[HN Gopher] European AI. A playbook to own it
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European AI. A playbook to own it
Author : hjouneau
Score : 122 points
Date : 2026-04-12 19:51 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| BoorishBears wrote:
| Interesting reading this with
|
| > Tell HN: docker pull fails in spain due to football cloudflare
| block
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| next to it on the front page
| tclancy wrote:
| Other than you seeing a thing you want to see, why? There's a
| pretty well known story behind that. Also, this post was
| written by a mensch, so have some respect.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| I'd say that situation is representative of a very apropos
| mentality from a very apropos entity... but this reaction to
| even _mentioning_ that is the most telling signal on if there
| 's actually willpower to make what they're advocating for
| happen on the ground.
| camillomiller wrote:
| I find it so funny that the people leading AI today have names
| that could be the characters of a bad scifi novel.
|
| Amodei (love of god) Altman (alternative to man?) Arthur Mensch
| fighting from the ethical side
| AIorNot wrote:
| this whole timeline feels like a Bad Cyberpunk novel, Trump,
| Musk etc
| spiderfarmer wrote:
| Mistral is the only AI bot I haven't blocked from my server.
| amarcheschi wrote:
| Do they respect robots.txt?
| kreyenborgi wrote:
| How?
| dwedge wrote:
| I've tried Mistral a few times, at first it seemed promising
| (though lagging) but at some point it seems like they stopped
| focusing on AI and shifted their focus to being a mouthpiece for
| EU policy and pushing for regulation. I can't really take any of
| their announcements seriously anymore.
|
| A couple of weeks ago they were calling for a European AI tax to
| pay creatives.
| dr_dshiv wrote:
| "European AI tax to pay creatives"
|
| Love that idea.
| dwedge wrote:
| I mean we already pay a tax when buying phones or storage
| because it's assumed we'll use it for piracy so why not.
| touwer wrote:
| They are making some very good specialised models, like Voxtral
| ks2048 wrote:
| Why do you say they "stopped focusing on AI"? I see a pretty
| consistent release of pretty good products - particularly in
| speech and OCR.
| dwedge wrote:
| I used their OCR against a few hundred page PDF that was
| printed text but missing the OCR. It cost me $5 and was
| useless, it did worse than tesseract. That's how all my
| experience with mistral is
| SyneRyder wrote:
| I used to use Mistral OCR, but found it was better just to
| write a program that sent the documents to Claude Sonnet to
| OCR instead. Claude is far better quality, better formatting
| and fewer errors.
|
| I'm also using Voxtral TTS to try to replace OpenAI. It
| "works", but I've had problems with volume levels being
| radically different between different audio chunks. It
| doesn't seem to "understand the full text" the way OpenAI's
| voice models do, which can be more expressive. Voxtral
| sometimes sounds robotic in the reading. And some Voxtral TTS
| output contains music in the background occasionally, which
| suggests their training corpus isn't that clean. Try
| generating a personalized news podcast, and the intro may
| occasionally sound like the music for BBC News underneath....
|
| As for not focusing on AI, there's this interview in the Big
| Technology Podcast 2 months ago, where the Mistral CEO says
| their main focus is on helping companies fine-train models
| for internal use, over being a general model builder.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxUTdyEDpbU&t=1357s
| well_ackshually wrote:
| "I sent money to the god knows how many trillion parameters
| fully closed source machine built on billions of dollars
| and it worked better than the model that I can self host
| from the guys next door"
|
| yeah, no shit ? All you're saying is that you're happily
| locking yourself in to models you have zero control over
| and that Anthropic can fuck you over at any time.
|
| However, yes, Mistral is not in the business of providing
| you with a perfect, general purpose model. They fine tune
| from their base models for specific tasks.
| SyneRyder wrote:
| Mistral OCR 3 isn't open weights and isn't available for
| download. It's only available via API, or to companies
| via paid consulting with Mistral.
|
| "For organizations with stringent data privacy
| requirements, Mistral OCR offers a self-hosting option.
| This ensures that sensitive or classified information
| remains secure within your own infrastructure, providing
| compliance with regulatory and security standards. If you
| would like to explore self-deployment with us, please let
| us know."
|
| https://docs.mistral.ai/models/ocr-3-25-12
| https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-ocr-3
| edwinjm wrote:
| If they want to improve but find that European regulations are
| the main obstacle, it makes sense they focus on that.
