[HN Gopher] Welcome (back) to Macintosh
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Welcome (back) to Macintosh
Author : Udo_Schmitz
Score : 142 points
Date : 2026-03-02 21:09 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| giobox wrote:
| I genuinely view Time Machine as abandonware at this stage, Apple
| haven't really invested in it for many years and I would
| recommend a lot of other third party backup solutions first.
| dewey wrote:
| It's really sad. When this was introduced (With Lion I
| believe?) it was such a cool feature to demo to people that
| didn't have much exposure to Macs yet at that time. Just
| deleting and restoring a file on the Desktop with the "Space
| UI" and backups just being there and working without buying
| complicated backup software was a genuine peak macOS moment.
|
| Now I'm barely using it as every few months I'm prompted to
| just delete the backup and start fresh because something
| corrupted.
| skibble wrote:
| I have set up Time Machine backups for literally hundreds, if
| not thousands of people in a support role over many years and
| have hardly ever witnessed this happening. It's one thing to
| say you may have had to do this once or twice in a decade or
| the like, but every few months is ridiculous and speaks to
| some other underlying issue with your setup, like a quietly
| failing drive or bad cable, etc.
|
| I'm not one of these 'it hasn't happened to me, ergo it's
| impossible people'. I completely think that many of the
| design elements of Tahoe are a horrendous regression versus
| even Sequoia, but I think asserting that Time Machine is
| completely broken in the shipping version of macOS is a bold
| statement that deserves a bit of pushback, even among the
| fire raging in a lot of other places in macOS!
| dewey wrote:
| This is a very common error case, more common with storing
| the backup on a network share (Wifi / Ethernet doesn't
| matter). If you look for "Time Machine must erase your
| existing backup history and start a new backup to correct
| this." you'll find a lot of references for this problem.
|
| To be clear, I'm not saying it's Tahoe related, it has been
| there for many years.
| hedgehog wrote:
| Leopard, which means I've been using it for almost 20 years.
| The first ten were pretty good.
| DrawTR wrote:
| Every time I see a comment on the state of Tahoe I look wearily
| at my current install of Sequoia. I'll have to update at some
| point. But I'll hold out as long as I can...
| RowanH wrote:
| They've done something with the printer system in Tahoe.
| Brother removed support for native drivers on certain label
| printers on Tahoe (!!!) when you go searching you find other
| printer issues.
|
| Like, why. Why would you need to change the printer system? It
| works.. has worked for a very long time, there's no reasonable
| need to change it.
| memco wrote:
| Oh man! I came here to complain about printing! I just
| discovered yesterday that you can no longer drag and drop
| print jobs from one printer to another. Apparently you can
| move a print job via some command line stuff but it just
| ended up deleting the jobs entirely. The only reasons I found
| this out is because the printer which had been working fine
| moments before just stopped working after replacing toner. No
| amount of deleting and re-padding the printer or power
| cycling either machine fixed it. One time the whole OS just
| froze and I had to force reboot. I spent a good chunk of the
| afternoon trying to get one 3 page document to print. To be
| fair, I haven't had problems with this setup for 10+ years
| but when it went south it also went to the remote frigid
| corners of Antarctica.
| cosmic_cheese wrote:
| This might've been a side effect of removing support for
| third-party kernel extensions rather than something changing
| with the printer system specifically.
|
| I have an old (~10 years old) printer that Cannon stopped
| supplying updated macOS drivers for several years ago. The
| installer for the drivers failed so I had to extract the
| files from the package and install them manually. In the end
| only the network drivers work, the USB drivers are kexts
| which won't run.
| rcarmo wrote:
| They overhauled CUPS and replaced chunks of it.
| egwor wrote:
| I did it today. It took me thirty minutes to fix the networking
| because I couldn't get Little Snitch to uninstall since it
| didn't seem to be compatible. Basically I had to reboot in
| recovery mode to disable security features (csr) to uninstall
| Little Snitch (via systemextensionsctl). This is the worst
| update I've ever gone through on Mac, and I started using a
| Macintosh SE.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| It's a bit unfair to complain about your OS being broken by
| incompatible software that modifies the kernel.
| egwor wrote:
| It is a commonly used extension, which was restricted so
| that I could no longe remove it. What's more odd is that
| supposedly I was running the latest version.
