[HN Gopher] Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he clai...
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Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will
transform flying
Author : jgalt212
Score : 72 points
Date : 2026-03-18 12:52 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| jgalt212 wrote:
| > "There's a sucker born every minute" is a quotation often
| associated with American showman P. T. Barnum (1810-1891),
| although there is no evidence that he actually said it. Early
| instances of its use are found among salesmen, gamblers and
| confidence tricksters.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_...
| NickC25 wrote:
| I'm sorry, but anyone Donald Trump has pardoned for fraud should
| not be trusted at all. It's literally a matter of "game
| recognizes game". If Donald Trump gets a cut of the fraud, that's
| all that matters to him.
| boca_honey wrote:
| That's was the article said. I think you understood it
| incorrectly.
| maxweylandt wrote:
| https://archive.is/https://www.wsj.com/business/trevor-milto...
| kotaKat wrote:
| "Investor documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal said the
| goal is for the plane to be the first light jet to focus on
| artificial-intelligence flight."
|
| Oh cool, can't wait for the vibe-coded autopilot to CFIT into the
| Rockies or dump itself into the ocean that it thought was totally
| a runway while a completely untrained, inexperienced hot shot
| with $10 million to blow flies this generation's V-tailed doctor
| killer[1] to their final destination.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Bonanza
| nhinck3 wrote:
| Sounds like he's on the verge of developing a valuable product
| then.
| crote wrote:
| What is it even supposed to _mean_?
|
| Airplanes have had autopilot (the genuine kind, not Musk's
| snake oil) for ages now. Commercial airlines have been using
| autoland on well-equipped airports for decades. Garmin's fully
| autonomous emergency autoland has already saved a few Cessna
| owners' lives. With the ongoing adoption of CPDLC the ATC-to-
| pilot link is also actively being automated and standardized.
|
| There are no big technical hurdles left to solve! The main
| thing preventing fully-automated flight from taking off is the
| industry and regulators (rightfully) being _incredibly_
| conservative, and preferring paying pilots over the horrible PR
| fallout of an incident aboard an automated flight killing
| hundreds of people. Artificial intelligence isn 't going to be
| of any help here!
| kotaKat wrote:
| The technical hurdle to solve they feel is getting the
| barrier to 'flying' dumbed down even more. They want this to
| be something that Joe off the street can get in with minimal
| flight training and go zip around in a high performance jet
| once their vesting clears and they can cash out a few mill.
|
| So... basically, an even more digital cockpit with more
| touchscreens and less verbatim information presentation on
| the screens. Why give you multiple engine gauges for N1, N2,
| temps, etc, when we can just give you one dumb "Thrust"
| gauge? Why make programming the autopilot a fifteen day
| course on the ground when you can just have a LLM figure out
| what your flight plan should be and punch it all in
| automatically?
|
| It's like how Cirrus positions themselves to be the family
| SUV of the skies with their products and falls back on "just
| pull the chute / push the Autoland button, bro".
| nradov wrote:
| You seem to be confused about the reasons. Fully automated
| flight is technically feasible (with the right equipment)
| under normal conditions. However, it will never be a
| replacement for a pair of human pilots for Part 121
| commercial passenger flights -- at least not without some
| fundamental advancement in AGI. The problem is not with
| routine flight operations but with emergency procedures. By
| their very nature, emergencies can't be anticipated and it's
| impossible to write code in advance to handle them. Whereas
| humans can improvise solutions on the fly based on first
| principles. A prime example is US Airways Flight 1549
| "Miracle on the Hudson" where the pilots intentionally
| disregarded parts of the emergency checklist to safely ditch
| in the water.
|
| The Garmin Autonomi autoland system is an amazing technical
| achievement but it's intended as a last-ditch way to save the
| passengers when a Part 91 single pilot is incapacitated. It
| would never be approved for routine non-emergency use and
| can't even take VHF radio instructions from controllers.
| 6510 wrote:
| You are missing the advantage of having an AI to blame
| everything on.
| JoshGG wrote:
| Says a lot about whether you can trust the WSJ.
| schmidtleonard wrote:
| "Convicted fraudster pardons convicted fraudster therefore you
| can trust convicted fraudster."
|
| Wild!
