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Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent
Author : mooreds
Score : 178 points
Date : 2026-04-16 14:51 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| ceejayoz wrote:
| Ooof. Yeah, this is not a good sign. I enjoy Laravel (and even
| Laravel Cloud), but this clearly doesn't belong in Boost.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| "How dare a guy work on technology for 1.248 million minutes,
| take VC funding gambling that he can improve the ecosystem for
| everyone using it, and then have the _audacity_ , the
| _unmitigated gall_ , to ask me to _consider_ his products with it
| only taking one minute for me to opt out!"
| ceejayoz wrote:
| https://x.com/taylorotwell/status/1534178479201259520
|
| I really don't think he's hurting for funds.
| monooso wrote:
| The headline wasn't "Taylor Otwell bought a Lambo in 2022 and
| now injects ads...".
|
| VCs typically want a return on their 57 million dollar
| investment.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| > VCs typically want a return on their 57 million dollar
| investment.
|
| And people warned about this when they announced it.
|
| This is a sign those warnings were valid.
| hiccuphippo wrote:
| And that's the start of the enshittification.
| embedding-shape wrote:
| > that he can improve the ecosystem for everyone using it [...]
| to ask me to consider his products with it only taking one
| minute for me to opt out
|
| Seems you misunderstand the issue. Anyone not deploying to
| Laravel Cloud but using that project seems to be impacted by
| this, even going so far that agents are confused about it and
| keeps insisting users should deploy to Laravel Cloud instead.
|
| Maybe I'm a grumpy old developer, but that does not sound like
| "improve the ecosystem for everyone using it", sounds like good
| old spam taken to the next level.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Yes, you're a grumpy old developer.
|
| Taylor Otwell has been full-time on Laravel since 2015. 260
| work days per year, 8 hours per day, for a decade = 1.248
| million minutes.
|
| And you're complaining it's spam that he's inconvenienced you
| into adding a sentence to your agents file. This, right here,
| is why I will never write open-source software of any
| significant size.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Laravel has been apparently profitable for quite some time;
| they've long had a paid ecosystem with things like Forge,
| Vapor, paid components, etc.
|
| I don't think it's unfair to be wary of the shift to VC
| funding and stuff like this that really feels like it
| wouldn't have been a thing prior to that.
| sixhobbits wrote:
| He has no obligations to us as we did not pay him, but we
| also have the right to call out stuff we think is wrong as
| he didn't pay us
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| That's called a parasitic relationship. Think about it:
|
| 1. I have the right to take as I please
|
| 2. I have the right to criticize the giver as I please
|
| 3. The giver has zero right to take from me in any way
|
| I think that's morally repugnant. If this is what open
| source means, I'm joining Microsoft and I will be the one
| writing the Halloween papers.
| cwillu wrote:
| If you don't like it, don't release software under that
| license.
| embedding-shape wrote:
| If you think somehow publishing FOSS means you get some
| right to decide how people use it, or anything besides
| the licensing of the code, you severely misunderstand
| what exactly FOSS is about.
| sixhobbits wrote:
| I think I'm saying the opposite on point 3. He has no
| _obligation_ to us and has full rights to 'take away' as
| he sees fit, but we still have the right to give our
| opinion about that process, and to make comparisons and
| contrasts with other similar products that are run
| differently
| diehunde wrote:
| You should use seconds to make it even more dramatic
| embedding-shape wrote:
| > And you're complaining it's spam that he's inconvenienced
| you into adding a sentence to your agents file.
|
| I don't care how something happened, I care about the
| results. If you do stuff to my tooling that makes it less
| efficient, I'm gonna not like that, regardless how many
| minutes you spent on something, or if it's FOSS or not.
|
| If you can't handle feedback from developers about what
| you're doing to their environment then please, do not write
| and publish open-source software, you'll be doing us all a
| favor.
| jlarocco wrote:
| He didn't have to give it away for free and turn to adware.
