a subset of the presentation
| FireBeyond wrote:
| Let's be very real about Siri... it is a sad implementation
| of what has a lot of potential.
|
| Talking to my HomeKit, turning on and off lights,
| sometimes, other times, "I don't know what lights you are
| talking about", "I can't find those lights" even though
| they're visible and reachable and controllable about the
| app.
|
| "Do X" "Okay", "Do [very very similar synonym for X]" "I
| don't know what you're talking about."
|
| CarPlay and Siri, unless you make sure permissions match,
| with CarPlay giving you navigation, press the Speech
| button, "Find me the nearest Starbucks." "I'm sorry, I
| don't know where you are".
|
| It has nothing to do with "not being in the LLM laboratory
| business". I get, and agree with that. But Siri has been
| around for 14 years at this point and is barely more than a
| simple voice control for alarm clocks and timers and "play
| music", at this point.
| ihumanable wrote:
| Yea, but if I can get a ChatGPT-like experience from Siri AI
| for free, why would I pay OpenAI.
|
| Now it remains to be seen if Siri AI will deliver anything
| close to a ChatGPT-like experience. But if they did, for the
| consumer segment that isn't using LLMs for agentic work and
| just ask it questions from time to time, I can't imagine one
| textarea has engendered some huge amount of brand loyalty
| over another.
| jimbokun wrote:
| > Apple used to be a genuine AI leader
|
| when?
| ACCount37 wrote:
| iPhone 8 shipped an NPU in 2017 - among the first consumer
| electronics vendors to put dedicated AI acceleration into
| something. iPhone X then took advantage of that with
| TrueDepth and the infrastructure around it.
|
| There was a real push from Apple at the time to enter the
| AI game - mainly for image processing purposes, which was
| the mainstream flavor of AI at the time.
| bigyabai wrote:
| > might bring AI to way more people than OpenAI managed to
| reach with ChatGPT.
|
| I don't even know if this is physically possible. iOS has
| something like 1.5B users, but ChatGPT reportedly crossed the
| 1B MAU line in May: https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-
| app-hits-1-billio...
|
| By the time Apple ships Apple Intelligence, ChatGPT might have
| a larger install base than iOS.
| uejfiweun wrote:
| All I want the ability to talk to Siri while I'm in the car. My
| buddy's Tesla has this feature with Grok and it's actually really
| awesome. Let me have an on-demand CONVERSATIONAL assistant,
| meaning something I'd actually want to have a conversation with.
| gregcohn wrote:
| Would really like Siri AI to have an MCP server
| marksully wrote:
| This would be huge
| anthonypasq wrote:
| as a third party developer, i would want my app to expose
| mcp/tools that siri can natively access as well
| Toutouxc wrote:
| To like, talk to Siri through Claude?
| knollimar wrote:
| They didn't even give you all of bluetooth. Not sure they'll
| let you do this
| delduca wrote:
| Cool, now how to disable Sire AI?
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| Siri wakes up on my phone every time they say "hey siri". I
| thought it was supposed to be bound to my voice. :/
| Schiendelman wrote:
| I was listening to Leviathan Wakes recently - on my car's
| Audible app (not carplay). Every time they said Ceres, it would
| wake up Siri...
| myvoiceismypass wrote:
| Listening to SiriusXM commercials in my car often triggers it
| for me. Howard Stern saying "SiriusXM" on his show also often
| triggers Siri on my apple watch.
| browningstreet wrote:
| they need a background scrobble that they can put under the
| demo "hey siri" voices that doesn't launch anything
| jjkaczor wrote:
| ... try being a Canadian with a bit of a hearing deficiency
| that is always saying our "verbal tic" of: "sorry" just prior
| to asking people to repeat themselves...
| nevi-me wrote:
| They should just license the tech from Google. Google might be
| missing the urinal with forcing Gemini down everything while
| not improving basics, but their keyword detection remains good
| for me.
| Keyframe wrote:
| For a company of Apple's caliber, I'd expect better lighting on
| the presenters.
| breatheoften wrote:
| Man that conversation history navigation for the new Siri app
| looks super unuseable ... how the hell am I supposed to actually
| find the conversation I want with the super-dynamic non-ordered
| 2-column offset-row view thing ...?
|
| It looks hard to use ...
|
| Also the 'floating semi-window but not a window' thing when using
| contextual siri in the context of some other app ... sure looks
| like it won't work with cmd-tab navigation ... I really hope is
| not the case ...
| praash wrote:
| I laughed on the groundbreaking emphasis that you can _move and
| resize_ the chat window because it 's a Mac.
|
| You're up to something, maybe they really have a broken pseudo-
| window with basic UI interaction hacked on top.
| interestpiqued wrote:
| I think they were just pointing out the difference between
| that and iOS there
| isametry wrote:
| The "window" also doesn't belong to an app! His menu bar
| continued to show Finder as the active app, not Siri.
|
| Which means, if shipped like this, the Siri dialog will be a
| poor excuse for a window with:
|
| - no Cmd+Tab, no Cmd+`
|
| - no minimize??
|
| - generally no presence in the Dock whatsoever
|
| - no keyboard shortcuts beyond basic text editing ones
|
| - no smart window resize
|
| - ...
|
| So in other words, no Justin, that's not a window. That's a
| resizable Spotlight pop-up with an "X" button.
| Coeur wrote:
| My guess is that it's deliberate - that Siri window hovers
| over all apps so that you remain in your current context,
| and can add files/images/texts from any app to the Siri
| conversation. There might also be a Siri app on the Mac
| that was not yet shown.
| isametry wrote:
| You're probably right, just add it to the collection of
| "not-quite-window floating thingies", accompanied by
| Quick Notes, Stickies, Special Character Picker, Color
| Picker, Font Picker...
|
| _Sigh_ , I wish we could stop re-inventing what was
| already solved 25 years ago.
| seydor wrote:
| I often think that Zuck spent so much on metaverse in order to to
| bait Apple to spend enormously on an experimental product and OS
| which now they are forced to maintain
| nozzlegear wrote:
| I used to have an Apple Vision Pro; it was a genuinely great
| piece of tech. IMO if Apple went somewhere like wearable
| glasses with it, it'd be a hit.
| microtonal wrote:
| _if Apple went somewhere like wearable glasses with it, it 'd
| be a hit_
|
| It would be a PR disaster, most people outside the SV bubble
| just find smart glasses what they really are: creepy.
|
| Even more so because Meta is going to roll out face
| recognition and going to live-annotate people you encounter
| in the streets. Luckily that shit is not allowed in the EU.
