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Juggalo makeup blocks facial recognition technology (2019)
Author : speckx
Score : 213 points
Date : 2026-03-19 13:02 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| pgporada wrote:
| Whoop whoop
| schmeichel wrote:
| Where my Juggalos at??
| NickC25 wrote:
| 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, sitting behind the resolute desk.
| That person wears more makeup than some of the performers on
| _RuPaul 's Drag Race_.
| nathan_compton wrote:
| Don't sully the good name of Juggalos this way.
| garciansmith wrote:
| "By the time Presidents Jay and Dope were elected, western
| civilization had officially fucked itself over forever, and I
| think everyone knew it." https://homestuck.com/006765
| 1-more wrote:
| Detroit rap rock neatly broke along the prevailing political
| tendencies in the US
|
| 1. Kid Rock is the MAGA candidate. This makes sense: he was
| the scion the owner of many car dealerships and grew up in a
| house with an apple orchard and a horse stable but claims to
| be salt of the earth focused on kitchen table issues and also
| endless moneyed personal delight. Great article on the 2023
| NADA convention, btw: https://slate.com/news-and-
| politics/2023/05/rich-republicans...
|
| 2. Juggalos went lumpenprole left. Bad optics, problematic
| past statements, ultimately proudly unsophisticatedly
| populist
|
| 3. Eminem made "awfully hot coffee pot" and Rachel Maddow and
| Keith Olbermann went apeshit for it. MSNBC lib.
| _doctor_love wrote:
| I'm not sure if I totally agree but this is an amazing
| breakdown.
| 1-more wrote:
| The thing about Eminem is that I would have just as
| easily lumped him in with South Park Man-bear-pig style
| "actually it's square to care about politics" but
| "awfully hot coffee pot" having already made "Mosh" put
| it over the edge.
| soopypoos wrote:
| I wonder if I'm more likely to get denied entry wearing juggalo
| face or classic camo paint
| QuantumNomad_ wrote:
| Depends. Are you attending an ICP concert, or a military
| reenactment convention, or something else entirely?
| _doctor_love wrote:
| If it's the gathering, then all of the above is more or less
| true.
| zdp7 wrote:
| You would want to test the camo. I suspect there is more than
| just changing ones appearance. I believe I've seen a story
| talking about not needing to see the entire face. You can still
| id people wearing neck gaiters and other face coverings if you
| can make out the facial contour. I think you needed about a
| third of the face uncovered. https://hyperverge.co/blog/masked-
| face-recognition/
|
| Edit found a link pretty fast.
| hallway_monitor wrote:
| Pretty sure gait analysis is as good as facial recognition.
| Maybe wearing shoes with weird heights would confuse it
| MoonWalk wrote:
| Or put a tack in the bottom of your foot so walking is
| painful as hell.
| LooseMarmoset wrote:
| I wonder if kawaii face paint would work
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| Miracles all around us
| Forgeties79 wrote:
| You could throw on the SNL skit or the real video and frankly I
| wouldn't be able to tell the difference
| 1-more wrote:
| Here's the thing about "fucking magnets; how do they work?" How
| do magnets work? No less a science communicator than Richard
| Feynman--he of the rubber sheet gravity spacetime analogy--had
| no analogy to communicate why ferromagnetism creates attraction
| and repulsion. Here's his incredibly shaggy dog non-answer to
| the question about how magnets work wherein he says that there
| are no pat answers to "why" questions. He gets to the money
| line: "I cannot explain that attraction in terms of anything
| else that's familiar to you"
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8
|
| So I will defend that line in the song. I will only accept
| answers from people who can explain why ferromagnetism works to
| me assuming I know how electromagnets create magnetic fields.