|
| I understand that he wants to get paid for his work, but he can
| charge for it like everybody else. No need to be a asshole by
| building the product for "free" and then bundling ad-ware.
| FatherOfCurses wrote:
| "How dare people want to spend a portion of their lives not
| being advertised to."
|
| There are plenty of ways to promote your product. Injecting ads
| into agents and PR's is not the way to do it.
| mns wrote:
| It's the way he's doing it. The entire ecosystem is just one
| giant ad for various paid projects. It's one thing to offer
| paid services, there are users out there that want to use them
| or need to use them, that's not the issue. From my perspective
| Laravel became a huge ad with purposely bad documentation that
| ends up directing unknowing users into using features,
| libraries and products that will lead them into paying for
| things that they might not need. Everything in Laravel recently
| is set up so that users folow documentation and best practices
| to end up using whatever subscriptions and paid products they
| offer (and then in some case pull the plug on them and come up
| with something new, abandoning whatever UI library they made
| people buy 1 year ago).
| rdiddly wrote:
| Free and libre and open source are all different things, and
| the confusion thereof can lead to mismatched expectations.
|
| It's not wrong to beg for money, but I'm also not going to
| joyfully tolerate a hassle because of gratitude or appreciation
| for past decisions the beggar made without my input.
|
| Tip: Nobody can meaningfully conceptualize or care about the
| number of minutes. "Ten years" would've been fine, and more
| convincing.
| shevy-java wrote:
| We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE.
|
| I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left
| reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate asked
| for donations via a daemon. I pointed out that we now need to
| undo pester-ads added by KDE developers. Lo and behold, I was
| cancelled on #kde reddit. I still think we need something like
| ublock origin but for EVERYTHING, not just the browser. ublock
| origin is great for browsers, but there is a lot more that should
| be filtered away; take bad UI choices made by upstream, not even
| an ad. Some software allows fine-tuning, where the user can
| customize the project a bit (firefox UI for instance, you can
| modify it). We need this on the whole operating system level, not
| just the browser. That way, as a convenient side effect, Laravel
| could no longer abuse users like that.
|
| I live an ad-free life (well, digital life ... in reallife I
| still get pointless ads shown). I think every human being should
| have the option to not have to see ANY ads. The more the industry
| complains about it, the more I censor away such ad-monsters.
| LogicFailsMe wrote:
| Every time tech invents something amazing, the enshittification
| follows shortly thereafter.
| p4bl0 wrote:
| I also block ads everywhere I can, but I have to admit that an
| open source project such as KDE showing _once a year_ a simple
| text notification asking their users to consider making a
| donation has nothing to do with a commercial ads in my opinion.
| mwalser wrote:
| I'm using KDE as my daily driver and haven't noticed any ads so
| far. Where can I find these pester-ads?
| p4bl0 wrote:
| The notification only exists since Plasma 6.2 (august 2024)
| [1]. Maybe some Linux distribution disable it?
|
| [1] https://pointieststick.com/2024/08/28/asking-for-
| donations-i...
| mwalser wrote:
| Ah, thanks for the link.
|
| While I don't remember seeing the notification, I think a
| yearly (!) system notification doesn't exactly qualify as
| pestering.
| master-lincoln wrote:
| I guess they mean this https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-
| workspace/-/merge_reque...
| woutervdb wrote:
| I agree that there's a strong need for ad blockers nowadays. I
| also use uBlock Origin on all my browsers. But I'm not sure if
| a world that is completely devoid of advertising would... work.
| Advertising (in some form) is a necessary evil, I think.
|
| Any business needs customers to make revenue and, well, exist.
| So any business needs to have some way to make themselves known
| to potential customers.
|
| In the case of Laravel, they offer an open source framework
| completely for free, and pay for the development man hours
| through their commercial offerings, e.g. Laravel Cloud. That
| commercial offering is not bad: they offer a very smooth way to
| deploy your Laravel project. In order for the offering to make
| any revenue, potential customers need to know that it exists,
| at least. They're still free to choose whether they want to use
| that commercial offering, or if they want to deploy their
| project on their own.
