[HN Gopher] Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net
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       Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net
        
       Author : shintoist
       Score  : 362 points
       Date   : 2026-04-07 13:23 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (jola.dev)
 (TXT) w3m dump (jola.dev)
        
       | turblety wrote:
       | I switched a year ago and have been absolutely loving them. Not
       | just because we can support a EU based CDN, but their Magic
       | Containers are amazing. I can have global instantly scalable
       | API's that cost me barely $1 a month until used.
        
         | iainmerrick wrote:
         | Yes, Magic Containers is excellent. I don't know if it scales
         | _up_ to huge loads well -- that might be expensive -- but it
         | scales _down_ really well. For a very lightly loaded hobby
         | project it 's almost free.
         | 
         | A few people here are complaining about the lack of a free
         | tier, but Magic Containers can cover a lot of the same ground
         | as Cloudflare's Durable Objects, which IIRC cost a minimum of
         | $5/month.
        
       | mhitza wrote:
       | Unfortunately it doesn't offer free hosting for hobbyists. Even
       | for superficial traffic you'll have pay 1 euro a month (plus
       | VAT).
       | 
       | Not many DNS management providers (that I'm aware of, please
       | correct me) support CNAME flattening. That is having your A
       | record point to a CNAME.
       | 
       | Every time I purge the pull zone cache, I do it twice, cause once
       | from my CI isn't enough. My CI does individual page cache
       | invalidation during deployment, but there needs to be some kind
       | of delay (with no feedback) when assets are distributed across.
        
         | joehart42 wrote:
         | oh no a euro a month for a service. How will we financially
         | recover?
        
           | miyuru wrote:
           | not everyone lives in the USA or earns USA based salaries.
           | 
           | also I said this in a another thread, they charges 1$ even
           | for single testing http request.
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46873521
        
             | shimman wrote:
             | Feel free to use local services then, not every company has
             | to support the entire world. Some are fine with a small
             | slice. Expecting otherwise isn't sustainable for the sub
             | trillion dollar non-monopolists companies, not without
             | massive public support from the government at least.
        
             | joehart42 wrote:
             | I'm not in the USA or earn USA salary but I can pay 1 euro
             | a month for a thing.
        
             | PKop wrote:
             | Why would you be a useful target market for a business
             | running these services then? Seriously, if you can't pay
             | anything at all, of what value is catering product
             | offerings to you? It is thus irrelevant that you aren't
             | happy with not being offered a free service.
        
         | pdimitar wrote:
         | Man, come on now, it's 1.20 EUR a month.
        
           | mhitza wrote:
           | Of course it's nothing, but it's also not a set it an forget
           | kind of thing, which in many ways for hobbyists is why
           | cloudflare/github pages are nice.
        
             | shimman wrote:
             | Yes, it's nice to have a trillion+ dollar monopoly able to
             | subsidize loss leaders to put your competitors out of
             | business.
        
         | BarryMilo wrote:
         | Other commenters laughing at you for the price... It's not
         | about the price it's about the barrier. Even if I love a
         | service, I won't get very many people to try it if they need to
         | enter a credit card.
        
           | fourside wrote:
           | I get that credit cards are a barrier of entry but I'm more
           | willing to give providers a break now that AI agents make it
           | much easier to abuse free tiers. It's also harder for smaller
           | companies to offer free tiers. If we want a more diverse set
           | of service providers we as customers need to be willing to
           | accept some trade-offs.
        
           | hobofan wrote:
           | It's also a barrier for education.
           | 
           | Almost all technological choices I made as a teen were driven
           | by "what hosting can I get for free, as my parents sure as
           | hell won't put down their payment information for that". Back
           | then that usually meant PHP and a max. 50MB MySQL.
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | If you've ever offered an online service, charging "the
             | dollar" reduces a ton of spam/abuse you have to deal with.
        
               | gertop wrote:
               | I have been the service provider who had to paywall just
               | to stop the spammers and you're right. But it's also true
               | that kids will be collateral damage (or anyone without a
               | credit card).
               | 
               | In my case, and it was the 90s, I took the time to setup
               | a way to pay by calling a premium (1-900) for $1.49
               | number so the barrier to entry even for kids was still
               | reasonable.
               | 
               | Maybe in modern day the equivalent is adding Google pay
               | and Apple pay then you cover some kids at least (gift
               | cards and such).
               | 
               | Quite the hassle for the provider, and it will turn away
               | any person who cares about privacy. There's no way to win
               | anymore.
        
               | tensor wrote:
               | If a parent can buy their kid a computer, they can pay 1
               | euro a month for a CDN in the rare case they need it.
               | This is a bad argument.
        
               | bombcar wrote:
               | I think the point is that many HNer's had parents who
               | couldn't or wouldn't do "computer things"
        
               | hobofan wrote:
               | Pay 1 Euro a month... or 1000s if their kid fucks up.
        
               | zorked wrote:
               | I had trouble explaining to my parents what a BBS was. I
               | wouldn't want to explain what a CDN is.
        
           | tensor wrote:
           | If entering a credit card is too much you probably aren't a
           | potential customer. Part of keeping a service low cost is
           | keeping services efficient. Having a large pool of people
           | using it for free who will never become customers will force
           | the cost higher for those who do pay.
           | 
           | Good riddance to the "free" model. It's never actually free.
           | You either pay with your data, or have to consume ads, or
           | you're forcing other customers to pay for your free usage.
        
         | rvz wrote:
         | > Unfortunately it doesn't offer free hosting for hobbyists.
         | Even for superficial traffic you'll have pay 1 euro a month
         | (plus VAT).
         | 
         | ?
         | 
         | So 1 euro a month is too expensive for you? Wow.
         | 
         | Just pay the 1 Euro or go to GitHub where that is free but goes
         | down almost every week.
        
         | garganzol wrote:
         | The absence of free offering is not a bug in this case, it's a
         | feature.
        
       | senfiaj wrote:
       | > It's a single point of failure for the internet. Every
       | Cloudflare outage ends up in the news.
       | 
       | I hear this argument all the time, but I think it's more
       | complicated.
       | 
       | Firstly, if people used more diverse / smaller services the
       | distribution of outages would change. While there will likely to
       | be more frequent "smaller" asynchronous outages, many platforms
       | can still break even when only one of their dependencies break.
       | So, you might likely to face even more frequent outages, although
       | not synchronous.
       | 
       | Secondly, we are not sure if these smaller services are on par
       | with the reliability of Cloudflare and other big players.
       | 
       | Thirdly, not all Cloudflare infrastructure is fully centralized.
       | There is definitely some degree of distribution and independence
       | in/between different Cloudflare services. Some Cloudflare outages
       | can still be non global (limited by region or customers that use
       | certain feature set, etc).
        
         | themafia wrote:
         | Using a single provider is a single point of failure. It may be
         | that this provider has lots of internal failure modes, but
         | you're still one credit card problem or fake legal request or
         | one mistake away from experiencing the primary failure.
         | 
         | If you actually care for the resiliency necessary to survive a
         | provider outage you should have more than one provider.
         | 
         | Which means you should be running your own origin and using the
         | simplest CDN features you possibly can to make your use case
         | work.
        
