[HN Gopher] An old photo of a large BBS (2022)
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       An old photo of a large BBS (2022)
        
       Author : xbryanx
       Score  : 141 points
       Date   : 2026-03-12 19:41 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (rachelbythebay.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (rachelbythebay.com)
        
       | bigwheels wrote:
       | Would these machines have been networked with CAT-3? Daisy
       | chained phone cords?
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | It's also possible they used coax, either ethernet (10base2) or
         | Arcnet.
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | Depends on the exact date.
         | 
         | I never worked with DOS BBS systems, so I can't say about this
         | photo specifically, but the ones I did work with had between
         | one and four dialup modems hooked up to each machine, depending
         | on its capabilities. They did "networking" through a store-and-
         | forward messaging system. It wasn't networking as we'd
         | recognize it today.
        
         | petra303 wrote:
         | More likely coax. 3com 509c network cards. Much less
         | infrastructure to have a lan that way.
         | 
         | IBM had a network that ran over phone cords that were
         | daisycbained from one node to the next.
        
       | mcculley wrote:
       | I am surprised by the assumption that each box could only handle
       | one modem. I seem to remember that some DOS BBS packages could
       | handle multiple modems/users concurrently and only needed
       | multitasking operating systems for "door" programs. Am I
       | misremembering?
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | I'm fairly certain you are correct. I remember the MajorBBS
         | could handle multiple lines on its own.
         | 
         | I knew a couple of local DOS BBSes that ran multiple lines with
         | PCBoard under DESQview.
        
           | ghewgill wrote:
           | MajorBBS could handle multiple lines on its own, but you had
           | to handle ALL of the lines with one box. That meant a serial
           | port interface like DigiBoard which provided some number (8
           | or 16 or more) of serial ports that you would connect to
           | modems.
        
             | icedchai wrote:
             | I remember DigiBoard from my early ISP days. We attempted
             | to turn a mid 90's-era Linux system (Slackware) into a
             | terminal server. The Linux drivers for DigiBoard weren't
             | quite up to it so we wound up going with Telebit
             | Netblazers, I think.
        
               | kstrauser wrote:
               | I think we used RocketPorts for a while until switching
               | to Livingston Portmaster 3s, which you plugged a T-1
               | into.
        
               | icedchai wrote:
               | Portmasters were very popular. Later on the ISP I worked
               | with moved on to Ascend boxes which had digital modems
               | (T1 / PRI lines.)
               | 
               | PRI was a huge step. The "individual modem" days were a
               | mess. Each modem had a serial cable, phone line, and
               | power brick. I remember doing some maintenance in one of
               | the POPs. There were at least 100 modems, stacked on a
               | cheap plastic shelving unit. The shelving unit was
               | sagging from the weight and heat of all the modems.
               | 
               | This early POP was haphazardly built, so no cable
               | management. I remember a river of phone cables coming out
               | of the wall. The power bricks were also crazy. We had
               | power strips 2 or 3 levels deep, making it a hazard to
               | even get behind the rack without tripping on something.
        
               | kstrauser wrote:
               | They'd already switched to PRIs before I started so I
               | missed out on that "fun", but I can personally vouch to
               | the younguns here that every word you just wrote was
               | completely plausible and likely.
        
           | EvanAnderson wrote:
           | For sure. I knew people who ran multi-line BBS's on DOS PCs
           | under DESQview, just like that (running Searchlight BBS, in
           | my case). I know of a four line that was just using multiple
           | external modems and non-standard IRQ's for COM3 and COM4
           | (since, by default, COM1/3 and COM2/4 share an IRQ).
        
         | js2 wrote:
         | Even the Apple II had multi-line BBSes[^1], so I'm not sure
         | about her assumption.
         | 
         | [^1]: e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversi-Dial
        
         | nickdothutton wrote:
         | Even for a standard PC, you could buy a 16 port serial card and
         | hook it up to 16 modems, either discreet devices or the
         | dedicated ISP kit which might support dozens of incoming calls
         | (possibly on a single bearer) via various means. Telebit
         | netblazers and then ascend maxs were common in those days.
        
