[HN Gopher] Nintendo Sues U.S. Government for Tariff Refunds
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Nintendo Sues U.S. Government for Tariff Refunds
Author : coloneltcb
Score : 79 points
Date : 2026-03-06 21:29 UTC (1 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.scribd.com)
| loeg wrote:
| Why is this in particular more notable than the other thousands
| of companies suing for tariff relief? (In particular, V.O.S.
| Selections.)
| lemoncookiechip wrote:
| It's not, but more people know what a Nintendo is by name
| recognition.
| jasoneckert wrote:
| Certain companies are well-known for their legal teams.
| Qualcomm is one (often described as a legal company that
| employs some engineers). Nintendo is the other.
|
| As a result, Nintendo's legal team is far more likely to ensure
| they get refunded, and quickly. They could provide a template
| for others to follow.
| RyJones wrote:
| when I worked there, I described it as a navy of lawyers with
| a dinghy of engineers.
| rectang wrote:
| Hmm, I would have thought of Oracle first.
|
| (EDIT: I just mean as a litigious company, well-known for its
| legal team.)
| dafelst wrote:
| Trump is too useful to Ellison right now, he isn't going to
| derail that gravy train over a few tens of millions of
| dollars.
| TimorousBestie wrote:
| Nintendo is famously litigious and has the legal war chest to
| sustain a court battle with usgov.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| Nintendo has big fucking money. And it's a household name.
|
| Say, they get pissed off too much... they could run campaigns
| just days before the election if they wanted.
| happytoexplain wrote:
| I've never heard of V.O.S. Selections.
| loeg wrote:
| https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/trump-v-v-o-s-
| se...
| happytoexplain wrote:
| Thanks, but I was answering your question by anecdote, not
| asking for clarification. To be clear: I'm implying an
| opinion that Nintendo has more name recognition than V.O.S.
| Selections, not that their suit is otherwise more
| significant.
| joe_mamba wrote:
| So if they win, the US taxpayer will pay for it?
| tantalic wrote:
| If they win, the US government collected taxes they shouldn't
| and those would be returned. Saying the "US taxpayer will pay
| for it" is equivalent to saying the US taxpayer pays for your
| tax refund. (And also, Nintendo is a "US taxpayer.")
| johnnyanmac wrote:
| The consumer did pay for it (not "taxpayers", per se) .
| Tarriffs went up, prices surged, and consumers paid that. Now
| companies get a refund and probably won't lower prices unless
| they feel there was extremely adverse effects.
|
| I don't see how the consumer won in any of this.
| yibers wrote:
| So hold on. The US taxpayer first paid the tariffs themselves.
| Next he has to pay compensation for the tariffs he himself
| paid?
| johnnyanmac wrote:
| We're still on a massive defecit, so yes? We didn't have that
| tarriffs money hanging out in a vault.
| shagie wrote:
| Tariffs _do_ hang out in a vault for a period of time when
| the importer can challenge the collection or the amount.
|
| https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/06/cbp-tells-judge-
| it-...
|
| > Under customs law, importers generally have about 314
| days after goods enter the country before a tariff payment
| is finalized, a process known as "liquidation."
|
| > If companies fail to challenge the duty and request a
| refund after the duty is finalized -- or liquidated -- they
| must file a formal protest and, in some cases, challenge
| the decision in the New York-based trade court to recover
| the funds.
| johnnyanmac wrote:
| [delayed]
| czzr wrote:
| Essentially yes. Companies paid the tariff costs, largely
| passed this on to consumers via higher prices, and now
| companies are due the tariff costs back. Consumers of course
| won't get anything back.
|
| Well done America.
| we_have_options wrote:
| Hey, not a problem. We pay in a fiat currency we control.
| tapoxi wrote:
| The administration already lost and the tariffs were found to
| be illegal, this is Nintendo wanting their money back.
|
| Taxpayers already paid for it, companies raised their prices to
| compensate.
| theultdev wrote:
| Not really. The scope of the judgement was universal tariffs
| weren't allowed for that _specific_ invocation of IEEPA 50
| U.S.C. SSSS 1701
|
| The Trump administration immediately invoked Section 122 for
| a 10% duty on nonexempt imports and announced expanded
| Section 232 and 301 investigations.
| mothballed wrote:
| Yes but the sleight of hand here is to just simply say
| "taxpayer."
|
| The taxpayer that paid the tariff was the consumer. The fact
| Nintendo actually wrote the check is largely accounting, this
| was passed on to the consumer.
|
| The taxpayer that receives the refund is Nintendo, straight
| into their profits.