| ttubrian wrote:
| 'We Can Trust You Now' is a quote in the story from the
| subject. The subject himself claims:
|
| "I walk into meetings now, and I'll get high-fives from the
| most wealthy people in the world," he said. "They're like,
| 'Welcome to the club. You can withstand the fire. We can trust
| you now.'"
|
| The WSJ interviewed him and is reporting information about his
| past. I think the article portrays him as extremely shady and
| untrustworthy. Not sure what you could be seeing here to demean
| the WSJ.
| superxpro12 wrote:
| Shades of Goodfellas when Henry did his time and was welcomed
| back with open arms.
| huhkerrf wrote:
| There's a school of thought that reporting on a bad person
| without coming out and saying "this is a bad person" is akin
| to endorsing that person.
|
| Myself, I think people are mature enough to be able to read
| past a headline and come away from this with a clear eyed
| view of this fraudster.
| bloomingeek wrote:
| My rule has always been, forgive people, but never forget
| what they did. After they've made restitution, help them
| back to their feet, but don't let them ever get to the
| place where they can fail the same way. And whatever you
| do, don't let them get into a leadership position. They've
| already proved they can't help themselves when the pressure
| in on.
| cheema33 wrote:
| > forgive people, but never forget what they did.
|
| How many times are you willing to forgive? Trevor has
| seen prison only once. But frauds? Many.
| watwut wrote:
| I agree with you on the first part. But, if one needs to
| read past headline to find the opposite of the headline is
| truth, headline deserves all the criticism in the world.
|
| Headline is what is presented to the world. Headline is the
| claim being made to people who dont find the topic
| interesting. And majority of the people dont find all the
| fine details of pardoned CEO situation interesting. So,
| yes, if the headline lies, the news deserve to be
| criticized.
| schmidtleonard wrote:
| > I think people are mature enough to be able to read past
| a headline
|
| What trainwreck of misconceptions could possibly compel an
| otherwise reasonable person to believe something so
| ridiculous?
| seanhunter wrote:
| And pretty much rule number 1 is if someone says "you can
| trust me" you cant' trust them. Trustworthy people generally
| don't need to say things like that.
| boca_honey wrote:
| Why would you say that? The article was basically a hit piece
| on the guy. "We can trust you" was a quote from an associate,
| as you surely remember from when you read the whole article.
| schmidtleonard wrote:
| Messaging is attention-weighted. It always has been, but the
| exploitation of this fact has been on the rise and in 2026
| everyone should know it and internalize the consequences: if
| you signal boost statement A and bury nuance B, you are
| promoting statement A, flat out, completely independent of
| what B brings to the table.
| boca_honey wrote:
| "We can trust you now" has quotations marks in the title.
| That means a verbatim quote from a source. Sure, messaging
| should be clear, but we must expect basic reading
| comprehension and jornalistic literacy from people that
| participate in a place like a Computer Science forum, while
| reading The Wall Street Journal.
| Zealotux wrote:
| Fool me once, shame on you...
| jadbox wrote:
| The favor trading corruption is blatant without shame. More of
| the media should be highlighting these cases.
| etempleton wrote:
| In my experience, people who are compulsive liars or those who
| are willing to make large or repeated deceptions for personal
| gain never change. It is as natural to them as breathing. Some of
| them I am quite convinced believe their lies, but the net result
| is the same.
|
| I don't know Trevor Milton. I have never met him. Maybe he isn't
| a compulsive liar but just got in over his head and was trying to
| make it work. But I know I would never invest in something he is
| doing.
| hliyan wrote:
| Isn't this also in line with recent proclamations by at least
| two venture capitalists that they do not reflect / introspect /
| dwell on consequences in any way?
| kjksf wrote:
| No because you don't understand what Andreessen means by
| reflection / introspection.
|
| He obviously thinks you should learn from your mistakes and
| that you must be an avid and quick learner.
|
| But learning skills is not what introspection / dwelling is.
|
| It's spending times on thoughts like "what should I be doing
| with my life". "I can't believe how much of a victim of the
| system I am".
|
| And he specifically contrasted it against doing stuff.
|
| Writing code >>> walks in the woods.
|
| Obviously reflection is necessary to recognize mistakes of
| the past. What Andreessen was talking about that you should
| spent majority of your time acting not reflecting. Not that
| you should spent 0 time reflecting.
| philipwhiuk wrote:
| > introspection / dwelling
|
| It's surprising to me that you consider these equivalent.