         | j45 wrote:
         | Serial ports are a fun thing to learn about, computers had more
         | than one. Now with USB, computers can have many serial ports.
        
         | cmpb wrote:
         | That assumption feeds into the moral of the post and its
         | followup
        
         | EvanAnderson wrote:
         | A guy who was local to me, when I was a kid, wrote multi-user
         | BBS system (called "MUBBS" originally-- I don't remember what
         | the name was changed to later) in Turbo Pascal that had a
         | preemptive multitasking loop running in x86 real mode to handle
         | multiple lines simultaneously. The coolest part was the console
         | was just a "line" so you could logon to the board and interact
         | while somebody was online with the BBS, too. Most other DOS BBS
         | packages were only available for the SYSOP or the caller
         | individually.
         | 
         | Edit: Ugh... I'm gonna have to go back to floppy images to find
         | it. There's a "MUBBS" for Mac from 1992 showing up in search
         | engine results but that's not the one I'm thinking of. It was
         | more like 1989 or 1990.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | Some details/speculation from the original thread here:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30098186
         | 
         | "as modems got faster, supporting 16 modems on a single machine
         | became impossible, and it was often cheaper to buy a new
         | commodity desktop PC rather than a much more expensive machine
         | with a 16-port serial card capable of handling the IO."
        
       | AnimalMuppet wrote:
       | And the follow-up article:
       | https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/01/27/scale/
        
         | roxolotl wrote:
         | The quote at the bottom is great:
         | 
         | You can have a second computer once you've shown you know how
         | to use the first one.
         | 
         | -- Paul Barham, quoted in the COST paper
        
       | bjenkins358 wrote:
       | The real question is: Was the turbo button pressed?
        
         | richstokes wrote:
         | Probably not. That would slow them down. The turbo button
         | under-clocked CPUs :-)
        
       | SneakyMission wrote:
       | Higher resolution photo
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20230531042903im_/https://static...
        
         | ryanjshaw wrote:
         | That telephone cord is impressive.
        
           | syncsynchalt wrote:
           | Pretty standard option for any home with a teenager, to be
           | honest. Long enough to drag the handset into the nearest coat
           | closet when needed.
        
         | jprd wrote:
         | Glorious. This must be what is like when old people long for
         | the hot car they lusted for in their youth.
        
           | SpaceNoodled wrote:
           | I recall old people being glad that air conditioning was
           | invented.
        
         | louwrentius wrote:
         | In this picture it seems that all machines have a 3.5" floppy
         | disk inserted. Maybe they had no hard drive and only booted
         | from floppy and then ran software over the network?
        
           | EvanAnderson wrote:
           | A lot of network interface cards had a socket for an option
           | ROM that would allow network boot, but you could definitely
           | fit a client on a floppy and boot that way, too. Novell
           | Netware server would be the mostly likely server for that
           | vintage of rig and a Netware client fit easily on a floppy.
        
         | cheschire wrote:
         | Oh that's a breaker box (or a box of wiring of some sort), not
         | a mirror!
        
           | ssl-3 wrote:
           | A mirror? I first saw it as a common (US-centric) exterior
           | metal door, with a window -- and with a shelf blocking the
           | opening.
           | 
           | The blur does interesting things.
        
             | cheschire wrote:
             | yeah the shine in the top left of the rectangle was what
             | led me to think it was a mirror, which from my experience
             | would have been really strange for the types of nerds that
             | would work in windowless rooms back in those days.
             | 
             | The black cable underneath looked like the shadow of an
             | oval frame
        
         | whatthe12899 wrote:
         | wait, are you OP? or did you happen to find a high res version
         | of the same paper-copy picture that OP supposedly was given 30
         | years ago and then scanned and then threw out. or did OP make
         | it up? or is OP just a bot?
         | 
         | maybe i'm a bot.
         | 
         | anyway i used to call into BBSs back in the early 90s and the
         | thing I'm remembering is that they survived mostly on
         | donations, and now that I am seeing the infrastructure that
         | supported those systems and recalling the price of hardware
         | back then I'm starting to second guess everything I thought I
         | knew.
        