| dubya wrote:
| In the past, MacOS has automatically made a folder of
| incompatible software that it leaves on the desktop. Little
| Snitch seems like something that could have been tested.
| badgersnake wrote:
| Complaining about Finder being awful like it's 1998.
|
| Yes, 28 years later and it's still awful.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| I've been running Tahoe since 26.2, after cowardly skipping 0 and
| 1.
|
| And... it's fine? Am I only using the happy path? Or are people
| just particularly confident about complaining about Tahoe after
| seeing everyone else do it.
|
| For sure it has glitches, but as far as I can tell, they're the
| same glitches that were in Sequoia. (If anyone at Apple is
| reading this, can you take a glance at your NFS client code? It
| does like to just hang up occasionally.)
|
| The only major complaint I have is the window resize target,
| which seems not to line up properly with the actual window
| corner, since they gave them Very Rounded Corners.
|
| It's also a bit weird that the radius of the VRCs seems to change
| app to app.
|
| But these are nits. I work on Tahoe every day and it seems fine.
| nl wrote:
| Yes I agree.
|
| I have an M1 Max like the author of this piece and recently
| upgraded. It's fine.
|
| I don't like the look of it much and the drag targets are
| annoying but other than that it's been completely normal.
| card_zero wrote:
| So are you saying the long list of bugs don't actually
| happen?
| thewebguyd wrote:
| I haven't ran into nearly as many bugs as I've seen from
| others, but there is definitely a performance hit for me. The
| UI in general feels sluggish compared to sequoia.
|
| I have two M4 Pro's w/ 24GB of RAM (one work, one personal).
| Work is on Tahoe, personal on sequoia and there's a really
| noticeable difference in overall UI responsiveness. It becomes
| even more pronounced when I hook up to my external display (32"
| 4k).
|
| In a way it reminds me of the olden days of running KDE or
| Compiz with every fancy effect enabled but on an underpowered
| GPU. Yeah, it technically works, but it's not necessarily a
| fluid or enjoyable experience.
|
| I have my own other nitpicks about liquid glass & the design
| (there's tons of papercuts here), but that doesn't necessarily
| impact stability.
| kevinskii wrote:
| I have a dirty confession to make too: I've been running Tahoe
| _and_ Windows 11 on my devices, and both are working fine for
| the most part. If I ever switch to Linux desktop, it will be
| mostly out of boredom.
| lateforwork wrote:
| > _And... it 's fine? Am I only using the happy path? Or are
| people just particularly confident about complaining about
| Tahoe after seeing everyone else do it._
|
| That's like asking whether Jackson Pollock or Thomas Kinkade is
| the better artist. There is no objective measure for it. Some
| people will have a strong preference, others won't have a
| preference at all. The designers who made the changes in Tahoe
| clearly thought the changes are improvements. A lot of macOS
| users disagree, but some macOS users don't have a preference.
| zitterbewegung wrote:
| I've only seen a performance hit in rendering all of the icons
| they have put throuhgout Tahoe and I have had dark mode on. My
| total experience is about the same and I do like I can color
| and change the icons easily like classic macOS. I do see the
| liquid glass changes as a bit weird and inconsistent and while
| that can be reverted I just got used to it.
| temp0826 wrote:
| I'm usually in linux on my (2019?) mbp but have had to use
| macos for some stuff lately (so I'm not exactly tuned in to it
| and using it hard all day), but I don't see what the problem is
| tbh and haven't run into anything slowing me down or inducing
| the rage that I read here.
| codebje wrote:
| This is normal. Don't engage in the rage.
| darreninthenet wrote:
| No issues here either
| MoonWalk wrote:
| There are lots of other regressive, mind-bogglingly inept
| changes scattered across the included applications.
|
| One of my favorites is in Apple Music, where the transport
| controls and song-title display has been moved from the top of
| the window down into the content-browser or song-list area...
| where it's "transparent" and overlaid on other text or album
| art.
|
| In Mail, the "get new mail" button has been REMOVED from the
| toolbar. WTF? WHY? So when you're awaiting the ever-more-
| widespread 2FA from something you just logged into, you get to
| dig through a menu to hurry up retrieval or re-add the button
| to the toolbar (which casual users are not going to know how to
| do).