|
| Previously, making sure people knew Laravel Cloud existed was
| done through the Laravel home page. But nowadays more and more
| people "consume" a framework's documentation through their AI
| tooling, and they no longer visit the home page.
|
| In a comment [0], which is conveniently being left out of both
| TFA and most comments on HN, the maintainer even explains that
| the addition was not meant as a literal advertisement, but as a
| way to make sure new users of the framework at least _know_
| that they can deploy their application on Laravel Cloud. And
| they are even actively asking for suggestions on how to
| rephrase the addition so that the AI Tooling does not see it as
| "you MUST use Laravel Cloud" gospel.
|
| [0]:
| https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758#issuecomment-42589...
| hparadiz wrote:
| I agree with you about the KDE ads. I also complained about it
| on Reddit and was downvoted for it. There are way more
| appropriate ways to communicate this information that isn't a
| desktop notification.
| rglullis wrote:
| Great. Let's remove all ads and end up all and any form of
| subdized work. Now, tell me how much you will be contributing
| to KDE?
| shevy-java wrote:
| By the way, one quick comment:
|
| > By contrast, Ruby on Rails is backed by a foundation that
| launched with about $1M from sponsors like Shopify and GitHub.
|
| So, not disagreeing on this being an issue for Laravel abusing
| users, but in particular the role of Shopify in the ruby
| ecosystem is, in my opinion (and that of many others) a net-
| negative. Look at how many ruby developers got ultimately fired
| when rubygems.org (ok, not rubygems.org but RubyCentral, but they
| now control rubygems.org and the main moderator on ruby reddit is
| an employee of RubyCentral, thus a conflict of interest exists
| now on ruby reddit) decided it must become a shopify-corporation
| project only.
| sixhobbits wrote:
| Author here, I was actually surprised to learn this too. I
| reached for Ruby and Django as examples of non commerical
| frameworks and before writing this I didn't know about the $1M
| backing either.
|
| I guess I'd have a hard time turning down that kind of money
| for something I cared about so no judgement to the creators who
| make the choices but I do think it's something we need to
| understand the effects of as community members
| artursapek wrote:
| Avoid VC funding at all costs
| guizadillas wrote:
| Here's the change if anyone is interested:
| https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758/changes/589394c44a...
|
| For me it is not the right move, one thing is letting users know
| Laravel Cloud is an option and another one is removing any
| alternative from the text
| otikik wrote:
| > Do we let people feed ads to our agents?
|
| "Our" agents?
| password4321 wrote:
| I love this. Let the clankers pay the bills.
| pinter69 wrote:
| Interesting, thanks for the reference. I wonder what other
| products do this
| ptdorf wrote:
| Another one bits the dust.
| boothby wrote:
| When the early adopters start pushing neural implants they'll be
| ad-free. Not long after your boss insists that everybody needs
| neural implants for the sake of productivity, they'll be ad-
| supported but moneyed developers will be able to opt out. The
| terms of the ad-free service will continue shifting, so nothing
| is ever really ad-free for long, and ads for better neural
| implants are promotions not ads right? But y'all are working on
| neural implants because if you don't, somebody else will, aren't
| you
| mgraczyk wrote:
| Except this hasn't happened with electricity, cars, washing
| machines, smartphones, smart watches, Bluetooth headphones, ...
|
| Not all technology is bad
| ceejayoz wrote:
| It has absolutely happened with those things.
|
| Cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sceLsLkQf7A
|
| Fridges: https://fortune.com/2025/09/19/samsung-family-hub-
| refrigerat...
|
| I'm not aware of a smart watch doing first-party ads yet.
| mgraczyk wrote:
| I didn't list fridges because I've seen ads there, but
| these seem to have gone away in newer models (people don't
| like ads)
| ceejayoz wrote:
| My washing machine's app (LG) has ads, recipes, rewards
| programs, etc.
|
| I think the main thing preventing it on the device itself
| is they haven't thus far needed a large screen to show
| them on.
| lexicality wrote:
| Recipes? For washing clothes?