           | DetroitThrow wrote:
           | Rachel says she had the photo as a postcard. It's likely that
           | more postcards were printed, and that other people had owned
           | those copies, rather than people being bots.
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | Click on the HN "past" link for this submission near the top
           | of this page, then you'll get to
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30096565 (see the top
           | comment there) from when the original image link was still
           | working.
        
           | hamdingers wrote:
           | Many sites including Google offer reverse image search. You
           | give it an image and it gives you a list of places it
           | appears, sometimes in higher resolution or with more context
           | (or different context, which can be interesting).
        
         | themafia wrote:
         | Apparently "Software Creations" BBS, which ran PCBoard BBS
         | software and was operated in cooperation with Apogee games.
         | 
         | https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | Thank you!
         | 
         | In the alcove on the right, I think I'm seeing 66-blocks,
         | breaking out the phone lines that must be routed to each
         | machine. Two blocks stacked, each with a fanout of wire on the
         | right side.
        
       | nitwit005 wrote:
       | I can recall people being very impressed at unix systems being
       | able to handle many clients, and being personally confused at the
       | idea of a computer only being able to handle a single user.
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | _I can recall people being very impressed at unix systems being
         | able to handle many clients_
         | 
         | That seems odd to me, too, because before DOS and the Commodore
         | 64/Apple ][ era, multi-user systems were everywhere.
         | 
         | Not just mainframes and minicomputers, but there were many
         | dozens of multi-user systems based on CP/M, MP/M, and other
         | operating systems. Even Tandy had them.
         | 
         | The revolutionary part of the "personal computer" era was that
         | it was your "personal" computer. You finally didn't have to
         | share it with anyone.
        
           | criddell wrote:
           | There were also commercial multi-user systems like Compuserve
           | and Delphi.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Everyone seems to assume you need protected mode to run
           | multi-user systems, too.
           | 
           | It wasn't as secure or as easy, but you could certainly do
           | multi-user systems without protected mode and within very
           | small RAM amounts.
        
       | slongfield wrote:
       | Looks like the shelves were custom-built for those machines. I
       | wonder what the monitors were hooked up to, or if they were just
       | spares.
       | 
       | My first thought was that this was built someone who clearly
       | cared about the system they were running.
        
       | ryandrake wrote:
       | I remember thinking that I would reach absolute peak-coolkid if I
       | could start and run a BBS. I even installed WWIV and DesqView to
       | fuel the fantasy and prepare. But my parents didn't understand
       | technology and couldn't grasp why I wanted to hook up (and pay
       | for) a second phone line for the house. So, unfortunately I would
       | remain a mere luser until I went off to University where the
       | Internet was just getting popular and 10-Base-T ethernet drops to
       | the dorm rooms were standard, and I very quickly forgot all about
       | BBSing.
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Cool Kids run T1s ;)
         | 
         | Really Cool Kids T3s...
        
       | tiahura wrote:
       | By the early 90s didn't most BBS software support multi-line
       | setups on a single pc?
        
       | jacquesm wrote:
       | The OS that was running on these is irrelevant, the important
       | part is the BBS software.
       | 
       | And these usually ran quite a few lines per box, sometimes they
       | would use external racks of modems, but I'm not seeing that here
       | so maybe these were using internal modem cards, so maybe 6 per
       | box, but if they were using external modems it could easily be 12
       | or more, with the PC cards hosting multiple serial ports, 4, 6 or
       | even 8 per card.
       | 
       | Typically a card would have a single large connector at the back
       | and then a pigtail with a DB9 or DB25 (yes, I know) for every
       | modem.
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | The OS was relevant if your BBS software was limited to a
         | single simultaneous user, like many of the early DOS BBSes. The
         | late 80's "PCBoard" BBSes I'm familiar with needed one PC per
         | user, plus a file server with Netware.
        
