[HN Gopher] Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down
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Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down
https://www.wired.com/story/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-is-steppi...
(https://web.archive.org/web/20260309191134/https://www.wired...)
https://toni.org/2026/03/09/coming-off-the-bench-for-bluesky...
Author : minimaxir
Score : 238 points
Date : 2026-03-09 19:09 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Post from new CEO Toni Schneider
| https://toni.org/2026/03/09/coming-off-the-bench-for-bluesky...
| 12_throw_away wrote:
| There's only a single non-platitude in the entire letter, but
| luckily it provides us with a wealth of information about
| what's coming next:
|
| > I've been a partner at True Ventures for many years
| rvz wrote:
| > PS: My role as interim CEO will be to help set up Bluesky's
| next phase of growth.
|
| This 'growth' comes with a lot of negative things and rarely
| lots of good things.
| verdverm wrote:
| The brand already has a defined public perception that will
| be hard to change, even for those who've only heard it by
| name (eg Fox News). As a user, I generally agree with the
| Blue MAGA sentiments, even though it is much more diverse
| than that and you can filter out political content if you
| want. This is likely Bluesky's biggest challenge in a
| return to growth.
|
| This is separate from ATProto, which I still maintain
| positive sentiment for.
| volkercraig wrote:
| What is it that doctors call growth at any cost? Cancer?
| multisport wrote:
| Just to say the obvious: the new CEO is a VC partner and former
| CEO of Automattic. That seems very bad, no matter how "committed"
| they are to the vision of Bluesky.
| plsft wrote:
| thats not a good sign
| jsheard wrote:
| He's only meant to be filling in temporarily per the Wired
| article, but we'll see.
| multisport wrote:
| Fair enough, I've never been involved in a CEO recruitment, I
| can't imagine the candidate pool tends to include people like
| the _previous_ CEO of Bluesky
| marksomnian wrote:
| It's not that unusual to have an interim CEO hold the reins
| (read: sign anything that needs the CEO's signature) while
| a permanent one is found.
| alterom wrote:
| That's not what the comment you're responding to is
| about.
| ribosometronome wrote:
| Apologies, I'm probably under a rock, but why is that bad? I
| see they're behind WordPress but am not sure what the 1:1 is.
| The WP Engine stuff?
| Legend2440 wrote:
| There was some WP drama between Automattic and the WP
| community a while back.
|
| Also the whole point of Bluesky is that they aren't supposed
| to be a big evil silicon valley tech company. But now you
| have a silicon-valley VC running the thing.
| captainbland wrote:
| They'd already taken VC money hadn't they? It's got to be
| said though that tech startups are getting very formulaic.
| Monster of the week vibes.
| orphea wrote:
| Matt M. was behind the drama from WordPress' side though.
| It looks like Toni Schneider left in 2014.
| rmccue wrote:
| Toni was in fact the adult supervision brought in by
| Automattic's board when the company was young and Matt
| was inexperienced.
| bombcar wrote:
| And apparently adult supervision was needed.
| qingcharles wrote:
| And still needed...
| bananamogul wrote:
| "Some drama"...yeah, the way there was drama between
| Germany and the Soviet Union back in 1941.
|
| Automattic's Matt Mullenweg is downright insane. Just
| google their war with WP Engine and by extension the entire
| WordPress community.
| paxys wrote:
| Why is that bad?
| mjr00 wrote:
| Ultimately the goal "build a nice community where people can
| enjoy social interactions" is fully incompatible with "build
| the next Everything For Everyone Social Website like
| twitter/facebook/instagram/youtube/tiktok/etc so that we can
| get 5 billion users and start pushing ads at people".
| Unfortunately once you take VC funding, you no longer have the
| option of doing the former.
|
| From an actual content perspective Bluesky is fine, but there's
| no investor who would take a look at the site's user
| statistics[0] and say "oh yeah things are going great." There
| needs to be drastic changes if investors hope to have any
| return on investment.
|
| [0] https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
| pron wrote:
| Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who
| liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly
| so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound
| to fail, at least until some more time passes.
| ghaff wrote:
| For whatever faults the old Twitter had pre-Musk, it did
| establish a certain critical mass for a certain type of
| short form threaded discussion which seems to be largely
| dead at this point.
| alex1138 wrote:
| Jack seemed interested in the protocol side of the house
| and making a good product that was in spirit of the
| internet, it also had a mix of people you might know IRL
| (with reasonable privacy defaults) and official
| sources/public figures. I don't think he was much
| interested in the censorship, it feels they got run over
| by a bunch of activist types during covid (who decided it
| was de rigeur to censor real doctors for perceived
| 'misinformation'). Jack started work on Bluesky and now
| is involved in Nostr
|
| Speaking personally, supposedly Twitter now (X) still has
| a bunch of censorship and I don't especially like Musk
| (but what he did was valuable, showing Jay Bhattacharya
| he'd be put on a trending blacklist) and the site is...
| well, I should be able to follow threads without having
| an account but they crippled it so much. It reminds me of
| Instagram, "log in to see any PUBLIC page"
| ValentineC wrote:
| Twitter's main problem wasn't the network, but fElon Musk
| running amok.
| pron wrote:
| Of course, but the damage was done.
| verdverm wrote:
| That user number is not reproducible last time I tried (~8
| months ago). I was looking at the code the other day and saw
| what I believe is one of the reasons, but I still couldn't
| find several million accounts (>10%), which is pretty hard to
| lose. (8+ bsky run pds equivalents)
|
| This also does not account for (1) people with multiple
| accounts (labellers, feeds, bots, intent) or actual activity
| (significant % are likely churned, didn't delete)
| mjr00 wrote:
| Even if the stats are off by a factor of 10 it wouldn't
| matter. You could remove the numbers from the user axis
| entirely and it would paint the same story: there were
| massive user influxes after the 2024 US election and the
| inauguration in January, but user retention has been on a
| steep decline for the year+ since.
|
| Again, this is not a reflection of anything bad about
| Bluesky _as a user_. IMO a smaller and more focused is a
| _good_ thing for the actual community, hence why I read
| /post on HN and not Reddit or Twitter. However as an
| _investor_ there 's basically no way to interpret those
| statistics as anything but bad.
| verdverm wrote:
| Strong agreement, though I would say it looks to have
| reached a stable level for now. I've found several
| subcommunities that I can get good info from. I'm curious
| how the '26 election cycle will affect things, already
| seeing increase political discourse.
| Bnjoroge wrote:
| The vision of Bluesky isnt compatible with it existing in a
| capitalistic society.