           | senfiaj wrote:
           | Again, there is no simple answer. It depends on situations
           | and resources. Some systems might rely on multiple services.
           | If those services are independent, in such system this might
           | cause more frequent failures which might still result in
           | serious outages even when only one service fails. For those
           | kind of systems a single service provider might be more
           | preferable, because a single provider might coordinate things
           | more efficiently while with multiple providers you might wait
           | longer until each one fixes its problem. For example, system
           | A depends on system B. If both A and B depend on Cloudflare
           | and Cloudflare has 1 hour outage, both A and B will have 1
           | hour outage. But if A and B depend on different providers,
           | the situation might be similar for B but worse for A. This is
           | because for A each hour of outage in any of the providers
           | means 1 hour of outage. In such cases each additional
           | provider might be an additional weak link.
           | 
           | > If you actually care for the resiliency necessary to
           | survive a provider outage you should have more than one
           | provider.
           | 
           | Well, that probably means duplication. This might be too
           | expensive in certain situations. Also some occasional outages
           | might be not a big concern for some, such as most bloggers.
           | 
           | I'm not downplaying the downsides of centralization. Certain
           | things should be decentralized if it's reasonable. But it's
           | not always that way.
        
       | maxdo wrote:
       | make Europe great again, and no, this is so different from any
       | other nationalist moves :)
        
         | swiftcoder wrote:
         | Surely by definition, being pro-EU is automatically anti-
         | nationalism (at least for everyone _inside_ the EU)?
        
           | cbg0 wrote:
           | The extremists want you to believe that, but the EU is an
           | economic alliance, not a federal republic. Being pro-EU is
           | usually anti-isolationist, but it isn't always anti-
           | nationalist.
        
             | swiftcoder wrote:
             | > the EU is an economic alliance, not a federal republic
             | 
             | The line between those two things in the case of the EU is
             | awful blurry.
             | 
             | The Espace Leopold issues laws that are binding on member
             | nations, wields significant power over trade, fiscal
             | policy, and mandates open borders between member nations.
             | These are hardly the features of a purely economic treaty
             | organisation.
        
             | tick_tock_tick wrote:
             | > EU is an economic alliance
             | 
             | lol that ship sailed a long time ago it's certainly not a
             | full federal republic but it's a lot closer to one then a
             | mere "economic alliance".
        
         | lpcvoid wrote:
         | I am pro-EU and anti-nationalist. This works because the EU is
         | a collection of states.
        
           | noir_lord wrote:
           | I'm pro-EU and my country is no longer _in_ the EU
           | (annoyingly).
           | 
           | It's not perfect but it's better than the alternatives and we
           | _really_ need a power bloc (even if currently only economic)
           | that _isn 't_ the US and China.
           | 
           | Alternatives to US big tech are always welcome.
        
       | evolve2k wrote:
       | I've mainly been using cloudflare for the very excellent (and
       | free) premium DNS offering.
       | 
       | Easy upload of bind test files Flattened CNAME to support naked
       | domains Robust free role based permissions to add other ppl
       | 
       | Anyone have suggestions for moving a stack of domains, many being
       | little community and hobby projects away from cloudflare for a
       | small overall price. Agency pricing like migadu offers for email
       | on custom domains is what I have in mind.
       | 
       | https://www.migadu.com/pricing/
        
         | chrisweekly wrote:
         | I make a point of using a dedicated service provider for each
         | distinct service. YMMV but I'm happy with DNSMadeEasy (DNS),
         | IWantMyName (registrar) and Fastmail (email).
        
         | evolve2k wrote:
         | I should add a friend has recommended DNsimple.com and I've
         | previously found their service to be excellent.
         | 
         | https://dnsimple.com/
         | 
         | 50 cents per domain per month 10 cents per million queries
         | 
         | That's prob cheap enough to support lots of little hobby sites
         | and bigger traffic sites likely have some budget.
        
           | corford wrote:
           | Second DNSimple. Cheap to start and lots of nice
           | features/support if you grow e.g. terraform provider, an
           | acme.sh plugin, Okta support etc.
        
           | mawalu wrote:
           | I used them in the past (many years ago) and was very
           | surprised when my DNS was affected by a cloudflare outage.
           | Turns out (back then) they relied on the cf network for DoS
           | protection against their resolvers[1]. I was surprised to
           | learn that and honestly thought that if I already take a
           | dependency on cloudflare I might as well have them host my
           | zones directly for free.
           | 
           | [1] Not completely sure but I think this was the incident
           | https://blog.dnsimple.com/2020/07/incident-dns-resolution/
        
             | aeden wrote:
             | At one point we were using Cloudflare's DNS Firewall
             | product for our entire edge network. We have since moved
             | half of our edge network to our own infrastructure and are
             | currently in the process of expanding our edge network
             | further, so at this point an outage at Cloudflare should be
             | at least partially mitigated for our customers due to our
             | separate edge network, and eventually it should be
             | completely independent.
        
           | aeden wrote:
           | Thanks for recommending us, I (and the rest of the team)
           | appreciate it.
        
         | lpcvoid wrote:
         | Try desec.io, I use them and am very happy. Free DNSSEC, which
         | some other DNS hosters want to charge you for (IONOS, looking
         | at you).
        
         | nicbvs wrote:
         | You can use Bunny for DNS-only, it works well
        
         | zetanor wrote:
         | I've tested just about every DNS provider I could find. Self-
         | hosting and Bunny aside, my needs are especially well met by
         | CloudDNS and LuaDNS.
         | 
         | https://www.cloudns.net/premium/
         | 
         | https://www.luadns.com/pricing.html
         | 
         | I've found every other offering to be lacking. Some examples:
         | Cloudflare is alright but has settings footguns if you're not
         | used to Their Way of Doing It(tm) (e.g., before using
         | DNSControl, I had to manually flip switches to turn off
         | proxying every time I updated my zones). deSEC is free and
         | okay, but sometimes quite slow to propagate and its UI+API are
         | unwieldy. DNS Made Easy is often pushed on social media, but
         | it's ridiculously pricey for what you get if you don't need a
         | SLA. DNSimple seemed nice but IIRC I couldn't get a different
         | API token per zone (?).
         | 
         | I'm currently relying mainly on LuaDNS. For me, it functions as
         | a "dumb" DNS host (i.e., _not_ using their Lua configuration-
         | as-code system). Their API is oddly designed, but it 's been
         | passable since a recent-ish update, which has allowed me to
         | safely port my zone files to DNSControl.
         | 
         | https://dnscontrol.org
        
       | moralestapia wrote:
       | Nice ad.
       | 
       | >One of my biggest concerns though is around how easily I could
       | become heavily dependent on this one single company that then can
       | decide to cut me off [...]
       | 
       | How does switching to Bunny make a difference?
       | 
       | It would be super nice to have a setup that uses multiple CDNs w/
       | automatic failover.
        