|
| The utter stupidity of these flailing, desperate changes should
| concern every computer user. Microsoft is lost, and Windows a
| clinic on dereliction, design incompetence, and hostility
| toward users. That leaves Mac OS as the only tolerable consumer
| computing platform... and it has taken a profound turn for the
| worse with Tahoe.
|
| For nothing. Apple's blunders here don't make sense from any
| perspective.
| ordinaryradical wrote:
| This is going to be remembered as a comical fumble, in my view.
|
| I was fully locked-in to the ecosystem, the phone, the services,
| the TV, and I am _looking for the exits._
|
| I'm starting to parallelize to software which will play well on
| Linux, and when I'm feeling ready (or miserable enough) I will
| not be looking back.
|
| The macOS exodus will be like Hemingway's line about bankruptcy:
| very slowly and then all at once.
| nsbk wrote:
| I'm right where you are. Very happy Apple customer since my
| first PowerBook G4. Currently have an M1 Max, an iPhone 17 Pro,
| the iPad Pro, HomePod, Apple TV, and Watch Ultra.
|
| All the _just works_ feeling and reliability seem to be gone.
| Tahoe is so unstable that I now restart the Mac every day, when
| in the past it happened on software updates only. Apple Music
| is another huge mess, I can't comprehend how can it be so
| unreliable.
|
| Looking for exits as well and kind of looking forward to
| migrating to Graphene OS, self-hosted Immich, and Navidrome
| samdixon wrote:
| When even my "boomer" aged and non-tech savvy dad who has
| always used an iPhone notices the update is bad, I think you
| are in at least a little bit of trouble if you don't quickly
| course correct.
| rafaelmn wrote:
| I'm sorry but if your out is linux and windows because you're
| not happy how stuff doesn't "just work" in the Apple
| ecosystem boy are you in for a bad surprise.
|
| However bad you think Apple is getting with MacOS - windows
| is getting worse. And Linux ? Good luck getting decent
| hardware that will run without having basic functionality
| issues. Queue the linux brigade "my PC works perfect, what
| linux issues are you having". Meanwhile I can't use bluetooth
| on my desktop (works perfectly fine on windows), and I was
| watching laptop reviews from justjosh recently where he's
| adding a segment where he is trying out linux on the device -
| and his experience on the two videos I've seen "sound does't
| work, wifi doesn't work, BT doesn't work ..."
|
| All that said I am looking into leaving the Apple ecosystem
| as well because I just don't like how locked down and the
| devices are, but I'm fully aware that it's going to take
| significant effort for stuff that I'd get out of the box from
| Apple.
| observationist wrote:
| It is the year of the Linux desktop.
|
| ElementaryOS is supposed to be a very clean transition
| environment for mac refugees. AI makes everything so much
| easier, Windows and Mac both have far more friction and hassle
| in contrast. Good luck!
| karel-3d wrote:
| I don't have anywhere to escape. With iOS I have at least a
| chance with Android (even when I am locked in due to Find My,
| which is still the one thing that works great and keeps me at
| Apple).
|
| When someone (Google?) finds me a way to seamlessly find/lock
| my phone from my computer, my computer from phone, and they all
| find my wife phone and computer, and they all find my keys and
| my wife keys... that will be the day I escape.
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| TBH I plan downgrade i.e. recovery. I wanted Tahoe because
| apparently it contains Rosetta with x86-64-v3 support but more I
| need it in my work, so home computer will be reinstated.
|
| Btw isn't Rosetta going to be left but only for gaming and
| containerisation?
| bluedino wrote:
| Each version has had its share of quirks.
|
| Other than the dumbing down of the UI and that kind of stuff,
| Tahoe seems to run fine. Safari seems to have more bugs than
| usual, though.
| michaelbuckbee wrote:
| Tahoe introduced some changes to the windowing code that badly
| disrupted my DisplayPort device that was rock solid on Sequoia. I
| ended up switching to a new device as a workaround. Window memory
| use (I have a lot of virtual desktops and extra screens) is much
| higher and there's a peristent bug where taking a screenshot with
| CleanShot somehow resets the DisplayPort driver and everything
| flips out for a minute and it has to rediscover the external
| monitors. Infuriating.