|
| Introspection is a process of discovery, to uncover a
| deeper cause why you did something.
|
| Dwelling is when you can't let go.
|
| Introspection is important. Dwelling is problematic.
| triceratops wrote:
| > It's spending times on thoughts like "what should I be
| doing with my life".
|
| How else do you decide what to do?
| chneu wrote:
| They believe other people are doing it and by not doing it they
| are selling themselves short.
|
| Theyre not exactly wrong
| cheema33 wrote:
| > Maybe he isn't a compulsive liar
|
| I have followed Trevor for many years. And I think anybody who
| has done the same will tell you, lying is very very central to
| his inner core. He lies even when he has zero need to. He just
| cannot help himself. It satisfies some inner need.
| etempleton wrote:
| I grew up with someone like this. And otherwise he was a nice
| likable person. And his lies were benign, but he lied almost
| any time you talked to him. Most people didn't even notice,
| but once you did you couldn't unsee it. A couple of times we
| both witnessed the same event and he would have a completely
| different recollection of events that favored him and I think
| he believed those lies himself. I think for some people it is
| some kind of defense mechanism.
| some_random wrote:
| Just for once I want "CEO convicted of fraud making their
| comeback" to come back with some really boring business. Like, I
| want Elizabeth Holmes to serve out her sentence then come out
| swinging to raise funds to vertically integrate pallet
| construction.
| jlarocco wrote:
| If there were any justice, after jail these fraudsters would be
| working low paying jobs like fast food and retail, and the CEO
| jobs would go to people who haven't been convicted of fraud.
|
| But of course they'll leverage their connections and get high
| paying jobs like in this case.
| notlenin wrote:
| I feel like part of the secret to being that type of CEO is
| that whatever your business is, you can spin it into something
| "oh my god, much wow".
|
| Like it won't be just "vertically integrating pallet
| construction", it'll be "a heartwarming revolution in the
| construction of pallets, now with AI and blockchain".
|
| Kind of like how TFA mentions that Milton's new SyberJet will
| "pioneer AI flight".
| chneu wrote:
| Sell me this pen
| seanhunter wrote:
| Exhibit A: Adam Neuman, who somehow convinced people that
| office rental + shitty app that didn't work was "The first
| physical social network" and therefore deserved a tech
| company valuation.
|
| And to be clear he's not been convicted of fraud, he walked
| away from the cash bonfire with over a billion dollars.
| some_random wrote:
| This could make a funny bit as well now that I think of it,
| advertise your new enterprise as an AI NFT Blockchain
| Distributed Pallet Revolution but under the hood it's just a
| sensible Harvard Business School rollup.
| elphinstone wrote:
| How about Holmes comes back and works at Starbucks? Why should
| we want known criminals and con artists back in positions of
| power and trust? Investing in someone like that is a breach of
| fiduciary duty. Give the opportunity to some worthy unknown,
| not known liars and criminals.
| JohnFen wrote:
| > How about Holmes comes back and works at Starbucks?
|
| I wouldn't trust her to make my coffee.
| close04 wrote:
| > Trevor Milton's conviction for defrauding investors in truck
| company Nikola was wiped away
|
| Best justice money can buy.
|
| > He's now raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform
| flying
|
| With his history building the "truck that can roll unpowered down
| a hill" I shudder to think just _how_ his jet would transform
| flying.
| PatentlyDC123 wrote:
| The old Buzz Lightyear: falling, with style
| notlenin wrote:
| they're going to pioneer "AI flight" :D
| enoint wrote:
| One insight might be that airlines and aircraft manufacturers
| get bailed out often.
| hermannj314 wrote:
| The President has plenary authority to grant pardons and I
| imagine a time, in the near future, when questioning any
| authority of this administration would he deemed an act of
| treason.
|
| Therefore, I wish only the best of luck to never-committed-a-
| crime Trevor Milton and to the infallibility of our dear leader
| in his wise and judicious use of the power he has been given by
| God and the Constitution.
| enoint wrote:
| Coming soon to an email signature near you
| cheema33 wrote:
| > The President has plenary authority to grant pardons
|
| This really needs to be taken away. Or at least severely
| limited. Maybe you could pardon at most 10 people. And that too
| has to be approved by congress or the senate.