         | Bender wrote:
         | _It would be super nice to have a setup that uses multiple CDNs
         | w / automatic failover._
         | 
         | Doable, but that removes all the free tiers of all the CDN's.
         | AFAIK they all require an enterprise account to keep using ones
         | own DNS and their own GSLB DNS failover. There are probably a
         | few exceptions and one could maybe make something of that but I
         | don't know which ones are the exceptions.
        
           | bakugo wrote:
           | What other CDNs even have decent free tiers besides
           | Cloudflare?
        
             | Bender wrote:
             | I don't know. I started to go down that path but all the
             | CDN's that suggested some aspect of try before buying were
             | in places outside of the US and had non US payment
             | processors so I moved on to other projects. I doubt that
             | there are many. I suspect Cloudflare only do it as a result
             | of dual-use and that dual-use may be backed by tax dollars
             | as there is no way a publicly traded company would give
             | away massive network resources at a loss but that is my own
             | conspiracy theory. _i.e. an extension to Googles birds of a
             | feather project._ Capture most web traffic, most DNS
             | traffic and learn who talks to who and why to form a risk
             | map.
        
       | ben8bit wrote:
       | We use them for a couple of things - very happy. I think probably
       | the best reason (other than service robustness): support.
       | CloudFlare is great until it's not, and you aren't paying $$$ for
       | enterprise support. This is probably one of the most underrated
       | reasons to switch to any lesser known (but still rock solid)
       | infra services. UpCloud too - great support!
        
       | tao_oat wrote:
       | I tried to move my sites to Bunny Edge Scripting and found the
       | experience mostly poor, unfortunately. A lot of failures without
       | error logs, and purging the pull zone cache only seemed to work
       | sometimes. A shame because I like their offering otherwise.
        
       | FryHigh wrote:
       | I had to move to Bunny.net after Cloudflare disabled my homepage
       | following a malicious report, despite me being a paying customer
       | for several years. I also never received a response to my appeal.
       | 
       | I've now been with Bunny.net for over a year and have been very
       | happy with the service.
        
         | Lihh27 wrote:
         | heh one bad report gets action. years as a paying customer get
         | you silence. ugly asymmetry.
        
       | akoculu wrote:
       | We had severe issues with Bunny and recently migrated off it.
       | 
       | Some of our users were unable to reach our CDN altogether. They
       | couldn't load any assets at all. Bunny's customer service was far
       | too slow to respond and mostly gave unhelpful answers. They
       | couldn't even identify the issue.
       | 
       | In less than 45 minutes, I moved our CDN entirely from Bunny to
       | Cloudflare Workers. Now our CDN just actually works, I don't have
       | to debug our CDN for the Bunny customer service team.
       | 
       | Also, this is obviously a marketing post.
        
         | programmarchy wrote:
         | Also had a severe issue with Bunny, serving videos. They had a
         | cache poisoning issue where they served a few frames from
         | pornographic videos right in the middle of our educational
         | videos. They did not have the multi-tenancy thing fully figured
         | out, and it became a nightmare scenario. After that, we moved
         | to a provider that explicitly did not allow porn.
        
       | GeneticGenesis wrote:
       | In the interests of transparent disclosure on such a positive
       | blog post, It might be worth calling out that all the links on
       | the page are all linked to the Bunny Affiliate Program. [1]
       | 
       | [1] https://bunny.net/affiliate/
        
         | gruez wrote:
         | Yeah IANAL, but this sort of endorsement with undisclosed
         | remuneration would probably run afoul of FTC guidelines, which
         | is why you see disclaimers like "As an Amazon Associate I earn
         | from qualifying purchases" everywhere. The author seems to live
         | in the UK, but a cursory search suggests there's something
         | similar there as well.
        
           | infecto wrote:
           | Maybe it technically under some regulation runs afoul. The
           | FTC would never bother themselves with this and I don't
           | believe it's in the spirit of the intent.
        
             | Kye wrote:
             | They might not enforce it consistently, but they do bother
             | themselves with it enough to have guidelines.
             | 
             | https://www.ftc.gov/business-
             | guidance/resources/disclosures-...
        
           | arcza wrote:
           | Maybe the whole world is not in the U.S. What is the FTC? The
           | Royal Air Force Flying Training Command?
        
             | paulddraper wrote:
             | Federal Trade Commission
             | 
             | An acronym as common as GDPR.
        
               | arcza wrote:
               | I'm just making a point the whole world doesn't revolve
               | around America.
        
               | philipallstar wrote:
               | There will also be obnoxious farts who say "the world
               | doesn't revolve around the EU" every time GDPR is
               | mentioned.
        
               | k33n wrote:
               | It kinda does though
        
               | croes wrote:
               | I guess it's reference to the fact that the blog writer
               | lives in London, so the US meaning of FTC doesn't matter
               | when a someone in Europe promotes a US service
        
             | gruez wrote:
             | >The author seems to live in the UK, but a cursory search
             | suggests there's something similar there as well.
        
             | fp64 wrote:
             | Now I'm curious, how is it called in the UK? I tend to use
             | "FTC" as the general term when I want to refer to a trade
             | regulatory body in a country, as in "UK's FTC equivalent".
             | I wasn't aware it is so obscure?
        
               | arcza wrote:
               | Probably the UK CMA (Competition and Markets Authority)
               | which regulates competition/antitrust, mergers, national
               | security acquisitions and the like.
               | 
               | Or there is a loosely defined locally-run thing called
               | 'Trading Standards' which is done at the council
               | ("municipality") level.
               | 
               | and for the record I am just being difficult and everyone
               | in tech/mildly well read knows what the (U.S.) FTC is. My
               | point is more that one country's rules don't always
               | matter for the operations of domestic commerce in another
               | amongst their own citizens.
               | 
               | We famously mock our own jusrisprudence - "if Parliament
               | passes a law that it is illegal to smoke on the streets
               | of Paris, then it is illegal to smoke on the streets in
               | Paris", so even when hard legislation exists (4chan/Ofcom
               | shitshow?) it is meaningless.
               | 
               | The only power that matters long term in the universe is
               | sheer force and hard power, and it has always been that
               | way.
        
               | zem wrote:
               | the fact that you can't name the UK equivalent offhand
               | should tell you how obscure these regional agency names
               | and acronyms are in general.
        
             | ghurtado wrote:
             | > Maybe the whole world is not in the U.S
             | 
             | Not _yet_. Working on it, though.
        
             | tick_tock_tick wrote:
             | It's pretty fair to assume someone on a USA site, run by an
             | American company, that is a major VC firm based in San
             | Francisco, in an article talking about moving away from
             | another USA company that is located all of 2 miles away
             | from ycombinator, and speaking english should be able to
             | put 2 and 2 together when dealing with contextual
             | information.
             | 
             | If they can't they probably should move to an international
             | focused site.
        
               | spookie wrote:
               | The author of the article is not from the US, and is
               | talking about a Slovenian alternative to Cloudflare.
               | 
               | Either way, we are on the internet. Pretty international
               | stuff.
        
         | joladev wrote:
         | Sorry, I realize I overdid it on the affiliate links so I've
         | called out the link and removed some others. Just thought it
         | was nice that they had an affiliate program. Nothing shady
         | intended!
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | Thanks, just something to be mindful of in the future. It
           | unfortunately can discredit your work if not clearly
           | disclosed. Thanks for the post!
        