| RIMR wrote:
| To be honest, I was never entirely on board with Jay's almost
| exclusively cryptocurrency background. I think she's done an
| acceptable job as CEO, but I have also felt that leadership at
| Bluesky was never good enough to see legitimate success.
|
| Today, Bluesky remains largely undermoderated and they have
| managed to bake in more toxic features Twitter ever did in such
| a short timespan. Its success is largely driven by having a UI
| closer to Twitter's original UI than any other alternative, and
| taking a stronger stance against far-right rhetoric than
| Twitter.
|
| The only technical saving grace is the broad control you can
| take over the algorithm to avoid the content you don't want to
| see, but Bluesky is generally covered with more calls for
| violence than their nascent content team could ever actually
| deal with.
|
| And I have yet to actually see a real use of ATproto that isn't
| just immediately blown out of the water by ActivityPub.
|
| But I digress, the new CEO pretty much hammers that final nail
| in the coffin for me. I have zero belief in Bluesky to be
| anything but another awful corporate corner of the web that I
| should avoid.
| reverius42 wrote:
| > Its success is largely driven by having a UI closer to
| Twitter's original UI than any other alternative, and taking
| a stronger stance against far-right rhetoric than Twitter.
|
| These things are very valuable, and if Bluesky can't succeed
| doing them, I hope someone else can.
| asymmetric wrote:
| And so it begins.
| jb1991 wrote:
| Go on..
| TyrunDemeg101 wrote:
| Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
| amadeuspagel wrote:
| > and proved that a values-driven social network could thrive at
| scale.
|
| How could a social network, or anything humans create, not be
| values-driven?
| _heimdall wrote:
| Values aren't the only motivator, unless you take an extremely
| broad definition of values.
| plufz wrote:
| Yeah, the value of money is ironically usually not what we
| mean with "values".
| mcdonje wrote:
| Seriously? If a company is publicly traded, they're legally
| required to prioritize shareholder value, unless they're a
| benefit corp or something with multiple bottom lines. I suppose
| you could call it values-driven to drive up the bottom line,
| but that's not normally what people mean.
| jakelazaroff wrote:
| IANAL but no, executives are not actually legally required to
| increase shareholder value.
| verdverm wrote:
| They generally are aiui. Bluesky was formed as a PBC, which
| is basically a corporation where investors cannot sue for
| deralict of fiduciary duty.
| irishcoffee wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.#Judgm
| e...
|
| Allow me introduce you to the inception of enshittification
| jakelazaroff wrote:
| The section you linked to says the decision was non-
| binding, and the next section includes multiple quotes
| disputing the idea that such a legal requirement exists.
| Zigurd wrote:
| I suppose in the same way that all eating is health and
| nutrition driven. Good or bad.
| paxys wrote:
| The only value driving most things you see online is the value
| of money. Which is not the kind of values they are referring
| to.
| relaxing wrote:
| You know how there are two sexual orientations: straight, and
| Political?
|
| It's sort of like that.
| rchaud wrote:
| "values-driven" is the TedTalk-ified equivalent of MBA-speak
| like "synergy". Meaningless and unmeasurable, but sounds good
| in a pitch deck.
| x0x0 wrote:
| Sounds like a firing / soft firing / come to jesus moment about
| the viability of the business...
| alephnerd wrote:
| Pretty much. It's fun seeing idealists get slapped by reality.
| If you want to protect your ideals you better know how to fight
| for them using the same tactics as your competitors.
|
| Learning how to build a board that is in your favor, making
| alliances with less than pure players if needed, and being
| ruthlessly competitive allows an ideal to become reality.
| spacechild1 wrote:
| What's fun about it?
| alephnerd wrote:
| It's like seeing your kid learn how to walk. They'll fail a
| couple of times, but they'll get toughen up and finally
| learn.
| pfraze wrote:
| You are wrong about pretty much all of that, including your
| assumed reasoning for why this is happening. Jay chose to
| change her role so she could do deeper work on the
| technology. That's it.
| verdverm wrote:
| The issue is that no one really believes the corporate
| speak any more. Bluesky does not get a pass on this, re: VC
| funding
|
| I have concerns about one piece of messaging I've seen
| lately, working on a writeup, stay tuned
| verdverm wrote:
| They could have launched paid subscriptions, they even said
| they were looking into it, crickets...
| DiabloD3 wrote:
| Huh, I guess betting on Mastodon winning was the right bet.
| embedding-shape wrote:
| Mastodon already won, by being used by people. Bluesky also
| won, by also being used by people. Not sure if this is a
| "winner takes it all" scenario? As long as you can host it
| yourself, I don't really mind where people are, both seem to
| work and have "won" for what they set out to do.
| verdverm wrote:
| Since developing on ATProto, one thing I have hoped for is
| less of this "winner take all" world. I think the protocol
| can be for much more than social media, could do dropbox if
| permissions and private data are designed well. This comment
| by the main protocol dev working on this does not inspire
| confidence on my part.
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/dholms.at/post/3mfsehg6ius2a
| lich_king wrote:
| It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where
| your friends or "influencers" are.
|
| Mastodon ended up losing its user base to Bluesky during the
| early Twitter exodus because many influencers and journalists
| wanted to have an "elite" status and a special relationship
| with the platform, so they preferred a platform owned by
| Dorsey to some hippie open-source thing. Bluesky, in turn,
| ended up losing back to Twitter/X when it turned out to be a
| place where you mostly talk about how awful Twitter/X is.
|
| I want to say that we don't need social networks where we
| constantly interact with hundreds of thousands of strangers,
| but I'm writing this on HN, so...
| dv35z wrote:
| Just an anecdote - I never used Twitter/X, and never used
| BlueSky. Recently (about a year ago), joined Mastodon. I
| enjoy it, find a lot of value there, and have interesting
| conversations (recently about Mint Debian Linux & sound-
| systems, and also maker-space CNC design tools). There
| seems to be active investment in good features & quality on
| the platform, including making it easier to host your own
| organization server.
|
| I believe, due to the format of engagement, its easy to
| spend a lot of time there scrolling - so consider
|
| (1) only using the platform on your desktop computer,
| instead of phone,
|
| (2) limiting time - 25 minutes a day is enough!
|
| (3) Mute spammers, complainers, people with negative
| attiudes - you can't catch them all, but you can
| intentionally shape your experience over time.
|
| (4) Subscribe to tags of your passions (example: #piano,
| #makerspace, #drawing, #cats, #jujitsu, #cncrouter,
| #3dprinting), and try to lean into that instead of getting
| caught up in endless political reactions - which never
| ends. You can be intentional, and subscribe to people who
| have a positive vision for the version of the future you
| prefer.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| Sometimes I think more the toxic people who wrote about
| politics and identity on Mastodon moved on to Bluesky when
| Trump got elected.