| dwedge wrote:
| Maybe I wasn't very clear. It seems like they are in support
| of those regulations. They seem like an EU mouthpiece
| ____tom____ wrote:
| Sounds like the tax on recordable CDs.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
|
| Ridiculous, and it didn't take money from the right people or
| give it to the right people. I would expect the same from an AI
| tax.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Recordable CDs involved individuals making copies. AI is run
| by a couple of dozen people who give full access to other
| people's work, metered by the syllable.
|
| It was never legal for massive corporations to record other
| people's work on CDs and sell them; that's the opposite of
| copyright. The comparison is absurd.
| __natty__ wrote:
| I like the "european technology" movement not because of any
| nationalist ideas, but because it stimulates technological
| innovation and creates a new dynamic.
| rjtavares wrote:
| It's important to note that these efforts aren't nationalistic
| - they're multilateral. In fact, European nationalists are
| consistently trying to sabotage European efforts.
|
| On the bright side: people seem to be moving away from such
| nationalistic ideas. Here's to Orban being the first of many
| defeats for them in the near future.
| thrance wrote:
| "European nationalists" as in "nationalists which happen to
| reside in Europe", not "Chauvinistic European federalists",
| which feels like a rare breed.
| sixhobbits wrote:
| 58 Minute reading time. I read the first dozen pages or so and
| I'm not sure what the goal of this thing is, why they wrote it,
| who they wrote it for? Is it aimed at European governments? Or
| companies? Or people? Or something else?
|
| > This playbook provides a clear, actionable framework to
| position Europe as that powerhouse, accelerating AI development
| and adoption, attracting and retaining top talent, simplifying
| regulation without sacrificing values, and mobilizing public and
| private investment to build homegrown AI infrastructure. Only
| with it, Europe can ensure AI is not only developed in Europe,
| but for Europe and on Europe's terms.
|
| playbook for what?
|
| > This document is not a theoretical exercise. It is a practical
| playbook
|
| Seems quite theoretical? A lot of random statistics, and all the
| sections start with abstract empty claims in 'not x, y' slop
| format "Artificial intelligence is not an abstract promise. It is
| a tool that fulfills its potential when embedded in the real
| economy."
|
| I'd love an executive summary of this for anyone who has AI
| tokens to spend (I've got some other stuff to get done with what
| remains of my quota this week). I'm not saying this report is
| bad, I'm just saying it didn't do enough to convince me to read
| it, and it has some patterns that would make me guess it's bad.
| mhitza wrote:
| Indeed very slop-feeling "whitepaper", might as well be written
| by chatgpt/claude because it has the tropes.
|
| Multiple sections have expandable subsections for more details
| on proposals.
| enejej wrote:
| It's a load of nonsense.
|
| They essentially want a bunch of stuff and most importantly
| funding from the EU and using the FOMO angle to get them to
| act. This of course is not on merit. They see that no other lab
| in Europe really exists and are trying to seize an open
| opportunity.
| tjwebbnorfolk wrote:
| I hope one day soon EU politicians ask themselves why it
| might be that there is only one single domestic AI lab that
| is basically an also-ran at this point.
| simianwords wrote:
| META used to hire in Netherlands until it stopped and left. I
| wondered why and a few times I heard that it was because it was
| hard to be dynamic in the country with the stubborn labour laws.
| The anecdote confirms my own bias but there seems to be not much
| mention on encouraging risk taking allowing dynamic
| entrepreneurship in this playbook, which leads me to believe this
| is a non issue?
|
| But messagebird is another example.
| simianwords wrote:
| I feel like Europe needs to remove barriers and let people do
| things freely rather than stuff like "Empower AI students".
| Ambitious people will naturally find a way to get stuff done and
| you just have to allow it to happen and not get in the way. At
| least "EU AI talent visa" sounds like it can work by removing
| barriers to relocate.
| ForHackernews wrote:
| I don't understand why European providers can't just host open-
| weight models developed by the Chinese, or distill
| Google/OpenAI/Anthropic models to produce their own models on the
| the cheap.
|
| Nobody acts like you need to invent steel to have a steel mill.
| peyton wrote:
| I don't know either, but playbook item #20 has:
|
| > The mechanism consists of a revenue-based levy applied to all
| commercial providers placing AI models on the market or putting
| them into service in Europe, reflecting their use of content
| publicly available online. This levy would apply equally to
| providers based abroad, creating a level playing field. The
| proceeds would flow into a central European fund dedicated to
| investing in new content creation, and supporting Europe's
| cultural sectors.
|
| Presumably Mistral is putting forth the most pro-AI position
| possible for the region.
|
| So it sounds like anyone doing what you described is at risk of
| a tax that will make their offerings uncompetitive.