             | stronglikedan wrote:
             | > It unfortunately can discredit your work
             | 
             | In a time where more people usually beg for forgiveness
             | instead of asking for permission, it already has
        
             | kay_o wrote:
             | A bit more than discredit, this is almost always against
             | affiliate terms so you don't get payout and often actually
             | illegal for not disclosing compensation.
        
           | paulddraper wrote:
           | Of course it's nice.
           | 
           | But that changes things
        
           | calmingsolitude wrote:
           | Thanks for the update. The usage of an affiliate link feels
           | quite dishonest here because the hyperlink says bunny.net but
           | then opens up bunny.net/?ref=xxxx
        
       | ewy1 wrote:
       | your enthusiasm for the service might be justified but having
       | every mention of its name be a hyperlink with referral code feels
       | offputting like i'm about to enter a multi-level marketing scheme
        
       | PUSH_AX wrote:
       | This has to be an ad right? Affiliate link in the blog, non
       | sensical reasoning for switching (single point of failure to...
       | another single point of failure) etc
        
         | smt88 wrote:
         | Yeah. I flagged this thread for spam.
        
         | joladev wrote:
         | It's not, but I can see how it came across like that. I just
         | wrote up my experience moving over, and I thought it was nice
         | they had an affiliate link. I've cleaned it up and called out
         | the affiliate link. Nothing shady intended.
        
         | DoctorOW wrote:
         | > _(single point of failure to... another single point of
         | failure)_
         | 
         | I feel like you missed what the author meant with that phrase.
         | The author wasn't talking about for their website, but the
         | internet as a whole.
         | 
         | > _I can't help but feel that the idea of centralizing the
         | internet into a single US corporation feels off._
         | 
         | The point of picking Bunny.net is that it's alternative to this
         | single entity that's got so much of the internet running
         | through it, and is less susceptible to the BS in the US.
        
       | Giorgi wrote:
       | Sounds like an ad which it probably is.
        
       | kugelblitz wrote:
       | I use bunny.net for CDN and DNS.
       | 
       | I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to
       | charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we
       | start charging $20 per instance now".
       | 
       | I'd rather have a low fee now, a change from $2 to $3 is more
       | likely and that's fine for me. But from free to not free is risky
       | for me.
       | 
       | I also like smaller, independent-ish ompanies that actually care
       | about developers. That's why I use bunny.net, transistor.fm,
       | Plausible Analytics.
        
         | akdev1l wrote:
         | >I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to
         | charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible,
         | we start charging $20 per instance now".
         | 
         | You can just move to another provider at that point. At least
         | when it comes to CDN and DNS there's literally no vendor lock-
         | in.
         | 
         | You can grab your dns records export them to csv and import
         | somewhere else easily and a CDN is just a file server so you
         | can just give your files to someone else easily.
        
           | glhaynes wrote:
           | Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it
           | makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.
        
             | nixosbestos wrote:
             | I used to handwave cloud portability. Turns out when you're
             | shipping things and need extra services and you have
             | deadlines, you build against the platform. I think the GP
             | comment was probably expressing wariness of the free
             | cloudflare tier that entices you to build against their
             | APIs and their product shape in a way that inevitably locks
             | you in. Sure, you could migrate, but that's expensive.
        
               | glhaynes wrote:
               | Yeah, good point. For a little hobbyist site of no
               | importance, I'm not too worried about vendor lock-in, but
               | that calculus changes as it gets more important.
        
               | nixosbestos wrote:
               | That's the catch though. By time you're scaling, there's
               | tension between roadway and revenue and headcount and
               | it's the worst worst possible time to need to reachitect.
        
             | Etheryte wrote:
             | Predictability matters. The whole point of paying someone
             | else to handle a problem for you is that you don't have to
             | worry about it. If you go all in on a provider and then
             | suddenly find out that you've been switched to a paid plan
             | in the middle of your vacation, that's not a place anyone
             | wants to be. Saying there's no lock-in is nice, but that
             | overlooks the fact that there most definitely is friction.
             | What if there's no mass export? No mass import? Or you need
             | to reset 2FA? Or etc, there's a thousand things that can
             | shoot you in the foot, especially if you have a lot of
             | services you need to migrate.
        
               | edoloughlin wrote:
               | Or your provider randomly decides you need to be on an
               | enterprise plan:
               | https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-
               | web...
        
               | broken-kebab wrote:
               | It's impossible to generalize over free vs paid in regard
               | to predictability. E.g. a provider I paid for simply
               | disappeared once when I was quite busy while my old free
               | gmail still works. Realistically CF's free tier is more
               | predictable than many paid options on market.
        
               | Kye wrote:
               | My threat model here focuses on what the provider gets
               | out of the free tier. Cloudflare gets a broad view into
               | activity on the internet for building the models they use
               | for their paid offerings. Free Gmail puts people on a
               | path in to Google's ecosystem with basically zero
               | marginal cost.
        
               | akdev1l wrote:
               | >What if there's no mass export? No mass import? Or you
               | need to reset 2FA?
               | 
               | 1. For DNS we have standardized AXFR requests which the
               | DNS provider needs to support as they are part of the DNS
               | standard. There is not an option of not having that
               | unless you have a really shitty provider that you should
               | change anyway.
               | 
               | 2. Same for Mass Import because again DNS already defines
               | these things at the protocol level.
               | 
               | And resetting 2FA or whatever is just the cost of using
               | any service
               | 
               | Personally I have used CF for ~10 years so I have saved
               | $240 and I simultaneously use GitHub Pages and CF Pages
               | for CDN because again I just need to give them a bunch of
               | static files. Adding a third CDN provider would literally
               | be a single command at the end of my build pipeline.
        
             | gordonhart wrote:
             | For personal projects, I'd rather just pay $2/month and not
             | think about it than get hit with a random bill and scramble
             | to migrate before the next month's bill. Bunny is perfect
             | for this use case where you have a handful of projects that
             | aren't all actively maintained. It just works without hand-
             | holding, and since you're paying for the service, there's
             | no rugpull looming.
        
               | xur17 wrote:
               | Don't you still have to worry about big bills since bunny
               | bills based on usage?
        
               | gordonhart wrote:
               | The biggest bill I've gotten from Bunny was like $10 when
               | my app (https://atlasof.space) briefly went viral and got
               | 100k+ views in a month. Bunny CDN is so reasonably priced
               | and the realistic visitor ceiling for my projects is low
               | enough that it's still negligible. The free->paid cliff
               | is typically a lot steeper than this in my experience.
        
               | wonger_ wrote:
               | https://support.bunny.net/hc/en-
               | us/articles/360000235911-How...
               | 
               | > Minimum Account Balance
               | 
               | > In order to keep your service online, you are required
               | to keep a positive account credit balance. If your
               | account balance drops low, our system will automatically
               | send multiple warning emails. If despite that, you still
               | fail to recharge your account, the system will
               | automatically suspend your account and all your pull
               | zones. Any data in your storage zones will also be
               | deleted after a few days without a backup. Therefore,
               | always make sure to keep your account in good standing.
               | 
               | You proactively replenish your balance, so in the worst
               | case, you can just let the account go.
        