           | jacquesm wrote:
           | Ok, but that's just the vehicle, it is the BBS software that
           | does the works. And even in the 80's there were ways to run
           | multiple instances of 'single user' BBSs on one box, for
           | instance (dare I say it...) OS/2 and TV.
        
         | rconti wrote:
         | Yeah, this jumped out at me too. It's a wild misunderstanding
         | of how BBSes worked.
         | 
         | That said, I have no idea how a multi-node BBS would work, in
         | terms of keeping state synchronized.
        
           | icedchai wrote:
           | It depends on the era.
           | 
           | Earlier: one PC per user, shared file system using a Novell
           | network. Later: multitasking OS (Desqview, OS/2) or BBS
           | software that natively supported multiple users (like
           | MajorBBS.)
           | 
           | I ran a BBS on an Amiga for a while. The OS natively
           | supported multitasking, but I only had one line. At least I
           | could log in the same time as a user...
        
             | daneel_w wrote:
             | The older brother of a friend of mine in the 90s was the
             | co-sysop of one of Sweden's largest "elite" BBSes at the
             | time, Farout BBS. I got to tag along to the sysop's
             | apartment once and see the setup, which was an Amiga 2000
             | with 3 active nodes and available serial ports for a total
             | of 7 nodes, though the sysop hadn't gotten around to get
             | more telephone lines wired to his apartment.
        
               | icedchai wrote:
               | awesome! getting more phone lines into a residence could
               | be a pain. I knew a guy who had an 8 line BBS in his
               | (parents', actually) basement. Getting more was difficult
               | because they were "out of facilities" and he had to move
               | it to an office.
        
           | jacquesm wrote:
           | I've seen NetWare, Vines, some proprietary hacks to form the
           | backbone.
        
           | xenadu02 wrote:
           | > It's a wild misunderstanding of how BBSes worked.
           | 
           | That's quite the assumption.
           | 
           | There were a lot of different BBS hosting programs. They
           | wildly varied in what they supported and how they were
           | implemented. Further even within a given piece of software
           | the ways you could configure them and the consequences also
           | varied. Even if a given software supported concurrent users
           | on a single PC for various reasons a BBS might choose not to
           | host that way.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | Aren't the modems the black boxes sitting on top of each PC in
         | the picture?
        
           | jacquesm wrote:
           | Yes, you're right, I totally missed them. Those look like USR
           | 'Courier' modems but the resolution is really crappy so hard
           | to be sure and it looks like there are multiple types. There
           | might still be modems in the boxes themselves as well. It
           | doesn't look like more than two modems per box if there
           | isn't.
        
           | jasongill wrote:
           | yes, most of them look like USRobotics Courier modems. Note
           | that not all the machines have one, and some have two.
           | 
           | Assuming that the parent commenter is right and that they are
           | using internal line cards, I wonder if the external modems
           | were being added to support higher speeds.
           | 
           | However, the fact that we can see at least 2 (but I think
           | four) 66 blocks means they had 50 to 100 phone lines for the
           | machines visible, which would make sense that the external
           | modems are the primary connection and no internal modems are
           | being used, based on the number of modems visible and the
           | fact that each 66 block can handle 25 lines.
        