| recursivedoubts wrote:
| "Tog... Now, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... A
| long time."
| whalesalad wrote:
| The first 6 paragraphs of this post start like this:
| For at least 10 years ... For several years, ...
| For a few months... For several years, ... For a
| year or so, ... For several years, ...
| freetonik wrote:
| Correct.
| simmerup wrote:
| I think the repetition is the point
| harikb wrote:
| Apart from the mess it caused for iPhone and Mac, my watch
| upgraded last night to 26 flavor. I am not kidding - I can't see
| anything on the screen now before coffee. Watch has become
| completely useless for my early morning eyes.
|
| What they did to Watch is much worse than what they did to iPhone
| and Mac
| JackuB wrote:
| I'm in a camp where Tahoe is just ugly, but worked fine on my mac
| and with my usage and devices. On the other hand, iOS 26 is so
| incredibly bad. Anything from anti-user choices, UI glitches, to
| keyboard... it's tiring. It might be the one where I'm pushed to
| a different OS for the first time. I doubt Apple can fix itself
| in the near future, with the leadership they have.
| projektfu wrote:
| I was a big Mac user. I had a IIcx and an LC, and I evangelized
| it even when apple stock was $0.95 and the wolves were at the
| door. I couldn't afford a PowerMac at the time, but I generally
| used them at the university when I could. I had a desk lamp iMac,
| then bought the first big screen iMac, which lasted me quite a
| while. I really liked everything up to Snow Leopard, probably a
| little beyond that, too.
|
| But in a long time I haven't really enjoyed using the mac and I
| use other systems instead. They got rid of subpixel rendering and
| now text is blurry on my monitors. The interactions are much more
| of a chore. Features were removed from Preview and other apps
| that were better before. I quit using XCode for a few years and
| couldn't recognize it when I came back. So I use it maybe every
| 3-4 weeks now. I have no interest in buying another one.
|
| I just don't know why they seem to be going out of their way to
| make the system unfriendly to existing users.
| freetonik wrote:
| Better Display is the app that can help with non-5K monitors. I
| cannot imagine using macOS without it.
| freetonik wrote:
| My partner's iMac recently died (seemingly the Radeon graphics
| card had failed, which is not uncommon on 2017 model). It was
| frustrating to find out that Time Machine was not operational for
| 8 last months. It was always connected. There were zero
| indications of any issues. It just stopped backing up at some
| point. The disk had enough space.
|
| In the past I had problems with network attached Time Machine
| destinations, but now I have zero trust even in the "native" USB-
| based method.
| hedgehog wrote:
| I don't know what's happened to Time Machine, with the
| capabilities available in APFS etc it should be much better if
| anything. But it's not. Thankfully the failure mode I've
| experienced didn't lead to data loss but I definitely don't
| trust it any more.
| freetonik wrote:
| Luckily I had Backblaze backup set up on our machines. In
| addition, this older iMac can still be booted up in Target
| disk mode, i.e. acting like an external drive. So I could
| salvage all data.
|
| Another funny thing is that Mac's built in diagnostic mode,
| after running for good 20 minutes, proclaimed there were no
| issues with the system. Even though it was clearly failing in
| the graphics department, even when booting into an installer
| usb drive (or even a Linux live mode).
| dgxyz wrote:
| It was always shit. I have seen horror stories going back
| since the day it came out.
|
| Think my favourite was a conceptual flaw. The lightning
| strike. You need a completely offline backup or you don't
| have a backup.
|
| Edit: using ChronoSync and two external (hard) disks, rotated
| once a month off site at the moment. That has a nice fat
| VERIFY button on it.
| this-is-why wrote:
| This is what worries me. I've used Time Machine for almost 20
| years and it has provided seamless transitions to new MacBooks.
| But how do I know if it is currently borked?
| MoonWalk wrote:
| I heard in the past that Time Machine backups would
| inevitably become corrupt because of a fundamental defect.
| Pretty vague, I realize, but I wouldn't have used it anyway;
| I rely on Carbon Copy Cloner to back up only what's
| important.