             | osigurdson wrote:
             | I didn't downvote it, but I don't think migrating away from
             | Cloudflare workers, R2, D1, etc., isn't going to be that
             | easy. Basically, the build these things from the ground up
             | to work optimally for their infra - even the mental model
             | that you have to use is different. If you only narrowly use
             | one part of it, maybe.
        
               | akdev1l wrote:
               | >Cloudflare workers, R2, D1, etc., isn't going to be that
               | easy.
               | 
               | And how is that related to me? My comment said (and the
               | parent I replied to) mentioned DNS and CDN.
               | 
               | Now we add compute services, data storage, whatever D1 is
               | and the other comment mentioned auth/authz
               | 
               | Are people not aware what CDN and DNS are?
        
           | oasisbob wrote:
           | > At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there's literally no
           | vendor lock-in.
           | 
           | ehhhh, really depends on which CDN features you're using, and
           | at what volume. Using ESI? VCL? Signed URLs or auth? Any
           | other custom functionality? Are you depending on your
           | provider's bot management features which are "CONTACT FOR
           | PRICE" with other providers? Does your CDN provider have a
           | special egress deal with your cloud provider?
           | 
           | It's possible to picture this being easy in the same way that
           | being multi-cloud or multi-region is easy.
        
             | akdev1l wrote:
             | >Using ESI? VCL? Signed URLs or auth? Any other custom
             | functionality? Are you depending on your provider's bot
             | management features which are "CONTACT FOR PRICE" with
             | other providers?
             | 
             | I have no idea what two of those acronyms mean. None of
             | this is part of what a CDN offers.
             | 
             | Yes if you use DDoS protection, or cloudfare's ZeroTrust or
             | embrace $X proprietary features then what I said no longer
             | applies.
             | 
             | I strictly said DNS and CDN.
        
               | youngtaff wrote:
               | ESI = Edge Side Includes think Server Side Includes on a
               | CDN technology as supported by Akamai and used by sites
               | like Ikea to deliver a fast maintainable experience
               | 
               | VCL = Varnish Configuration Language i.e. how you
               | configure your Fastly services
               | 
               | If you're just using a CDN as a proxy then there's no
               | lock in but plenty of sites are using CDNs for much more
               | than that
        
         | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
         | If the rest of the market moved to $20, why would economics of
         | another vendor moving from $2 to $3 at the same time be
         | plausible?
        
           | rmoriz wrote:
           | While this will probably happen over time, free* offerings
           | are an anomaly you can't build a business on. But even
           | 1EUR/months minimum is probably too low to cover costs.
        
         | osigurdson wrote:
         | Logically, the only thing CloudFlare would do is lower or
         | eliminate the free usage tier. For instance, if X million
         | operations are currently free, they make X/2 operations free. I
         | don't think they would do that, but if they did, it couldn't
         | possibly be existential to any viable company.
         | 
         | Practically, any metered supplier can put you out of business.
         | It usually doesn't happen because destruction is mutually
         | assured.
         | 
         | +1 for using smaller, more independent companies in any case!
        
           | cube00 wrote:
           | Except for those cases where CF sales have threatened to kick
           | businesses off the platform unless they join an five or six
           | figure enterprise plan because they've passed some
           | unpublished threshold.
        
         | broken-kebab wrote:
         | >What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start
         | charging $20 per instance now".
         | 
         | This logic doesn't hold much water, however. Abrupt changes in
         | pricing or other conditions happen with paid tiers as well
        
           | kugelblitz wrote:
           | Yes, but combine that with a small-ish provider, this will
           | also hurt them (e.g. see Google Maps price hike). Either way,
           | if I use a service 20x a month and it costs $15, I can handle
           | a hike to $20, that's fine, somewhat predictable. They also
           | relied on those customers, they can't just get rid of all $15
           | customers.
           | 
           | But if a free offering suddenly says "We are getting rid of
           | free, only starting $899 a month baseline, because we noticed
           | our free users aren't converting and we only want to support
           | enterprise from now on". Well, then I have to move
           | everything.
           | 
           | Still a big price hike can come, but +20% monthly is easier
           | to stomach than if I can't be sure what will happen to the
           | free offering.
        
         | stingraycharles wrote:
         | > I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to
         | charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible,
         | we start charging $20 per instance now". > I'd rather have a
         | low fee now, a change from $2 to $3 is more likely and that's
         | fine for me. But from free to not free is risky for me.
         | 
         | With free offerings, you're always helping the supplier in some
         | way. Then you become the product. Which makes it difficult to
         | understand the value exchange; it's much easier to do so when
         | you're just paying a fair sum of money.
        
         | bensyverson wrote:
         | Well said. I use bunny.net for many of the same reasons, and to
         | support diversity of solutions in the internet ecosystem.
        
         | 66yatman wrote:
         | If you have the money it's good
        
         | TiredOfLife wrote:
         | A change from $2 to $3 is as likely as change from $2 to "call
         | us for quote"
        
         | tamimio wrote:
         | > free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now
         | 
         | Same thing can be applied to low fees services. Look at
         | bitwarden as a recent example, they doubled their prices
         | overnight and hid the announcement in some useless blog post
         | that no one reads, users found out later they are expected to
         | pay doubles in any plan.. why? Because "that low price isn't
         | feasible we start charging $23 plus tax for premium now"
         | 
         | And the same things you will do to migrate to another when free
         | -> paid you will do when paid_low -> paid_high if the pricing
         | isn't up to your expectations.
         | 
         | There's no protection against this, it's up to the business
         | model change, investors, greed (aka scale up!), you name it, so
         | regardless whether you are paying now or not, always have other
         | options ready for when you need to abandon the ship.
        
       | upmind wrote:
       | Am I the only one who thinks their reason for why theyre leaving
       | Cloudflare didn't sound particularly sound... This blog post
       | reads like something a Bunny.net employee would write
        
       | vvpan wrote:
       | I do not understand what it is about Cloudflare. Especially for a
       | blog post - won't pretty much anything do?
        
       | Manchitsanan wrote:
       | I'm currently running a SaaS on Cloudflare Workers + Pages. The
       | developer experience is genuinely good, deploying serverless
       | functions and static sites from the same repo has been seamless.
       | 
       | But I hit a real issue recently: CDN edge caching served stale
       | HTML after a deploy, and the service worker cached the bad
       | response. Took a CDN purge from the dashboard to fix. The
       | debugging experience when things go wrong at the edge is painful,
       | you're always guessing which cache layer is the problem.
       | 
       | That being said, the free tier is hard to beat for getting
       | started. Workers, Pages, KV, R2 -- you can run a full production
       | app at near-zero cost until you hit scale. Not sure if Bunny
       | offers that.
        
         | Sammi wrote:
         | Yeah ran into that too, and found someone else that wrote a
         | script for it, so we're not alone:
         | https://bash.cyberciti.biz/web-server/linuxunix-bash-shell-s...
        