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| So why even bother?
| Barrin92 wrote:
| what's the point? The Chinese, Google and OpenAI are burning
| money and we get to use the service. Having AI providers
| locally barely creates any jobs, it's an easily substitutable
| service and it has (contrary to the claims by the AI crazies)
| very few national security implications.
|
| Steel is a great example because we don't pollute our rivers
| with steel mills any more either. As Milton Friedman said, if
| someone wants to give you steel and you give them green sheets
| of paper, be thankful, nothing's easier to make than paper.
|
| What are you losing, the bragging rights among nerds on the
| internet? Right now Americans are paying the energy bills, Sam
| Altman is paying for the compute, they make no money off it,
| and they're even publishing the models! So if push comes to
| shove, we can deploy them. But until then how is that not a
| great deal
| a3w wrote:
| The site starts with
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| > The question is no longer whether Europe can compete, ...
|
| But it, too, do not ask myself this question any more. Since EU
| seems to have already lost completely.
|
| Even Proton's new local AI service uses Ollama, which was
| developed in USA and is pretty outclassed. Does HN say europe can
| do more than hope to catch up in five to ten years, if the race
| is still on then?
| philipallstar wrote:
| The best the EU can do is things like Proton, which is to say
| pretty old, mature services that all the difficult innovation
| has been done on in the US, and all the risk-taking done there
| as well on what's a good idea and what's not, reimplemented in
| simpler forms and sold at a reasonable price. It's like how
| after patents expire, generic drugs can sometimes be produced
| very cheaply.
| sva_ wrote:
| There's this sentiment in Germany that if you can't make in
| industry, you work for the government or - even worse - become a
| politician. It seems like Mistral took that to the next level;
| they can't compete so they do lobbying instead.
|
| Being European, I love the idea of European AI labs. But I wish
| there was more competition.
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| That being said, as a German for example, I can't think of an AI
| company successfully training a competitive foundation model
| here. The copyright mafia would take your investor's money before
| you could even finish the first training run (hyperbole.)
| martin-t wrote:
| In that case, hopefully the copyright mafia will take the money
| from US and Chinese LLM companies and redistribute it to the
| people who did the actual work fueling the models, such as
| myself.
|
| I did not spend 10 years writing (A)GPL code for all of it to
| be stripped of its license, remixed and sold for profit.
|
| Of course in a truly just world, the LLM companies who took my
| code without permission would beg with offers of owning a share
| of them because if I didn't consent their models would have to
| be destroyed.
|
| Since my work is apparently so valuable that they just have to
| have it, it should count towards my retirement age too.
| hparadiz wrote:
| Can you prove your work was used in any of these models? And
| if so what percentage of your work constitutes the model?
| imbus wrote:
| I like the sentiment. Keeps a lot of people out of politics so
| the few can rob everyone else blind. No no, you don't want this
| job it's for loser hacks only.
| taurath wrote:
| Nobody can compete with trillions of dollars of capital if it's
| a race for capital.
| jgalt212 wrote:
| I'm not sure about that. Post GFC the ECB printed plenty of
| cash as well.
|
| https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ECBASSETSW
| mhitza wrote:
| Reads like asking for a EU handout. It touches on some visible
| issues in the single market, but most of what I've seen is not
| warranted. Eg. minimum spending quotas for AI
| work/integration/research, using European models (basically today
| = use Mistral), or carving residency process exceptions for AI
| researchers.
| hobofan wrote:
| I'm a fan of Mistral, but this seems to be 80% "make Europe more
| startup-friendly in general" rather than anything specific to AI.
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| Given how un-startup-driven adoption of new technologies usually
| happens in Europe, I don't see this playbook becoming a
| cornerstone of how AI adoption will pan out in Europe.
| sdevonoes wrote:
| Cynical. Start by allowing remote positions in Mistral across
| Europe.
| trvz wrote:
| I don't really care about the content, but European software is
| also when you switch to the tab the energy consumption of your
| MacBook quadruples due to some inane animations.
| zmmmmm wrote:
| The glaring number to me is only 5% of VC funds vs 52% in the US.
| That's 10x more opportunity despite _roughly_ comparable
| economies. As long as that is true, it seems like it will always
| be impossible to get an organic startup industry working in the
| EU. Any startup that is any good will almost certainly end up
| getting a round of investment from the US and most likely move
| their base of operations there.
|
| I wonder if recent US actions will start to influence this as
| there now appears to be more risk in sending your money to the US
| or founding your company there as a foreign entity than there
| used to be.
| enejej wrote:
| The funding allocation is a reflection of different cultures
| really.