| game_the0ry wrote:
| I struggle to understand the psychology of how founders who are
| clearly incompetent charlatans get second+ chances -- they
| couldn't do fraud successfully but investors have a faith they
| could do business successfully. But they still get funding (like
| adam neumann of wework fame) and full on "narrative tongue baths"
| by the business media community (like this wsj article on trevor
| milton).
|
| Why? I struggle to understand the incentives + motivations here.
| elzbardico wrote:
| Having a great exit is the golden dream for VCs.
|
| But having founders that raise lots of money also have a value
| in itself even if the business fails in the long run.
| game_the0ry wrote:
| But you also have to build a business with the money you
| raise, or else you kill your reputation along the way.
| elzbardico wrote:
| As the founder, yes. For the VCs there's not a lot of
| consequences by having hyped things like Theranos or
| WeWork.
| game_the0ry wrote:
| I guess I would make a terrible VC, bc my money and
| reputation would matter to me.
| ahf8Aithaex7Nai wrote:
| The reason for this is the same as why real estate is so
| expensive and the price of gold is so high. There is far too
| much capital accumulation among the ultra-wealthy, who don't
| know what to do with all that money. The expertise of someone
| like this founder lies simply in recognizing that this is the
| case and that it can be monetized.
| exogeny wrote:
| There was a great Money Stuff blurb about that w/r/t Adam
| Neumann. I can't find it to quote it directly, but the gist
| was that if you disabuse yourself of the notion that Neumann
| was playing a game of entrepreneurship and good-faith empire
| building, and instead conclude that the game he was playing
| was shameless capital extraction, every step and action he
| took suddenly makes sense.
|
| The truly amazing thing, especially the second time around,
| are the supposedly sophisticated investors who fall for it.
| "Oh, he's learned his lesson -- he won't do it again!".
| game_the0ry wrote:
| > ...if you disabuse yourself of the notion that Neumann
| was playing a game of entrepreneurship and good-faith
| empire building, and instead conclude that the game he was
| playing was shameless capital extraction, every step and
| action he took suddenly makes sense.
|
| Sort of. I get the capital extraction part, but you also
| need to be a good steward of capital and make a profitable
| business out of it. He failed badly at the later part, and
| his reputation is an obstacle for the former.
|
| Not saying you are wrong, but if I am a "capital allocator"
| at a16z, he would be no-go.
| nradov wrote:
| Some of those sophisticated investors are also engaged in
| shameless capital extraction. Their investment thesis is
| based on the "Greater Fool Theory": they're gambling that
| they can dump the inflated assets on another bag holder
| before it blows up.
| game_the0ry wrote:
| But they might end being the bag holder themselves. And
| is the reputational risk worth it? I would say - no.
| alex_c wrote:
| The past failure is in the abstract, and in the past. And
| anyway, they were unfairly maligned. There is an inside version
| of the story that they will be happy to tell you, which was
| clearly not their fault.
|
| But that is neither here nor there. What is important is the
| now, and in the now you are in the presence of someone who is
| Good At Making Money. And you too, by joining forces, will be
| Making Lots Of Money with this charismatic person, who can
| clearly achieve great things and will be clearly avoiding any
| past missteps that may have caused their downfall right before
| reaching greatness (but weren't their fault anyway).
|
| Think of the future, not the past!
| jongjong wrote:
| This guy is a crook. Every adjective you could use to
| describe this guy goes against my core values.
| busyant wrote:
| I suspect the person you replied to was being subtly
| sarcastic. edit: but honestly, I'm not sure.
| jongjong wrote:
| It's hard for me to tell because I've seen this multiple
| times in my career (in tech). People wasting investors'
| money getting funding over and over while those actually
| building stuff get suppressed.
|
| I swear there are some people who control a lot of money
| who are just having fun ruining people's lives for
| laughs.
|
| There are people who spend years working for some
| company, betting their career on it but it turns out the
| whole thing was some kind of inside joke.
|
| My view is that some companies are basically somebody's
| toy and the employees are part of the entertainment like
| a personal reality TV show for some rich person so they
| can play-act as a hotshot entrepreneur.
|
| Probably it serves as some kind of inflation control
| mechanism. If you have a lot of money and want to spend
| it without driving inflation, you have to find things
| with extreme diminishing returns and you have to invest
| in people who value such things.