         | ossa-ma wrote:
         | Cloudflare's biggest benefit is the wrangler cli which when
         | paired with claude code means that you can completely handoff
         | setup/debugging/analysis.
         | 
         | Some of you may be skeptical about this but it allows for much
         | easier management when working on multiple SaaS/hobby
         | projects/personal tools.
        
           | kordlessagain wrote:
           | I deploy to Google just fine with Claude and have ZERO use
           | for Cloudflare's toxic code.
        
         | jtbaker wrote:
         | DB seems like the main shortcoming in the stack for them. I
         | don't want to deal with the limitations of D1. Seems like a
         | serverless postgres setup a la Neon/Supabase would be a slam
         | dunk.
        
           | WilcoKruijer wrote:
           | They have Durable Objects which should be enough for most use
           | cases (it's SQLite with no limitations). Have you tried that?
        
             | starwatch wrote:
             | I've used DO's quite a bit. I'm a big fan... however I find
             | the database latency pretty hard to deal with. In the past
             | 6 months I've seen upwards of 30s for little side projects
             | running tiny (100's of kb) databases. Sometimes it's
             | lightning fast... sometimes it's a disaster.
             | 
             | As a consequence I've had to build quite defensively -
             | adopting a PWA approach - heavy caching and background
             | sync. My hope is that latency improves over time because
             | the platform is nice to work with.
        
             | jtbaker wrote:
             | Yeah, but then I'm heavily coupled to their proprietary
             | infrastructure. Maybe a good thing for them, but a
             | nonstarter for thinking about building a real business on,
             | for me and many others I'd presume.
        
         | wahnfrieden wrote:
         | Bunny doesn't have a free tier, but their greatest asset is
         | that it has prepaid billing: there's zero risk of running up a
         | surprise six figure bill just because of being attacked, making
         | a mistake with a deploy, or other sudden sources of resource
         | usage. I'd rather my site go down than to be on the hook for
         | hundreds of thousands, which many projects have no hope of
         | generating from sudden spikes in traffic of any source.
         | 
         | There's a cost limit to how much high availability is worth on
         | any project but vendors like CloudFlare don't respect that.
        
           | hak8or wrote:
           | And this is why I am immediately shifting to bunny from
           | cloudflare at this point.
           | 
           | A week ago I (a hobbyist running a small side project for a
           | dollar or two a month in normal usage, so my account is
           | marked as "individual") got hit with a ~$17,000 bill from
           | Google cloud because some combination of key got leaked or my
           | homelab got compromised, and the attacker consumed tens of
           | thousands in gemini usage in only a few hours.
           | 
           | Google denied a rate adjustment, and haven't reached back out
           | to me for a good few days now. My credit card denied the
           | charge because it was over my credit limit by a good few
           | thousand dollars and they suspected fraud, but now I am
           | terrified of being taken to collections and ruining my
           | prospects of renting an apartment due to my credit
           | score/history being ruined, or them just taking me to court.
           | 
           | I am never going to use "use now pay later" services,
           | especially with cloud portals where it's so hard to put in a
           | actual cap, and the cloud provider not having any sane rate
           | limits. I am fine paying if it was negligence or a mistake on
           | my part as a very expensive lesson in security, but 17k is
           | brutal.
           | 
           | The fact they don't have an easy way to hard cap usage
           | (especially for an individual account) and have ineffective
           | rate limits (how on earth is an account that pays a few
           | dollars a month able to run up tens of thousands in just a
           | few hours), makes me never want to use their (or any use now
           | pay later with no easy caps or rate limits) service ever
           | again. Or even a phone number to call.
        
             | shimman wrote:
             | If you're in the USA contact your state AG + Senator and
             | present your case. Mention that Google is abusing small
             | owners due to their ineptitude in security practices,
             | construct the argument that makes it appear Google is
             | squeezing small users like a mob boss/cartel.
             | 
             | Also before doing this save anything important that Google
             | owns (gmail, youtube videos, anything in storage). The
             | leaders at Google are vengeful enough to completely lock
             | you out for challenging them.
        
             | diarrhea wrote:
             | Just this month Google shipped what I understand as hard
             | limits in AI Studio/Gemini/whatever it's called this week.
             | I had existing billing _alerts_ (best you could do before
             | IIUC), but set these new hard limits up immediately. Feels
             | good!
        
         | michaelbuckbee wrote:
         | Bunny has a lot of that (they have a sqlite compatible API,
         | edge functions, but the call it something different, etc.)
         | 
         | That being said, I had enough issues with Bunny and CF
         | debugging across regions that I made this free tool to do both
         | remote HTTP and TCP traceroutes to keep my sanity:
         | https://dnsisbeautiful.com/global-http-availability
        
         | danielskogly wrote:
         | This is why we purge cache from CI after a deploy[0], and other
         | places when our users publish a story, etc.
         | 
         | That said, the edge-caching being how it is, it's possible to
         | run into some race-conditions where the cache has been purged
         | but not propagated to the edge network, and if visited too
         | soon, the stale version might end up back into the cache.
         | 
         | [0]:                 curl --fail --output "/dev/null" --silent
         | --show-error -X POST "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/zone
         | s/{our_zone_id}/purge_cache" \         -H "Authorization:
         | Bearer $CLOUDFLARE_CACHE_PURGE_API_TOKEN" -H "Content-Type:
         | application/json" \         --data '{"hosts": ["instorier.com",
         | "www.instorier.com"]}'
        
       | KingOfCoders wrote:
       | Have been with them for quite some time, have some Hugo websites
       | with them, do DNS through them, get their minimum $1 invoice each
       | month. Love them.
        
       | _HMCB_ wrote:
       | I use Bunny for serving up videos. Best service by far.
       | Inexpensive and fast streaming.
        
       | samlinnfer wrote:
       | I do have a question, is it even possible to have a CDN set up
       | where they don't MITM and strip your TLS and re-encrypt or are we
       | just picking which jurisdiction gets to inspect your traffic?
       | 
       | edit: I'm thinking of the use case where the CDN as a proxy for
       | APIs and uncachable content as well, where it used as a reverse
       | proxy for transit/ddos protection.
        
         | yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
         | Much of the point of a CDN is that they can cache responses,
         | and likely also make other changes. I don't _see_ how that
         | could be done without seeing what 's inside the request.
        
           | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
           | Comparing hashes of responses without knowing what is inside
           | wouldn't work?
        
             | woofcat wrote:
             | No, as the request headers would be different for things
             | like time.
        
               | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
               | Ya maybe. Blocks that are hashed perhaps?
        
             | OlivOnTech wrote:
             | No it would not work. TLS protects against replay attacks
             | by design, the same response (or query) in clear text will
             | not look the same in encrypted traffic
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | Probably not. That'd look a lot like a bunch of load balancers
         | around the world hitting your own backend. There's generally
         | not a way to cache web data without decrypting it inside the
         | cache.
        
