[HN Gopher] Microsoft isn't removing Copilot from Windows 11, it...
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Microsoft isn't removing Copilot from Windows 11, it's just
renaming it
Author : bundie
Score : 302 points
Date : 2026-04-13 13:48 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| lemonish97 wrote:
| From the article: "Additionally, AI features in Notepad settings
| has been renamed to Advanced features and it allows users to
| toggle off AI capabilities within the app."
|
| I honestly don't mind this, as long as it's not being forced. And
| I believe this feature exists only within their npu PCs.
| tosti wrote:
| IMHO they're just hiding the wolf in sheep clothing. Can't
| complain about AI if it's not called AI. Modern problems
| require modern solutions, you get the idea. The snark in TFA
| about shareholders and stakeholders hits the nail on the head.
| hootz wrote:
| But it's just so unnecessary. Everyone has always expected
| Notepad to be a simple utility as it has always been, why does
| it need optional AI features? It just feels like bloat.
| Sharlin wrote:
| Reminder that this is the company that decided to replace
| Paint with something called "Paint 3D", the laggiest and
| bloatiest "literally nobody wanted this" drawing app I've
| ever seen.
| hydrogen7800 wrote:
| Ugh, I can no longer press win key and type "p a i enter".
| I now have to find the old paint manually.
| hilariously wrote:
| win+r - mspaint - enter
| hydrogen7800 wrote:
| Thanks! Also useful for an old win10 machine I have, and
| probably shouldn't be using anymore, that no longer
| responds to clicking the start menu button...
| catlikesshrimp wrote:
| Don't throw it away. Install windows 8, and the last
| offline version of office you can find. It makes for a
| great distraction free workstation and a monitor for your
| android (scrcpy).
|
| Or, you can install and reinstall linux distros and learn
| the ropes.
|
| You should be fine as long as you use a proper firewall
| device and access only manually withelisted websites, but
| it is always better to keep it offline. That said, it can
| become your next firewall device.
| hydrogen7800 wrote:
| I built it circa 2012 or 2013 and still have the physical
| win8 disc. I considered futzing with linux on it. The
| extent of my linux experience is via SSH to a raspberry
| pi kludging some docker containers for this and that.
| SSH/linux terminal feels like fumbling in a dark room
| flipping random switches until something works.
|
| >scrcpy
|
| I also have a pixel 5a whose screen doesn't work, but I
| think functions otherwise. Would this allow me to
| interface with it?
| catlikesshrimp wrote:
| I think the pixel 5a can be connected to tv through an
| hdmi cable. If so, plug that and a mouse to setup adb
| (toggle enable adb and toggle debug permissions, then
| accept adb host)
| UncleSlacky wrote:
| Or just install Win10 IoT LTSC, which is supported until
| 2032.
| esafak wrote:
| They don't even do substring search??
| xp84 wrote:
| Apparently there's a proper app launcher in PowerToys.
| amlib wrote:
| Back in the 90s doing substring match was probably deemed
| way too expensive and so just calling the executable name
| directly was as optimized as it got... and it's beautiful
| :)
| dataflow wrote:
| Switch to Open-Shell's start menu and don't look back.
| idle_processor wrote:
| Give FlowLauncher[0] or Windows Powertoys Run[1] a shot.
|
| There are some amazing tools like that (and
| Everything[2], which replaces Windows' inferior search)
| that really change how one interacts with Windows.
|
| There are other tricks like putting scripts or shortcuts
| or executables in a directory referenced by your PATH
| variable, which can make the Win+R trick better too.
|
| [0] https://www.flowlauncher.com/ [1]
| https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/run
| [2] https://www.voidtools.com/
| whynotmaybe wrote:
| Must be some Mandela effect but I'm sure that Paint.net was
| supposed to replace mspaint when it was started.
| Sharlin wrote:
| It was supposed to be a third-party replacement, sure,
| but certainly not an official one. It started as a
| student project. It's just the prefix that tricks your
| brain to associate it with MS's own .NET branded
| applications.
| saghm wrote:
| To be fair, the .NET brand is already super convoluted
| (there's .NET framework, the .NET core, .NET runtime, the
| .NET desktop runtime, the .NET sdk, and I'm genuinely not
| even sure which if any of these might refer to the same
| thing), on top of it weirdly sounding like something
| internet related to a casual user.
| Sharlin wrote:
| Yes, "Copilot" is not the first brand that MS has tried
| to stick to everything while being just as confused about
| it as (inevitably) the consumers. Although somehow they
| did manage to keep .NET mostly aimed at developers -
| besides the actual frameworks there's Visual Studio .NET
| and other dev tools, but I'm actually a bit surprised
| that they never had "Office .NET" or "Outlook .NET" or
| even "Windows .NET Edition" or something like that. Maybe
| they still had some sane people in charge of marketing
| and brand management back then.
| xp84 wrote:
| They did brand the Microsoft accounts themselves, from
| "Passport" to ".NET Passport" for a while. That was
| before they were "Windows Live IDs."
| cwnyth wrote:
| Paint.NET wasn't Microsoft's, but was an independent app:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.NET
| mlnj wrote:
| I remember how Skype, an awesome piece of software
| transformed into Lync, which worked fairly well, slowly
| transformed into whatever MS wanted to call it year after
| year, slower and more buggy than the year before.
| Rohansi wrote:
| It was never replaced. Paint 3D was an entirely different
| app for 3D art only. It's also been gone for a few years
| now.
| Sharlin wrote:
| It was absolutely sold as a replacement. And it's gone
| now because literally nobody wanted it, used it, or
| understood why it existed. Sure, you could still find the
| old Paint in a disused lavatory behind a locked door with
| a sign "beware of the leopard". It wasn't even installed
| by default, unlike the 3D version, or do I recall
| incorrectly? Even MS isn't so stupid as to ship two
| separate accessories both called "Paint" in the same OS
| by default!
| wlesieutre wrote:
| And a weird obsession with making it impossible to
| customize the sidebar in Explorer, so there was a "3D
| Objects" folder stuck there permanently unless you're the
| kind of user who doesn't mind a trip to the registry
| editor.
|
| What percent of users ever found that useful? I think I'm
| being generous to guess one in ten thousand.
|
| Absolutely braindead management running Windows
| development.
|
| https://www.thewindowsclub.com/remove-3d-objects-folder-
| wino...
| Sharlin wrote:
| Yeah, the "3D Objects" thing is just surreal. You can't
| make this stuff up.
| robotnikman wrote:
| It was a relic from a time when it looked like 3D
| printing was going to be the next big thing.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| Agreed, it looked like VR was going to be big, MS & Meta
| were pushing it hard.
| Barbing wrote:
| > one in ten thousand.
|
| For their default file explorer experience, the prominent
| fourth option right in the sidebar. Oh my gosh, that is
| hilarious. Did someone think it made the computer look
| advanced (or did they want you to buy apps to uh make 3D
| stuff from them)?