|
| So the taxpayer paying and the taxpayer receiving are totally
| different. This is basically like regressive welfare where
| consumer paid a private but government imposed tax to
| corporations.
| ndiddy wrote:
| Yeah the Switch 2 (launched after Liberation Day) costs
| $449 in the US and 49,980 yen (~$316) in Japan. I doubt
| Nintendo will be lowering the price of the console outside
| Japan anytime soon.
| shagie wrote:
| Most of the money that Nintendo paid and is entitled to have be
| returned to them has not gone into the government's coffers.
|
| The money that has passed various deadlines may be more
| difficult to return, however it is still money that is due to
| Nintendo. That may be more difficult to obtain, but it isn't
| the government's money in the first place.
|
| US tax payers aren't paying money to Nintendo - they're paying
| for the government's lawyers to try to argue against _not_
| paying back illegally collected tariffs.
|
| https://realeconomy.rsmus.com/ieepa-tariffs-struck-down-what...
| rectang wrote:
| This court filing document appears to have been posted on Scribd
| to serve as a reference for an article by Nicole Carpenter on
| Aftermath which provides context for Nintendo's case:
|
| https://aftermath.site/nintendo-tariffs-sue/
| DDayMace wrote:
| Wow a Nintendo lawsuit that doesn't bother me ;-)
| datahack wrote:
| That's the kind of righteous sarcasm you can build a community
| on.
|
| Take my upvote.
| grg0 wrote:
| Here we go!
| barbazoo wrote:
| I'm assuming the importer which paid the tariff would be the one
| trying to get the money back, is that the case here for Nintendo
| are they the importer here?
| akudha wrote:
| Can someone ELI5 how this would work? Is it possible to
| accurately calculate the amount, with the tariff percentages
| changing on a weekly basis? If companies do get refunds, do they
| just keep it? After all, it was the end user who paid/pays, isn't
| it?
|
| Also, do/will these companies drop prices if/when tariffs are
| reversed?
| bena wrote:
| You'd have receipts.
|
| Every shipment from overseas would essentially have a line item
| for tariffs due. Just add them up.
| bluGill wrote:
| Any large company puts all their records in an accounting
| system so they can figure this out. It make take some time to
| run the right query, but they have the records. Of course
| this assumes they put the full breakdown in the system, if it
| is just the total cost of goods including shipping as a
| single line item they can't do this - but commonly they will
| have the break down in some system. (at the very least the
| shippers/importer will - and they have incentive to run this
| for you and give you the results - it is fairly cheap and
| generates goodwill)
| mothballed wrote:
| The smartest comment I've seen was a proposal to use a negative
| tariff until the refunds are offset. At least in that case
| there is some bit of chance that the consumer gets their money
| back since the supply curve should shift up lowering apparent
| prices until the negative tax fades off. I'm sure many will
| point out all the flaws with that and the fact some of it will
| be captured as profit anyway, but it seems better than dumping
| 100% of it to profit which is what happens if you just refund
| to the importer of record.
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| The way that tariffs work is, some specific person (often a
| corporate person) performs the act of importation into the
| United States, and that person is charged an amount which they
| need to pay before they're allowed to take their goods from the
| warehouse. In this case Nintendo is that person, and both they
| and the government presumably have records of what they paid.
|
| Whether some downstream consumer of those imported goods paid a
| price that would have been lower if not for the tariff is a
| commercial question between them and whoever they paid. Maybe
| they would have, maybe they wouldn't have. There isn't any
| objective way to calculate what the price of suchandsuch
| Nintendo product would have been in the counterfactual.
| skybrian wrote:
| The company that paid the tax gets their money back. Whether
| they decide to make any refunds to their customers is up to
| them. A few companies have said they would.
|
| This is no different from any other cost. Their cost of goods
| is lower in retrospect than they thought it was, so it will
| show up as a gain on their income statement.
|
| What's the economic effect, though? One way to model a tariff
| that's later refunded is that it's sort of like if a cartel
| colluded to temporarily keep prices higher. Competition between
| firms often keeps prices close to costs, but this wouldn't be
| true for a monopoly or a cartel.
| DSMan195276 wrote:
| In this case because Nintendo has an American branch (Nintendo
| of America) that imports their goods, Nintendo of America is
| who paid the tariffs and would get a refund. Consumers only
| paid indirectly via potential price increases, so no they don't
| get any potential money back.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| article link: https://aftermath.site/nintendo-tariffs-sue/
| computer23 wrote:
| Please stop using Scribd, which paywalls public documents.
|
| Here's the Courtlistener docket:
| https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72373888/nintendo-of-am...
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