         | sophacles wrote:
         | Why would you want a content delivery network for uncachable
         | content? Literally the point of CDN is to cache content and
         | deliver it.
         | 
         | Granted cloudflare also does DDOS protection, and that makes
         | sense for an API. For that you could do some DDOS protection
         | without stripping TLS, but it can only protect against
         | volumetric attacks like syn/ack floods and not against attacks
         | that are establishing full TCP connections and overwhelming the
         | app server. (rate limiting incoming connections can go a long
         | way, but depending on details, it might still be enough to
         | overwhelm the serving resources, your use case is up to you to
         | understand).
        
           | nazcan wrote:
           | It seems like having a feedback loop to the DDOS protector
           | could help a lot - i.e. saying how busy you are.
           | 
           | At some level, it's like they become your edge router.
        
         | tick_tock_tick wrote:
         | I mean you can even use Cloudflare in a non-MITM manner. You
         | lose a lot of the "value" of a CDN but they support it.
         | Cloudflare Spectrum would be the product.
        
       | tambre wrote:
       | Seemingly lacks IPv6 though? Cloudflare requires you to pay them
       | and make an explicit effort to disable IPv6. Sad to see it not
       | enabled by default on Bunny.
        
         | forbiddenlake wrote:
         | How did you determine that Bunny lacks IPv6?
         | 
         | The CDN certainly has it: https://bunny.net/blog/ipv6-returns-
         | to-bunnycdn/
         | 
         | Depending on where I query from, OP's blog does have it as
         | well:                   # host jola.dev         jola.dev has
         | address 37.19.207.38         jola.dev has IPv6 address
         | 2400:52e0:1a04::1310:1
        
           | tambre wrote:
           | Seems @zorked is correct about some POPs simply lacking IPv6.
           | I simply happened to hit one of those. Quite disappointing
           | but I guess Bunny is on the cheap side and doesn't actually
           | own or manage their network like big CDNs do.
        
         | zorked wrote:
         | They do support IPv6 but not in every POP, unless something
         | changed.
         | 
         | I have IPv6-only backends and I had to select serving from the
         | main POPs rather than the entire network (which is fine by me
         | as they are also cheaper).
        
       | sassymuffinz wrote:
       | I use bunny as an image serving and video streaming across
       | multiple projects and it is excellent, never had an issue with
       | it.
       | 
       | They recently upgraded the player for streaming media, we use in
       | one instance for tutorial videos, that apparently adds some
       | missing accessibility features. All we needed to do was adjust
       | the embed URL structure we were using and all set.
        
       | msavara wrote:
       | Yes. Bunny is excellent, never had an issue with it.
        
       | __natty__ wrote:
       | I love bunny.net. For my use case it provides lower latency than
       | Cloudflare.
        
       | smartbit wrote:
       | IMHO main benefit of bunny.net is that as an Slovenian company
       | they adhere to the GDPR, no GAG orders, and offer an _Data
       | Processing Agreement_ (DPA) when _Personally Identifiable
       | Information_ (PII) is involved.
       | 
       | See https://bunny.net/gdpr/. Also noticed this:
       | 
       |  _While uncommon, bunny.net also provides a way to block users
       | from the EU from accessing your content altogether by using our
       | traffic manager tools if you do not wish to serve users from the
       | European Union._ Which I assume can be reversed, _only_ serving
       | to users from the EU.
        
       | sylens wrote:
       | I would probably switch off Cloudflare if I didn't also make use
       | of their Cloudflare Tunnels service for sharing some stuff in a
       | way that doesn't require me to punch a hole in my home network. I
       | realize Pangolin and such also exist, but it's nice to get it for
       | free
        
       | Bigpet wrote:
       | Well it seems like whatever's on that page is blocked by the
       | corporate proxy malware scanner I'm currently behind.
        
       | runjake wrote:
       | Very small caveat: A lot of the education space bans *.b-cdn.net
       | due to malware, proxy tools, and other shenanigans.
        
         | kawsper wrote:
         | That's interesting, we moved to Cloudflare R2 for our CDN
         | solution, and we got reports from some european government
         | institutions that our assets weren't loading, likely for
         | similar reasons as you mention, so we rolled back whilst
         | looking for options.
         | 
         | The solution was to move to Bunny, and that worked for
         | everyone.
        
       | mannanj wrote:
       | R2 is pretty darn hard to beat. No egress, and only like $.57 per
       | million read operations. If you're running a video streaming use
       | case (and not using terabytes and caching or abusing your
       | bandwidth) I found no one else compares.
       | 
       | Does anyone have thoughts or disagree on this in terms of pricing
       | and cost effectiveness?
        
         | jrochkind1 wrote:
         | When you serve video from R2, you do it directly from R2 to
         | client, not with an additional Cloudflare CDN in front, and
         | that works fine? I have been trying to understand video and R2.
        
       | the__alchemist wrote:
       | Bun alert!
        
       | jFriedensreich wrote:
       | Cloudflare is not a CDN anymore but the workers edge platform, if
       | you can move to bunny.net, you were not really using cloudflare.
       | I don't understand how none of the alternatives really embrace
       | WinterTC
       | 
       | If i see something horrific like:
       | 
       | import * as BunnySDK from "@bunny.net/edgescript-sdk"
       | BunnySDK.net.http.serve(async (request: Request) =>
       | 
       | Thats a proprietary lock-in worse than what it tries to replace!
        
         | mark_and_sweep wrote:
         | AFAIC, WinterTC doesn't specify how to start an HTTP server.
         | Their minimum common API requires, among other things, that the
         | Request and Response interfaces from the fetch specification
         | are present. Unfortunately, it does not specify any sort of
         | serve function.
        
           | jFriedensreich wrote:
           | Because an edge runtime should not directly start servers in
           | the first place. You provide handlers that fulfil requests
           | from the system. Edge runtimes that pretend to start the
           | servers in the edge worker context are flawed and ugly from
           | the very start. APIs like that leak implementation details
           | and increase vendor lock-in for no added benefit.
        
             | mark_and_sweep wrote:
             | > > I don't understand how none of the alternatives really
             | embrace WinterTC
             | 
             | > You provide handlers that fulfil requests from the
             | system.
             | 
             | As I said previously, though I wish they were, such
             | handlers are not part of WinterTC.
             | 
             | And then again, how those handlers are registered is also
             | not part of WinterTC, which I also wish it were.
             | 
             | > APIs like that leak implementation details
             | 
             | How?
             | 
             | Almost all runtimes, like Bunny Edge Scripting, Cloudflare
             | Workers, Deno, Bun, etc. use the same basic signature for
             | the handler:
             | 
             | (request: Request) => Promise<Response>
             | 
             | Only how you register said handler is, unfortunately,
             | different for each runtime.
        
         | whh wrote:
         | FWIW, Cloudflare's edge platform is pretty proprietary too.
        
           | jFriedensreich wrote:
           | The platform yes, but the runtime and the APIs are apache 2.0
           | licensed and uses web standards wherever possible. Thats way
           | more open than most alternatives i am aware of.
        
             | shimman wrote:
             | Unless the project is controlled by democratic committee
             | where cloudflare doesn't have a majority of seats it's not
             | open source in any meaningful sense of the word, maybe we
             | should stop acting like corporate sourced software is
             | anything but an attempt to get free labor from the commons.
        