| wlesieutre wrote:
| I think they wanted you to buy a Windows Mixed Reality
| headset and use it for Paint 3D
| MisterTea wrote:
| I think that crown belongs to the pile of pig shit that was
| the Windows 10 photo viewer. My first experience with that
| trash fire was opening a simple 2k photo which took 15
| seconds and 150 MB of memory on a six core i5 with 16GB
| RAM. Viewing images was pain and suffering until I gave up
| and re-enabled the Win 7 viewer which was thankfully still
| included.
| distances wrote:
| Looking back, I understood with Windows XP that I wasn't in
| the target group. Win 95/98 had a simple but functional
| file search. Being naive, I was expecting some power user
| features in the future, like regex search.
|
| Win XP replaced the classic file search with one that had
| an animated dog in it.
|
| The dog search was completely, utterly useless. You would
| not find anything with it. It was so bad I still vividly
| remember my bafflement about it.
| lynndotpy wrote:
| When I stopped using Windows, it was because it required so
| much constant upkeep and maintenance to stay usable. You had
| to stay on top of the latest tool that disables tracking,
| things like Cortana you'd want to remove, the latest toggles
| you have to disable, what toggles revert themselves when you
| update. These all exist behind different shifting UI toggles
| which are not accessibly automatable. And all the while, you
| have to hope your registry edits don't force you to a lengthy
| reinstall where you have to redo all of these.
|
| I could be wrong, but as far as I know there's not one "Fix
| Windows 11" tool maintained to do all this for you.
|
| "You have to toggle AI features off in Notepad, and they
| changed the name to Advanced Features now," is just another
| heaving brick on the pile.
| trueno wrote:
| > When I stopped using Windows, it was because it required
| so much constant upkeep and maintenance to stay usable.
|
| i actually had to spin up a windows vm last week to fix
| some dumb excel workbook vba nonsense a coworker was having
| issues with.
|
| i laughed so hard at the amount of "debloat" powershell
| tools out there for windows that are basically a non-
| negotiable now to have a normal operating system
| experience. just surfing around the web and seeing people
| say "yeah install OS then run _ tool" like that is a normal
| "this is fine" thing was so entertaining.
|
| i destroyed that VM when i was done. then took a shower
| supertrope wrote:
| That's the same reason I deleted my Facebook account.
| tracker1 wrote:
| I really think MS should have just resurrected the "Wordpad"
| app name for what the new "Nptepad" does. It would be far
| less annoying if they'd just done that.
| trueno wrote:
| lol holy moly i totally forgot about how annoying it was
| when something opened in the bastard child that was
| wordpad.
|
| kinda crazy to me how terrible the entire windows
| experience is as a whole, i really think people have just
| lost sight of how computing should be.
|
| there's just too many cats outta the bag here that
| microsoft is going to cling to for dear life, they can back
| pedal all they want in blogs promising different, but we
| can already see here they're not willing to let go of the
| stuff they've woven into things that people hate.
|
| im gonna be blunt, windows kinda sux. this is already not a
| promising outlook for windows enjoyers. and it's only been
| what, like 2-3 weeks since they were putting out this
| nonsense
|
| > "You will see us be more intentional about how and where
| Copilot integrates across Windows, focusing on experiences
| that are genuinely useful and well-crafted. As part of
| this, we are reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points,
| starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and
| Notepad."
|
| let me guess: copilot stuff remains on by default. lol,
| lmao even
| tracker1 wrote:
| > im gonna be blunt, windows kinda sux.
|
| No argument from me... I switched my personal devices off
| Windows several years ago... I still use a Mac laptop,
| and that may even be my last Apple device.
|
| I really wish that MS would have spent far more time
| making Win11 consistent instead of introducing so many
| new features throughout... Win7 was the last version of
| Windows that even resembled consistent. That doesn't even
| go into a lot of the bloat and stuff that doesn't
| necessarily belong in an OS imo. Completing the UI
| transition should be the second priority only after long
| standing bugs and usability issues. The AI
| enshitification is horrible. I'm not even against an
| option for AI tooling... give me a selection
| dialog/wizard ONCE on account login/creation... then
| leave me alone.
| delecti wrote:
| Based on the timelines, it seems like the WordPad EoL was
| going on at the same time as the plans to add crap to
| Notepad. They might well have killed WordPad _so that_ they
| could turn Notepad into the pile of crap it became.
| philistine wrote:
| I'd argue it is Microsoft's own damn fault. They seem to have
| completely abandoned improving their system, in favour of
| dumping everything in their apps. Apple has introduced
| writing tools at the OS level, so you can use their LLM in
| TextEdit and no one complains.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| With Apple, can you leave the LLM features turned off?
| LetsGetTechnicl wrote:
| Yes you can keep Apple Intelligence turned off at the
| system level, which I do
| raincole wrote:
| > Everyone has always expected Notepad to be a simple utility
| as it has always been
|
| Except the youngest of the demography who don't have this
| expectation, and live in AI hype era since they're kids.
| xoxxala wrote:
| I don't need anything more than a simple text editor. Notepad
| worked fine for a long time, but the bloat is real. I tried a
| bunch of replacement editors, but none really scratched that
| Notepad itch. Surprisingly, I'm now a fan of MS Edit:
|
| https://github.com/microsoft/edit
|
| It's very simple and here's hoping they don't bloat this one
| out, too.
| Neikius wrote:
| I like kde's Kate. A bit more than notepad but not as crazy
| as notepad++. More like notepad 2
| saghm wrote:
| If I'm understanding correctly, you have to go into "advanced"
| features to turn _off_ AI? So someone who doesn 't think
| they're an expert who needs advanced features might not ever go
| and look there? I'd argue that "advanced" features are
| something that a casual user would expect to be off by default
| and need to go out of their way to enable.
| mcdeltat wrote:
| "advanced" in 2026 is closer to "using the app how you want
| to as rather than the way that will generate the corporation
| maximum profits"
| dataflow wrote:
| This stretches back much farther than the 2020s
| unfortunately...
| Topfi wrote:
| The "AI" additions to Notepad are not limited to systems with
| an NPU. Why would they be, it's powered by LLMs running on
| Azure [0].
|
| These sudden additions also correlated with the first CVE [1]
| in Notepad since its inception, so maybe their attention isn't
| where it should be.
|
| I for one very much mind this and many other inclusions
| including the metastatic takeover off Office. OneDrive also was
| forced upon and severely worsened functioning software, despite
| not being "AI", so there is precedent at least.
|
| [0] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enhance-your-
| wri...
|
| [1] https://infosecwriteups.com/the-dumb-editor-that-got-too-
| sma...
| noir_lord wrote:
| Be better if there was a global "Disable AI" option easily
| found in the settings that is a flag _everywhere_.
|
| Some of us (including very much me) simply do not want
| Copilot/AI _anything_ and playing whackamole with settings is
| annoying but we 'll do it anyway and it leaves a bad taste.
|
| Since it's the software equivalent of been in a filing cabinet
| in the basement behind a door that has a sign saying "Beware
| the Leopard".