| mikrl wrote:
| And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
|
| Y'all MFs unable to address the replication crisis, and
| getting me pissed
| refulgentis wrote:
| Clickbait, it's a couple tweets microwaved and the 3rd paragraph
| is "well, except for modern facial recognition"
| everdrive wrote:
| This feels like the real-life equivalent of that old Family Guy
| joke where Peter is with a squad of dudes in Vietnam but is
| dressed like a clown. He says something to the effect of "You
| guys are stupid. They're going to be looking for army guys."
| Outside of the absurdity of the situation, the joke is that the
| guy dressed as a clown obviously stands out even more.
|
| Juggalo makeup might block some facial recognition tech, but
| you also paint a huge target on yourself.
| teddyh wrote:
| There's an xkcd: <https://www.xkcd.com/1105/>
| jpsouth wrote:
| I genuinely believe there's an xkcd for everything. I was
| only reading about the creator, Randall Munroe a few days
| ago and he's clearly very talented.
| fer wrote:
| >covering features impacts accuracy of feature-based
| classifiers
|
| More new at 9. Plus it's from 2019.
| Findecanor wrote:
| (2019) ... but sadly increasingly relevant.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I guess LiveNation won't be running ICP concerts, then...
| world2vec wrote:
| They'll just charge an additional makeup fee...
| echelon_musk wrote:
| Shamelessly hijacking this story to recommend The Private Eye
| digital comic [0]. Set in a future where everyone has normalised
| the wearing of masks in public to preserve their anonymity. The
| protagonist refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't
| want a photo of himself in a database.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Eye
| GinsengJar wrote:
| You got any other comics to recommend in this style/genre?
| Cyberpunk, dystopia, etc
| autoexec wrote:
| Transmetropolitan was pretty good.
| gopher_space wrote:
| The subtext of that comic felt a bit like "what if Hunter
| Thompson was mostly sober?"
| xoxxala wrote:
| I cannot recommend Transmetropolitan enough. It should be
| required reading.
| autoexec wrote:
| Considering how long ago it was written it's both
| surprising and unfortunate how relevant it is to where we
| are now
| autoexec wrote:
| Thanks for that! Vaughan is great. It's funny that it's a
| digital release considering the topic. That small sense of
| unease I feel each time I feed my personal and credit card data
| into yet another website should only enhance the experience.
| embedding-shape wrote:
| Slightly bad example as it seems the company did "one of the
| first DRM-free, pay what you want comics", going to the
| website you can enter 0 and download without giving any other
| details (besides everything else you leak on the web):
| http://panelsyndicate.com/comics/tpeye
| dayvid wrote:
| Ever since Covid, people are obscuring their faces in public
| more often. I especially see gig workers wearing balaclavas.
| Partially for sun and wind protection, but potentially for
| anonymity
| burningChrome wrote:
| I would also add the Netflix movie "Anon" which came out in
| 2018:
|
| _In the near future, humanity lives in a technologically
| advanced, dystopian society. The government requires that
| everyone receive an ocular implant that records everything they
| see. The implant provides an augmented-reality head-up display
| to the user with information about anyone and anything they may
| see, as well as recording the user 's view. Investigations into
| crimes amount to detectives reviewing video and assessing
| whether an alleged perpetrator is innocent or guilty._
|
| _Sal Friedland, a detective with the metropolitan police
| force, crosses paths with a young woman who appears to trigger
| a glitch in his ocular implant, as no data about her is
| retrieved. When he reviews his own record of that day, he finds
| that every single frame of her has been mysteriously deleted.
| At work, Sal is handed several homicide cases where the victims
| ' own visual records of their deaths are replaced with the
| killer's point of view, thus hiding the killer's identity. At
| another murder scene, Sal chases the apparent killer only to
| nearly be killed when they hack his implant and change what he
| sees in real time._
| themafia wrote:
| > refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't want a
| photo of himself in a database.
|
| I refuse to get a "RealID" for nearly the same reasons.
| lucasay wrote:
| I'm more curious about how robust this is against modern systems.
| A lot of newer facial recognition models are trained on
| occlusions, masks, and heavy makeup -- so this might be less
| effective than people assume.