               | Dylan16807 wrote:
               | > maybe we should stop acting like corporate sourced
               | software is anything but an attempt to get free labor
               | from the commons
               | 
               | The point of this discussion is that you can self-host,
               | and you have a good chance of migrating the code away
               | entirely. That's a big benefit that isn't "an attempt to
               | get free labor". For that use, not only does it not
               | matter if it's _meaningfully_ open source, it doesn 't
               | matter if it's open source at all.
        
               | kentonv wrote:
               | I can assure you that nobody at Cloudflare ever thought
               | that open sourcing workerd would be a way to get "free
               | labor from the commons". On the contrary, we are wary of
               | external contributions. The Workers Runtime is a
               | complicated codebase, and we invest a lot of time into
               | getting new team members up to speed on how to write code
               | correctly. We cannot make such an investment in external
               | contributors who are only there to land one PR. Usually,
               | a one-time contributor trying to do something complicated
               | will waste more of the team's time than they save.
               | 
               | But in practice, we almost never receive major
               | contributions from outside the team. Which is fine. We're
               | happy just to have our team working in the open.
               | 
               | The reasons we open sourced it are:
               | 
               | 1. Support a realistic local dev environment (without
               | binary blobs).
               | 
               | 2. Provide an off-ramp for customers concerned about
               | lock-in. Yes, really. We have big customers that demand
               | this, and we have had big customers that actually did
               | move off Cloudflare by switching to workerd on their own
               | servers. It makes business sense for us to support this
               | because otherwise we couldn't win those big customers in
               | the first place.
        
             | mark_and_sweep wrote:
             | Their fetch handler [1] is not a web standard.
             | 
             | [1] https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/runtime-
             | apis/handl...
        
       | andai wrote:
       | I thought it was gonna be a captcha that uses this
       | 
       | https://www.goodboydigital.com/pixijs/bunnymark/
       | 
       | I'd assume most bots don't have a GPU attached :)
        
       | k9294 wrote:
       | We at ottex.ai use bunny.net to deploy globally an openrouter
       | like speach-to-text API (5 continents, 26 locations, idle cost
       | 3$).
       | 
       | Highly recommend their Edge Containers product, super simple and
       | has nice primitives to deploy globally for a low latency
       | workloads.
       | 
       | We connect all containers to one redis pubsub server to push
       | important events like user billing overages, top-ups etc. Super
       | simple, very fast, one config to manage all locations.
        
         | jonas21 wrote:
         | Are cold starts an issue?
        
           | k9294 wrote:
           | There is no cold starts at all. It's running non-stop.
           | 
           | Bunny bills per resource utilization (not provisioned) and
           | since we run backend on Go it consumes like 0.01 CPU and 15mb
           | RAM per idle container and costs pennies.
        
       | pier25 wrote:
       | I'm in the process of doing this for a Spanish client because of
       | the La Liga situation.
       | 
       | Only using edge storage, DNS, and CDN so far but very happy with
       | Bunny.
        
         | jrochkind1 wrote:
         | I had not heard of the "La Liga situation", but googled and
         | what I learned was that La Liga is a Spanish football (soccer)
         | team, and their players did a protest action about not wanting
         | a match to be staged in Florida, and the team owners tried to
         | say it was an illegal strike, but a court recently disagreed
         | and said it was protected protest....
         | 
         | I still have no idea what any of this has to do with any
         | clients moving from Cloudflare to Bunny.net, what am I missing?
        
           | infinita740 wrote:
           | Cloudflare is blocked country-wide during matches. For
           | example https://community.cloudflare.com/t/website-
           | inaccessible-from...
        
           | benhurmarcel wrote:
           | La Liga is the national soccer organisation, which organizes
           | the championship. They force the ISPs to block Cloudflare
           | during games to block illegal streaming websites. But then it
           | blocks a lot of websites that have nothing to do with it, and
           | there are games fairly often.
        
           | pier25 wrote:
           | As an anti piracy measure, La Liga (Spain's biggest football
           | association) was able to push the government so that all ISPs
           | have to block Cloudflare's IPs during matches.
           | 
           | It's ridiculous.
        
       | stickfigure wrote:
       | This isn't an either/or, you can use features from both and you
       | have to compare carefully. I used to do a lot of image
       | manipulation and had pluggable implementations for imgix,
       | cloudflare images, and bunny. Bunny is by far the cheapest and
       | that ended up being the mature solution (plus some custom
       | processing). But for other caching, R2, workers, etc CF is great.
        
       | winddude wrote:
       | considering the bunny.net site crashes, and fails to load with
       | timeouts, good luck with that. Unfortunately having a monopoly in
       | a CDN is kind of a benefit.
        
       | whh wrote:
       | I've been on Bunny for a while now, personally. It's pretty good,
       | and I managed to dodge the last major Cloudflare outage which was
       | nice.
       | 
       | But, a few things could be more straightforward. Cloudflare makes
       | the whole static site and DNS zone piece feel far more seamless.
       | With Bunny you will still need to stitch records between
       | different parts of their dashboard.
        
       | reactordev wrote:
       | The only thing stopping everyone is the convenience. Someone
       | already does this? Cool, here's my credit card. For the Non-US
       | folks, you're just as capable. Good to see a company like Bunny
       | realize it. It's just a bunch of computers and some networking,
       | what could go wrong? /s (but seriously, you can do this...)
        
       | fallat wrote:
       | I'd much rather read "Dropping everything for self-sufficiency"
        
       | kordlessagain wrote:
       | Anything that says goodbye to Cloudflare man-in-the-middlinging
       | is joy to my big ears.
        
       | mystraline wrote:
       | I reported this to HN a month ago:
       | 
       | https://social.mikutter.hachune.net/@mok/116208294430782702
       | 
       | BunnyCDN intentionally mis-writes any Mastodon request signing,
       | as to make it incompatible with Mastodon.
       | 
       | And, they confirmed it's intentional.
        
         | uxcolumbo wrote:
         | Why is it intentional?
        
           | mystraline wrote:
           | That was what the link indicated.
           | 
           | The user sent in a help ticket, and Bunny confirmed this
           | response rewrite was intentional and would not fix it.
           | 
           | I wanted to get this out, not to conjecture as to why.
        
       | amar0c wrote:
       | But 1TB of bandwidth with Bunny costs $10 while you can do tens
       | maybe even hundreds of them for free on Cloudflare. EU,Privacy
       | etc. to side, nothing can beat Cloudflare when it comes
       | performance/features vs. price
        
       | syngrog66 wrote:
       | I understand desire to get off US infra. But Bunny.net is
       | Slovenian, and Slovenia borders Hungary, a de facto Russian
       | vassal state. Other nations would be safer. If you want to de-
       | risk you should really de-risk.
        
       | kyrofa wrote:
       | > TL;DR my motivation and experience for moving my blog from
       | Cloudflare to bunny.net
       | 
       | In my experience the TLDR generally gives the
       | motivation/experience in brief. This feels more like a subtitle.
        
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