|
| In reality it's a moot point, I disable AI features and Windows
| is a gloried steamos box for me at this point, I do my actual
| computing booted into Linux and have for decades.
| jgalt212 wrote:
| > I honestly don't mind this, as long as it's not being forced.
|
| This is indeed a step forward. With QuickBooks, there is
| currently no way to disable their extremely intrusive AI. I may
| just vibe-code a browser extension to block it. Fight fire with
| fire.
| razster wrote:
| Even with it off, you can still see that it uses a lot of
| resources for a basic Notepad. I've ditched Windows for work,
| second drive now has Windows for gaming and that is all. I can
| do all my work on Linux and that is fine by me.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| I would prefer off by default.
|
| No nags, just a simple, "We are offering you this feature, use
| it or don't, it's your computer".
| tosti wrote:
| https://archive.ph/M7Bv5
| protoster wrote:
| > At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill
| among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the
| operating system in 2026
|
| The only thing generated was boatloads of incredulity and some
| laughs.
| benterix wrote:
| Yeah, I remember the same. Also, "Windows 11 fans" sounds like
| an oxymoron.
| tosti wrote:
| It could relate to the amount of *pu and system fans needed
| to run so much bloatware :)
| bilekas wrote:
| Might be considered "Windows 11 Hostages" instead given
| they've dropped support for using anything else.
| bluescrn wrote:
| Wondering how long I can hold out on Win10...
| jmclnx wrote:
| No surprise for large companies, one company even renamed itself
| but its approval ratings still stayed in the basement.
|
| A fortune 500 company I worked for renamed internal projects many
| times when the original failed. But they continued dumping money
| into those black holes. One dollar eating project was renamed 3
| times and was on its way for a 4th rename when I left. That
| project was started between 2005 and 2010. I was not involved
| with it, but everyone knew it would fail.
|
| So M/S renaming copilot ? I expect a few more renames as time
| goes on :)
| benterix wrote:
| > At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill
| among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the
| operating system in 2026.
|
| Interesting, I can't recall a single voice "Oh I'm so happy they
| changed their corporate strategy" but many of "I'll believe it
| when I see it".
| shevy-java wrote:
| Ah, you make a great point - I made almost the same comment a
| moment ago, because I remember that Microslop babbled about "we
| will listen to the community" some weeks ago. Guess it was
| indeed at the start of the year.
|
| So those who were skeptic were right - one can not trust
| Microslop. Its AI addiction is too strong already. It sold its
| soul to AI. There is no way back for Microslop anymore. All
| Win11 users will have to support AI. AI up all the things! \o/
| shevy-java wrote:
| Didn't Microsoft say it will listen to the community, some weeks
| ago? And now it looks as if Microsoft did not tell the truth. To
| be fair: I think Microsoft actually has no alternative option.
| They sold out to AI and all Win11 users will have to support the
| hype train. I am so glad to have switched to Linux a long time
| ago.
| whynotmaybe wrote:
| Well, they heard that we don't like copilot in notepad so they
| removed "copilot" from notepad.
|
| And right after that they added a brand new feature called
| tolipoc that will revolutionize the way you analyze your logs
| or modify your 17 year old cmd file!
|
| Want to create a file with the current date and time? No need
| to google for it, tolipoc will do it for you!
| a1o wrote:
| Is the last sentence a reference to the .LOG classic notepad
| hack?
| pndy wrote:
| You prob recall this thing from 23 days ago:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47459296
|
| For me there's nothing MS could do at this point that would
| bring me back. And as I said in that thread, it's too late for
| them - people are moving elsewhere, maybe not in big numbers
| but exodus is in progress. MS harassed their users/clients too
| hard and for too long; now it's time to "enjoy" fruits of their
| deranged actions and decisions.
| yndoendo wrote:
| Microsoft has jumped onto the Friedman doctrine with full
| force. [0] Following this doctrine takes you down only one
| path, Enshitification.
|
| All the major Wall Street players are doing it too; Nestle with
| removing real chocolate in their chocolate candy, McDonald's
| now costing the same as a sit down with lower quality product,
| car industry rejecting affordable vehicles for production. [1]
| [2]
|
| The only end users Microsoft concern themselves with are the
| _Share Holders_. They reject the developers, maintainers, and
| consumers as their focal user groups. This is how you get shit-
| ware and people leaving your platform.
|
| My major goal this year is to get our solutions running on
| Linux so we can fully ditch the trash fire that Windows IoT /
| Embedded has become. It originally was fully customizable now
| it is bloated with Copilot, XBox gaming, and working to force
| the creation of @Microsoft.com accounts versus local ones.
|
| I support local restaurants, businesses, and breweries. While
| Wall Street companies are last in line to receive my income, if
| at all. I will not spend a penny personally financially
| supporting large players like McDonald's, Microsoft, Pepsi,
| Coca-Cola, Molson Coors, AB InBev ...
|
| Everything these companies say is just PR to try and win back
| those they lost and those that are walking away. Only trust an
| origination's actions because their messages are meaningless
| and without value.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine
|
| [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o
|
| [2] https://daxstreet.com/news/243275/affordable-cars-
| disappear-...
| xacky wrote:
| Copilot has been reduced to "Internet Explorer" status, where it
| is the "AI to download another AI".
| _HMCB_ wrote:
| Seems like what Apple does with Writing Assistant. At least in
| this case, it's opt-in. You have to click. I don't run Windows so
| I don't know if this implementation is vastly superior or not.
| Shank wrote:
| If you turn off Apple Intelligence, it's one switch and
| features like that are gone from every single location.
| _HMCB_ wrote:
| I had no clue that you could switch it off. Thanks.
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| I have windows on my desktop pc because it's easier to get
| executable mods (downgraders, engine fixes, etc) working on
| windows than linux. There's also the matter of 'kernel level
| anti-cheat' games not working.
|
| But if I just judge windows vs linux, on even ground, W11 is
| _painful_. I 've main'd linux on my laptop for ~ 25 years. There
| was a time when it was a jank experience that I put up with for
| better devex, but that ended in the late 00's. From that point
| forward, unless you were trying to get bleeding edge hardware to
| work, linux has been hands down better.
|
| It's enough that I've considered giving up online play all
| together just to have a nicer computing experience.
| californical wrote:
| I just run two drives - one with windows and one with Linux.
|
| I treat the windows one as a console essentially, not even
| logged into my password manager or email or anything. It is
| only for games. Basically an Xbox, with all sorts of normal
| annoying UX, but it doesn't matter for all of the ~2 minutes
| until I can launch a game
|
| Separate linux drive for everything else.