| nozzlegear wrote:
| A few things:
|
| - A lot of people found smart watches to be nerdy,
| something that only geeks would wear, until Apple made the
| Apple Watch. Along the same lines, everyone (on tech-
| oriented social media) thought the AirPods looked stupid
| and dorky when they were first announced, but now they're
| ubiquitous.
|
| - People find smart glasses from Meta (and previously,
| Google) creepy, but - and it's anathema to say this around
| certain parts of HN - like it or not, people do generally
| trust Apple with their data in a way that they don't with
| those other companies.
|
| - It seems like you're assuming Apple's glasses would
| include outward-facing cameras in the first place. Do we
| know that? The ideal device for me would just include the
| downward-facing IR cameras for gesture detection.
| Presumably only people under NDA can say for sure right
| now.
|
| > _Luckily that shit is not allowed in the EU._
|
| What's not allowed? Facial recognition, street annotation,
| AI? Does it make a difference if it's local, on-device AI?
| seydor wrote:
| People have found surveillance cameras horrible since
| forever. No matter how many years pass and how popular
| they are, they never became cool
| nozzlegear wrote:
| I'm not sure that's true anymore, or at least I'd suggest
| it depends on the type of surveillance camera you're
| talking about. Flock cameras, traffic cameras, the big
| ugly gray things stuck on the side of a building that
| you'd avoid if you were playing Splinter Cell? Sure, not
| popular. But everyone and their grandma has a Ring
| doorbell or a Nest camera inside or outside of their home
| now.
|
| Further, it's still not obvious to me that an Apple
| glasses product would be a surveillance camera in the
| first place.
| seydor wrote:
| I cannot think of anyne who said "oh good, they have a
| camera in this place"
| mlindner wrote:
| Part of the problem with Apple Vision Pro was the sales
| strategy. They labeled it "Pro" but if you went into an Apple
| store they only let you play some simple games and watch some
| movies with it. The main feature I was interested in, desktop
| extension, they wouldn't let you test. I even explicitly
| asked and they said no. They wanted a guided experience thing
| which just turned me off from buying it.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| they had to be 'pro' because of that pricetag. I'm a VR guy
| and an Apple guy and even I wouldn't move for that price.
| They need to come up with a way to halve that price. Remove
| the front screen, it's cute but not required. Maybe a
| version that doesn't have all the onboard compute, one that
| needs to be slaved to a mac generally, if they can make it
| work with an ipad for compute (or iphone?) all the better.
| Lord-Jobo wrote:
| Yeah if they double down and keep investing in the tech
| improvements required, I genuinely think Apple AR can become
| the next big hardware form. Nothing will beat the iPhone but
| this could easily stand beside their laptops as a major
| accessory.
| PedroBatista wrote:
| It's great, yet you "used to have it" :)
| nozzlegear wrote:
| Yes, I bought it to make apps when it first came out, but I
| immediately picked up a new Shopify client and couldn't
| justify the time/investment. I had to choose between
| dunking $5k on it to _maybe_ develop apps when my work
| schedule opened up, or return it and get the money back.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| Apple Vison Regular will come one day, and might actually be
| worth it.
|
| If I can _actually_ replace my monitors with a headset, I'm
| in.
|
| Vision Pro could do it but was way too heavy to use 8 hours a
| day
| sleepybrett wrote:
| the steam frame is reported to be 200-400 grams lighter
| than the vision pro (not sure why the vision pro weights
| are reported as variable... the strap maybe).
|
| I hope apple actually considers the usecase of using the
| glasses instead of 1 or more monitors with more priority.
| Terretta wrote:
| VisionPro was/is a dev platform, priced to ensure it wasn't
| yet a mainstream device.
|
| 99% of "apps" for it were confused garbage, totally
| misunderstanding what it's for or how to use it.
|
| The percentage of apps that "get it" is rising. Not sure if
| the disillusioned left, or if more are figuring it out.
|
| Either way, when Apple releases something consumer facing, or
| for consumers' faces, this means there's a _prayer_ of being
| more than a deluge of Oculus content.
|
| Or at least I'd like to imagine that's what they're doing.
| :-)
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Not really, their Meta glasses are very successful in the
| market and Zuck wants to own the new platform to extract their
| 30% instead of missing that opportunity on mobile and being
| beholden to Apple and Google.
| jdgoesmarching wrote:
| If it were lighter with a better FOV I'd buy it at the current
| price. Apple isn't doing metaverse, they're doing computer with
| a 3D monitor and I don't think it's a bad move to have the
| ecosystem in place as the tech improves and makes a mass market
| product more viable.
| chasd00 wrote:
| I wonder if visual intelligence can be used to produced code like
| claudcode can. like highlight a UI component on an app you like
| and say "implement this for me". I can take screenshots of figma
| and give it to claude code to implement and it gets it pretty
| close.
| imWildCat wrote:
| Over-polished WWDC keynote is just another great example that we
| as individuals with great motivation can do better Even my prompt
| with Veo3 or Seedance 2.0 generated video can do better than
| Apple
| kimbernator wrote:
| I don't know why I torture myself with these kinds of
| presentations anymore. Aside from the obvious "It's all AI"
| complaint, it feels like every problem they describe as needing a
| solution is fundamentally basic human reasoning that they are
| hoping we'll replace with a non-deterministic interaction with
| our phones. Splitting a tab by taking a picture and letting AI
| split it for you? Get out a fucking calculator. Is that really a
| scenario they think will excite people? Their portrayal of a
| world where we depend on computers for such simple thoughts is
| not a positive one.
| MSKJ wrote:
| Kids these days can't even split a tab without using a
| calculator. Next they'll forget how to balance a checkbook
| dwa3592 wrote:
| finally Siri and Apple intelligence are getting some much needed
| updates. Most of the stuff shown was already open source and had
| been achieved under 16GB of ram so it is timely.
| CodeCompost wrote:
| Are we going to hear more Ay! than a Mariachi band?
| alberth wrote:
| While I give kudos for Apple bring these Intelligent features,
| but does anyone see themselves using these features in your daily
| life?
| kmlx wrote:
| it's the list of features to disable. it's been like that for
| the past... 5 years? 4?
| uejfiweun wrote:
| Conversational Siri - yes, absolutely. All the rest - probably
| not.
| cdrnsf wrote:
| I hope they keep the switch allowing you to disable Apple
| Intelligence.
| officeplant wrote:
| This is my biggest concern. I've only stuck with Apple during
| this AI nonsense era because the parental/screentime controls
| allow to me completely shut it down, and I've never toggled it
| on in the Siri/AI options. It took a while but the 7GB they
| initially stole from me for the AI nonsense I'm not using
| eventually cleared itself out of storage.