| wutwutwat wrote:
| test your backups. disaster recovery gamedays shouldn't be
| optional. you can spin up macos vms on your mac (or in qemu
| on linux if you want, or in docker, or rent a mac cloud vm)
| and test the backup restore.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| It is astounding to me how unperformant time machine is. When I
| went from the 2012 mbp to the m3 pro there was zero difference
| in time machine peformance. Still taking half a day for a
| couple gb changes. Moving at orders of magnitude below disk
| read write. Wtf is even happening under the hood of the time
| machine service? Rclone would be like warpspeed in comparison.
| iamdamian wrote:
| This has been the first year in a very long time that I've
| thought about leaving macOS. They seem to have lost the plot on
| software and documentation.
|
| It might be nice for someone to crowd source a reasonable list of
| features they need to improve or document. Could get traction.
| chr15m wrote:
| Time to switch.
| broabprobe wrote:
| it's the year of the Linux desktop, again ;)
| subterrane wrote:
| Tahoe has this really cool clipboard history feature that just
| does not work on my work laptop. Maybe some corporate keep-me-
| safe-ware is preventing it from working but my third-party app,
| Maccy, has no problem at all, so I guess it's just Apple being
| Apple these days.
|
| I also held out for as long as possible using Safari, but I had
| to switch to Firefox. Every once in a while I forget the reason I
| switched and try to switch back and then get reminded. I'm
| currently in a "I can't remember the reason, but I'm too lazy to
| go find out" phase. I'm also one of those weirdos that liked the
| Safari compact tabs and I'm sad they removed it.
| dgxyz wrote:
| Yeah this resonates with me. Every single point.
|
| Every time they fuck something I move the workload over to Linux,
| not out of enthusiasm or any ideological purity but because I
| need to do some damn work. Add in the current geopolitical shit
| show, rising surveillance culture and the constant push for MRR
| and the whole "ecosystem" idea of computing and cloud becomes
| quite distasteful and risky.
|
| A monumental moment recently was Reminders which has a horrible
| bug in it since Tahoe where you are entering several tasks in the
| scheduled view and you hit enter and carry on typing and it
| doesn't register the enter until several keypresses later,
| splitting the last word you typed between two tasks. This is a
| very very minor but utterly annoying thing which has broken my
| workflow. I was so fucked off with this happening every day I
| pulled a sheet of paper out of my printer and just wrote
| everything on that. And I've been doing that for 4 months now.
| Reminders is dead. I forget things like I did before, but I get
| over that.
|
| One day I'll wake up and not use the Mac. The iPad and Apple
| Watch are already gone.
| freetonik wrote:
| > you are entering several tasks in the scheduled view and you
| hit enter and carry on typing and it doesn't register the enter
| until several keypresses later
|
| I have been experiencing this type of bug since forever when
| renaming files. Enter (to switch to renaming mode), start
| typing, first 1-3 letters are missing.
| monster_truck wrote:
| Writing has been on the wall for some time now. It's completely
| unsuitable for serious work, or serious play. I had a massive
| rant written but it isn't worth it. Fuck em
|
| The M2 and M5 minis I have are the nicest drink coasters I've
| ever owned.
|
| I have unresolved radars old enough to drive, go to war, or even
| vote at this point. They used to blame Intel's TB controllers.
| Guess what? They make their own now and the same fucking issues
| persist! Enjoy the kernel panics
| freetonik wrote:
| Coincidentally, I had to leave macOS for a Windows 11 pc about a
| month ago and it's... fine. There are absurd bugs and ux
| decisions, but I honestly think there are different but equally
| bad aspects of macOS. On the other hand, some of the things in
| windows land are just nicer.
|
| For one, my network samba shares stay connected and mounted
| through restarts. I could never make this work reliably on macOS.
|
| File explorer is good. Finder always felt clunky and awkward to
| use. In addition, certain class of software exists for windows
| and not for macOS. Like FilePilot, Anything, MusicBee, Foobar2000
| (Mac version of the latter is not the same as the windows
| version).
|
| The biggest issue so far for me is keyboard shortcuts for text
| editing. Cmd-based movements are great and I have very deep
| muscle memory by now. I could not find a reliable way to recreate
| this on windows (I can make the cursor movement work, but some
| selections don't work the same).