|
| I don't see why it is "zero" sum, nothing stops you from
| posting to more than one social. I mean, I have relatives
| on Facebook and no prospect for getting them to change so I
| cut-n-paste what I posted on Mastodon to Facebook, Bluesky,
| LinkedIn, Tumblr, and all sorts of places.
| carefree-bob wrote:
| Curious, how many people do you need on a social network
| before you can find someone to talk to or before it is
| engaging enough for you?
|
| I certainly don't need a billion users. I think I'd be
| happy with 100,000 users -- what is your number?
|
| I think this is related to the question of how big of a
| city do you need to live in before you can find something
| to do and are not bored living there. I'm fine with a city
| of, say, 50,000-100,000. That is more than sufficient for
| me to find an appropriate number of likeminded friends and
| neighbors as well as interesting pursuits.
| lich_king wrote:
| > Curious, how many people do you need on a social
| network before you can find someone to talk to or before
| it is engaging enough for you?
|
| I don't think that's a meaningful parameter to think
| about? I'd say that on any social network, I have
| meaningful, ongoing relationship with maybe 20 people. I
| suspect that's the norm. But that doesn't mean you can
| join a social network with 20 users and get that. I mean,
| if it's a mailing list for friends and family, sure. But
| not if it's 20 randomly-selected strangers from around
| the world.
|
| So the critical mass to make the "random stranger" type
| of a social network work is much, much higher than the
| number of daily interactions you need to keep coming
| back.
| carefree-bob wrote:
| Yes, all you use is 20, but as the number increases the
| odds of you finding your 20 goes up. I'm saying in
| 100,000 roughly randomly selected people, I have
| basically a 100% chance of finding my 20. 50,000 is
| probably enough.
|
| By the way, if your number is not the same as mine, I am
| not intimating that this makes you deficient in some way.
| Everyone has their own number.
| BeetleB wrote:
| > It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where
| your friends or "influencers" are.
|
| Bluesky and Mastodon users can interact with each other
| (provided both parties opt in). I'm on Mastodon, but I see
| my friend's messages (he's on BlueSky) and vice versa. My
| replies show on up on BlueSky and vice versa.
| ascorbic wrote:
| Bluesky won over Mastodon because the fedi model is
| fundamentally flawed in its UX. For a flood of people
| wamting "Twitter without Nazis", Bluesky was a good match.
| I don't think Dorsey had anything to do with it, because
| the influx happened after he'd already severed all ties.
| ajsalminen wrote:
| Some people are getting introduced to similar and in some
| ways worse UX on Bluesky now that there are some actual
| efforts to make it slightly less centralized.
| dbbk wrote:
| "Mastodon already won, by being used by people" I'm sorry
| what
| rvz wrote:
| What did Mastodon win exactly?
|
| Threads being the biggest Mastodon instance and federating with
| mastodon.social (Meta signed contracts with instance
| maintainers to do so) and the other 3 largest instances (Pawoo,
| baragg (d_o_t) net, and mstdn (d-o-t) jp) taking up more that
| >70% of the total users using it?
|
| That doesn't sound good.
|
| The CEO sold all of us out and was the only one that made real
| money on Mastodon.
| jeromegv wrote:
| In what world did the Mastodon CEO made money out of Mastodon
| beside the small public salary he's been taking? You are
| making things up.
| BeetleB wrote:
| I won't doubt your statistics. In _practice_ , my experience
| is that it really is distributed.
|
| I just went to my feed (only people I follow), and although
| mastodon.social showed up a few times, the majority of users
| I interact with are on distinct servers. So out of 20 people,
| I see 17 different servers.
|
| My feed will not be impacted much if mastodon.social dies.
| Ekaros wrote:
| Wait Bluesky had a CEO? I thought it was some type of organic
| open source collective.
| AuthAuth wrote:
| They constantly say they are a Public benefit corporation but
| there is no actual difference between that an a corporation.
| This leads to people assuming some kind of benevolence.
| asmor wrote:
| If you need a reference measure of "Public Benefit
| Corporation", Anthropic is one too.
| dbbk wrote:
| There is an actual difference
| AuthAuth wrote:
| No there isnt.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| You're thinking of mastodon, and even that had a lead:
| https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/19/mastodon_ceo_steps_do...
| snapetom wrote:
| I'm not going to speak for OP, but I definitely remember it
| also being a rallying cry for Bluesky too. "No one person can
| control the network blah blah blah"
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| Bluesky's claims of being decentralised were always way way
| ahead of the de-facto reality of it. That's not the same as
| Mastodon.
|
| It has been a "rallying cry" but it doesn't stand up to
| much scrutiny of how Bluesky actually functions: an "open
| protocol" with one central server means little. Maybe this
| will change at some point in the future, and maybe it is
| changing, see https://blacksky.community/ . But this is not
| the same as Mastodon, where it's been that way for a while.
| simonw wrote:
| That's not at all incompatible with Bluesky having a funded
| company with a CEO.
|
| The term they use for this is "credible exit" - designing
| the entire protocol such that if the company itself
| misbehaves the affected users can leave to a separate
| instance without losing their relationships or data.
| MarsIronPI wrote:
| Nah, that's Nostr. fiatjaf created it but doesn't hold any
| actual authority. All the extensions are community-driven.
| Kye wrote:
| I have no idea what to think of this. Especially the Automattic
| connection, the company with the petty tyrant running it. I would
| want anyone coming from there to have learned something from the
| failure of the WordPress Foundation since Bluesky will need some
| foundationing too.
| davidw wrote:
| I was enjoying having one social network not run by horrid
| people. Maybe it's time to go back to IRC or something.
| ynniv wrote:
| nostr
| verdverm wrote:
| no sir, never gonna do crypto social media
| AirMax98 wrote:
| Fun fact: under the hood atproto bears many similarities to
| blockchain... it was funded in during the 2019/2020 crypto
| craze. I'm not too involved, but outside of a consensus
| mechanism, atproto looks a bit like a chain, kinda like
| IPFS.
| verdverm wrote:
| I'm very deep into ATProto development, in particular I
| have the first Permissioned PDS implementation [1]. It
| definitely has roots in blockchain / federated, but makes
| tradeoffs for UX.
|
| The more interesting perspective is a Plug-n-Play
| Distributed System [2]
|
| [1] https://github.com/bluesky-
| social/atproto/compare/main...ver...