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| That's ...not the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Now I just
| have to wait till prices come down on ssds again. While I can
| of course afford it, it wounds my soul to pay the AI / tariff
| tax on components.
| fhd2 wrote:
| I typically install both systems on the same disk,
| different partitions. Then work with additional SSDs
| strictly for game storage. Only annoying bit is that some
| games _need_ to be on C, but very few in my experience. If
| you have enough space to shrink your Windows partition,
| that could work without waiting for an SSD. Though I guess
| the one OS per disk setup is ultimately cleaner.
|
| Been dual booting for >20 years now. It's nice that some
| games work on Linux pretty well these days, and of course I
| had fun messing with Wine manually to get some stuff to
| work decades ago. But it really doesn't bother me too much
| to reboot when switching between gaming and literally
| anything else.
| keyringlight wrote:
| The issue that has occurred a few times is that some
| windows updates will decide that they 'own' the disk it's
| installed on or knows better than whoever is running the
| system, and overwrite any other boot manager with
| window's own and you may need to break out a live boot to
| recover it. Using a single isolated disc at OS install
| time (if you can have multiple physical drives) and using
| a motherboard boot selection hotkey means that risk
| likely goes away.
| vladvasiliu wrote:
| Many newer computers now have a rudimentary bootloader
| integrated in the EFI. Some are actually quite nice,
| allowing you to browse partitions to choose which image
| to boot. HPs have this. You just hit a key during uefi
| "post" and voila.
|
| The functionality is present on my new Lenovo laptop,
| various generations of HP elite/pro books/desks, old asus
| mobo and newer cheap gigabyte mobo, 7th gen intel nuc.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| I use BIOS boot selection to dual-boot. MS has broken it
| twice. I turned off SecureBoot now and just don't run
| games that require it.
|
| Apparently you can get a mobo with switchable BIOS config
| (or was it just a switchable SSD?) so the OS didn't even
| know that there's a second OS around. If there's no
| connection of the other OS then MS can't break it [as
| easily]!
|
| IMO it must be malicious, because otherwise it would be
| caught with remedial testing. I can't believe MS don't
| include dual boot setups in their testing.
| supertrope wrote:
| Microsoft got rid of QA years ago. If it was targeted
| sabotage they could break dual boot setups every single
| Patch Tuesday. It's just disrespect for users. Like how
| Copilot and other shovelware such as Candy Crush keep
| getting reinstalled every few updates, and privacy
| settings reset every once in a while. Dual booting is
| likely not even on their radar.
| dns_snek wrote:
| > It's nice that some games work on Linux pretty well
| these days
|
| This description doesn't really do it justice. ~75% of
| top 100 games work well out of the box/with minimal
| tinkering according to https://www.protondb.com/dashboard
| (it varies a bit based on the rating scale)
|
| Many work perfectly and many work even better than they
| do on Windows. Valve's work really changed the game over
| the past few years.
| GeoAtreides wrote:
| > Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds
| again
|
| oh man, do I have some really bad news for you:
|
| https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/chart/SNDK
| ghighi7878 wrote:
| I have a windows machine connected to my TV for games. Thats
| it. 1000 Euro machine with 500 Euro GPU. Also use it for
| govts windows only thingies.
| dathinab wrote:
| Similar for me but I mostly play single player small studio
| games/no mods, and on Steam/Linux there are enough "out of
| the box working" games to fill all the time I still have
| left for gaming.
|
| It's not perfect, but I anyway had the computer for other
| reasons and may need it for the other reasons again after
| which I would need to re-setup anything. Bazite default/w.
| SteamOS UI install + a minor number of setting changes (
| _1) and a login to steam and it 's ready to go again. Can't
| complain. Just which the SteamOS UI version would also do
| the same background download+apply of updates the main
| versions or distros like Fedora Silverblue do.
|
| While not quite yet console experience, for many games it
| really is not "that" far away. (For some other games very
| much very far away, don't expect any competitive PvP games
| or games with real world money related online economy
| working. To some degree it's not even about anti-cheat not
| working on Linux. It's about many such games struggling
| making it work on Windows and having no room to bother with
| another platform, and dishonest managers potentially using
| "all Linux fault" as an excuse when the anti-cheating
| strategy failed on Windows where most of their players
| where... (happened before))
|
| --
|
| (_1): Mainly SteamOS UI is made for Handhelds and as such
| has some bad defaults for more powerful desktops (which
| likely will change soon). I'm only couch gaming on it,
| hence close to everything else just stays with default
| settings. Sure it's not fancy customized Linux or most
| maximal privacy preserving Linux. But it's in the "good
| enough" area of settings, privacy and similar, which
| Windows in many aspects isn't anymore. No fighting windows
| forcing things down your throat, weather it's Copilot, the
| nasty way it tries to deceive you into using it's online
| drive, etc.
|
| ---
|
| Oh and as minor tip: You can majorly micro optimize
| kernels, schedulers, drivers etc. If you don't need to,
| then don't bother. That is where unexpected perf.
| regressions, issues after updates etc. come in. Like you
| still find reports about Bazzite being slower then windows
| due to them having don that in the past and having run into
| an unexpected perf. regression on some hardware without
| realizing. I mean it is fun to tinker. But I'm in the
| "please mostly just work" age by now.
| nomel wrote:
| I was going to go this route, but with all the GPU's
| sitting around in data centers now, you can get Steam cloud
| gaming for stupid cheap. I pay $10/month for 4k@120Hz (up
| to 80mbps video bitrate, they're experimenting with HDR),
| with my MacBook connected to my TV. It would take 12 years
| of subscriptions to equal the price of a PC, which is
| realistically more like 20 since I pause the subscription
| for months that I don't play. And, if I want to play some
| multiplayer game with a family member, I just add another
| subscription for $10, we play the game until they're done,
| then cancel.
|
| I'll probably pick up a PC at some point, but this has been
| completely fine.
| marcosscriven wrote:
| I installed Proxmox on my main desktop - with GPU passthrough
| I can quickly switch to a Windows desktop for the rare games
| that need it (mostly VR).
| dasyatidprime wrote:
| I've considered this for consolidating core hardware, but
| dual-boot doesn't do trust boundaries well. The Windows
| kernel still has full block access to the other device, so if
| it gets admin-level malware, it has free rein to infect the
| other system. At one point several years ago I got partway
| through a plan involving having most disks be externally
| pluggable (and assuming that firmware-level malware
| persistence is unlikely, which I'm not as sure about these
| days) but gave up for unclear reasons. I think if I were to
| try that again (and if I had the hardware for it) I'd try
| some kind of NAS approach to separate storage credentials
| from the OS.
| kogir wrote:
| With secure boot, full disk encryption, and robust backups,
| this risk should be largely mitigated, right?
|
| That's what I'm personally banking on. I think anyone with
| the resources to bypass these would first just use a rubber
| hose.
| Neikius wrote:
| You could run windows in the VM. Pcie passthrough is a
| thing just be careful with the Mobo.
| miguno wrote:
| Steam is a wonderful boot loader.
| echelon wrote:
| Y'all just need to game on Linux when and where possible, to
| the extent that it is possible.
|
| Be the change the market needs to see to adjust development
| practices.
|
| Valve is doing their part. I get playing on Windows when
| there are mods, but if you can play a new game vanilla at
| launch on Linux - do it. It shows demand.