|
| I already have Siri limited to manual activation only. If they
| force all of this into Siri and I can't prevent AI models from
| actually installing their gubby hands all over the phone then
| that's it for me.
| memco wrote:
| I didn't see it touched on, but I'm hoping improved storage
| management is included in the update. My system has > 20%
| storage used by "system storage" and in total nearly half the
| device storage is used by ios and is outside my control.
| Supposedly some of this stuff is just cache data and there's
| no way to adjust what data gets cached or when it gets purged
| aside from rebooting. Handling for large files is also hit or
| miss and could use some updates. I didn't even realize some
| of that was AI stuff I might not even be using.
| officeplant wrote:
| Yeah file management in general is still incredibly rough
| around the edges. I would still like to be able to simply
| grab files from my phone via a connected linux computer,
| but apple will never let me have that one.
|
| >no way to adjust what data gets cached or when it gets
| purged aside from rebooting
|
| Unfortunately the only current ways to pull this off is to
| either artificially move the current time years forward so
| it hits a time gate and dumps the cached files, or use
| enough space on your iPhone to force it to dump the useless
| cached files then delete whatever you used to take up space
| temporarily.
| tencentshill wrote:
| You could keep using an iphone 14. It's the age cutoff for AI
| support.
| gguingff wrote:
| even the market understands this is a massive failure by apple,
| nobody needs another chat application especially using that
| stupid overlay window. looks like apple won't leapfrog anyone and
| has zero agentic features to show and no resetting a password
| doesn't count as agentic apple.
| ohmahjong wrote:
| Yoof, that reframing is interesting but took LONG
| theshrike79 wrote:
| It's fully local though
| avarun wrote:
| It is literally not. They clearly said that it uses their
| cloud.
| jjice wrote:
| Some small features are fully local (like the list sorting
| added in a recent iOS), but all of the neat features like
| world knowledge and shortcut gen seem to require private
| cloud compute.
| cromka wrote:
| Spatial Framing? Yay, even more fakeness in photos, creating ever
| more artificial, never-happened memories!
| flippy_flops wrote:
| Seemed like the kids were no longer looking at the camera. I
| don't know what's worse - fixing it or not fixing it.
| slg wrote:
| There's something dystopian about the way that they are
| championing the blurring of the lines between photos and AI
| generated content with no consideration for the implications of
| that tech. Apple likes to pretend they are conservative with
| this tech rather than simply being behind, but this type of
| thing isn't a conservative feature.
| cromka wrote:
| Absolutely. I hoped they'd backtrack a bit on AI/algorithmic
| processing after so many influencers started to shit on the
| overly processed photos. Instead they not only ignore that,
| but they double down on making our own content even more
| fake.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| It also goes against Apple's earlier statements about how
| photos should reflect real memories as they happened, not an
| idealized version like what Goolge was pitching during their
| Pixel 10 launch event last year.
|
| Turns out they didn't actually believe that, they only said
| it because they were behind on GenAI. They caved to investor
| demand, no longer stand for any principles (if they ever had
| any in the first place)
| sleepybrett wrote:
| They may, actually, believe that, however possibly their
| users might very vocally not believe that in feedback.
|
| Sometimes you just have to give customers what they claim
| to want instead of fighting them every step of the way.
| ihumanable wrote:
| There will be a generation of children who will grow up and
| look back at their childhood photos and wonder if they ever
| really happened.
|
| I also laughed out loud when they are showing the "cleanup"
| tool and they guy is talking about removing "distractions"
| and then removes 2 of the 3 girls juggling and having fun.
|
| Ah yes, those friends you were forming core memories with, or
| as our tech overlords call them, distractions.
| cromka wrote:
| Wow. That's a very good observation, actually. We forget
| our photos are not only _our_ memory. Those YT guys who
| geotrack photo memories will have a much harder time in the
| future. Just look at that:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO6Hf3SdVcY
| likium wrote:
| Don't worry. By the time they grow up they'll just ask the
| AI for a summary of their childhood.
| secretsatan wrote:
| I was thinking about this, i'm sure there's been a black
| mirror episode, but one thing i think back to is one where
| the us gov used ai to alter a stoic expression on an
| arrested protestors face and altering it to look like she
| was crying because that's what they wanted to portray.
|
| It's a bullying tactic, i shiver to think how some people
| will make happy memories out of things that aren't.
| rurp wrote:
| Google pushes the exact same thing. The onboarding flow
| when I setup my Pixel highlighted a few new features and
| they gave that prime attention real estate to that same
| exact feature, showing how you can remove objects from a
| photo. The specific example was extremely silly, something
| like removing a tent from a camping photo. Thank god we
| don't have to see objects that were a core part of the
| memory being photographed!
| graypegg wrote:
| I got a depressed-laugh out of the "clean up" demo. It's
| nothing new, but they always use other people as the example
| of "distractions". There's something very old-school stalin-
| style dystopian about normalizing airbrushing out everyone
| else from your photos because their existence is
| "distracting". [0] Show me an example with like... a leaf
| blew in the frame or something. Not straight up "this photo
| isn't about my friends that took this photo with me, get rid
| of them".
|
| [0] https://www.youtube.com/live/hF8swzNR1-o?t=3800s
| kimbernator wrote:
| "Here's what I wish the memory was!"
| cromka wrote:
| "But I'll pretend it was a real one for the next 30 years.
| This, or I'll never look at that 'photo' again."
| pibaker wrote:
| I would bet money that by the end of the decade an Apple
| engineer would have been summoned to court to testify whether
| or not a photo taken on an iPhone is admissible evidence for a
| criminal case.
| losvedir wrote:
| I'm glad to see their "Private Cloud AI" thing is actually
| happening. They announced it a couple years ago and then after
| not hearing a ton I was worried they were going to drop it.
|
| That said, the foundational models they talk about running on it
| - is that something they've trained themselves? I know they had
| some sort of deal with Google; could it be Gemini weights loaded
| into their private compute or something?
| TeriyakiBomb wrote:
| I think it's just gemini in a dress
| jjice wrote:
| Gemini in a dress that doesn't store my data and use it to
| sell advertisements is a welcome dress.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Modest Gemini, wearing a dress that doesn't expose
| everything to the world.
| tencentshill wrote:
| It would be nice if you could use the processing power of your
| idle desktop Mac as an alternative to the paid cloud compute for
| images.