| pembrook wrote:
| > _[on windows 11] my network samba shares stay connected and
| mounted through restarts. I could never make this work reliably
| on macOS._
|
| It's wild to me that Apple has allowed SMB on MacOS to be so
| broken/slow and poorly implemented for so long. It's been this
| way for over a DECADE.
|
| I have friends who work at production studios who complain
| about network storage and MacOS _all the time_ given any modern
| video workflow involves a NAS.
|
| You would think a company that halos creative workers in all
| its ads would care about this. But they happily ignore since
| "SMB that works" is not a feature that will get much mainstream
| attention in a flashy keynote (that nobody watches anymore
| anyways).
| electriclove wrote:
| Apple needs a 50% purge in headcount. Yes, they have so much
| money they don't need to but the organizational bloat there is on
| another level. The issues brought up in the article have been
| going on for decades and the right people are needed to address
| these things.
| rcarmo wrote:
| I have been feeling the same way _for years now_, and am writing
| this on this machine:
| https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2025/11/05/2200 - an Intel
| MacBook Air running Fedora Silverblue.
|
| I have been writing on/about and using Macs for 25 years, have
| had a bunch of semi-catastrophic failures with Tahoe
| (https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2026/02/18/1230) and Time
| Machine (https://taoofmac.com/space/til/2026/02/01/1630), and I
| have also been running Fedora daily for four or five years.
|
| Were it not for Apple Silicon, I would probably be running Linux
| only today. But after Tahoe, I am very, _very_ motivated to
| accelerate my transition. And, ironically, I can make GNOME look
| and feel more like what a Mac should feel like than what Tahoe
| does.
|
| But like I wrote the other day
| (https://taoofmac.com/space/links/2026/02/26/0806):
|
| > The most likely [outcome] is that they will simply carry on
| without acknowledging any of it publicly and discreetly patch the
| most critical issues, because they are still making tons of cash
| on hardware and services and software quality really hasn't been
| a priority in half a decade.
| mrbuttons454 wrote:
| I have been a Mac user since the classic mac days. I waited in
| line for the first iPhone.
|
| macOS/iOS 26 are bad enough that I've begun switching to Linux. I
| preordered a Clicks Communicator and Pebble Round 2. Switching
| from a Macbook Pro M4 to an Asus ROG Flow Z13 with Debian.
|
| macOS 26.3 updated clang and broke my emscripten workflow.
|
| I tried to unrar a file but the version of unrar provided in
| homebrew is deprecated because it's no longer signed/blessed. I
| ended up SFTPing the file to a Linux box, extracting, and
| bringing it back.
|
| My son wanted to try a Java minecraft app on his iPhone, but it
| required insane workarounds to enable JIT to get acceptable
| performance. This isn't a technical limitation, it's put in place
| specifically to protect Apple's walled garden, and their precious
| services revenue.
|
| Despite the thousands of dollars spent on these devices, I don't
| feel like we own them. We can't run code without the platform
| owner's permission. We are at the mercy of the platform owner,
| that has been making increasingly worse decisions.
|
| I'm really enjoying trying the available alternatives. My hope is
| that enough of us get fed up, and develop a thriving ecosystem in
| the open source world. I'll certainly be contributing back the
| things I build.
| ElijahLynn wrote:
| Gonna say that the switch from X11 to Wayland that was pretty
| much forced this year across many distributions, broke a ton of
| things too (screenshot programs, keyboard shortcuts), however,
| all the code is open source, and there are workarounds and
| source code available but it still sucks.
|
| Basic keyboard shortcuts are still broke with the Wayland
| migration. e.g. Copyq has this janky workaround for a shortcut
| to register with the xdg-portal (that works until reboot, then
| stops), Warp terminal claims there is no support, Flameshot was
| impossible to configure, have to use the built in Gnome
| shortcut tool now. The whole ecosystem got wrecked. I have been
| so irritated by this that I've been considering switching TO
| the mac ecosystem, BUT this thread is good on my eyes and makes
| me disinterested now.
| benoau wrote:
| It's been a very frustrating year, I made the mistake of
| upgrading Pop OS 22.04 that I'd been using for years that was
| a rough couple of weeks!