| tantalor wrote:
| Glad to see Windows is still treated basically the same as
| DOS, but with slightly better graphics and mouse support.
| Gigachad wrote:
| This is basically how I use linux. PC plugged in to the TV
| running bazzite. No keyboard or mouse, just an xbox
| controller. The experience is so seamless now.
| MiddleEndian wrote:
| Anecdotally, my (smart but doesn't really care much about
| computers) fiancee was able to get all dozen of her mods for
| The Sims working on Bazzite Linux without any help from me
| besides a chmod +x to one script.
|
| But we don't play any online multiplayer games, so YMMV on that
| one.
| Neikius wrote:
| Multiplayer online games work mostly fine. There is just a
| small fraction that is not.
| connicpu wrote:
| For me last year was the tipping point, with Windows 10 hitting
| EOL I refused to move to the buggy mess of 11. All the games I
| regularly play are now nearly flawless in proton and games that
| refuse to run on Linux just don't exist for me anymore.
| Admittedly I already didn't play the kinds of highly
| competitive online games that like to use KLAC, so might be a
| tougher sell if that's your jam. Most of my game time goes to
| FF14 and GW2.
| pawelduda wrote:
| I repeat this story every now and then but I "maintain" a 18
| years old laptop with Ubuntu (mainly for Internet) for non-tech
| savvy user. I put it in quotes because I just run apt update
| every now and then - that's it. Just works. The only bottleneck
| is how resource-hungry browsers got over time but it remains
| usable. Ubuntu was installed sometime back in 2017 and there
| was no need for fresh reinstall since then.
| rbanffy wrote:
| I did that for my mom. At some point she learned to click
| through the Ubuntu updater and she kept her machine updated
| by herself. I only kept tabs on her computer via the server
| monitoring tooling I had on my network.
| Barbing wrote:
| This sounds like the move, vs. having mum on Win+Chrome.
|
| If people had set their family members up with Firefox and
| Ublock Origin, then the Manifest v2 deprecation wouldn't
| have resulted in seniors getting hit with certain scams.
| Specifically over the period between deprecation and the
| next visit from tech savvy family members.
|
| Unforgivable btw
|
| Edit - Linux bit's important too b/c of MS nagscreens that
| could try to upsell
| SoftTalker wrote:
| That can't be literally true, no release of Ubuntu is still
| getting updates after 18 years. At some point you have to
| upgrade to the next release, and that's not quite as simple.
| LetsGetTechnicl wrote:
| The laptop is 18 years old, Ubuntu was installed in 2017.
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| The 'upgrade to next version of ubuntu' has gotten pretty
| good these days.
|
| The only thing I would make sure to do is to have a
| separate home partition / volume so if you _had_ to blow
| the underlying OS away after a botched upgrade, it 's
| easily doable.
|
| For the _life_ of me I don 't understand why having a
| separate area for your personal files isn't the default on
| every OS. Just pick a reasonable size for the OS part
| (20-30G?) and give the rest to /home
| goalieca wrote:
| Check out the volume scheme in macOS.
| Aardwolf wrote:
| I don't seem to have issues modding games like Skyrim, Fallout
| 4 or Factorio on Linux
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| Do you use executable mods? Downgraders, engine fixes, etc?
| I'm also curious what mod manager you use, because getting
| MO2 to work under linux is a bit janky as well.
| joombaga wrote:
| I use MO2 on Linux through Steam's Proton runtime, to play
| TTW (Fallout NV mod). Works fine. The TTW installer did
| require an older Proton version though.
| Aardwolf wrote:
| Probably not often I'd say, but at least there were some
| games I played with wine where some executables to apply
| mods also ran in wine and worked, I vaguely remember some
| fix to make something be able to use more than a few GB of
| ram to allow farther or better remdering, sometimes just a
| strange combination of things is needed to get something to
| work. But that's actually long ago, these days everything
| just works in Steam instead
| ChoGGi wrote:
| > I vaguely remember some fix to make something be able
| to use more than a few GB of ram to allow farther or
| better remdering.
|
| A 4gb patch probably (let's you use 4gb instead of 2gb
| for x86 executables).
| Neikius wrote:
| Janky but works. I started experiment with game scope I
| think is called. Interesting results upscaling some games.
| Fiddly though
| dathinab wrote:
| it's a question of tooling, modding kits
|
| most times it this tooling which causes issues not the mod
| itself
|
| For very popular games it's not rare if moddingkit/tooling
| producer (or contributes) made the tooling work on Linux, but
| it can be very hit or miss.
|
| but it increasingly more "just works", kinda, somewhat
| delecti wrote:
| Yeah. I recently tried to run an auxiliary program (Mass
| Effect save editor because the character creator sucks) on
| Linux which was only written for Windows. Getting it
| running in the same Proton "space" (bottle?) was not an
| _enormous_ challenge, but it was very far from "just
| works".
| tracker1 wrote:
| I tend to run pretty close to the edge on hardware (9950x,
| 9070xt, gen5 nvme)... I've had a few issues with that in
| Linux... that said, I've been using Linux as the main OS on my
| desktop for a while now, and when I upgraded about a year ago,
| I ditched the Windows drive entirely.
|
| I do have a Windows Server 2025 and Win11 VM running for a
| couple testing issues, but that's about it. That said, there
| seems to be a few integration issues on Wayland where the RDP
| client or the VM UI both will not intercept hotkeys like alt-
| tab, which makes it kind of painful to use the VM effectively.
|
| Even with the rough edges in Cosmic, I'll still take it over
| the jank they keep addding to Windows.
| vidarh wrote:
| Yeah, I mostly stopped checking hardware compatibility for
| Linux ~10 years ago. Every now and again there's an issue,
| but it's usually easy to work around, or I wait a little bit
| and it's resolved. When it got to the point that I felt I
| didn't need to check any more, it was a big deal.
| tracker1 wrote:
| I had an RX 5700XT at launch, that was about the most
| painful... but 6mo later it worked fine... But by then I
| did switch back to Windows because I couldn't deal with the
| day to day issues... A year later, I went back to Linux and
| haven't looked back though.
| TheGRS wrote:
| Its always been a momentum thing for me, grew up on Windows,
| esp in my LAN party days. The guys running linux couldn't play
| 90% of the games the rest of us were. When dev became more
| important to me I would typically reach for something else
| because the windows dev experience always kind of sucked IMO
| (unless you were a .NET person, which for the most part I was
| not).
|
| I have a spare laptop with Pop OS on it now and I'm really
| enjoying it. Kind of forget I'm on it sometimes. I'm
| considering putting it as my OS for my main powerful laptop
| that I play most of my games on.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| I run Windows 11 as my main desktop (and use Mac at work and
| have a bunch of servers / NAS where I run debian), and W11 is
| not painful at all.
|
| I installed the Professional edition, disabled a few settings
| that I don't like the first time I installed it, and haven't
| had any issue or friction since then.