|
| [2] https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-
| engineers
| pfraze wrote:
| I guess I'm honored that you feel like we weren't horrid. I
| have gotten a very positive impression from Toni so far, fwiw.
| davidw wrote:
| I mean, the competition isn't setting a high bar, between the
| guy complaining about 'white people not having a homeland'
| and the other guy peddling addictive stuff to teens and AI
| slop to their grandparents.
|
| That said, I have genuinely been enjoying Blue Sky. It has
| 'enough' for me. There are a bunch of YIMBYs and urbanists.
| The mayor of my city and one of my city councilors are there.
| There is starting to be a bike racing community. There are
| some good local journalists.
|
| I read your other comment; I hope your optimism is warranted.
| pfraze wrote:
| Same
| rvz wrote:
| Translation: VCs and the board pushed Jay out.
|
| The interim CEO doesn't even use Bluesky himself, so at this
| point you might as well move to Threads.
| qcoret wrote:
| This is false, he has been on Bluesky since 2024.
| https://bsky.app/profile/toni.bsky.team
| Lammy wrote:
| Last activity 17 days ago, 23 days ago, 3 months ago, 3
| months ago, 4 months ago
| verdverm wrote:
| Dive deeper with PDSLS
|
| https://pdsls.dev/at://did:plc:cwf4mmm7mpzistinx3ox2zhj#col
| l...
| rvz wrote:
| "17 posts" since 2024.
|
| 13 of them are reposts, and 2 of them are his own _actual_
| posts and then made 2 more posts about becoming the interim
| CEO of Bluesky and then "thanking" Jay.
|
| That doesn't seem like he even uses it regularly only up
| until the leadership changes.
| baggachipz wrote:
| Threads? The twitter clone owned by Meta? Yeah no thanks.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| ... most social networks give you a "notification" if
| somebody follows you or engages with a post but there are two
| exceptions: (1) is LinkedIn which gives you a double-dose of
| main feed items you didn't click on and that you never
| clicked on anything like ever so it's a chance to prove their
| model is right... most social networks play a "ding" sound if
| somebody likes your post but LinkedIn dings when you post
| something because their standards are low. (2) Threads posts
| "notifications" that are somewhere between completely
| senseless and "political outrage of some kind but I can't
| tell if they like Trump or hate Trump"
| nout wrote:
| Or if you want something actually better at the core, you can
| switch to nostr. It's quite easy to even implement your own
| client app for nostr (even more so with LLMs), so you can get
| the experience you want.
| jrm4 wrote:
| Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but
| ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even _worse_ than Twitter.
|
| Which is to say, it provides a _more robust model_ for your
| (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even
| the Twitter model.
|
| The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers
| is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear
| more genuine "ability to delete" and more "plausible
| deniability."
| fritzo wrote:
| The community has voted for convenience over privacy, and
| twitter and bluesky have won over mastodon. You're right, but
| people don't actually care about privacy
| ghaff wrote:
| As someone who was once an avid twitter user, my sense is
| that Mastodon--after a somewhat hopeful start just never
| gained the network momentum. Bluesky came closest to
| Twitter's old reach but is still something of a shadow of the
| old Twitter (as Twitter/X is these days as well).
| lich_king wrote:
| Bluesky is not just a shadow, it's on a pretty steady
| decline. Their DAU numbers are dropping every month. Which
| probably tells you something about the unspoken reason for
| this change.
| ghaff wrote:
| Without researching actual numbers, it feels like that
| whole category of social media is pretty much
| uninteresting at this point. Not sure what really
| replaces it given that Facebook seems increasingly
| infested with AI slop and sponsored posts.
| verdverm wrote:
| More IRL time with other people hopefully.
| rekmarks wrote:
| No they're not? https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
| lich_king wrote:
| Yes they are? E.g.,
| https://api.backlinko.com/app/uploads/2025/11/bluesky-
| websit...
|
| This is also visible in your stats if you extend the time
| window. They had a peak in 2024 and are pretty much
| declining month to month ever since.
| haunter wrote:
| Are we seeing the same? All the stats are steadily going
| down https://i.imgur.com/QJakG56.png
| PaulHoule wrote:
| I'd describe that last six months as 'sideways' --- what
| was that surge near the end of last year?
| verdverm wrote:
| My understanding was the end of year time off / holidays,
| as compared to the dip around thanksgiving.
| ajsalminen wrote:
| I believe that surge was Elon announcing AI image editing
| on X and a bunch of Japanese artists and their followers
| trying out Bluesky.
| verdverm wrote:
| Jaz's stats are sus, use this instead:
| https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/index.html
| rakovsky89 wrote:
| Twitter/X is thriving, what are you talking about
| lukev wrote:
| Bluesky is very intentionally about public posting. It's a
| bit weird to say people "don't care about privacy" when
| speaking of a platform designed to amplify and distribute
| posts as widely and effectively as possible.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| There is a lot of weirdness around Mastodon, particularly
| some people can't seem to make up their minds if they want
| the stuff they post to be visible or not.
| jrm4 wrote:
| Exactly. And I'm willing to be that Bluesky folk might be
| somewhat similar because they haven't figured it out yet.
|
| Except that the design of Bluesky severely increases the
| possibility of your data getting out of your control. And
| I can hear the immediate responses of "oh if you didn't
| want it public, don't post it," but as should be
| frightfully obvious -- not everyone thinks like that.
| archagon wrote:
| If a social network stays comparatively small but still
| active, I see that as a huge win. Half the people I follow
| are happily on Mastodon. I don't see that changing anytime
| soon.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| I am on a bunch of socials but as time goes by I like my
| cohort on Mastodon better and better.
| verdverm wrote:
| Many a Discord server would agree
| alterom wrote:
| >You're right, but people don't actually care about privacy
|
| The entire point of a platform like Twitter / Bluesky is
| _reach_ , not _privacy_.
|
| Posts and discussions there are _meant to be_ public, and
| highly visible.
|
| It's not that people don't care. It's that this is not what
| the platform is _for_.
|
| What's important for a platform like that is not even
| _anonymity_ , but functional _pseudonymity_.
|
| And that thing is on its way to the effectively outlawed with
| the push for "age verification".
|
| People do notice it and leave [1], but at some point, there
| might be no place to go to.