             | jacquesm wrote:
             | I think you're right and that there were only two modems
             | connected to the boxes so that's just the built in serial
             | ports, here is another copy of the same picture by someone
             | that apparently funded the board with some details:
             | 
             | https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896
        
         | xenadu02 wrote:
         | "usually" and "typically" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here
         | :)
         | 
         | Access to knowledge, equipment, and budget varied dramatically
         | prior to widespread internet access. Someone setting up a BBS
         | might not even know about multi-line modem cards or serial port
         | expansions. Even if they knew about them they may not have been
         | able to reasonably obtain them. Or they may have been operating
         | on donations, surplus, or discount equipment. Or they simply
         | may not have had the luxury of time to research all of that as
         | user demand meant they were too busy laying tracks in front of
         | the train.
         | 
         | Many BBSes ran on 1-2 lines per PC because that's what they
         | understood how to build or the hardware they had access to. You
         | might be surprised at just how _many_ lines some BBSes setup
         | this way had!
         | 
         | People forget there was a time that anything outside the
         | standard PC was extremely expensive, often had flaky or
         | nonexistent software support, locked you into a fly-by-night
         | vendor that might go out of business tomorrow, was only
         | available via a distributor who wanted to have you talk to a
         | "sales consultant" before they'd sell you something, etc. Many
         | many people chose sub-optimal implementations because it was an
         | off-the-shelf PC they could replace at any time with trivially
         | simple software requiring no special CONFIG.SYS drivers or TSRs
         | to fiddle with. Especially if you'd ever been burned
         | previously.
        
       | Aardwolf wrote:
       | Office chair technology also has really advanced since then
       | (looking at the chair on the picture, which is commonly seen near
       | computers in photos of this era)
        
       | Vaslo wrote:
       | I remember trying to set up a bbs on my pc in the 80s and I
       | didn't have a separate phone line so I just put it on while I
       | slept. Then people started calling and annoying my parents with
       | daytime modem calls, because I was like 10 and I didn't think
       | through any of this.
        
         | bredren wrote:
         | I set up a uh war dialer around the same age over night and my
         | mom got some pretty upset calls the next day.
         | 
         | She had no idea who these people were or why they were upset. I
         | don't think I copped to it, it was not an easy thing to explain
         | but I did not do that again.
        
       | bluedino wrote:
       | Would love a technical explanation of how all that stuff worked
       | by someone who did that kind of stuff in those days. In the old
       | days I personally never saw anything bigger than a four line BBS.
       | But I remember reading about that one in shareware README.TXT
       | files
       | 
       | Wouldn't mind hearing war stories from the cdrom.com guys as
       | well.
        
         | dekhn wrote:
         | https://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9904/08/cdrom.idg/ and
         | https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/wow-what-a-system-ftp...
         | I'm not aware of any others with more details and war stories.
        
       | crmd wrote:
       | In the 90's we had microsystems, in the 2020s we have
       | microservices.
        
         | saltyoldman wrote:
         | In 2030 we'll have microagents
        
       | dublin wrote:
       | If they were really badass, they had a rack of Telebit modems.
       | (Telebit made 68020 based modems that did 56+ Kbps long before a
       | 56K standard, and literally had more compute power than most of
       | the computers they were connected to.)
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | (2022)
       | 
       | Some more discussion then:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30096565
        
       | gxd wrote:
       | Those were the days. I still believe nothing replaces the
       | camraderie of the small, local BBSs. The large ones were good
       | too, but these tended to resemble the modern Internet forums a
       | bit more.
       | 
       | I miss BBSs and that's why I featured them in the story of my
       | sci-fi game! If you are interested:
       | https://store.steampowered.com/app/3040110/Outsider/
        
         | joemi wrote:
         | I go back and forth on whether BBSes were better or AOL was
         | better. I had great experiences on both in my formative years.
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | For a similar nostalgic hit:
       | 
       | Related:
       | 
       |  _Ask HN: Remember Fidonet?_
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321760
        
       | SirFatty wrote:
       | I used to dial into that BBS... long distance. It had a huge
       | library of shareware.
       | 
       | https://groups.google.com/g/bit.listserv.games-l/c/1tg85kGBH...
        
         | joemi wrote:
         | Same here! This brings me back. And makes me feel old. Dialing
         | the big BBSes like this one were rare special occasions for me,
         | due to the cost of long distance.
        