|
| Meanwhile I'm constantly frustrated at MacOS and obviously you
| can't do anything on Linux without running into some sort of
| trouble.
| mancerayder wrote:
| Some people don't mind ads on the radio, when they're
| watching a show, some people don't mind pop-ups, etc.
|
| Now, if I search on win11 to start a program (which is what
| they want you to do), why does auto complete call out to the
| Internet? Users had had browsers for over two decades, who
| has asked Microsoft to mix local search, application startup
| and web search?
|
| As it turns out, I really hated on-call my whole career. I
| guess different personalities here, as well.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| > if I search on win11 to start a program (which is what
| they want you to do), why does auto complete call out to
| the Internet?
|
| This is how I launch most of my programs and it has
| literally never been an issue for me, it always does
| exactly what I expect, which is to launch the program I
| have installed locally.
|
| I don't give a fuck if it makes an HTTP call or performs an
| incantation to the god of search in the background, as long
| as it just gives me my locally installed software
| instantly, which it does.
|
| > As it turns out, I really hated on-call my whole career.
|
| Read my bio.
| baq wrote:
| Linux is missing good vm defaults (dirty_bytes etc.) - out of
| the box settings on the distros I tried are abysmal; both
| windows and macos are much saner.
|
| Other than that, yeah, it's a royal pain in the ass. It's
| treating the user primarily as an upsell funnel.
| seabrookmx wrote:
| I assume this isn't the case with every machine, but every
| hardware I've ever owned (including the Framework 13, which has
| pretty good Linux support) has had worse battery life under
| Linux (mainstream distros like Fedora and Ubuntu).
|
| To say nothing of the truly excellent battery life Macs these
| days get.
|
| That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days,
| IMO.
| wkrsz wrote:
| David Heinemeier Hansson reports excellent battery life on
| 2026 Dell XPS 14 with Panther Lake
| https://world.hey.com/dhh/panther-lake-is-the-real-
| deal-4bd7...
| seabrookmx wrote:
| I'm a little gun-shy of getting another Dell after two bad
| machines in a row (two separate models with swollen
| batteries < 3 years old), but I'll admit the 14 looks nice
| now that they've brought back the physical function keys!
| ebbi wrote:
| I'm waiting to see some other reviews of the Omarchy and
| Dell XPS combo on battery life. DHH has overhyped some
| things in the past - he posted a screenshot on X last week
| showing ~40 hours battery life remaining on the Dell.
|
| But it's so good to see the Windows side catching up to
| Macs now. So tempted to try out Omarchy on the XPS.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| > That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these
| days, IMO.
|
| Pop_os! with the system76 power daemon makes a world of
| difference on my tiny AMD powered Lenovo ideapad.
| Computer0 wrote:
| My scrolling is screwed up everytime I try to run Linux on my
| laptop.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Install the IoT LTSC edition. No crapware at all. It's a really
| solid OS. Less painful than Linux overall.
| delecti wrote:
| Is there any legitimate way to do that? Last I heard, that
| version needed an Enterprise license which end-users
| realistically can't realistically get.
| LetsGetTechnicl wrote:
| I dual boot Windows and Pop OS. I find the Windows 10 LTSC
| experience totally perfect, and it has a longer EOL.
| themagician wrote:
| LTSC is the "real" Windows. It's so boring and terrific.
|
| What I don't understand is why they don't make it more
| available. Just let people pay for it. I do not understand
| why they don't.
| com2kid wrote:
| For the same reason everything is moving to being ad based
| - because ads pay more, and because the high income users
| who are willing to pay to get rid of ads are the most
| valuable users to show ads to.
| supertrope wrote:
| Google and Facebook showed the way. Consumers see FREE
| service and it sets the market equilibrium. Retail Windows
| licenses were already a slim minority. Those who would buy
| Windows 11 LTSC for Home would be an even smaller group.
| bradley13 wrote:
| If you avoid games that demand kernel-level access, gaming on
| Linux works just fine.
|
| Honestly, I don't trust game producers enough to grant then
| kernel access. Do you? Really?
| wing-_-nuts wrote:
| I don't trust _windows_ with access to sensitive data, much
| less games. I do all banking, etc on my linux laptop. My
| desktop is for messing around with AI / ML / games
| augusto-moura wrote:
| I usually don't care enough about the games that only run on
| Windows. Most of the games I play are 100% playable on Linux,
| even the online competitive ones. Never liked League, PUBG or
| GTA Online anyway
| Neikius wrote:
| There is like 20 online games that don't work... No need to
| give it all up if you switch
| lqstuart wrote:
| I switched from Windows to Linux because I got a Steam Deck,
| which caused me to realize that the only games in my library
| that don't also run flawlessly on Linux are the ones that have
| invasive anticheat that I'm really not comfortable installing.
|
| Having to enable TPM or device integrity or whatever it is on
| my own computer just to run my own games is just too much power
| to hand to some garbage corporation that shits on its users.
| Rubbed me so far the wrong that way that I gave it up. The fact
| that Win 11 is no longer just an easy and hands-off solution
| that "just works" but is bloated with dark patterns and "AI"
| bullshit certainly helped cement the decision.
| brianwawok wrote:
| Have a Linux gaming machine with bazzite. Fantastic! So far
| any game I care about works and with AMD drivers it's even
| stable..
| ljm wrote:
| I could tolerate Windows more if it stopped being a rental OS
| that thinks MS own your laptop more than you do. Like it was in
| Windows 7.
|
| All I ask is that things I uninstall stay uninstalled -- I got
| rid of OneDrive and Teams for a reason, stop adding that shit
| back! -- and that it doesn't shove Edge and Bing down my throat
| and decide that MS knows better than I do about what I want.
| aucisson_masque wrote:
| Last time I checked, Linux didn't have hardware acceleration
| for videos in most browsers. I think it was 2 or 3 years ago,
| certainly way after "the late 00's".
|
| In my opinion, an operating system that sucks the battery out
| of your laptop is not good enough.
|
| Just one exemple but I think it's pretty straightforward.
| jasomill wrote:
| Worse: while, as a technical user with decades of *nix
| experience (SunOS since 4.1.x, FreeBSD since 2.x, Linux since
| Red Hat [not Enterprise] 6, NEXTSTEP and its successors since
| 3.3, etc.), I've never had trouble getting hardware decoding
| working in Linux browsers with a little elbow grease, the
| overall support picture is not straightforward at all.
|
| Whether hardware decoding works in browsers on Linux depends
| on the Linux distro, the browser, the hardware, and how the
| browser is packaged and configured.
|
| It may be disabled by default. X11 backends may in some cases
| have broader decode support than Wayland backends or vice
| versa. And at least one popular distro, Fedora, packages
| video decoding libraries with patent-encumbered codecs
| disabled, which need to be replaced with libraries from a
| third-party repo for hardware decoding to work _except_ in
| the case of applications installed via packaging mechanisms
| that vendor dependencies like Flatpak.