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Yes. LG has a wide line of appliances, so the app has a
| recipes section.
| DonsDiscountGas wrote:
| The existence of a single crappy car does not mean all cars
| are crappy
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Sure.
|
| But the existence of a single crappy car establishes very
| definitively that a crappy car can and does exist.
|
| Do _you_ think Samsung 's the only company that's gonna
| play with ads on their smart fridges?
| mgraczyk wrote:
| It's not a good reason to be skeptical about cars as a
| technology (and by analogy brain computer interfaces)
| ceejayoz wrote:
| I think it's pretty solid evidence profit-driven orgs
| will shove ads anywhere they can, regardless of how good
| that is for users.
| monooso wrote:
| If only it was just a single crappy car.
|
| https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/a
| rti...
| mrweasel wrote:
| True, but you can't affort the none crappy one
| eventually. Basically everything in modern society trends
| towards either cheap, but shitty, or excellent, but
| insanely expensive.
|
| Our problem is that the used to be a huge middle segment,
| where you'd pay extra, but you got better quality. That
| middle segment has more or less disappeared, because it
| requires a fair bit of volume to be sustainable.
| Initially we, as in society, got lured in by cheaper
| prices, and reasonable quality, supported by savings in
| running super markets vs. a butcher, efficiency gains or
| subsidizes, maybe in the form of an ad here or there.
| Once we started expecting lower prices, quality started
| to go down, but restarting the "pay a little more, for
| better quality" segment isn't easy.
| dgrin91 wrote:
| Electricity I don't know how you could deliver ads through,
| but if someone could think of a way I bet they would. If
| everyone knew Morris code I bet they would make the lights
| flicker in Morris code for a discount.
|
| Modern cars with connected infotainment systems are always
| trying to upsell you
|
| Washing machines I dont know of anything at the moment, but I
| wouldnt count it out.
|
| Smartphones/watches? Aren't those just ad delivery
| mechanisms? Not to mention tracking? Its a core foundation of
| modern ad technology
|
| Headphones are not thank god, I hope it stays that way
| mgraczyk wrote:
| I've never seen an ad delivered through any of these
| things. On smartphones I mean the phone/OS itself
|
| It would be very easy to deliver ads via electricity. The
| utility could require you watch an ad before using more
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Or via your smart thermostat.
|
| https://sense.com/consumer-blog/with-your-permission-
| utiliti...
|
| (Morse code messages via your flickering lights would be
| a hilarious app, and I'm somewhat reluctant to mention it
| here before someone gets VC funding to actually try it.)
| recursive wrote:
| > It would be very easy to deliver ads via electricity.
| The utility could require you watch an ad before using
| more.
|
| That does not sound very easy to me. That sounds barely
| possible.
| mrguyorama wrote:
| It's trivial
|
| Lots of poor people have in residence electricity boxes
| that require prepayment for usage. In the olden days you
| put a coin in to turn on the power, but nowadays they
| have _apps_ and digital payment solutions!
|
| They might _already_ have ads in those apps...
| daheza wrote:
| Alright let me put on my evil corpo hat. Wait it was
| already on.
|
| Headphones that inject ads is a great idea but we need to
| make that a better proposition. Lets say that these
| headphones have an AI integration which parses all sound
| and converts it to text, then we can run it through our AI
| to give helpful comments. We may even wait until no sound
| is playing to inject them (for now). We can add ads later
| once it becomes helpful. Imagine you are listening to a
| podcast / youtube video then you get a helpful voice give
| additional research and ideas. Like a friendly research
| agent on your shoulder.
| mysterydip wrote:
| Also more subtly, we can detect what music is playing and
| "slightly modify" the tunes of bands not part of a label
| owned by a Trusted Partner to sound worse.
