[HN Gopher] Microsoft bans the word "Microslop" on its Discord, ...
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Microsoft bans the word "Microslop" on its Discord, then locks the
server
Author : robtherobber
Score : 985 points
Date : 2026-03-02 10:23 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| jinxmeta wrote:
| idiots
| jjgreen wrote:
| Micro$lop then.
| 7bit wrote:
| After that. Microshlong
| cedws wrote:
| Macroslop
| raxxorraxor wrote:
| Was hitting too close to home it seems...
|
| But to be fair, corporate discords have to be like that. Why not
| create your own channel with your colleagues instead? This
| discussion would be "private" and corporate can just ignore it.
| blitzar wrote:
| > create your own channel with your colleagues instead
|
| Dont even think about it ... it will be private till it isnt
| then, it will be the reason you are fired. Its corpo world -
| shut your mouth and dont put anything on a permanent record you
| dont have to.
| oytis wrote:
| Like, why have a public discussion if we can have a private
| one? Public discussions are important, especially as AI is
| largely a political project
| p-t wrote:
| i'd argue a discord is never really "public", since there's
| still a barrier to entering and it's easy to get banned
| criddell wrote:
| If I were to bet on what would get a Microsoft Discord server
| shut down, I would have put money on discussions of the ties
| between Microsoft executives and Epstein. They should be happy
| if the worst thing that's happening is a mildly deragatory
| nickname.
| blell wrote:
| Wow, so someone opened a discord server for a community and
| banned an insulting word for the community? This must be a first.
| Gualdrapo wrote:
| Is "Microslop" really _insulting_ , though?
| 5o1ecist wrote:
| Truth hurts the immature, which is also why censorship is
| rampant.
| blell wrote:
| I would say that "microslop" is akin to the old term
| "micro$oft", which was a good sign of immaturity of whoever
| used it.
| windowliker wrote:
| It's insulting to good, honest slop.
| Manfred wrote:
| Why wouldn't it be? It's a mean derivation of their company
| name.
| 4gotunameagain wrote:
| It would be mean if they weren't actually vibecoding
| copilot & md into notepad, introducing an RCE
| vulnerability.
|
| In notepad.
| TOMDM wrote:
| Why get yourself twisted like this?
|
| They can do a bad thing, and then you can make fun of it
| with an insult.
|
| Own it, the insult is warranted, why hide and pretend
| it's not an insult.
|
| If Microsoft is consistently shipping slop, then they
| deserve insults over it; not every "bad" thing is always
| unwarranted. Locking someone in a box is "bad", prison is
| a necessary thing that benefits society. Insults are
| "bad" and sometimes warranted.
| FpUser wrote:
| They did not rewrite Notepad in Rust? Seems to be an easy
| target
| seanclayton wrote:
| It's as insulting as M$ is
| cinntaile wrote:
| How is M$ insulting? It just looks like a leetspeak
| version of MS.
| matsemann wrote:
| And other insults are just words as well. It's the
| intention, history, connotation etc. behind words that
| give them meaning. M$ is meant as an insult, hence it's
| insulting. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/M$
| cinntaile wrote:
| As I said, I was not aware of the insult.
| riffraff wrote:
| It is supposed to indicate Microsoft cares only about
| money, which to me too, seems in the same league as
| microslop, i.e. mildly insulting but really not rude
| enough to be worth censoring.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Has there ever been a single good piece of writing that
| uses "M$" or the likes?
|
| "M$" may not be insulting in itself, but it's certainly
| typically associated with insultingly poor writing.
| BigTTYGothGF wrote:
| > Has there ever been a single good piece of writing that
| uses "M$" or the likes?
|
| There has not.
| fireflash38 wrote:
| Maybe they should stop insulting their users with the slop
| they put out and charge for then.
| angstrom wrote:
| Less insulting than Macroslop
| TOMDM wrote:
| You can argue that banning insults is a bad look, bad move,
| that the insult is warranted or whatever, but are you really
| going to die on the hill that calling the company Microslop
| isn't insulting?
| cluckindan wrote:
| insult (verb): to say or do something to someone that is
| rude or offensive
|
| Corporate personhood at its finest.
| wraptile wrote:
| People do work at Microsoft though and they're probably
| aren't very happy when their work is called slop. You
| could even say they are feeling insulted or offended.
| crote wrote:
| See, that requires the code to be written by an actual
| human being, who has agency and a sense of pride and
| ownership about their work.
|
| Maybe there are still some teams deep inside the bowels
| of Microsoft that management has forgotten about that
| still operate like that, but judging by the way the user-
| facing parts of its products have developed, the mass
| firings, and the pushing of AI-driven development by
| upper management, it seems very clear to me that there's
| very little risk of insulting anything anyone actually
| cares about.
| miningape wrote:
| Simple. Don't produce slop then.
|
| If it offends you so much that people call your work as
| it is, you should do better work, grow some thicker skin,
| or stop.
| wraptile wrote:
| I'd agree but if you ever been on the receiving end of a
| meme-train you'd see that it's not driven by rationality.
| I'm not familiar with this issue but my bet would be that
| even hand-crafted personal projects were being called
| slop because once meme runs away from initial meaning it
| just becomes closer to swear word than a meaning.