| Neikius wrote:
| This one is a real pain yes. Contributes a lot to bad
| battery life on laptops
| d3Xt3r wrote:
| > _It 's enough that I've considered giving up online play all
| together just to have a nicer computing experience._
|
| Why don't you play games that actually work online, instead of
| giving it up altogether?
|
| Diablo 2/3/4/D2R/PD2, Path of Exile 1/2, Last Epoch, Fall Guys,
| Age of Empires, Forza, MS Flight Simulator, Quake
| 3/4/Champions, The Finals, CS2, TF2, Halo Infinite... there's a
| bunch more I'm missing, but you can certainly game online on
| Linux.
| kotaKat wrote:
| It's almost as if Microsoft really loves to assault and abuse its
| users and claim its for our own good.
|
| I'm tired of being a victim.
| luxuryballs wrote:
| I hope this is better than seeing that Copilot logo infecting
| every menu, I've had to use registry hacks to get rid of that
| thing.
| rdiddly wrote:
| So they didn't remove it, they just renamed it? Reminds me of
| that time we fixed racism by renaming the master branch to main.
| Barbing wrote:
| Maybe comparing <the sum total of annoyance from reading the
| old name> to <the current sum total of annoyance reading the
| current name>, it was a positive direction overall?
| lnenad wrote:
| I mean, if you were to do that, I'd wager more people are
| annoyed with the change than were annoyed with the original
| name. So no, it was a negative direction overall.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| nope. to this day, it's still fucks people up and causes
| mistakes. it was stupid then, and it's still just as stupid.
| virtue signalling is always fucking stupid, and sometimes,
| like in this case, is flat out egregious
| smrtinsert wrote:
| At some point virtue signaling is fixing symptoms of the
| problem. Always had a problem with master slave terminology
| happy to see it gone.
| anonymars wrote:
| You'll be happy to know in the context of a "master
| branch" it never had any connotation to slavery, except
| in the minds of people who see _everything_ as a question
| of race*
|
| Anyway I'm off to listen to the 50th anniversary Dark
| Side of the Moon remaster. Wait, is "dark" an okay word?
| I didn't get a master's degree in English
|
| * Parallel ATA on the other hand, yeah, yikes
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _virtue signaling is fixing symptoms of the problem_
|
| It diminishes the seriousness of the entire anti-racism
| movement by making it look petty, out of touch and more
| interested in creating nuisances than solving real
| problems. The San Francisco school board got fired for
| doing similar nonsense during COVID, renaming schools and
| thus showing they weren't serious people.
| zahlman wrote:
| > by making it look
|
| I have yet to see a good reason to believe that it isn't
| actually the case.
| zahlman wrote:
| Can you, perhaps, cite your own pre-2020 writing
| attesting to the problem, and explaining why it should be
| considered a problem?
|
| Do you consider that using the name "master" for a branch
| tends to endorse or normalize slavery, or (even
| stochastically) increase the amount of slavery that
| occurs in the world?
|
| If so, how?
|
| If not, _why is it actually a problem_ to reference the
| concept ( _even disregarding_ the evidence that it was
| _not intended_ to do so)?
| rurp wrote:
| You need to add all of the real world breakage to scripts and
| tutorials on the right side of that ledger. Plus the negative
| effects of virtue signaling undermining efforts at
| substantive change.
|
| Also, are we supposed to ban the word master from all of it's
| dozens of normal English use-cases? I never got a clear
| answer on why git branch names were so much more harmful than
| someone mastering a skill or making a master record.
| seanw444 wrote:
| I suggest we all boycott Mastercard until they rename to
| Maincard. I simply cannot bring myself to generate revenue
| for a company so bigoted they'd use such an egregious name.
| moduspol wrote:
| And somehow academia, the most enlightened among us, kept
| their master's degrees.
| zahlman wrote:
| Somehow, "primary degree" _really_ doesn 't have the same
| ring to it.
| ecshafer wrote:
| I don't believe that more than .0001% of people actually felt
| annoyance. Master branch was used referencing a master, as in
| the master copy of a record, not a slave master. No normal
| people were actually annoyed by that.
| SkyeCA wrote:
| It was preformative nonsense that caused (and still causes!)
| more hassle than it was worth
| zahlman wrote:
| Can you name any person who publicly registered any form of
| annoyance reading the old name, prior to the movement to
| replace the name?
|
| Can you cite any person, _before, during or after_ , who gave
| a valid, coherent argument as to _why_ the old name _should_
| annoy anyone? (Or are you willing to attempt one yourself?)
|
| Note: the two arguments I am familiar with boil down to "it
| could be understood as describing a bad historical event, and
| _ipso facto_ must not be uttered ", and "if I am annoyed by
| something then that is inherently valid and you lack standing
| to question me, on account of my identity characteristics". I
| don't accept either of these as valid, for hopefully obvious
| reasons.
|
| (And in fact, I can't recall actually ever seeing the second
| argument deployed honestly. I can only recall seeing people
| _not_ of the relevant identity characteristics _presuming_
| that they were defending people _who would_ feel that way.)
| eps wrote:
| Slavery. It was meant to fix slavery.
|
| Rasism was fixed by not using black- and whitelists on
| firewalls. Separate endeavour.
| Glant wrote:
| At least Comcast isn't the company with the worst customer
| support now, we can give that honor to Xfinity
| shye wrote:
| People who claim the goal of changing the common terminology
| was to abolish or discourage racism are an example of why we
| are still having such prevalent racism all around.
| abcd_f wrote:
| What was the goal then? Of those who demanded the change.
| rbanffy wrote:
| Microsoft Live Copilot anyone?
| kjs3 wrote:
| Needs more 'Clippy'.
| rbanffy wrote:
| Live Clippy sounds very creepy.
| catlikesshrimp wrote:
| Live Clippy Copilot powered by AI. All turtles to the
| end...
| pndy wrote:
| Nah: _Microsoft Windows Subsystem for Clippy Copilot Live
| Foundation with MSN .NET Framework version 2026_
| porridgeraisin wrote:
| The copilot executable and the edge executable are actually the
| same! It looks at argv[0] to decide which to show you. You can
| move mscopilot.exe to msedge.exe, it still opens edge. And vice
| versa.
| jasoneckert wrote:
| I think we'll see this happen over time in all tools - individual
| AI brands replaced by generic AI icons.
|
| The real question is this: While the floppy disk became the
| standard "Save" icon, what will eventually become the standard
| "AI functionality" icon?
| pawsocks wrote:
| I'm guessing the 'sparkle' icon will stick around, for better
| or worse
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| I think it's even more than that, they'll be features without
| AI even being mentioned
| aizk wrote:
| Microsoft is collapsing under the weight of their own bloat.
| bachmeier wrote:
| I honestly don't understand Microsoft's AI strategy. It seems to
| be built around automating the writing process. If you ask MS 365
| Copilot (as opposed to the many other Copilots) what it can do,
| it's deeply disappointing:
|
| "Can you edit the Word document so the format is in line with
| these requirements?"