| busyant wrote:
| Thanks for the reply.
|
| The only thing I can add (regarding the motivations of
| people willing to invest with a fraudster) is that many
| people invest with the belief that they'll make money
| because they are just _part_ of the scam and they assume
| there 's a greater fool somewhere down the line.
|
| But that's probably obvious.
| alex_c wrote:
| I thought I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick. But I
| guess it's harder and harder to tell these days!
| quantified wrote:
| There is no tone of voice in writing. This is part of the
| problem with written social media. Some writers will say
| "only an idiot would believe what I wrote", showing
| themselves to be adversarial in their communications. I
| don't think that's you in this case.
| jongjong wrote:
| I just can't comprehend the mental process or discussion that
| happened which led to this guy getting a pardon.
|
| It's just hard to imagine that anybody would give a f about
| this fraudster. Only explanation is he must know some dirt on
| someone.
|
| It's clear now. Modern society runs on blackmail. There's a
| blackmail hierarchy all the way to the top.
|
| I bet there are many people out there just making a living from
| just knowing dirt about people.
| cheema33 wrote:
| > I just can't comprehend the mental process or discussion
| that happened which led to this guy getting a pardon.
|
| Trump when pardoning Trevor Milton said that he didn't know
| the guy, but heard that he said nice things about him.
|
| And Milton made a $1m _donation_.
| bryan0 wrote:
| It's not that complicated. From the article:
|
| > Milton and his wife had also donated at least $3.2 million
| to Trump's 2024 election and to political groups and people
| in Trump's orbit, including Health Secretary Robert F.
| Kennedy Jr.
| vjvjvjvjghv wrote:
| Trump seems to have a weak spot for fraudsters. Milken,
| Conrad Black, Keith, Blagojevich and many more. Not sure why
| though.
| jongjong wrote:
| These fraudsters who get second chances have got blackmail.
| Trust me, all the people we see in the media are sharks. They
| only help each other if they feel a threat or have something to
| gain.
| freediddy wrote:
| Look how many people couldn't care about Epstein and the fact
| he was a convicted sex offender. Bill Gates didn't care and he
| was literally the richest person in the world at one point.
|
| The rich VCs and billionaires and aspirational billionaires
| only care about doing what they want to do and don't care what
| the peons like us think or care about.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| I recently invested a small amount of money in an early stage
| company where I had to declare I was _either_ a 'high net
| worth individual' _or_ a 'sophisticated investor'. The
| mutually exclusive clause seemed important to me.
| philipwhiuk wrote:
| Maybe you become both by not investing in such a company.
| enoint wrote:
| In the US, we have this class called "accredited investor"
| watwut wrote:
| Because those investors have exactly same moral and ethical
| framework. The fraud is just another legitimate way to make
| money to them. It is the same thing with Epstein or meetoo ...
| they were actually fine with all that and whoever complains is
| just pesky idiot.
|
| This article is not praising trevor milton tho.
| TrackerFF wrote:
| They are charismatic. They know how to work people.
|
| If you've ever worked with narcissists and sociopaths, you'll
| soon enough discover that they will do anything to get what
| they want. And they are professionals at playing people.
|
| They know what to say, how to present themselves, how to make
| their story, and what strings to pull on the people they try to
| convince.
|
| Some investors are also willing to suspend their disbelief -
| thinking that if they are the first to ditch to bag, there's
| money to be made...as long as they're not the ones holding the
| bag.
| gaoshan wrote:
| Charisma and connections are pretty much all it takes. Really
| only connections are needed but since these people are coming
| back from being exposed they need charisma to assuage the
| concerns of their connections.
| khat wrote:
| To understand why you must understand the tax code. You can
| write off any investment losses. You can also recover losses if
| its from fraud. Though usually not fully. But you give 1
| million for investment, boom its a fraud, and you get $800,000
| back as opposed to keeping a million and paying $400,000 on it
| in taxes. It's a win-win situation. There is no penalty in
| betting on fraudsters. Whether this guy's schemes are
| deliberately for that is debatable. But on the flip side,
| putting downsides to investing on possible fraudsters
| considerably hinders any new genuine start up ideas from
| gaining investors.
| rsp1984 wrote:
| It's distribution. Guy's got a brand name now. People and
| investors recognize his name. It's a lot easier to find an
| absolute quantity N of investor money for a fraudulent but
| well-known name than it is for an unknown upstart.