| jdeibele wrote:
| That's a great Freudian slip.
|
| Morse code - dots and dashes for characters via light or
| telegraph or radio
|
| Morris code - Robert Morris wrote the first internet worm
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm
| pc86 wrote:
| > Electricity I don't know how you could deliver ads
| through
|
| Even if you could, electricity is a utility with laws
| against disconnecting it in certain circumstances, even for
| nonpayment, and the internet isn't. So unless someone is
| going to make the argument that neural implants are
| utilities, ads injected into them seems like a pretty fair
| bet unless there is legislation not only making it illegal
| to do so, but making it illegal to make an implant even
| capable of receiving or displaying one. At least with that
| even if they repealed the law you'd be safe if you already
| had the implant.
| monooso wrote:
| Modern cars gather a truly shocking amount of data about
| their "users", which is then sold to all and sundry,
| including those wishing to sell you products.
| TYPE_FASTER wrote:
| My LG dryer was using wifi to advertise an extended warranty
| for itself.
|
| Then it broke, maybe I should have bought the warranty?
|
| I bought a simpler model without wifi this time.
| mgraczyk wrote:
| What are you talking about, in what way is this supposed to
| be an argument about ads? It sounds like your dryer broke
| ceejayoz wrote:
| The "buy the extended warranty" thing is clearly an ad.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| And this is how it'll look like: https://vimeo.com/166807261
| kstrauser wrote:
| I love and hate that movie.
| ivraatiems wrote:
| I think this was the plot of a Black Mirror episode?
| boothby wrote:
| When I started playing Shadowrun in the 90s, I thought neural
| implants were cool and I wanted to get one. Around the time
| Google started buying up ad companies, I realized that the
| hardware in my head would never be mine. But yes, I think
| Black Mirror has done an excellent job with these topics.
| lamasery wrote:
| In the '90s I was ready to jack in. More computers, and
| getting me closer to them? Awesome.
|
| By the 20-teens I was repulsed by the idea and kinda hated
| computers.
|
| Today if you put a magic button in front of me that'd
| permanently un-invent the Internet, good odds I'd press it.
| lelanthran wrote:
| Futurama too (The Eye-Phone, or something).
|
| It's the plot of many a dystopian scifi story.
| nhubbard wrote:
| Correct, but they stylized it as "eyePhone" (from MomCorp,
| the all powerful, caring conglomerate), and that episode is
| the origin of the famous "Shut up and take my money!" meme.
| loloquwowndueo wrote:
| Yep.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| This was a throwaway line in the 1995 novel The Diamond Age.
| The thug knew a guy who had a spinal implant(?) which got
| hacked and now the guy saw ads across the bottom of his
| vision for life.
| ourmandave wrote:
| Blink twice to Accept the Terms and Conditions.
| AyyEye wrote:
| Neuralink and OpenAI were started months apart in the same tiny
| building. Draw your own conclusions.
| loloquwowndueo wrote:
| There's a black mirror episode about this.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)
| nextaccountic wrote:
| The real problem here is capitalism. The system needs consumers
| to spend more and more. A system where nobody profits from you
| consuming _more_ of something wouldn 't have this particular
| failure mode
| disqard wrote:
| I don't know why you're being downvoted.
|
| So, lately I've been trying to decouple AI from Capitalism,
| and it's starting to explain a lot of things, like:
|
| * excessive hype
|
| * doing layoffs, and scapegoating AI
|
| * pushing AI into everything (Copilot)
|
| * etc.
| pjc50 wrote:
| You'll never see a neural interface ad. You'll just have always
| been a Pepsi drinker. It's right there in all your favorite
| childhood memories, after all.
| MarcelOlsz wrote:
| I only had to wait 8 years but I can finally text my old co-
| worker that Laravel is in fact, shit.
| Throudin wrote:
| Laravel is shit because the optional, not required by default
| Boost package includes an ad?