       | yarone wrote:
       | Ahh BBS's: where I learned the difference between a local call
       | and a "local toll call" (parents were not happy)
        
       | bch wrote:
       | > do you think "wow, cool, they got to wrangle all of that", or
       | do you think "OMG they _had_ to wrangle all of that "?
       | 
       | I touch on similar point of view discussing digital audio work I
       | do for fun. I use CSound, which I've heard described as "assembly
       | language for audio", and I think that's accurate.
       | 
       | Anyway, when I first, FIRST started, and got a tiny bit familiar,
       | I thought "Wow, I can do _anything_! " but quickly realized I was
       | also _responsible_ for _everything_. No free lunch.
        
       | mehrdadrad wrote:
       | Wow, I used to dial into BBS for around 3-4 years. good time!!
        
       | throw0101d wrote:
       | > _It 's possible they managed to do some rudimentary
       | multitasking with DESQview (or worse...) and so supported two
       | whole users with each box. Does that mean they had to be at least
       | 386s to do protected mode? Or was it virtual 8086 mode? I
       | (fortunately) have forgotten the finer points of how that stuff
       | used to work. I DO remember how damn crashy a box became when you
       | ran it "under DV". Constant system freezes. Yep._
       | 
       | I don't recall DESQview to be all that crashy. I was aware of a
       | number multi-line BBSes that used it (just in the 416). Some BBS
       | software called out its use specifically:
       | 
       | * https://www.synchro.net/docs/multnode_config.html
       | 
       | * http://software.bbsdocumentary.com/IBM/DOS/OMEGA/
       | 
       | Also, a comment from someone whose uncle co-founded the company
       | Quarterdeck:
       | 
       | * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29396561#unv_29400530
       | 
       | Also, also, if anyone wants to simulate the old-school DESQview
       | experience, perhaps try out "twin":
       | 
       | * https://opensource.com/article/20/1/multiple-consoles-twin
       | 
       | * https://github.com/cosmos72/twin
        
         | bink wrote:
         | DESQview was absolutely not crashy. I ran several different
         | types of BBS software in it without issues. The "DESQview (or
         | worse...)" comment raised the hair on the back of my neck.
         | DESQview was revolutionary at the time and I was annoyed at
         | having to use Windows many years later.
         | 
         | ASCII windows may not have been everyone's cup of tea but I
         | loved it.
        
       | markus_zhang wrote:
       | Does BBS still have a usage nowadays? I feel HN is not too
       | different -- and actually offer less than a BBS -- back then
       | there are a lot of goods on a large BBS. And it's easier to mix a
       | pic with text, but I could be wrong.
       | 
       | Also thinking it's a lot environmental easier to host a BBS than
       | a Discord server.
        
       | KevinF_ wrote:
       | How do you dislike a post
        
         | Bengalilol wrote:
         | You need 500 karma for this
        
       | CrzyLngPwd wrote:
       | There is so much speculation in the OP that I am not even sure if
       | the title is correct.
        
       | neoCrimeLabs wrote:
       | This makes me wish I took photos of Diversi-Dial (aka D-Dial)
       | setups, which somehow impressed me more due to how much they
       | accomplished with much much less hardware.
       | 
       | They were able to set up a 7 x 300baud modems in real-time chat
       | system on an Apple ][ . The original marketing called it a CB
       | (Citizens Band) Simulator. They were able to run up to 1200baud,
       | but I never saw one of those functioning.
       | 
       | As if 7 people chatting through a single 6502 wasn't impressive
       | enough, many of them dedicated one or two of their lines to
       | interlinking with other D-dials.
       | 
       | Talk about an esoteric memory.
       | 
       | - https://www.ddial.com/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversi-
       | Dial
        
         | vinniedkator wrote:
         | And the larger ddial sysops would daisy chain multiple Apple
         | IIes together. A connector would take up one port on each
         | machine. Two machine would give you 12 modems. Each new machine
         | after the second would add space for 5 modems (-1 on old
         | machine, +6 on new machine). For the sysop it was a big
         | investment for very little, if any, monetary reward. I remember
         | a user account would cost $5 a month.
         | 
         | Our ddial was a few towns away so we bought a line in the
         | exchange in between that would forward to the ddial. This way
         | we would not pay a bunch on long distance calls.
        