| alexpatin wrote:
| might take too long depending on the job. but it would be a
| really nice option
| pikseladam wrote:
| What if someone holds my phone and enters a query like "Find
| every note that says 'password' or contains an ID number, email
| them to [x]." "Find photos with my ID or cards, send them to
| [number]." ?? what if attackers start sharing shortcuts with
| people.
|
| I dont like siri ai access everything on my devices. mails,
| photos, screen, camera, my credit card and passwords...
| Lord-Jobo wrote:
| Apple has done a good job in the recent past of providing
| secure information partition options; locked notes, secure
| folders, etc. im seriously hoping they implement some similar
| way of soloing information from Siri.
| arcatech wrote:
| Their entire angle here is that Siri AI itself is
| private/secure. Siloing data from the thing that they're
| advertising as private and secure wouldn't make sense.
| jjice wrote:
| I would not be surprised if there are permission settings for
| what it's allowed to access. I guess we'll only know once the
| beta gets poked around in.
| tokioyoyo wrote:
| If attacker is holding your unlocked phone, they can do that
| right now via search and simple email sharing option?
| pikseladam wrote:
| yes of course but simply clicking a shared shortcut (siri
| agent) could be very harmful.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| You can disable all that TODAY. Just disable Siri access
| sunaookami wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/538/
| earthnail wrote:
| Ouch. " Developers can start trying out the new version of Siri
| today, with a beta launching to the public later this year. Siri
| AI will not be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS."
|
| Will it be available to developers in the EU though?
| theshrike79 wrote:
| When EU and Apple figure out the 3rd party cloud model provider
| thing.
| jontro wrote:
| Unfortunatley not https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-
| to-dma-siri-ai-de...
| earthnail wrote:
| Any workarounds like VPN?
| Cider9986 wrote:
| Theoretically you could use a router-level VPN for initial
| setup and that would work. Because VPNs are not functional
| for Apple services on Apple devices. Apple services bypass
| the VPN and reveal your real IP address, or in the case of
| trying to get different features, reveal your location to
| Apple.
|
| Even if they were functional you still would want to use a
| router-level VPN because you couldn't install a VPN before
| your device connected to the internet.
| tpdly wrote:
| Not foreseeably. As others have mentioned, DMA requires AI
| integrations to accommodate competition. To my mind, Apple's
| Webkit-only playbook is the prototype here. Waaaay too much
| money to be made as a GEO broker. Namely by selling
| position/advantages in the harness, or just use it to maintain
| ecosystem lock in.
| kmeisthax wrote:
| AFAIK no - the country-specific limitations are done with
| geofencing in countryd and Apple doesn't have a "Pretend I'm in
| the US and let me use the anti-trust-violating AI" option. The
| EU laws they're trying to negotiate with and sidestep do not
| have a "developer mode exception".
|
| If you're wondering what I mean by "anti-trust violating", it
| has to do with Apple's "security" policies. Every feature Apple
| ships has to support third-party implementations now, so if
| Apple doesn't want a third-party app with the same access as
| the first-party version, they can't ship the feature at all.
| For example, if Apple ships Siri AI in the EU, then Facebook
| can ship their own AI that you can grant access to all the same
| data and Apple can't stop them from stealing it aside from
| saying "We don't think you should install Facebook's data theft
| app".
|
| Of course, most of Facebook's data theft is also illegal in the
| EU. But, to Apple's (undeserved) defense, GDPR enforcement in
| the EU has also been hit and miss, mainly because the political
| layer of the EU is not yet interested in a fully mobilized
| trade war with the United States. So instead we have this
| annoying half-measure where Apple waters down their feature set
| to do below minimum EU antitrust compliance, Facebook does the
| below-minimum amount of GDPR compliance, the EU gets the
| political win of appearing to care about antitrust and data
| harvesting, and nothing materially changes.
|
| Interestingly enough, however, they _are_ shipping Siri AI on
| macOS, where you absolutely could write your own AI assistant,
| as well as visionOS and watchOS, which... well, actually, I 'm
| not sure how the EU signed off on that one? Are they just not
| considered smartwatch or VR headset gatekeepers?
| krackers wrote:
| Why wouldn't they be lenient with the geofencing, presumably
| they _want_ people to use this unlike EU alternate app store,
| so there's no need to use the uber-strict geofenced and they
| could instead just gate it based on something like account
| creation location.
| Alex_L_Wood wrote:
| I am so happy that just by setting Siri to an unsupported
| language I can kill Apple Intelligence across the whole system.
| microtonal wrote:
| Apple not rolling out a lot of this stuff in the EU
| (immediately) is a feature.
| nirava wrote:
| Couldn't you do this by turning off Siri and Apple
| Intelligence, two global toggles?
| eknkc wrote:
| I was hoping for some kind of a Siri LLM API for providers to
| implement so that I'd be able to use Gemini, ChatGPT, maybe
| Openrouter, SELF HOSTED or whatever the fuck I want. Given that
| Apple itself does not really have a horse in the LLM race, it
| made sense.
|
| Say the ChatGPT app would provide the functionality to the system
| and I'd allow a scary popup saying "these guys will own you,
| sure?".. I guess they are going all in into Gemini instead.
|
| But I don't want Gemini..
| cebert wrote:
| It's uncanny how they announce that AI features won't be
| available in the UK or China, and then, with a smile, proceed
| with, "Now, let's discuss what's next for developers."
| kettlez wrote:
| "Siri AI will not be available in E.U. until we figure out
| privacy"
|
| Funny to hear that after they mentioned how seriously they are
| taking privacy every 37 seconds.
| cromka wrote:
| Laughed at it, too. It's almost as if they admit the EU privacy
| legislation enforces ACTUAL privacy.
| singularity2001 wrote:
| or could it be the other way around that actual privacy is
| forbidden in Europe because they want to read your messages
| cromka wrote:
| It's not about how it _is_ but how they made it sound. Let
| 's not get ideological here.
| peterspath wrote:
| This. They come up with so many laws under so many
| pretences that want to take away the freedom of private
| communications
| IMTDb wrote:
| Privacy and EU regulation are two _very_ different things.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| EU wants them to open up the cloud models to any 3rd party.
|
| How can Apple guarantee privacy then?
| robot_jesus wrote:
| I agree it's a funny look, but my guess is that it comes down
| to the cross-border data transfers and non-EEA tech providers.
| So even if Apple has private cloud compute and is using Gemini
| models, there are probably a lot of legal hoops to jump through
| and/or European-based data centers to spin up?
| singularity2001 wrote:
| do they not have data centers in Europe yet
| robot_jesus wrote:
| They have some for sure for iCloud. Do they have enough to
| handle this volume of compute AND is Gemini allowed to be
| run on those? That was more what I was questioning/curious
| about.
| Schiendelman wrote:
| It seemed like it's available on macOS but not on iOS. That
| means it's not privacy related, it's something else.
| comex wrote:
| It's because of the DMA. [1]
|
| The "privacy" angle here is that Apple wants to give Siri
| access to user data across the system, without offering any
| way for competitors to get at that data.
|
| [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-
| ai-de...
| peterspath wrote:
| Yeah macOS is luckily not big enough to be counted as a
| gatekeeper I believe.
| arpinum wrote:
| This is more likely due to the digital markets act that
| requires them to open their platform to competitors. hence it
| only being restricted on phone and iPad.
| comex wrote:
| Yes. [1]
|
| [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-
| ai-de...