|
| "No, but I can help you draft an implementation consistent with
| the requirements."
|
| "Can you add this section to the 35 individual copies of this
| document in this OneDrive folder?"
|
| "No, but I can help you draft [something]."
|
| This is NOT the AI revolution anyone was waiting for.
| mring33621 wrote:
| It looks like you're trying to write something! Click here to
| have me fuck it up for you!
| madeofpalk wrote:
| This is decidedly the result of a lack of strategy. Microsoft
| isn't a single unified borg.
|
| Instead, all the little individual teams got their hands on
| these capabilities and they figured out where to shove it. At
| "best" there would have been the head of Windows or Office or
| whatever saying to all their reports "go do AI!"
| rdedev wrote:
| Atleast someone at some level need to think about how the
| user is going to use copilot right?
| samrus wrote:
| Its shocking how they didnt. Imagine how shit the culture
| must be when employees arent bothering to consider how the
| user will use the feature, just focussing on getting it
| through
| ExoticPearTree wrote:
| > This is NOT the AI revolution anyone was waiting for.
|
| It's Clippy. All over again.
| zahlman wrote:
| Don't let Louis Rossmann hear you say that, though.
| rdedev wrote:
| Here is a fun one. I had a column with around 200 entries and
| there were some duplicates in it. I just wanted to see which
| were duplicates and remove some of them.
|
| I selected the cells and asked copilot to tell me which ones
| were duplicated. Copilot had to ask me to copy and paste the
| cell contents in its chat box. It couldn't even detect which
| cells were selected and read them
|
| Why even have copilot inside excel when it can't even read a
| cell? This is what happens when all you care is about KPI
| metrics or what not
| NoSalt wrote:
| LOL ... of course it is.
| mring33621 wrote:
| Welcome to the new FartPilot!
| gverrilla wrote:
| Sorry if your a windows user, but you have no escape, only Linux.
| Until you get the time and courage to do the move, you will
| continually be abused by microslop.
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| Moved to MacOS, chao Copilot...
| cordwainersmith wrote:
| So they're reshuffling the branding again. At this rate they'll
| rename it three more times before most people figure out what it
| does.
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| Microslop? No trust.
| prmoustache wrote:
| That is a smart move from them. People have AI advertising
| fatigue but they sure like some of the features it allows. I
| don't know of anyone asking their 15y nephew to edit their ex or
| a photobomber out of a photo anymore, they just do themselves
| from their smartphone. They use automatic translation everywhere,
| they don't even look at links in web search but read the answer
| provided by an LLM, they sure fall into periodic meme/trends like
| converting photos to Studio Ghibli like drawing a year ago or
| whatever is trendy today, etc.
| smrtinsert wrote:
| Deep copilot integration feels so intrusive. It pops up with your
| recent files. What if they were my bank accounts or api keys?
| Whoever thought that would be a good use experience should be
| fired.
| drooopy wrote:
| They're doomed to repeat the cycle of reinventing Clippy every
| few years and always failing at it.
| mikaeluman wrote:
| I have been using Windows on my laptop and been annoyed by how
| performance have really degraded.
|
| RAM consumption on startup is 50% (of 16Gi).
|
| I asked claude to help me remove bloat and was horrified by all
| the different background services and "enhanced" and "advanced"
| features that are always ON.
|
| I don't think it's fair to say "no AI in any app", however. That
| should depend on the value delivered in the app.
|
| But I do wish there was some honest restraint on all these weird
| OS services that no one wants/uses.
| sedatk wrote:
| Good news: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/03/23/microsoft-
| confirms-...
| scotty79 wrote:
| If only there was a virtual machine I could run Windows in with
| full hardware passthrough, I think I wouldn't ever install
| Windows as main system anymore.
| andrewdubinsky wrote:
| Please let it be Cortana. Don't give up on her.
| AuryGlenz wrote:
| For real, it was insane to drop Cortana. Halo-aside, it's a
| great name for an AI assistant.
| MengerSponge wrote:
| Deep lore, seems helpful, cute avatar, becomes evil? Yeah
| it's a perfect name for an AI assistant
| mentos wrote:
| And since Cortana isn't a widely used name like Alexa, it
| spares a whole generation of people named Alexa from that
| inconvenience.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Previously:
|
| _Microsoft starts removing Copilot buttons from Windows 11 apps_
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47722136
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| who of you is using Notepad for anything?
| qwerpy wrote:
| I built a new PC at around the same time that notepad++ was
| exploited so I steered clear of it for a bit. And VSCode was
| becoming too clunky to use as a general purpose text editor. So
| I tried the new notepad. The new version is also clunky and
| sluggish, and I didn't want Copilot, so I switched back to
| notepad++ after a few days.
| 6DM wrote:
| I spun up an old laptop the other day and it has Windows 10 on
| it. I can't believe how snappy and fast that old laptop felt in
| comparison to what I've been experiencing on Windows 11.
|
| Especially when you consider that the old laptop has inferior
| hardware to my newer one with twice the RAM.
|
| I just hate using windows at this point.
| SilentM68 wrote:
| I like Copilot. Don't hate any OS, Windows, MacOS or Linux. Just
| don't see much thought put into the design, engineering and User
| Experience aspect of some of these OS iterations. As far as
| Copilot, I can't see a way to exist without it because it keeps
| me off my mobile phone :)
| themagician wrote:
| Please just make W11 IOT LTSC more available. Please. Pretty
| please?
| WhiteDawn wrote:
| Microsoft put AI, Tabs, a login portal, a 'search with bing'
| action and text formatting on notepad before a 'redo' button to
| pair with the 'undo' action.
|
| That says everything about the current product priorities that
| you need to know.
| rdedev wrote:
| My recent frustration is with Powerpoint Designer suggestions.
| Who asked for this? The suggestions don't make sense or look
| good. And then microsoft provides a helpful tip to not pop open
| suggestions till the next time powerpoint is opened
| buildbot wrote:
| Those do super fun things to slide numbering too sometimes,
| so you get 2 slide sixes, and no slide eight.
| cdrnsf wrote:
| Turns out users don't want your AI features. But, sure, paint the
| dumpster fire.
| kelvinjps10 wrote:
| windos copilot will become cortana. (as a useless feature of the
| OS)
| kccqzy wrote:
| > At this point, Microsoft is walking a tightrope. It cannot
| appease everyone since it also has its shareholders and investors
| to think about, but then there's also a rather large Windows 11
| user base which really is fed up of AI experiences being shoved
| down its throats.
|
| Are shareholders and investors stupid enough to think that AI
| hated by users is still desirable?
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| Looking forward to seeing "AI for Copilot" released before
| someone at MS finally realizes they're idiots at marketing.
| josefritzishere wrote:
| I just want to be able to disable AI. Its just garbage. I do not
| want Clippy 2.0 inserting slop into my work product.
| gwbas1c wrote:
| Seems like it makes more sense to keep "Windows" security and
| bugfix only, and to do new feature development, such as AI, in a
| newer OS.
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