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1rmlzhy/welp_go
| odb...
| jrm4 wrote:
| I 100% agree, I always thought that even Private Messages
| were a bad idea.
|
| But no, we're way past "if you don't want it public don't
| post it." and then wiping our hands and being done. We need
| to think in a policy kind of way on this.
|
| And again, things are already dangerous -- but ATProto
| makes them _more dangerous._ It 's something like a chain-
| of-custody thing. I think the world is collectively safer
| where the gathering of data like this is _less_ reliable
| and _less_ verifiable.
|
| ATProto's model makes the building of the proverbial evil
| Big Brother panopticon thing a LOT easier.
| ajsalminen wrote:
| I'd rather say Twitter and Threads are the current winners if
| we're talking about userbase. Bluesky is basically in the
| same league with Mastodon while those two are so far above
| that you can't even see them without a telescope.
| jrm4 wrote:
| I mostly don't like this take because it presumes a precise
| definition of privacy that we all agree on. And it's not even
| remotely close to that, which is why I think the Bluesky
| model is perhaps insidious.
| fritzo wrote:
| Good point. For sake of argument, how about this
| stratification of privacy levels:
|
| twitter/x/bluesky - a big tech company owns your data
|
| mastodon - a grassroots community organization owns your
| data
|
| zulip - someone you've met personally owns the data
|
| your blog - you own the data
|
| (and yes these are a bit of a category error, but to
| achieve privacy maybe we should broaden the category and
| sacrifice reach)
| lukev wrote:
| You can care a lot about plausible deniability and the ability
| to delete your own data, but it seems a bit weird to denounce a
| whole ecosystem as "generally a bad idea" on those grounds,
| when that is a deliberate anti-goal of the system design.
|
| Don't use it if you don't like it. Some of us like the strong
| identity and content verification.
| jrm4 wrote:
| "Don't use it if you don't like it" is not a sufficient
| response here, because the gathering and verifying of
| personal data is NOT PURELY AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM. You might
| post about me. Etc.
|
| Proverbial Big Brother ALSO likes "strong identity and
| content verification."
| Zak wrote:
| The Mastodon model does not offer much ability to delete. Well-
| behaved servers will honor delete requests, but the protocol
| doesn't mandate it. Additionally, a user cannot generate delete
| requests if they get banned from their server or the server
| shuts down. Users and server admins can't control whether
| another server permits archiving of their content. Mastodon and
| other fediverse software allows following public posts by RSS,
| and RSS clients might keep them forever.
|
| The only reasonable understanding is that these protocols are
| for for publishing to the public. It is not possible to
| reliably retract anything published to thousands of other
| peoples' computers. We used to try to teach people that _the
| internet is forever_ , and that's even more true with federated
| protocols. That doesn't make them a bad idea.
| NoahZuniga wrote:
| But at proto is equally open? You can also just save all of
| at proto.
| Zak wrote:
| You can save all of anything someone makes public with
| ATProto, ActivityPub, or RSS. You can do that with anything
| someone puts on a web page too, but those protocols
| simplify automation.
|
| I understand why people want to be able to delete things
| from the internet, but it doesn't work that way. It has
| never worked that way. It can't work that way unless every
| computer is locked down to running remotely attested
| government-approved software, and that's obviously worse.
| ghaff wrote:
| Once you hit publish, it's public and anyone and everyone
| can save a copy and distribute it. If you don't like
| that, don't hit publish.
| verdverm wrote:
| ATProto won't be this way for much longer. Permissioned
| data is coming and will not be broadcast or accessible
| without grants. This will sit next to the public data,
| but separate.
| jrm4 wrote:
| Actually, yes, it does.
|
| Or more precisely, it might. We now have a better idea of how
| people actually behave and it's not in accordance with "the
| internet is forever," and I have no interest in blaming them
| for 'human nature' in that way.
|
| And it's all still dangerous. Again, I know the internet is
| forever, but someone else posting about ME might not.
|
| This isn't an _individual_ thing. It 's "ecological."
|
| And I have no interest in making Big Brother THAT MUCH EASIER
| to build.
| RIMR wrote:
| I think it's important to remember that decentralization is a
| barrier to having control over your data. If you're going to
| participate in these systems, you should treat everything you
| do as permanent, because by design you will not be in control
| of where that data is stored.
| AlienRobot wrote:
| What? You don't even need to understand how Mastodon works in
| depth to realize that sending a post to 500 different servers
| owned by completely different people in completely different
| jurisdictions is going to make it harder to delete later.
| muppetman wrote:
| Ahhh yup, wondered how long it'd take before this happened. Sorry
| to sound like THAT guy, but I'm glad I deleted my account ages
| ago. I liked BS and it seemed good but yea, here comes Twitter
| 3.0
| pfraze wrote:
| This move came from Jay so that she could focus more on the
| atproto ecosystem and forward looking development. Personally,
| I'm happy for her. The CEO role gets extremely wrapped up in
| operations & org building, and as a technologist I'm not sure it
| would be for me.
|
| I've met with Toni a couple of times and he seems really
| excellent. He was CEO of Automattic (Wordpress) from 2006 to
| 2014, and that means a fair amount of expertise making an open-
| source-first company work. He cares about an open internet and
| protocol, and seems very keen to drive the mission forward.
|
| For a little extra assurance, atproto is hopefully quite close to
| establishing an IETF working group, and the DID PLC Directory is
| likewise close to establishing the independent entity. Our
| priorities for an open network are unchanged.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| We don't need "open" networks (Digital Panopticons), we need
| private networks.
| pfraze wrote:
| Both are good
| baliex wrote:
| What are your thoughts on people self hosting their own
| websites and blogs instead of posting to big tech platforms?
| I'd say that extra openness was a good thing. I absolutely
| believe in privacy as well, and think ownership is important
| too.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| We already could've done that before, just throw a HTML
| file on a HTTP server on a cheap VPS
| danabramov wrote:
| That's pretty much what atproto is, except it's typed
| JSON rather than HTML, and HTTP+WebSockets to allow
| aggregation.
|
| I wrote more about how it works here if you're curious:
| https://overreacted.io/a-social-filesystem/
| CactusBlue wrote:
| and I actually don't hate that bit (I really like
| lexicons, although I might have approached it in a
| different way) - what I hate is the aggregation layer. I
| know that it is possible to have an AppView-less atproto
| app (e.g. RedDwarf), but I feel like much of the
| ecosystem still defaults to the assumption that it will
| go through the Bluesky AppView.
| danabramov wrote:
| Unrelated apps (https://leaflet.pub/,
| https://tangled.org/, http://semble.so/) don't go through
| Bluesky Appview (since they need aggregations of
| different kind of data). I think aggregation is the only
| model that can compete with centralized services on UX,
| but of course different apps would need different
| backends.
| verdverm wrote:
| You may be confusing the Relay, a protocol component run
| by Bluesky, with the Bluesky AppView
|
| https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-
| engineers
| jeffbee wrote:
| This is like saying anyone can open a lemonade stand in
| Mogadishu.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Who is this "we" and where can I read their opinions?