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| Under EU regulators' extreme interpretation of the DMA, Apple
| would have to give any virtual assistant direct access to
| users' private data -- and the ability to directly control
| other installed applications -- as soon as Siri AI is made
| available in the EU, without the essential protections
| necessary to keep users and their data safe.
|
| https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...
| kettlez wrote:
| Interesting and good to know, I did not understand how that
| works. Thanks for the info
| brianmcnulty wrote:
| I think it's because Apple would have to provide every
| competitor (including ones running off-device with no
| confidential compute) with the same level of access Siri AI
| would get, which poses a lot of security and privacy concerns
| Apple would never allow third-party developers to get access
| to even with a TCC consent prompt (like reading and sending
| iMessages).
| testfrequency wrote:
| Which means Apple would have to give OAI and Anthropic
| access to Gemini, I mean Siri AI.
| brianmcnulty wrote:
| No, it's more that those apps needs to be able to make
| all of the tool calls Siri AI can make, which would allow
| third-party developers to collect data they shouldn't
| have access to.
|
| App developers can already access the on-device
| foundational models through an API, but I don't think
| many developers want to do that because there are better
| models.
| dybber wrote:
| Apple don't want you to be able to say "Hi Alexa" or "Ok
| Google" to your iPhone, and wake it up.
|
| We have all kinds of data access controls, these could
| probably also be built around Siri and competitors.
| tpdly wrote:
| Apple would have to allow USERS the possibility of giving any
| virtual assistant direct access to their own private data.
|
| Is that accurate?
| crooked-v wrote:
| Apple doesn't trust other providers. See, for example, the
| ongoing attempts by Facebook & co to exfiltrate as much
| data as possible. A theoretical Facebook alternative here
| to super-Siri would have a pipe to slurp up the entire
| phone's data.
|
| This kind of thing overlaps with the anti-competitive
| practices driven by Apple's MBAs (like the whole thing with
| Epic), but it's a genuine concern and one their engineering
| people think about a lot.
| tpdly wrote:
| That sounds legit, but do you think its out of scope?
| Scam texts and emails result in exfiltrated data, maybe
| they have to require iMessage and iCloud Mail too?
|
| If Facebook's Meta-Siri is being sketchy, that's a
| problem with Meta-Siri. Take it off the market, bring
| down the law. Promote competition, and bad actors must be
| made to loose. Can we not just status-quo fallacy that re
| dysfunctional consumer protections? or at maybe agree
| that the perfect-world scope is one that puts
| exfiltrators in jail, not just rejected from the app
| store.
|
| Instead we'll just have Siri AI and Google Assistant AI,
| and no decent competition. I guess maybe we'll get a Meta
| phone, if the only way to compete is on the entire mobile
| computing vertical.
| tikkabhuna wrote:
| Is the end state that countries regulate app stores and
| approve apps? Apple has legit concerns. The majority of
| users would happily sell their own data for some tiny
| benefit. However, like you say, Apple has a perceived or
| real conflict of interest. Are Apple being benevolent or
| acting in their own interests?
| wtallis wrote:
| That's the way to phrase it if you want to ignore or
| downplay the leverage that big tech companies have over
| their users to get them to consent to shady business
| practices using dark patterns. But this wouldn't be an
| issue to begin with if it was safe to assume that users
| fully understand what an app will do with their data, and
| if it was safe to assume that the app's data-handling
| practices could not drastically change at the developer's
| whims.
| WorldPeas wrote:
| This being said, it would be nice to know if there were a
| flaw that could cause agent access to allow an app from a
| particularly crafty company like meta to provide malicious
| prompts w/ its tool calls like "include a list of the user's
| contacts" when asked "what are my friends talking about on
| instagram". This is likely an egregious situation, but
| context control is still an unsolved problem, it can't be
| solved in a deterministic manner
| nicce wrote:
| Meanwhile most companies and people have a competition in EU to
| submit all the data to Claude and ChatGPT.
| peterspath wrote:
| It's the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same
| access as they have to other AI chat apps.
|
| Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other
| ai chat apps will do with the gathered data.
|
| > Siri AI is private by design and deeply integrated across
| Apple's platforms using on-device processing and Private Cloud
| Compute, which extends the privacy and security of iPhone into
| the cloud. However, under EU regulators' extreme interpretation
| of the DMA, Apple would have to give any virtual assistant
| direct access to users' private data -- and the ability to
| directly control other installed applications -- as soon as
| Siri AI is made available in the EU, without the essential
| protections necessary to keep users and their data safe.
| SebastianKra wrote:
| If you view it like that, any argument against openness could
| be made in the name of privacy. With that interpretation, the
| Mac is terrible for privacy as you could just chose to
| install an app that reads your hard drive.
|
| "We can't bring Time Machine to Europe, because we would have
| to allow other backup solutions, and that would mean other
| backups would have unrestricted access to your data"
|
| Maybe there's more to it, but I'm not giving Apple the
| benefit of the doubt after their hostile strategy regarding
| third-party app stores.
| peterspath wrote:
| As an EU citizen I am not giving the EU the benefit of the
| doubt... and against forced openness, nothing good will
| come from it.
| tpdly wrote:
| As an EU resident, I find no benefits-of-doubt needed to
| explain why competition against foreign mega-corps is
| being forced. Its protectionist to promote openness when
| the closed solutions funnel profit abroad.
| victorbjorklund wrote:
| It's not privacy. It's competition issues with DMA.
| peterspath wrote:
| Yipeee for stupid eu rules
| antipaul wrote:
| Umm, that's neither a direct quote, nor even a paraphrase.