| saalweachter wrote:
| It's not actually an oversight or training failure; as one of
| the six societies which secretly rule the world, the Juggalos
| simply demand to be exempt from facial recognition.
| atomicnumber3 wrote:
| Juggalos, bronies, 9th doctor fans, billionaires, royals
| (baseball team), and royals (landed nobility)?
| saalweachter wrote:
| In _Inside Job_, it was Juggalos, the Illuminati, the
| Catholic Church, Cognito Inc [the main feature of the show,
| kind of the Deep State], the Atlanteans, and the Reptoids.
| stackghost wrote:
| It's likely that e.g. wifi-based gait analysis can be deployed
| to defeat this.
|
| The only saving grace is you can't run that against video
| surveillance footage.
| fc417fc802 wrote:
| But you can run video-based gait analysis against video
| surveillance footage. You can also index physical
| fingerprints other than the face.
|
| Maybe I should start wearing a hazmat suit with an opaque
| faceplate whenever I leave the house.
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| I'm wondering how well the Zenni optical ID guard coatings
| actually work.
| mcv wrote:
| Not surprising at all. It's a form of dazzle camouflage that has
| previously been shown to confuse facial recognition[0]. It's
| probably possible to design it to be more effective yet less
| intrusive than juggalo makeup.
|
| I would have actually expected it to be more popular by now.
|
| [0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/
| Setas wrote:
| What this really shows is how brittle a lot of facial
| recognition systems are once the input stops looking like the
| clean training set. It does not take some magical anti-AI
| trick. A small shift in landmark geometry, contrast, or
| occlusion is often enough to push confidence off a cliff.
|
| The hard part is not recognizing a well-lit passport-style
| face. The hard part is deciding how the system should fail when
| the real world gets messy or adversarial. If the fallback is
| bad, you either lock out legitimate users or quietly accept
| weak matches.
|
| That is why I think the useful benchmark is not top-line
| accuracy. It is how gracefully the system handles weird, low-
| confidence, real-world inputs.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Isn't being non-white good enough to not be identified as you?
| Sure, you might get identified as someone else altogether, but
| that's moving the goal posts from just not being identified. /s
| yacin wrote:
| maybe it's just from being covered in Faygo?
| alexjplant wrote:
| Faygo is unironically delicious. They used to sell them for $1
| a pop (Midwestern pun intended) on the East Coast in gas
| stations. Diet varieties of Orange, Moon Mist, and Root Beer
| were personal favorites.
|
| No idea whether this is still the case as I haven't been in a
| Sheetz in years.
| bityard wrote:
| Most grocery stores still sell Faygo in Michigan. But you
| rarely see more than the most popular 3 or so (boring)
| flavors. I remember there being at least a half-dozen
| different Faygo flavors at every kid's birthday party in the
| 80's.
| grimgrin wrote:
| you just called rock 'n rye a boring flavor??
|
| it's one of the regulars here i'd say. in my head i see
| cola/rye/cream as the "always available" at convenient
| stores etc
| bityard wrote:
| Yeah I guess you're right.. Rock-N-Rye and Cream Soda are
| actually pretty great.
| HardwareLust wrote:
| Sheetz quit carrying Faygo long ago, at least in and around
| Philly.
| hackitup7 wrote:
| I'll make sure to wear my Juggalo makeup the next time I visit
| China to avoid their face scanning technology. That'll surely
| help me blend into the background.
| Larrikin wrote:
| In 2018 it was already common knowledge that gait analysis was
| more accurate than facial recognition at the time. This would
| have been defeatable then.
| beepbooptheory wrote:
| How are everyone's gaits being collected? Is there gait
| databases at the NSA? Not being skeptical! Honestly very
| interesting.
| nemomarx wrote:
| You could compare gaits between footage of a crime and
| footage of you in another public place, probably?
|
| I don't think I've heard of it being used though.