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| We have never had an online open public space where each of
| us has our voice, can shape our experience, can use our own
| compsable moderation, can integrate with whatever apps we
| choose.
|
| How, in spite of having no data on what it would be like,
| people are so confident that leaving shared open connected
| mediums behind is the only way to go is such a mystery to me.
|
| The radio station I'm on just played a modem tone, Mountain
| Chill Radio. But I was already gearing up to write what an
| amazing era this has been, how incredible a rise it has been
| that we can connect & talk, with so many people. My dialtone
| travels so much further & that is glorious. I have no idea,
| feel like I would have no chance to build a good private
| network for myself, that my life would stagnante and closed,
| if I had to build my networks myself in private, smuggling
| the light of my soul to others rather than being able to let
| it out.
|
| I am happy to be online. I am proud of my "data", my voice,
| my app records. There's some less pleasant less shiny
| corners! But it is mad incredible that I get to do this live,
| that I get to have so many edges of connection and
| serendipity. People provide the most wild interesting
| comments and suggestions and topics, ongoingly. I benefit so
| much from them sharing their lives.
|
| I spiritually believe deeply that we have our light to share
| with the universe. To turn your nose up at sharing, to
| renounce & see only evil, to let the Fear Uncertainty and
| Doubt, this spectre of the closed/bad/no-good controlling
| systems shape our thinking here is a pandora's box: I say you
| are shutting the door right as hope is finally trying to get
| out.
| hinkley wrote:
| There is a very common inflection point in companies where the
| CEO needs to be about maintaining what is built instead of
| growing forever. You cannot, for instance, when you have 60%
| market share expect the company to keep growing linearly. The
| people who do end up stooping to questionable means to grow new
| markets they have no business growing, like for instance
| children.
|
| Some orgs will go through three, from founder, to growth, to
| sustaining.
| arbglhcs0 wrote:
| hiring pfraze was the biggest mistake the company ever made
| AJRF wrote:
| I've found lately that between age gating and twitter being -
| well I don't want to get into it - I am no longer looking for
| replacements - I just want to stop using those parts of the
| internet.
|
| Now I am down to file sharing, email and functions related to my
| job, a little youtube - but trying to ween myself of that. The
| internet as I knew it is dead.
| haunter wrote:
| If you follow live sports then Twitter is still unparalleled
| because people (and broadcasters too) upload highlights in near
| real time. Every event, goal, home run, crash etc.
| Aboutplants wrote:
| This is massively true and was the last thing that I had to
| overcome when dropping Twitter. Certain sports have better
| engagement than others but it is pretty staggering the
| difference. If BlueSky could figure that out then they would
| have a legitimate shot at substantial success
| haunter wrote:
| >If BlueSky could figure that out
|
| It's a "people problem" not a technical one. For example if
| you are following anything from Asia, or just generally from
| Japan and Korea you will most likely see it on Twitter, there
| was never a big exodus of users there. Bsky has almost 0
| engagement. Just watching WBC this week and I wanted to see
| korean highlights of their games. They are all over on
| Twitter, nothing on Bsky.
| ChicagoDave wrote:
| They are aware:
|
| https://jobs.gem.com/bluesky/am9icG9zdDqRK9D8osOaeyyESJ7cPsX...
|
| Job opening to build sports relationships.
| qingcharles wrote:
| There's an absolute ton of niches which are completely anchored
| to Twitter. It's hard to get a whole raft of people to move at
| once :(
| rorylawless wrote:
| For high-level football/calcio/soccer at least, Reddit is and
| has been better for a long time. Often goal and other key
| highlights are uploaded before the broadcasters.
| nomilk wrote:
| Are there tools that let users post to both simultaneously?
| (e.g. similar to how streamers can simultaneously stream to
| Twitch/YT/X easily)
| monster_truck wrote:
| bsky is going to get "freenode boyking'd" so hard. It, the maybe
| 300k human users, and 42.7 million bots are going to be sold and
| they will pull up the drawbridges.
| AbstractH24 wrote:
| Blue sky seems like a bit of a flop
|
| Let's not forget Jack Dorsey laid off half of Cash the other week
| fredgrott wrote:
| by what metric....
|
| for example name the only Twitter investment that made
| money....
|
| hint...Bluesky.....all other Twitter projects failed.
| taurath wrote:
| Cue 3 months to the "I'm having to make some hard decisions"
| email. Whats the board at Bluesky like?
| arcalinea wrote:
| Jay here: this is a transition I've been working towards for
| awhile, and I'm looking forward to advancing the vision and
| ecosystem as CIO (Chief Innovation Officer). Toni has been an
| advisor to us for years, and I personally recruited him to take
| over as CEO while I focus on new projects within the company.
| It's an honor to have him on board to lead us into this next
| stage of growth.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| How do you feel about the recent communication failures from
| the team to the userbase? As another builder of an open-source
| social platform, we must all understand that it is paramount
| for _any_ company to not antagonize its customers, doubly so
| for a SOCIAL platform. I do understand that Bluesky and ATProto
| has to deal with a lot of baggage from both the old userbase
| and the new influx from the X /Twitter exodus, but engaging in
| user-antagonistic communication caused me to sour on the whole
| protocol.
| catapart wrote:
| Big time +1, here. Would love to hear something - anything -
| from the bsky team that takes some accountability.
| parl_match wrote:
| > user-antagonistic communication
|
| could you provide some examples? i didn't really see this,
| but maybe i just missed it
| CactusBlue wrote:
| https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/05/waffles-eat-bluesky/
| parl_match wrote:
| I don't like Jesse Singal's work or his political
| positions (he fucking sucks!), but this is hardly
| antagonistic except to maybe a small group of terminally
| online posters who take posting too seriously.
|
| Although, I guess that is the audience bluesky was
| targeting when they first started. So I guess I
| understand the criticism.
|
| Also, it is a very ironic demonstration of the
| pancakes/waffles meme. Interjecting into an unrelated
| topic to ask the mods to ban someone you don't like is a
| tradition as old as dial up BBS. So I'm glad to see the
| torch is being carried forward to a younger generation.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| I don't even think having Jesse Singal on the platform is
| the problem (like it or not, I believe that all beings
| must have the right to communicate); the problem here was
| the communication failure when communicating this
| decision to the userbase. They could have just reiterated
| their rules and left it at that; instead, they chose to
| mock their userbase, write them off as harassment, and
| banned users left and right, abusing their position in
| network to censor people at every layer of the protocol.