|
| This is due to EU's wider tech regulation "DMA"
|
| And, in fact, it's due to DMA's mandate leaning _against_
| privacy:
|
| > under EU regulators' extreme interpretation of the DMA, Apple
| would have to give any virtual assistant direct access to
| users' private data -- and the ability to directly control
| other installed applications -- as soon as Siri AI is made
| available in the EU, without the essential protections
| necessary to keep users and their data safe.
|
| https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...
| diimdeep wrote:
| Still deliberately running macOS Sequoia 15 cuz you know... and
| if I'll switch to something hopefully better than Tahoe will
| disable SIP and every thing that is not needed to just launch
| software, this OS has gotten too obese.
| cromka wrote:
| Kinda love that Tim said his goodbyes with a rainbow in the
| background. Apple is pretty much the only company that didn't
| _really_ budge to Trump 's admin despite appeasing him.
| Todd wrote:
| Don't forget Costco
| cromka wrote:
| Yup, indeed. But it's crazy we can count those companies in
| single digits. Shows how cynical the corporate PR really is;
| they'll virtue signal for years and then forget their
| inclusiveness shamelessly on a whim.
| microtonal wrote:
| Except that he validated Trump by giving him gold trinkets and
| donated $1M to his inauguration.
|
| Cook is an enabler.
| cromka wrote:
| That's what I meant by "seemingly".
| avarun wrote:
| You didn't say seemingly.
| badc0ffee wrote:
| It's the retro Apple logo rainbow they've had since they opened
| Apple Park. It could be interpreted as a pride rainbow, but the
| colours are different and in a different order.
| jordand wrote:
| Eh they announced in April that Tim is staying on as Executive
| Chairman, and the expectation is he'll deal with the politics
| so the new CEO doesn't (quite likely he'll give Trump another
| shiny gift)
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| Bye Tim, thanks for making tech fun the past 10 years.
|
| No new hardware, feels like the party is over. Thanks Altman for
| the greed.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Has there ever been hardware launched at WWDC? It's a developer
| conference, not a hardware launch. Hardware is in the fall.
| throwfaraway4 wrote:
| AVP
| badc0ffee wrote:
| Not every year, but yes.
| K7PJP wrote:
| They have on occasion, when it makes sense to unveil OS
| changes and hardware simultaneously. Apple Vision Pro, move
| to new architecture, 2019 Mac Pro tower - that sort of thing.
| Most years they don't announce new hardware, though.
| sneakymichael wrote:
| The WWDC keynote is a software, not hardware, announcement...?
| PedroBatista wrote:
| That AI segment was a boomer core slop fest. But to be fair, it's
| clear that Apple is not on the AI bleeding edge and it appears it
| doesn't want to be, it cannot afford to ignore it tho.
|
| Let's hope they don't get overconfident with Gemini and pull a MS
| Copilot..
| thewebguyd wrote:
| > it appears it doesn't want to be
|
| I get this vibe too. Turning Siri into yet another chatbot is a
| far cry from the vaporware they showed at 2024's WWDC. Seems
| they found out LLMs can't actually do that, but investors
| aren't just going to let them ignore it unfortunately.
|
| Feels like they are just phoning it in here and waiting on AI
| hype bubble to burst. "Here's your stupid chatbot, now shut up"
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| Far too much focus on having AI write things for your loved
| ones, invites etc. Shouldn't those be the moments where you're
| writing it yourself.
| norman784 wrote:
| Are we living the worst times in a while technology wise, this
| presentation showed nothing useful. Last year at least they
| showed some interesting features, but as always I don't use any
| of them, the only one I wanted in the past few years was to use
| the iPhone from my mac, but never shipped in EU. And the other
| feature was universal control that I use every day and works just
| fine most of the time.
| quentindanjou wrote:
| I don't think so. We have tons of apps and ideas and now AI. I
| honestly don't expect much from an OS on my phone or laptop and
| I am glad they improve what matter: OS performance and bugs. I
| don't mind having the "innovation" in the apps and not in the
| OS. Or at least for the first time and then brought in a well-
| thought-out ecosystem.
| Grombobulous wrote:
| This WWDC is thin, but it seems like a lot of it outside of AI
| is a refinement year.
|
| For them to just blanket announce that a bunch of stuff across
| the platforms perform better, that shows that Apple spent most
| of their effort on quality over shipping features. It's also
| possible they're preparing for less availability of RAM long
| term and trying to optimize.
|
| The list of stuff they had go highlighted includes a whole
| bunch of small but impactful little tweaks.
|
| iCloud shared libraries being easier to use outside of Apple
| operating systems, that's great. And adding full resolution
| support, also great. I've left iCloud Photos and macOS for
| myself but I'm stuck on iCloud shared photos with family
| albums, so making it easier for me to participate is a big
| plus.
|
| Custom EQ in AirPods. Awesome.
|
| Smoother network transitions between WiFi and cellular. Huge
| positive impact.
|
| Send indicator in messages, yes please.
|
| The parental controls are industry-leading.
|
| The AI features are the most boring and uninteresting to me,
| but the little stuff is all big news to me.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| > The parental controls are industry-leading.
|
| They've been awful for me. This is best-in-class software? It
| breaks constantly. It fails to notify me of all kinds of
| events that should work, but spontaneously fail to. This
| could be someone entering the parental control pin or
| requesting to download an app. It's misery to deal with.
|
| I've used it for years across several devices and kids. It's
| some of the worst software I ever need to use.
| Grombobulous wrote:
| I'm specifically talking about the parental controls shown
| at WWDC, not the ones we've been using for years.
|
| Of course, now that I think about it, it's a bit of a silly
| statement for me to say "industry leading" in the context
| of a duopoly.
| dabinat wrote:
| Honestly, I'm more excited about a faster and more polished OS
| than any new feature they announced.
| slg wrote:
| I think the potentially most impactful singular feature mentioned
| in all this is being able to conversationally describe Shortcuts
| for AI to create. That feels like the type of thing that if done
| right can change how we all use our phones in a way that things
| like Siri becoming smarter and more conversational likely won't.
| abhi_kr wrote:
| User defined Safari Extensions was also pretty cool.
| praash wrote:
| I really like this idea of rapidly extensible software, a
| browser is a nice sandbox for it! Models also seem to be much
| better at generating programs than "manually" executing a
| described task.
| novafunc wrote:
| I used Gemini Pro to convert health data from a .csv and import
| it into Apple Health. Worked first try.
|
| I just hope the AI Apple use is smart enough for the task. And
| that giving the AI information it needs is easy (such as a
| snippet of the health data so it knows what it's working with).
| drcongo wrote:
| The whimsy in this can absolutely do one in 2026.