|
| Toshy still works to give me Mac keyboard shortcuts I might
| never let go of, but I still haven't figured out the keyboard
| shortcut to switch between open instances of the same program
| which drives me insane!
| stockresearcher wrote:
| From an outsider just going by what you wrote: you are trading
| a $2000+ year-old computer for a new $2000+ computer because
| you are annoyed about some temporary problems (yes, they are
| temporary).
|
| Apple marketers are just going to think that in another year
| you're going to get annoyed by some Linux thing (yes, there
| will be something annoying) and buy a brand new $2000+ Mac.
|
| These kind of posts get a lot of upvotes, but they do nothing
| to change corporate behavior.
| sivers wrote:
| No, the difference is trajectory and trust.
|
| We all predict the future, consciously or not. We invest our
| time and effort into a system that we think has a good
| future.
|
| Tahoe made me lose trust in Apple's software, and see its
| trajectory as a bad one that I didn't want to invest any more
| time into.
| sivers wrote:
| "I don't feel like we own them." - Well-put!
|
| I was 100% Apple: Mac Mini on the desktop, Macbook Air laptop,
| iPhone, and two iPads.
|
| Then came Tahoe.
|
| I hated it so badly and it wouldn't let me change the things I
| hated.
|
| I noticed a subtle sneer as I worked, having to use this stupid
| computer that wouldn't let me adjust it to my liking anymore.
|
| Then I noticed I wasn't working as much as I used to because I
| just viscerally hated having to work in that Tahoe environment.
|
| At first I did the thing of erasing the entire computer and
| doing a USB install just go back to the previous.
|
| But then like you said: "I don't feel like we own them." I
| didn't trust Apple to not keep making it worse.
|
| So I switched. Got a Linux desktop, and a Framework laptop.
| Sooooo nice!! Snappy-fast Linux just the way I want it.
|
| While I was at it, got my first Android phone and installed
| GrapheneOS on Google Pixel. Sooooo nice! So quiet, doing only
| what I want.
|
| Even got my first Android tablet to replace the iPad. (OnePlus
| Pad 3.) It's great too. I'm loving the whole Android ecosystem,
| when made nerdy like Linux.
|
| So yeah I'm 100% off Apple now and will never go back.
|
| That's how bad Tahoe is.
| jshaqaw wrote:
| Apple hasn't been able to ship software in decades.
|
| They got bored of computing. Writing was on the wall when they
| started producing movies because Hollywood people are cooler than
| nerds and hey why earn a giant cash pile if not for some execs to
| have fun with it.
|
| This is a company which hasn't done anything meaningful to
| innovate since Steve Jobs died.
|
| Yeah I have all Apple gear. It's fine. Whatever. Nicest commodity
| on the block. But they could have done so much more in the last
| 15 years.
| freetonik wrote:
| To be fair, apple silicon is quite an innovation. Or did you
| mean only software?
|
| Perhaps, Rosetta 2 and the hypervisor/container thingy? Those
| are pretty cool.
| benoau wrote:
| > Even ignoring bugs and design changes, in which way does it
| serve users to phase out Rosetta 2, which in a container-heavy
| world is more or less required for developers due to the
| ecosystem of ARM64 Linux containers being nowhere near as
| widespread as for AMD x86-64 ones, and which keeps many
| applications runnable that otherwise wouldn't be?
|
| This is what tells me I'm completely misaligned with Apple's
| vision of the future.
|
| Why would I want an OS that aspires to prevent me from running
| perfectly good software that runs very well??? And at a time when
| even _smartphones_ are starting to run x86 software well!
|
| That's literally the opposite of what I want from a computer. If
| I have to choose between losing Mac software vs losing x86
| software it is much easier to leave Mac software behind.
| freetonik wrote:
| Another issue I wanted to rant about is sleep. My last three
| desktop macs (Mac mini i7, iMac 5k, Mac Studio M2 Max) would with
| 50% probability wake up seconds after clicking "Sleep". I have
| gotten used to having to do a "double sleep" routine.
| sylens wrote:
| Part of my focus to begin this year has been identifying cross
| platform replacements for any Apple native apps I still use, with
| a preference for open source and self hosted (where possible).
| The one I can't seem to fully kick is Apple Reminders, but I've
| been able to replace pretty much everything else.
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