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| I'm from the UK but there's no way there's the same density,
| drive, and hunger to take risk, to the extent that you find in
| US. Also there's a lot more synergy in the US vs a fragmented
| Europe.
| zmmmmm wrote:
| Yet the UK did produce Deepmind. Which you can look at both
| ways since it got gobbled up by Google. But it at least came
| from the UK.
|
| I assume the article excludes the UK, I feel like UK has much
| more of a startup and VC scene than Europe does and I wonder
| if that is part of the issue : if you do want to create a
| startup, the London is a better place than mainland Europe.
| So even startups that for whatever reason won't take US
| funding still land outside Europe.
| doctorpangloss wrote:
| There are places with the same entrepreneurial drive that are
| part of the EU. But look at an LP-facing deck for a VC fund
| in Europe, and I can't recall ever seeing an investment with
| a little flag of Poland.
|
| My belief is the underlying dynamics are less about,
| generalizing about cultures. Like you're right that that's
| what US VCs say, and collective belief is truth in markets
| even if it is not truth in reality. The bigger factor is EU,
| meaning French, Dutch, German, Swiss and Italian capital, are
| concentrated into the hands of large, opaque family trusts,
| structured primarily around tax evasion first and foremost,
| and other feudal issues, rather than minimizing the downsides
| of real risk or whatever, and that feudal stuff means, why do
| early stage investing? Without that there's little
| innovation. Hence Mistral, a growth stage company that
| everyone is happy making the growth stage, "dot AI" and "dot
| EU" winner. Presumably for EU sovereign wealth to be forced
| to buy.
| tokai wrote:
| Imagine all the great investments the US VCs are missing
| outside of AI.
| tjwebbnorfolk wrote:
| Not just startups or funding. Google alone has more AI compute
| than China and the EU combined.
|
| There's no shortage of capital in Europe. But nobody wants to
| take the risk. Meanwhile in the US, people are putting 10-100x
| the capital at risk. So you can say what you want about it
| looking scary to you to invest in the US, but the people with
| capital to invest clearly don't see it that way.
|
| More often when you hear VCs give interviews, they are saying
| the opposite: that never-ending EU regulations introduce more
| business risk than anything the US president could possibly do.
| enejej wrote:
| I'm not all that convinced on the regulation part.
|
| Ultimately it's all about investing money to create real
| assets that generate cash flows. One can side step
| regulations to some extent whilst developing a product
| (nobody cares/notices until you are actually growing fast)
| and then deal with regulations later. Uber already showed
| this and the leading AI firms are following the same act -
| having ripped off a lot of content but nobody threw a fit
| until a legit asset came out of it.
| m3drano wrote:
| The paper has plenty of things, but seems to me the gist of it is
| that they want to secure the public procurement cash flow in lieu
| of venture capital? I may be reading this wrong, but all the
| labels and normative proposals listed point to that.
| jamesblonde wrote:
| I lead a European owned and operated Data/AI company, Hopsworks.
| We are the only competitor to Databricks/Snowflake/etc based-in
| and from Europe. We can still compete, as we have a deep
| research/industry background (ex-MySQL and KTH folks). Crossing
| the chasm is harder from here. Even if you build a great product
| (we are best at real-time AI) - we had a paper at SIGMOD 2024
| where we showed higher thoughput/lower latency by a factor of
| 4-40X Databricks, AWS Sagemaker, and GCP vertex - we lack the
| echo chamber. (Try the mental exercise where Databricks' peers
| acknowledge massive over-performance through a peer-reviewed
| paper and imagine how much noise it would generate). Still, we
| can replace our competitor at their largest European customer,
| Zalando, for real-time AI. But it's a much harder slog than it
| should be due to the 10X lower round sizes (due to 10X smaller VC
| fund sizes). European pension funds place way more money in US VC
| funds than in EU VC funds - that is self-defeating.
| raincole wrote:
| > The question is no longer whether Europe can compete
|
| What a nice tagline lol. You really can read it both ways.
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