| a2tech wrote:
| We only have discussions of the Chinese rolling out gait
| tracking widely. Basically you use existing facial databases
| to match ids to people in observed areas and capture their
| gait as they pass observed areas. Then it goes into the
| database. Using partial matching (non ideal observation of
| gait or face) allows for greater positive matching in non-
| ideal circumstances.
| MoonWalk wrote:
| To match ids to people? I'd think you'd match superegos.
| angiolillo wrote:
| DARPA projects from more than a decade ago (VSAM/WAMI for
| arial platforms like Gorgon Stare) used arial imagery to
| capture ground shadows for gait tracking purposes.
|
| From chatting with some of the researchers many years ago my
| understanding is that it usually wasn't accurate enough for
| unique identification and the gait shadow was dependent on
| shoe type and clothing, so a persistent gait shadow database
| wouldn't have been useful. But it could be correlated with
| ground-based surveillance for identification, for example
| person A and B were identified on a ground-based security
| camera entering a building, then gait tracking could be used
| to monitor where they went after they left the building even
| if they avoided ground-based security cameras after that
| point.
| Lammy wrote:
| Most people carry an accelerometer-equipped smartphone around
| in their pocket or bag, and there is already precedent for
| that data being collected and transmitted without consent:
| https://research.google/blog/android-earthquake-alerts-a-
| glo...
| water-data-dude wrote:
| Gait recognition is also easier to defeat. All you need is to
| put something like a few pebbles or coins in one of your shoes
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| This video provides other suggestions gets good at around
| 1:15 ;)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSOHGGgKD4
| glenstein wrote:
| I think dazzle camouflage is best understood as having limited
| scope of application as pertains to face recognition. It
| shouldn't be regarded as failing within its intended scope on
| account of gait analysis. Everyone knows you have to learn the
| juggalo dance moves to go along with the face paint.
| throwawaypath wrote:
| Did I accidentally sleep in a time machine? Front page of HN
| right now has articles on Juggalos and Afroman.
| oceansky wrote:
| The early 2000s are back baby
| jp191919 wrote:
| Let's not bring back Windows ME
| marcosdumay wrote:
| Compared to 11?
| bacchusracine wrote:
| I'm thinking...give me a minute....
| marcosdumay wrote:
| Take your time. It's updating...
| oceansky wrote:
| Well, the local file search is much better on ME at
| least.
| MoonWalk wrote:
| But let's bring back XP.
| defective wrote:
| Hilary Duff just released a new album too.
| iguana_shine wrote:
| The Millennials are getting nostalgic
| butlike wrote:
| It's so funny when a member of the younger generation
| comments. Younger generations are always trying to kill off
| the older generations. Both physically and metaphorically,
| too!
|
| It makes sense in a way. If you were actually successful in
| doing that, you could finally make the world in your image
| instead of having to work around all those pesky "legacy"
| viewpoints that hold back the True Progress of the Younger
| Generation. But alas, the older generation still exists,
| because the younger can't do it.
|
| But do continue with the passive aggressive comments. While
| it keeps me spry, you still get paid entry-level wages when
| you should be kings.
| dlev_pika wrote:
| As a xennial I wish we had successfully "killed" the
| boomers, but instead we have 3 septuagenarians blowing shit
| up all over the world
|
| We failed so hard
| frereubu wrote:
| Yeah, great anticipation for the undoubtedly forward-
| looking xennial Mojtaba Khamenei in Iran.
| mystraline wrote:
| Gotta really "love" the fact that extremist Islamic
| country treats a whole host of people horribly (women,
| gays, non-muslims).
|
| But if you say anything about it, you're an islamophobe.
|
| Same way if you criticize Israel's actions, youre
| lambasted as a jew-hater. But at least now thats starting
| to change.
| krapp wrote:
| Because people in the former group don't criticize those
| countries, they criticize Islam, and tend to categorize
| all Muslims (specifically Muslim immigrants) as
| ontologically evil.