|
| The fraud might have a low close rate but the top of the funnel
| is _huge_. The unknown upstart can 't even get meetings.
| actionfromafar wrote:
| He might credibly have access to federal bailout, too. That's
| worth something.
| socalgal2 wrote:
| This come up in a subthread last week
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47305450
|
| My guess is that they're good talkers. They make it sounds like
| they learned their lesson or were framed but regardless if you
| hire them they'll make you rich!
| vjvjvjvjghv wrote:
| A lot of the investors are also bullshitters so they like
| bullshitting founders. I see a similar thing in companies.
| People wonder why people who don't produce much but are
| politically savvy are moving up. The answer that most
| leadership is the same so they recognize each other.
| josefritzishere wrote:
| I cannot fathom the thinking of any party investing in the new
| company of a convicted fraudster.
| notlenin wrote:
| > In August [2022], it was announced that Andreessen Horowitz
| had invested in Neumann's new residential real-estate company,
| Flow.
|
| source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Neumann
| seanhunter wrote:
| Not only did they invest, but if I'm not mistaken, at the
| time that was the biggest single check that Andreessen
| Horowitz had ever written. It's completely baffling to me.
| nradov wrote:
| And they invested more in 2025.
|
| https://a16z.com/announcement/flow/
| Nihilartikel wrote:
| Exactly! Any knowledgeable observer would have expected him to
| run for elected office instead.
| exogeny wrote:
| Pathetic. Everyone in this story is pathetic. Trump, Milton, all
| of them.
| Invictus0 wrote:
| For anyone that hasn't seen it, or just wants to reminisce,
| here's Hindenburg's report on Nikola, Milton's previous scheme.
| It is a truly hilarious read.
|
| https://hindenburgresearch.com/nikola/
| arbuge wrote:
| Whenever I see any news about this guy, I always think of this:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38686150
| enoint wrote:
| Lovely. Utterly untrustworthy except for the important case of
| identifying others like him.
| nerevarthelame wrote:
| On top of the fraud convictions, Trevor Milton was credibly
| accused of sexual assault by his own cousin and a girl he
| employed. Both victims were minors at the time.
|
| https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...
| ryandrake wrote:
| > It was wiped away with a phone call. In March 2025, Trump
| called Milton to tell him he had signed an unconditional
| pardon. Milton had styled himself as a political victim of the
| Biden administration, and Trump agreed.
|
| Birds of a feather flock together.
| chneu wrote:
| Its not rape when the president doesnt believe rape is
| possible for a rich man to commit.
| vkou wrote:
| I've no doubt that he believes it is possible for his
| political enemies to commit it.
| cheema33 wrote:
| > Milton had styled himself as a political victim of the
| Biden administration, and Trump agreed.
|
| That and a $1 million donation. He bought his pardon fair and
| square.
| Weryj wrote:
| I guess we know how he managed to get the funding.
| dyauspitr wrote:
| She was 15, that's older than the age of consent in a lot of US
| states.
|
| EDIT: Nvm, it's 16.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| > She was 15, that's older than the age of consent in a lot
| of US states.
|
| What are you smoking? The lowest age of consent in any US
| state is 16
| doubletwoyou wrote:
| False? No US state has an age of consent below 16 except in
| cases between minors (Romeo & Juliet laws), which this most
| certainly isn't?
| dyauspitr wrote:
| Yes you're right. I was looking at the Romeo Juliet ages.
| fdghrtbrt wrote:
| You're off by 500 years, could happen to anyone.
| mh2266 wrote:
| is the intended point here that it is okay to sexually abuse
| 16 year olds, so everything is fine--but 15 year olds are
| right out? or... what?
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| Text-only, HTTPS optional:
|
| https://assets.msn.com/content/view/v2/Detail/en-in/AA1YRlL9...
| JohnTHaller wrote:
| Translation: Convicted fraud pardoned by convicted fraud is
| likely gonna fraud again
| mh2266 wrote:
| is he going to roll it down a hill to make it take off?
| gok wrote:
| An HTML5 super jet?
| tw04 wrote:
| There's a reason he should be sitting in prison still. It's not
| because he's an honest human or a good businessman.
| cat-turner wrote:
| People like to invest in people like them. Simple as that.
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