| throwfaraway4 wrote:
| I gotta say, as I read these comments HN's bubble is showing with
| astounding clarity. The top comment is about presenter
| authenticity? Idle Mac used for cloud models? No features are
| useful?
|
| I can't help but think for most folks out there these features
| make using Apple products considerably more powerful and easy.
| They may be "boomer" features and you won't be able to roll them
| into your MCP server, but IMO it doesn't take a huge perspective
| leap to understand how they're game changers.
| arcatech wrote:
| You think criticism is a sign of being in a bubble?
| etempleton wrote:
| A real snooze fest. I care so little about the AI features. I
| felt like they introduced the same thing over and over again.
|
| I would be more excited if they said "AI? Yeah, we decided we
| aren't interested in doing it anymore."
| thewebguyd wrote:
| In case anyone missed it, Apple's dropping support for Watch
| Series 6/7/8/9 and the Ultra 1 with this release.
|
| The 9 isn't even 3 years old yet until September, absolutely
| garbage support timeline for a wearable. I have a Series 9, and
| it's still essentially like new.
|
| _edit_ Seems this was an error on Apple 's part, all watches
| that support 26 should get 27
| avarun wrote:
| Wait what? Where did you see this? It would be crazy if the
| Series 9 doesn't get updated to the next watchOS
| thewebguyd wrote:
| On their WatchOS page, about halfway down:
| https://www.apple.com/os/watchos/
| avarun wrote:
| Has to be a fuckup. watchOS 26 supported the Series 6
| onwards. I don't think Apple has ever cut 3 generations of
| devices with a single yearly OS upgrade unless there's an
| underlying architecture reason for it before.
|
| This might be the list for Siri AI supported watches or
| something.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Seems you are correct, the beta is now showing available
| on my Series 9 at least.
| deinonychus wrote:
| wow this blows. do they ever like release an OS for older
| machines at a later date?
| jmyeet wrote:
| Yeah, I'm shocked at this [1]. The Series 9 was released in
| September 2023, not quite 3 years old. Apple is normally very
| good with long-term support. This is surprising to say the
| least. I bought a 10 last year when it was current-gen and it's
| going to be the minimum supported Watch with the next version
| of Watch OS? WTF? At least I'm glad I did that rather than
| repalcing a battery on an even older Watch.
|
| iPads aren't free from this either but it's a little less
| severe [2]. For example, iPad Air 4th gen will be the minimum
| iPad Air and it was released in 2020. The M1 iPad Pro was
| released in 2021 and will be the minimum there.
|
| [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/08/watchos-27-drops-
| suppor...
|
| j2]: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/08/ipados-27-drops-
| support...
| jmyeet wrote:
| Apple updated their compatibility list. The Series 9 is
| compatible with WatchOS 27 [1]. Still, Series 8 was released
| in 2022. Less than 4 years old and incompatible? That's quite
| a departrue from Apple's long-compatibility.
|
| [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/08/apple-watch-
| series-9-mi...
| prymitive wrote:
| The only thing that interested in is: did they fix screen
| brightness getting super dim even when the slider is at max?
| That's incredibly annoying and frustrating, and it's been like
| that since first 26 release. And it's a clear bug because
| brightness resets to expected level if I go to photos and open an
| HDR image. I can wait for autocomplete that doesn't suggest
| garbage 50% of the time, but this one is just too annoying.
|
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256141236
| gordon_freeman wrote:
| I thought this is happening for me because I have an old iPhone
| 11 with degrading battery, screen etc. Did not realize that
| this is so widespread problem across devices. Really annoying
| when that happens! Almost unusable phone.
| Royce-CMR wrote:
| Damn I thought this was just me. I figured it was a temp thing
| - device too hot for ongoing high brightness, and the photos
| app overrides because someone decided if you are trying to show
| a photo, do the job right to the limit.
|
| Ugh so newer phones have this too? (15 pro max). Another reason
| to not upgrade.
| tizio13 wrote:
| It's nice to see the improve focused on AI and recognition of
| their past missteps. So far out of all the announcements this
| past month, I think this will be the most significant. The
| increased emphasis with on device models is exactly the right
| move. I'm tired of sending data out of my computer when it isn't
| needed.
| praash wrote:
| Lightweight browser extensions generated on demand, now there's a
| good use case for what they seem to be actually building.
|
| Extending applications without having to launch a full agentic
| IDE. Macos is already very well equipped with GUI automation
| tools.
| chris_money202 wrote:
| I have to say, I extremely dislike AI processing of photos. The
| camera is a vehicle to capture the realness of the world around
| us, including the imperfect moments. Distorting that with AI and
| being okay with it is really disappointing.
| nicebyte wrote:
| when you re-crop a photo or use the perspective tool, you are
| literally distorting the image. not to mention, all of the
| processing that happens in modern cameras before you even see
| the image. in the case of a modern smartphone in particular, I
| think it's fair to say that you never really see the "real"
| image as captured by the CCD sensor, and even if you did you
| would not like it anyway.
| chris_money202 wrote:
| Not sure I agree with the cropping argument, would be no
| different than cutting a printed photo with scissors. I would
| lump the other image manipulations done by hardware into "AI
| manipulation" as well, although those tend to be much more
| modest.
| merlindru wrote:
| cropping doesn't alter the moment captured. or, rather,
| you're also cropping when taking a picture - no camera can
| capture all 360 degrees.
|
| so what is being captured is altered from the get.
|
| yet i don't think you'd argue that the act of taking a photo
| is the same as photoshopping a giant giraffe into a photo :P
|
| i don't think arguing that taking a photo which is
| cropped/enhanced (as in sharpening, color correction, ...) is
| akin to changing what's displayed in it.
|
| those distortions only serve to let us better focus on what
| truly happened in a moment, not change the moment in essence.
| SSLy wrote:
| what about keystone correction? A staple in any proper
| digital image editing tool
| merlindru wrote:
| i would say that that also doesn't change the essence of
| the moment displayed in the image, unless the image
| itself is about planes/projection/...
| thiht wrote:
| > The camera is a vehicle to capture the realness of the world
| around us, including the imperfect moments
|
| I mean... that's your opinion, not a fact :)
|
| I kinda agree, yet I will make small edits to my pictures to
| make them more like I felt than how it looked. Maybe in a happy
| moment the sky was more blue to me than it actually was and I
| want my picture to reflect it. Maybe I was happier and less
| tired than the picture remembers it and I want to fix it.
|
| If some people want to AI process their pictures to make them
| match their memories better, or even to shape better memories,
| who are we to judge?