| parl_match wrote:
| > instead, they chose to mock their userbase
|
| Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about
| pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose and
| demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness.
|
| > They could have just reiterated their rules and left it
| at that; instead, they chose to mock their userbase,
| write them off as harassment, and banned users left and
| right, abusing their position in network to censor people
| at every layer of the protocol.
|
| The more I dig into it, the more your one-sided whinging
| falls apart. I agree they could have handled it somewhat
| better, but I have very little sympathy for the
| terminally online bullshit that I'm seeing coming from
| the banned users.
|
| Anyways, I feel we're apart on this issue. Feel free to
| have the last word if you wish.
| jrflowers wrote:
| > Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about
| pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose
|
| Wait what do you think "the pancakes/waffles thing"
| refers to? You posted 2 hours ago that you had never
| heard of it.
|
| I can see that how it could be confusing because there's
| "the pancakes/waffles thing" where Jay wrote about about
| people complaining to the CEO when the moderation team
| doesn't respond as being equivalent to that meme, and
| then there's "the pancakes/waffles thing" where Jay
| started posting pictures of pancakes and waffles as some
| sort of... joke or dunk? I never quite got the 4D comedy
| chess there.
|
| It doesn't seem like anybody is "doing the
| pancakes/waffles thing" in either case. Nobody is asking
| Jay, as CEO, to ban anyone in the thread about Jay not
| being the CEO anymore. And I don't think I've seen anyone
| ironically posting metahumor pictures of pancakes.
|
| The term has become so overused that definition creep now
| means that it could mean "anything that might bother Jay"
| in this context.
| easterncalculus wrote:
| > instead, they chose to mock their userbase
|
| It's a CEO's personal account. CEOs do this on Twitter
| all the time without it becoming a techcrunch article.
|
| Let's just be honest about what happened - the CEO of
| Bluesky gave a (still not proportionally as) absurd
| response to an extremely absurd harassment campaign.
| That's what this and the article intentionally obscure.
|
| Again, this is never how the web was supposed to work,
| and it (BARELY) holding on to that is the real story.
| mossTechnician wrote:
| The central complaint doesn't seem to be distaste, but
| rather the fact that he is uniquely privileged over other
| users, despite violating Bluesky's terms of service.[0]
|
| [0]: https://www.change.org/p/bluesky-must-enforce-its-
| community-...
| Levitz wrote:
| The central complaint isn't "distaste" because you can't
| call for someone to be banned because of a "distaste".
|
| "Jesse Singal has distributed private medical information
| on Bluesky without the consent of the patient" translates
| to publishing a quote from a patient included in a
| therapist's letter of support for hormones.
|
| The problem in this situation is that _the complaint
| itself_ as well as the whole drama surrounding the person
| is an exercise of harassment _towards Singal_. In this
| context, I don 't think that saying "waffles" is out of
| order. I'm not sure of what else can be done about
| crybullying, since by its very nature innocent bystanders
| would be surely affected if action was taken against
| those complaining.
| mossTechnician wrote:
| Distributing private medical information without consent
| is a violation of Bluesky's terms.
|
| And to me, that sounds like a much more concrete example
| of someone being a bully.
| zdragnar wrote:
| Is it private if it is in a public affidavit?
| mossTechnician wrote:
| In my opinion, inappropriately leaked information should
| probably be considered private. But even if not, Singal
| says the same leaker directly contacted him with a _new_
| leak, which he also published.
| Levitz wrote:
| >"Don't use Bluesky Social to break the law or cause harm
| to others,"
|
| Is this, quoted in the change.org, the relevant line?
|
| The law was not broken, it is also fairly evident that
| the intention was not to "cause harm to others", nor has
| any harm has seemingly come upon the patient for this (it
| requires a huge stretch of imagination to think of a case
| in which it could)
| tekla wrote:
| Why do people keep lying about this?
|
| He pulled a quote from a publically available affidavit.
|
| There was no identifying information whatsoever either.
| easterncalculus wrote:
| Yeah here's the problem with this argument:
|
| 1. People want him banned for any and no reason, so this
| is a post-hoc justification. The same people (let's be
| real, likely including you) wanted Singal banned the
| second he made his account.
|
| 2. This change.org petition, despite proving how many
| uninformed people will blindly click agree on a petition,
| proves nothing about how Singal broke literally any rule
| anywhere, in law or on Bluesky.
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| > Although, I guess that is the audience bluesky was
| targeting when they first started. So I guess I
| understand the criticism.
|
| I was in the invite only cohort of Bluesky users and I
| don't really think so. I think what happened is after the
| election a bunch of very online, political news addicted
| anti-Musk folks migrated to Bluesky and created the
| current culture. Even though I'm pretty sure most folks
| on the network shared pretty much the same politics, the
| culture on the network changed completely within a few
| days of this.
| jmcgough wrote:
| I think Jesse Singal is an awful person, but Jay
| responded appropriately there.
| rakovsky89 wrote:
| they keep misgendering me
| easterncalculus wrote:
| There aren't really any, the user you're replying to is
| just disappointed the campaign to ban users for no (on
| platform, or really any) reason was not successful.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| I don't care about the specific situation either way;
| What I am observant of is how the core team has handled
| their userbase and lack of protocol robustness.
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| Meh. People are going to antagonize themselves. Trying to win
| em all is a fools game.
|
| I wrote this to a discord on the 7th:
|
| > _i know it 's so obviously stupid, but i like that they are
| having fun with being online, even if it is at their users
| expense. and omg the users are so so awful to them, so much.
| again, it seems obviously bad to do, but i can't help but
| want them to keep at having fun online anyways._
|
| That was in semi private. I'd de-enohazize the expense part
| seirously, I'd spin it a little differently now, emphasizing
| more the Douglas Adams nature of it all:
|
| > _In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made
| a lot of people angry, and been widely regarded as a bad
| move._
|
| But that is also not owning it either, and I think this is an
| ownable lesson in just being human too, in deciding whether
| online mediums are corporate, lawyer, marketing, and engineer
| checked reviewed approved and wise correct words, or whether
| there must be some permission to be ourselves online, and
| some expectations that people are only human, and we should
| be thankful they are sharing their human experiences with us
| or not. It's not just having fun: _whether we can be
| ourselves online is in question._ Whether that is socially
| allowed.
|
| (And generally I haven't found the character of the team to
| be deeply off. They haven't been, in my view, going out of
| their way to create injury, but they have been sharing sides
| that people have never wanted to hear!)