| MarcelOlsz wrote:
| I have no idea I didn't think too deeply about this comment.
| mfrieswyk wrote:
| > I'm not a Laravel developer and don't generally use PHP apart
| from one small side project where Claude takes care of the coding
| for me anyway. I've never tried Laravel Cloud so I don't know
| whether it fits into either of the descriptions above.
| bakugo wrote:
| On one hand, I hate how much of a hype-driven commercial product
| Laravel is, and how many novice developers learn bad practices
| from its awful architecture.
|
| On the other hand, this "problem" only affects vibe coders who
| weren't writing any code themselves anyway, so I say let them
| suffer.
| lexoj wrote:
| I don't do laravel but which bad practices are you referring
| to?
| ceejayoz wrote:
| 50/50 chance it's a complaint about Facades, heh.
| bakugo wrote:
| The prime example I'll always reach for is the fact that it
| makes use of PHP classes to represent database entities, but
| not really - the """classes""" don't actually declare any of
| their properties, it's all dynamically injected at runtime
| from the database columns. You need a Laravel-specific IDE
| plugin just to get basic code completion and static analysis.
|
| And yeah, there's also facades.
| bojan wrote:
| In addition to what /u/bakugo already said, they also have
| custom global magic functions all over the place.
|
| The code discipline and patterns they encourage are so bad
| that they had to wrap PhpUnit into their own version of the
| unit test framework named Pest, because PhpUnit intentionally
| discourages those patterns natively.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Pest is just phpUnit syntax sugar. Claude will happily
| switch between the two syntaxes in seconds.
| lpapez wrote:
| >hype-driven commercial product
|
| >single-handedly keeping PHP relevant
|
| While architecture astronauts are clutching pearls, I've built
| multiple profitable products with Laravel without caring the
| slighest about the internals, both before and after AI.
|
| PHP was always all about just building stuff while ignoring
| code quality. Laravel is a natural extension of that approach.
| Let us live.
| bakugo wrote:
| No, Symfony is singlehandedly keeping PHP relevant, to the
| point that every other framework depends on its packages,
| Laravel included.
|
| Most people like you who don't care about code quality and
| want to "just build" another B2B SaaS unmaintainable pile of
| spaghetti are now purely relying on AI and not writing any
| code themselves anymore, so why use PHP at all instead of JS
| like all the other vibe coders?
| lpapez wrote:
| > so why use PHP at all instead of JS like all the other
| vibe coders?
|
| Because there is nothing remotely close to Laravel for JS.
| I don't want to think about auth, job queues, mailing,
| cache layers, auditing etc. I want an opinionated default
| from my framework that is thoroughly documented and part of
| the AI training corpus. Laravel gives that to me.
| typia wrote:
| This is PHP
| CivBase wrote:
| If you're using a company's product to get advice or do work, you
| should probably expect that product to be heavily biased towards
| that company and its affiliates. It's not your own employee, who
| would presumably act with the best interests of your organization
| in mind. It's not even your own agent. If that's what you want,
| the product simply isn't for you.
| unculture wrote:
| The tool is open source. If it bothers you, fork it and remove
| the line in the prompt.
| add-sub-mul-div wrote:
| Enjoy this time when manipulation in LLM output is still clearly
| identifiable. There's no chance that the endgame isn't something
| a lot more subtle and seamless.
| aarondf wrote:
| > We should fund open source!
|
| > Not like that!
| Rapzid wrote:
| This isn't all that "new" or crazy. How about Expo and React
| Native?
| awongh wrote:
| What does Expo / React native do?
| Rapzid wrote:
| Actively push you to use their build(and configuration!)
| service, and actively create/maintain friction for building
| and publishing production apps without it.
| aculver wrote:
| Taylor's response to a similar thread on Reddit[1]:
|
| Hey all! Kinda surprised this has "taken off" haha
|
| It has nothing to do with raising money. It has everything to do
| with the fact that based on the data we have, there is a large
| increase in the number of people trying Laravel who haven't coded
| before or are getting deeper into web development for the first
| time. That is a good thing!