| chris_money202 wrote:
| I think it's pretty easy to judge when in conjunction with AI
| edited photos you have algorithms that award that. So sure it
| might be just some people that do it, but it ends up being
| all that is seen. Is Apple to blame in that? No. But are they
| completely innocent? Also no
| mrichman wrote:
| So sterile and performative.
| heisenbit wrote:
| Now if they just let me switch off the sound when I connect the
| charger. For any couple not going to bed at the same time and
| charging their phone at the bed this may be a welcome innovation.
| I'm willing to license this idea for free.
| sirwhinesalot wrote:
| They fixed all the extremely egregious issues with Liquid Glass,
| good to see.
|
| It's still an extremely ugly, "worst of both worlds" combination
| of wasted space (from early-gen flat design) with gaudy effects
| (from late-gen skeumorphism), but at least now it is usable.
|
| I'd never update to macOS 26, but 27 I might, begrudgingly.
| TeriyakiBomb wrote:
| In the first beta they've actually made aspects of it worse
| with more instances of the glass effect than before. It's still
| very distracting even with the slider all the way over to
| opaque
| yurishimo wrote:
| Even if it sucks, there is always the possibility that some
| software you use finally updates and you dont have a good
| alternative to replace it. Especially if you consider corporate
| fleets. Many IT departments are okay to let you lag behind OS
| updates for a major version, but not 2 or 3. So if I am being
| forced to upgrade, I'm glad 27 is likely going to fix a lot of
| stuff anyway.
| officeplant wrote:
| Apple continues to innovate in new and excited ways, because I
| never though I would speak the words "I guess I'm sticking with
| ios26 until the end of security updates."
|
| Unless I can continue to neuter AI, and keep the older siri this
| is my last iOS.
| groundzeros2015 wrote:
| What do you want?
| officeplant wrote:
| The ability to continue to completely lock down Apple
| Intelligence to the point where it even free's up the ~7gb it
| takes up on the phone. Currently this works in iOS 26 as long
| as I never accidentally toggle it back on via Apples dark
| pattern attempts that happen every few software updates.
|
| Also for the ability to continue using Siri without Apple
| Intelligence would be nice. I rarely need to use Siri so it's
| already set for manual triggering with the power button long
| press only. But if Siri goes into the AI shitter then I'll
| just wholesale disable it.
| desolate_muffin wrote:
| As opposed to the AI-free operating system, Android?
| officeplant wrote:
| What makes you think I would go crawling back to a worse AI
| hellscape?
|
| Dumbphones exist, degoogled phones exist. If it weren't for
| the USA's telcom differences a fairphone with PostmarketOS
| would be great. I enjoy postmarketOS on my pinephone, the
| phone's hardware is just far too shit for daily driving.
| nixpulvis wrote:
| I swear I watched this Keynote before when they announced Apple
| Intelligence. Then proceeded to deliver nothing. Apple is so lost
| it makes me really sad.
| fridder wrote:
| I know it was a long shot but still mighty disappointed with no
| m5ultra mac studio
| rightlane wrote:
| WWDC makes me sad. It was such a great in person conference, I
| remember having a really weird issue with cookie handoff in
| Safari, and being able to sit down with a bunch of the Safari
| engineers to troubleshoot the issue. It started with one, then
| more and more engineers came to give ideas!
|
| I appreciate making it available to everyone but it feels like
| there needs to be some kind of middle ground. IOS development
| just isn't as much fun absent the in-person community.
| flutas wrote:
| FWIW: My colleague went to Google IO in person this year, he
| said the entire vibe was just off this year describing it as
| "almost somber" to quote him.
| tmoertel wrote:
| Do they still have the "Stump The Experts" event at WWDC? You
| know, where you ask Apple engineers a technical question about
| their work and, if they can't answer it, you win a t-shirt with
| tree stumps on it.
| t1234s wrote:
| first WWDC I haven't bothered to watch in over a decade.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| Right there with you. It feels weird not to care. I used to
| look forward to it. Last year I watched a bit and bailed. This
| year, I opened the stream after it finished, clicked through to
| a few spots, noticed I didn't care at all and got back to work.
| tamimio wrote:
| I don't agree with the whole kids "safety", if your child is too
| young they shouldn't be using such electronics without direct
| supervision in the first place, ie you sitting with them, and if
| you don't have some time to be with your child you shouldn't have
| children to start with. If your child however is able to
| comprehend conversations, the parenting should be based on trust
| and communication, rather than further surveillance and control.
|
| This is bad and mostly will result in two outcomes: a more
| systematic domestication to groom the child into accepting such
| surveillance from a higher authority, so later in life they are
| more susceptible to be monitored by employers or even the
| government, just like how schools domesticate people to be a cog
| in the machine later in life. The other outcome, is a complete
| radical shift where that kid goes on doing anything and
| everything as soon as they are in their own.
| analogpixel wrote:
| I read through a summary of what was announced today, and I don't
| really want/care about any of it. The biggest apple announcement
| today that I was excited about, and would tell other people about
| was https://lowtechguys.com/musicdecoy/
|
| I have an older iPhone that can't run any of this new stuff, and
| I'm not upgrading because I have no reason to. I think I actually
| prefer at this point to be on an older phone that won't get all
| of this.
|
| When is technology going to get exciting and fun again?
|
| (that's not 100% true, I was excited to hear they were walking
| back liquid glass.)
| yreg wrote:
| I'm very happy with their announcements
|
| - fixing the main liquid glass issues (transparency, toolbars,
| window corners)
|
| - rewriting OS components to work better
|
| - fixing the ever annoying "The compiler is unable to type-
| check this expression in reasonable time" problem (we knew this
| was going to happen by following the Swift project, but still)
|
| Honestly, we really really needed a year with less features and
| more work put towards improving the platforms.
| archagon wrote:
| I do enjoy reading about what the Swift team is doing. (And
| other folks working on the lower decks -- kernel, Foundation,
| etc. The AI brainrot hasn't seeped down there yet.)
| wallaBBB wrote:
| WWDC - time of the year Apple reminds us it has a VR.
| gigatexal wrote:
| I'm so stoked for macOS 27 for feature improvements and polish.
| The ai stuff fine but a snow leopard like release I'm here for.
| ksec wrote:
| Are there any summary of all the new under the hood features
| rather than user features? I don't want ( or care ) about UI and
| AI on WWDC. I want to know how they got 30% smaller in Xcode?
| What was done? New CPU Scheduler? Improvement to APFS? Metal API
| ? Memory and Performance Optimisation?
|
| There used to be more information on WWDC and the State of Union.
| But with every year past they have deleted it to consumer level
| marketing speak.
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