|
| Meanwhile people in the latter group tend to be very
| specific that their criticism is of a state and its
| policies, rather than the religion of Judaism or Jews in
| general, even though their efforts tend to fall on deaf
| ears.
| mystraline wrote:
| Indeed, it both feels like the same type of pro-
| theocratic propaganda. Its a way to disingenuously claim
| "you hate everyone of our group", when thats demonstrably
| not true. You likely hate the actions a country
| masquerading as the group inflicts against others.
|
| My disdain is for all theocratic countries. I dont
| particularly care for any religion that takes over a
| government.
|
| And I do include the USA in that, as theocratic
| fundamentalist christanity. Ive done so since changing
| the pledge of allegience and adding "in god we trust" on
| the currency.
| butlike wrote:
| We hate the demagogue for being a demagogue and their
| followers for being stupid.
| krsw wrote:
| Gotta really "love" the fact that bigots and xenophobes
| treat a whole host of religions and regions horribly.
|
| To them Islamic or Arab is monoculture.
|
| Same way all countries in the Mid East are all barbaric
| and savage. But at least now thats starting to change.
| butlike wrote:
| Gotta really "love" the fact that "bigots and xenophobes"
| is its own overly-broad brush
| mystraline wrote:
| I am OK with you personally practicing a religion and its
| rules.
|
| I am NOT OK with you forcing me to follow some religion's
| rules.
|
| And yes, I will look down on countries whom choose to
| force a specific religion on everyone. We can look in our
| own backyard, with multiple abortion bans, which lead to
| many women dying due to miscarriage and needing abortion.
| Was illegal (cause of baby Jesus, spit) so women died.
|
| Or we can look at Saudi Arabia school fire in 2002 where
| the girls didn't have headdresses and were shoved back
| in. They died due to radical Islamic bullshit. Or the
| idea of "Religious police".
|
| Religion and government should never mix. Not ever. Our
| founding fathers and Marx were all right about that.
| burningChrome wrote:
| What would you change?
| masfuerte wrote:
| Look on the bright side. In three months Trump won't be a
| septuagenarian any more.
| cucumber3732842 wrote:
| They're getting old, and with that enough of them are getting
| rich. And that makes them worth pandering to so they can be
| parted from their money. See for example all the commercials
| that feature 90s crap and political talking points intended
| to appeal to them.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| On a side note, sleep is indistinguishable from time travel.
| gethwhunter34 wrote:
| counterpoint: this assumes everyone has the same constraints. not
| always true
| dsiegel2275 wrote:
| Also blocks magnets.
| throwway120385 wrote:
| The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to
| make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and
| publicly. We keep fighting it technologically which is an arms
| race. A cultural solution is the only path forward that will see
| meaningful success.
| mc32 wrote:
| I don't think it will happen for at least a couple of reasons.
| The "deep state" in the US and elsewhere will not allow it and
| would find workarounds ala five eyes. And two, the right wants
| to spy on the left and the left wants to spy on the right. Only
| a small sliver of libertarians are strongly against spying "the
| domestic baddies." So there is no chance.
| gleenn wrote:
| The only reason the deep state or anyone has any power is
| because most people don't care. If people cared, we could
| change. Modern politics is all about distracting everyone
| with some crazy as often as possible to keep shifting
| attention and basically disabling any progress.
| Avicebron wrote:
| There's some of that, there is also metric tons of money
| being used to keep the corporate status quo..
| sylos wrote:
| the deepstate has power because they will literally kill
| you if you don't and that's not the worst option. The
| deepstate will honeytrap, hack, blackmail, or otherwise
| destroy your life to get what "it" wants. People caring
| more isn't going to do anything if the Congressman doesn't
| want it known that he likes easy access to money and other
| illegal things.