|
| I see how this has been a bad taste for some. And I don't
| want to belittle your feelings here at all. Yes being more
| correct would be the wise obvious choice. Ultimately though I
| think these team member's are more beholden to remaining
| human, having fun, enjoying themselves.
|
| And to creating (to credit another soul in the discord)
| _personal_ / compsable moderation & filter systems (not top
| down enforcement!) such that they can enjoy being a "main
| character" online (like it or not), even in the midst of
| strident focused directed continual hostility. Which is a
| capability atproto is truly uniquely without compare set up
| to support & enable.
|
| Props to the team. Please keep posting. Sorry about humanity.
| Sorry to people who are upset and turned off by this. No one
| is perfect, we work with what we got, and our responses are
| human and our own and valid, whether they are the wisest
| sharpest most all correct choice or no. With the good willing
| souls, we work towards synthesis & understanding; hopefully
| all sides find that agreeable.
| yuestion wrote:
| The most vocal and obnoxious of the Bluesky userbase get
| antagonized by pretty much anything. Pleasing that lot is a
| fruitless task.
|
| What Bluesky should do now is focus on expanding their
| userbase away from this particular group of insufferables.
| CactusBlue wrote:
| As a startup founder, your userbase is your god. Either
| treat them with utmost respect, or learn to explicitly fire
| your customers.
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| You have more than one user base.
|
| You have to make hard product decisions about which user
| bases to serve.
| marxisttemp wrote:
| They should focus on implementing ActivityPub instead of
| their useless proprietary protocol
| danabramov wrote:
| It's not "proprietary", it's openly specified and is
| literally being taken to IETF:
| https://docs.bsky.app/blog/taking-at-to-ietf
|
| Also, unlike ActivityPub, it's _actually useful_ for
| building features that normal people expect from social
| apps -- for example, algorithmic feeds and search, and a
| single interlinked world (rather than fragmented
| "servers").
| Dracophoenix wrote:
| Since you're now focusing on the AT protocol, will E2EE/OTR
| become a priority?
| danabramov wrote:
| There's a recent post by Daniel (who works on atproto) on why
| E2EE is not a current focus:
| https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3meluqcwky22a
| big_toast wrote:
| Is there any discussion somewhere about adding in the data
| that makes the x.com/twitter recommend/ranker so
| functional?
|
| The "Grok-based Transformer"[0] that uses
| P(click/dwell/not_interested/photo_expand/video_view) seems
| pretty important and I can't tell how atproto is capturing
| it. I use @spacecowboy17.bsky.social's For You and from
| what I understand that feed wouldn't get that data?
|
| [0]:https://github.com/xai-org/x-algorithm?tab=readme-ov-
| file#sc... (this isn't an endorsement of grok/x, it's more
| that the transformer recommender has been very steerable
| via those signals in my experience)
|
| (I also struggle with the omni-purpose likes - endorsement,
| approval, discover-algorithm-input. Maybe a more prominent
| more/less button addresses this, but then provides less
| network signal.)
| egorfine wrote:
| Is the new blocking age verification page the kind of
| innovation we should expect from BlueSky?
| ChicagoDave wrote:
| If there was an Internet Technology hall of fame, your work
| with atproto would qualify.
|
| One big innovation is to drag a large bank or Stripe on board
| to enable payments on the network.
|
| Good luck!
| yieldcrv wrote:
| I'm glad you were able to reach your goal, been following your
| professional journey since I met you at a silicon valley event
| 10 years ago, looking forward to what you do with the ecosystem
| yuestion wrote:
| With the new CEO in place, are there any plans to deal with the
| obnoxious userbase of Bluesky, and perhaps try to expand it out
| to reach people who don't exhibit such high levels of toxicity?
| whattheheckheck wrote:
| Yeah its the same plans Elon has for X
| marxisttemp wrote:
| Why did you deliberately steal Mastodon's thunder? Why don't
| you support ActivityPub?
| user3939382 wrote:
| It's a social network premised on not liking Elon Musk as far as
| I remember. The inverse is not true, Twitter user adoption as far
| as I can tell is not primarily driven by left/right political
| fanaticism. Not sure what reason it even has to exist.
| Devasta wrote:
| Bluesky is very strange, it's got potential to endure as a fairly
| popular social media site but it's kinda obvious that it's staff
| are contemptuous of their users.
|
| The intended audience was meant to be blockchain weirdos with
| encyclopedic knowledge of the age of consent in every state, but
| instead they are stuck with a core userbase of Furries and LGBT
| people.
|
| They don't know how to fix this, so they'll be stuck floundering
| for a while to come trying and failing to return to their core
| mission.
| nout wrote:
| It's nice to be on a network that doesn't have a CEO or a board.
| I think this is why Nostr is really something different and more
| important.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| While I definitely appreciate the sentiments of ATproto and a bit
| more openness of Bluesky as a platform for development fun and
| perks like domain verification etc...... having to relive all of
| the development that we went thru with Twitter for over a decade
| as they 'build in the open' is frustrating. The network effects
| are there (which are super important to break out of silos and
| gain explorability) a bit more thanks to the centralization and
| hashtags (moreso that the go nowhere Fediverse) but there's a
| bigger hole: say what you want about daily user numbers, so much
| mainstream and big accounts are just not there. From news
| organizations (including the ones that are there that post
| 'selectively') to politicians, sports like some others have
| mentioned, entertainment and more. Abandoned accounts, or just
| not there. A chunk of the conversation (or even the 'fight') and
| reachability of those entities, even the usefulness of having an
| official source on the platform for their content, is not there
| in many instances. And I don't know why this isn't a major focus
| for growth and legitimacy. Hope there's some more direction on
| that if you want it to be anything other than an 'escape' for
| left-leaning people and those looking for a bit more independence
| over their profiles.
| guywithahat wrote:
| This makes sense, they've had a lot of issues with cp and have
| generally developed a poor reputation for their user-base and
| bans. It seems more like a systemic issue to me rather than a CEO
| issue, but I suppose all issues start at the CEO level in some
| regard
| alexose wrote:
| Toni is very well regarded among Automattic employees. I'm
| personally stoked to see him work on Bluesky.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| Maybe they can finally crack down on communist symbols. IDK how
| they haven't been investigated in most of Europe yet.
| ElijahLynn wrote:
| Clickbaity headline: Seems more accurate to stay stepping to the
| left, instead of stepping down. Stepping down implies leaving the
| company, which is not the case as Jay is moving into the Chief
| Innovation Officer role.
| arbglhcs0 wrote:
| LOL
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