       | Bengalilol wrote:
       | Apogee was somehow part of the party <
       | https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896>
        
         | SirFatty wrote:
         | Because of the shareware distribution. A lot of Apogee software
         | was shareware (free).
        
       | hackthemack wrote:
       | If the site is not responding, can always try the way back
       | machine.
       | 
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220207120422/https://rachelbyt...
       | 
       | I remember dialing up to a BBS in the area in 1990 that had 4
       | phone lines. That was amazing at the time when most BBS only had
       | 1 line.
       | 
       | But I do remember downloading text files FILE.IDZ about other
       | BBS, and reading some magazines that mentioned other BBS systems
       | that had 32 and more phone lines but you had to pay. That seemed
       | like it was just on another level in another part of the world
       | that seemed like fantasy compared to the area I was in.
        
       | asdefghyk wrote:
       | Brings back memories ...
       | 
       | Boardwatch was the magazine for BBS ( I do not know of any
       | others)
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwatch
       | 
       | Some all? on internet archive
       | https://archive.org/details/boardwatchmagazine I recall buyingthe
       | magazine back inthe day...
        
       | johnohara wrote:
       | Not mentioned but very important was the number of inbound telco
       | lines installed. Equally important was making sure the local
       | phone company properly configured the hunt group for those lines.
       | Without a properly functioning hunt group it would be very
       | difficult to optimize the allocation of telco connections to all
       | the users connecting and disconnecting.
       | 
       | Also, it was unusual at the time for a local phone company to
       | receive a request for 25 lines (or more) to be installed in the
       | basement of a residence. They would generally push back thinking
       | you were running a bookie operation or some such.
        
       | asdefghyk wrote:
       | How did they keep the room cool? that equipment must not be
       | shown... Maybe fans to move the hot air ....
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | If it's like the old ISPs I was familiar with, they didn't. The
         | POP (point-of-presence, 100's of modems, plus several terminal
         | servers, routers, etc.) would generally be in some basement
         | without any cooling at all. There would literally be warped
         | plastic.
        
       | asdefghyk wrote:
       | FROM
       | https://x.com/ScottApogee/status/1593729387106512896?sort_re...
       | 
       | Top comment about this photo is ( and the poster) Scott Miller -
       | Apogee/3D Realms Founder @ScottApogee BBS's (bulletin board
       | systems) were the backbone of the online world before the
       | Internet came along in 1995. Apogee teamed up with Dan Linton's
       | BBS, called Software Creations, and we poured $200k+ into it to
       | grow it to nearly 140 call-in nodes with a T3 (high bandwidth)
       | line.
        
       | tcherasaro wrote:
       | Nice computer "racks"
        
       | Scubabear68 wrote:
       | My roommate circa 1989 had a bunch of Apple II's with multiple
       | modem cards per machine to run a bulletin board. Not sure why an
       | Apple II could support multiple users logging into the BBS via
       | multiple modems but DOS based machines could not.
        
       | esseph wrote:
       | > So then, when you see this picture (and remember, it might only
       | be showing half of the whole setup), do you think "wow, cool,
       | they got to wrangle all of that", or do you think "OMG they _had_
       | to wrangle all of that "? It's an important distinction to make,
       | and I think someone's gut reaction to this amount of hardware in
       | one place might influence how they approach building new systems.
       | 
       | Definitely in the "wow, cool, they got to wrangle all of that"
       | camp!
       | 
       | I remember dialing up to this BBS quite a bit, and I also
       | remember downloading tons of demos from other BBSs that
       | originally came from SCBBS!
        
       | myth_drannon wrote:
       | I imagine Rusty 'n' Edie's BBS was double of that
        
       | pier25 wrote:
       | You could probably replace all those machines with a Mac Mini or
       | even a Raspberry Pi.
        
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