| throwway120385 wrote:
| We have a constitution because people demanded what they
| wanted at peril of their life.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| _The only reason the deep state or anyone has any power is
| because most people don 't care._
|
| I think bribery, blackmail, and extortion have a bit to do
| with it to.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _The only reason the deep state or anyone has any power
| is because most people don 't care. If people cared, we
| could change._
|
| Yes, but that's just restating the problem.
| zdp7 wrote:
| As long as it is accessible and useful, it will be used.
| Organized crime is around despite it being illegal. Considering
| how lucrative tracking people is, people will do it illegally.
| Even corporations as long as penalties aren't significant
| enough. We really need a three strikes law for corporations.
| Three egregious intentional violations and corp, is dissolved
| all assets going to support the needy.
| b00ty4breakfast wrote:
| "things should be legal because some people will do it
| anyways" is not a very compelling argument. I'm sure I don't
| need to explain to you why extrapolating this line of though
| to, for example, murder is silly and not worth taking
| serious.
| zdp7 wrote:
| My solution was to toughen consequences and I didn't
| directly respond to your tech solutions won't do it, the
| implication I was trying to make was take self defense
| class (tech defenses). This is so when the bully punches
| you in the face, you may not have a bloody nose when the
| bully gets suspended (ie ineffectual punishment like giving
| a kid a day off for bad behavior). I have a theory that
| good actors need to work harder to profit, since bad actors
| benefit from their unethical actions. Most good guys then
| get bought out at some point by a bad guy.
| hallway_monitor wrote:
| Love the last bit. Lack of accountability for corporations is
| a problem. That plus stiff penalties for executives or
| individuals using facial recognition without consent should
| put a stop to it pretty quickly.
| hamdingers wrote:
| People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love
| cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and
| cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app,
| courts consider recording integral to first amendment
| expression.
|
| These are some big rocks you'll need to move, otherwise your
| amendment won't be worth the paper it's written on. Just saying
| "you can collect all the data, but don't use it for
| surveillance" doesn't mean much.
|
| I have no solutions, feels like we missed the boat if there
| ever was an opportunity to prevent it in the first place. We
| live in public now.
| rolandog wrote:
| Not sure if I agree that the only solution is to give up now;
| we need sensible people that know how the technology works in
| power and that are not beholden to serve big corporations,
| but rather the average person. We need less populist and
| long-drawn campaigns. We need less politicizing. And we need
| all of that yesterday.
| conception wrote:
| You can have a ring camera- "just"make it illegal to
| share/sell the data from it. Have it be an audit item.
| eesmith wrote:
| I don't think "courts consider recording integral to first
| amendment expression" is fully correct.
|
| Otherwise there could not be states with two-party/all-party
| consent requirements for making an recording.
|
| I think requiring all-party consent for facial recognition
| would not have 1st amendment issues.
|
| Implementation details and effectiveness are, of course, very
| different issues.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love
| cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and
| cloud backup are expected features of every phone 's photo
| app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment
| expression._
|
| As long as the recordings aren't centrally stored and sold in
| bulk, and sold to brokers and governments, that would still
| be ok.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Just this week I've been taking walks in my neighborhood, and
| the number of homes that chime or play a voice recording to
| indicate being recorded was shocking. I just indicate to them
| that I think they are number 1. In other situations where I'm
| in public with a camera cleary pointed in my direction I tend
| to do that with my hand in front of my face. If they are
| going to blur out the #1 sign, my face gets conveniently
| blurred as well. They might have a right to record, but I
| also have a right to silently express my opinion as well.
| MidnightRider39 wrote:
| > they are number 1
|
| Maybe I'm daft but what does this mean?
| dylan604 wrote:
| Giving the bird. Someone's not using their inner 12 year
| old self.
| bombcar wrote:
| The ol' double deuce. The finger. The salute. The bird.
| excalibur wrote:
| When you're walking around with your finger over your face
| all day, you should extend your thumb as well, so everyone
| can tell you're a Legend.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Maybe I should just get a custom sticker for my forehead.