|
| The previous guidelines would have potentially directed them to
| configure Nginx or FrankenPHP manually, and while that is
| certainly possible for experienced devs, it's not the path to
| success for someone new to the framework.
|
| We want them to be able to get their projects online as smoothly
| as possible, so that hopefully they become a long-lasting member
| of our awesome community.
|
| It is no secret that PHP has a "pipeline problem". If you look at
| the year-over-year data from GitHub, PHP developers only grew 5%,
| JavaScript + TypeScript grew almost 90%. We have to get more
| people into our community and enjoying what's possible here.
| Previously, learning PHP from scratch was a barrier, now, thanks
| to AI, it's not. This is a unique opportunity to dramatically
| expand who can bring their ideas to life using Laravel.
|
| In fact, I already have friends in "real life" who are building
| Laravel apps. They have never coded before.
|
| Does that mean Laravel is going to just cater to "vibe coders"?
| Absolutely not. We're still building deeply technical features
| and content for experienced devs who are operating at high scale.
| But, it is existentially important to the health of the ecosystem
| and PHP itself that we do a good job getting people up and
| running on Laravel. They aren't going to know as much as you guys
| - even Forge can be overwhelming to them. Cloud gives them a
| simple on-ramp to production that doesn't require much technical
| knowledge. This is there to facilitate that.
|
| That being said, we've moved this guideline to a "deployment"
| guideline folder so it's easy to disable or modify or remove to
| have your own deployment recommendations built right into your
| Boost install. And, of course, Boost itself is not included with
| Laravel by default.
|
| [1]
| https://www.reddit.com/r/laravel/comments/1sn70d7/laravel_ad...
| chinathrow wrote:
| The fun fact about PHP is that, there is no Pipeline problem at
| all. You can serve your scripts the hell you like to do. You
| can scale as you wish, either with vertical or horizontal. You
| can use Apache, nginx, etc, no one cares.
| embedding-shape wrote:
| Yeah, PHP is very simple to deploy, once you have either
| apache/nginx/caddy/$webserver and also PHP-cgi/PHP-fpm/$php-
| backend and also understand unix + permissions + files and a
| whole lot of other things. Or alternatively, learn how to use
| cPanel as a user, or worse, learn what (s)FTP is, or whatever
| the really low end web hosters use nowadays.
|
| I wish others learnt the "boring" way of managing your own
| servers, setting things up as they should, deploy processes
| and what not, but realistically, some people just want to run
| one command/click a button and have it updated, and probably
| that's for the better too. This Laravel Cloud thing are for
| those, not for people who want to/know how to run their own
| servers.
| aarondf wrote:
| I think you're conflating a talent pipeline with ease of
| running PHP. Those are not the same thing at all
| kioleanu wrote:
| Oooh it's for the children!
| neosmalt wrote:
| Taylor's explanation makes sense on its face, but it sets a
| precedent that's hard to walk back: the LLM context window is now
| a monetizable surface. Once that's normalized, "here's a
| recommended package" and "here's a sponsored package" become very
| hard to distinguish -- especially when the AI is the one deciding
| which to surface. The real concern isn't this specific case, it's
| that every tool vendor with an MCP server now has a business
| reason to do the same thing.
| chinathrow wrote:
| Wow Taylor, if you read this: as someone who just bought in to
| the Laravel ecosystem, how about no?
| spiderfarmer wrote:
| Said it as soon as the money came in in: it will be a year or two
| before the first popular fork.
| emacdona wrote:
| I think it's debatable whether or not it's an ad. I also think
| it's debatable whether or not the title of the post is
| sensational.
|
| BUT
|
| It truly warms my heart to see the level of mistrust the comments
| in this thread show towards (a) venture capital funding and (b)
| anything even resembling an ad.
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