| I'd fit in at cons with everyone walking around as a
| hologram
| bonesss wrote:
| > _The only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology
| is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use
| privately and publicly_
|
| So, contextually, a constitutional amendment to force private
| and public use of Juggalo Makeup?
|
| It's extreme, but bold change requires bold steps.
| SunshineTheCat wrote:
| All in favor, say aye!
| mywittyname wrote:
| The right of the people to keep and drink Faygo shall not
| be infringed.
| beau_g wrote:
| It would be interesting to first create a taxonomy of juggalo
| face paint patterns a la aruco markers/April tags, then see if a
| sufficiently large crowd of juggalos could be used to calibrate
| cameras
| nailer wrote:
| > a sufficiently large crowd of juggalos
|
| Some kind of gathering of the Juggalos?
| wr639 wrote:
| So maybe they may be smarter then they get credited for being.
| Probably not. But now anyone feeling uncomfortable about facial
| recognition tech now know what they can do to combat it if they
| chose. One question. Can you get thru the airport and onto a plan
| wearing the makeup?
| general_reveal wrote:
| Fucking magnets and shit, how do they even work?
| deltoidmaximus wrote:
| In Fall; or, Dodge in Hell by Neal Stephenson one of the
| characters happens by a group of young women wearing devices that
| project constantly changing colored light patterns onto their
| faces to prevent facial recognition tracking. It's barely even
| mentioned in the book but I wondered how viable that was of an
| idea. The character's only thought on the devices IIRC was that
| most people only occasionally wore them.
| nervousvarun wrote:
| As with most things cyberpunk, Gibson also did this masterfully
| w/ the Panther Moderns, specifically Lupus Yonderboy. One of my
| favorite parts of Neuromancer is when Lupus has his interaction
| with Armitage and says (from the link below) "Lupus didn't
| bother to count it, being sure that 'Mr. Who' paid well to
| remain so, and not be a 'Mr. Name', which Armitage received as
| a threat."
|
| Gibson (and later Stephenson) were prescient enough to realize
| that anonymity would be a commodity in the near future.
|
| https://williamgibson.fandom.com/wiki/Lupus_Yonderboy
|
| Really excited to see what Apple does with these guys in the
| upcoming adaptation.
| almostkindatech wrote:
| Gibson also had the 'ugly t-shirt' in Zero History, designed
| to mess with facial recognition
| https://www.wired.com/story/facial-recognition-t-shirt-
| block...
| dmitrygr wrote:
| It would work until algorithms were adjusted to it, which would
| happen as soon as significant number of people started doing
| it. Colors are defeated by desaturating, which is no issue
| since most face recognition algos run on greyscale data
| anyways. Blotches of bright and dark are defeated, for example,
| by a high-pass filter (eg: edge detection) on the brightness
| data to filter out large blotches but keep small detail
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| Sounds like a lot of work. Are Groucho glasses effective, perhaps
| with obscured lenses?
| tinfoilhatter wrote:
| Remember kids - don't pick up any currency lying on the ground at
| an ICP concert. It most likely has poop on it.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| ... reminds me of the time I was in Quebec and there was a
| Montreal Canadiens game near my hotel and there was a fan taking
| up most of the elevator because he was dressed up like a player,
| mask and all!
| FrustratedMonky wrote:
| With facial recognition camaras everywhere.
|
| Might be time become a juggalo.
| vondur wrote:
| I was hoping my corpse paint would also be effective at blocking
| facial recognition too.
| gcr wrote:
| Hey I wrote a paper about this exactly ten years ago!
| https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.04504
|
| I focused on facebook's detector (not recognizer) for reasons
| explained in the intro, but face rec has come a long way since
| then.
| adamsmark wrote:
| Whoop! Whoop!
|
| Need to disappear? Just go to the Gathering and find your new
| family. Pay for protection with Faygo.
| dyauspitr wrote:
| It will probably fool video only face recognition but it's harder
| to fool LIDAR.
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