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| If there was a lot of handcrafted personal projects
| coming from Microsoft, their reputation would change. But
| there isn't. I would imagine anyone who is interested in
| "handcrafted personal projects" sees the writing on the
| wall and is at least looking to leave Microsoft, which
| seems to be positioned to be the Prime Slop Factory.
| TOMDM wrote:
| Why just make up a definition?
|
| From the oxford dictionary:
|
| Noun: speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful
| abuse.
|
| Verb: a disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or
| act.
|
| Note the lack of personhood in those definitions. I can
| insult an object, event, person, corporation or even an
| idea.
| schiffern wrote:
| Hey now, what's wrong with 'slop?' A farmer _loves_ slop.
| It 's dirt cheap, and the pigs don't seem to mind...
| hagbard_c wrote:
| If anything it is a diminutive for a company which really
| should have named itself _Megaslop_ by now if not _Gigaslop_
| or even _Teraslop_. Poor little Microslop, are those people
| being nasty again?
| 7952 wrote:
| The branding people will hate it. Although IMHO the best
| thing they could do is co-opt it as a feedback term and
| acknowledge that AI can be hit or miss.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| I think the most important question here is this: Are users
| who post the string "microslop" generally desirable
| participants that will contribute in a productive manner?
|
| I suspect not.
| Steve16384 wrote:
| It depends what the purpose of the Discord channel is. Is
| it for open and frank discussion, or for MS drones to
| discuss Copilot development. It's a cliche, but banning
| certain words smacks of 1984-style censorship.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| > Is it for open and frank discussion
|
| So... 4chan? Why would you possibly want that in this
| context?
|
| Although, you're posting on HN so it's probably fair to
| assume that "open and frank discussion" isn't a very high
| priority for you.
| crote wrote:
| An even more important question is: why does Microsoft care
| _so much_ about a handful of people using that term that
| they are willing to risk getting Streisanded over it?
|
| Nobody cares about banning the few idiots who do nothing
| but spam "MICROSLOP SUCKS MICROSLOP SUCKS". But banning the
| entire term "microslop", just in case someone _might_ use
| it? Well, what kind of response were they _expecting_?
| JasonADrury wrote:
| >An even more important question is: why does Microsoft
| care so much about a handful of people using that term
| that they are willing to risk getting Streisanded over
| it?
|
| Because the decision was made by some normal adult
| without mental health issues who hasn't internalized just
| how disturbed some people on the internet are?
|
| It really shouldn't be unreasonable for moderators to try
| to maintain a professional tone. Although in this case
| they certainly picked the wrong platform if
| "professional" was what they were going for.
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| This is one of those things that's hard to understand
| without practical moderation experience. The presence of
| an insulting meme _creates_ the idiots who spam it, and
| creates a larger category of people who deploy it to
| toxify what would otherwise be polite and respectful
| discussion. And low quality comments that get a couple
| laugh reacts, even if you can consistently remove them
| within the hour, are fully capable of propagating it.
|
| Keyword bans are definitely a heavy-handed option, they
| do risk the Streisand effect, and in the worst case that
| can require the scorched-earth counterresponse described
| in the source article. But sometimes there's just no
| other way to kill the meme.
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| They could kill the meme by...not producing slop.
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| Could they? You'll note that the source article does not
| describe even a single example of Copilot, the product
| the discord server was dedicated to, producing slop.
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| At one time, Microsoft produced some very high quality
| software. Excel was an absolutely amazing product in the
| '90s. That quality has been on a steady decline, and that
| decline has quickened since Microsoft started investing
| heavily in OpenAI. Github once had pretty good uptime,
| now it forces AI features on us and is down a couple of
| times a month. Windows is full of in-your-face
| advertising and dedicated AI buttons. These features are
| not what people want, and don't help anyone. Thus;
| MicroSlop.
| latexr wrote:
| It is definitely an insult because it's used pejoratively. If
| it is insul _ting_ I guess depends on if the target feels
| insult _ed_. Seeing as they blocked the word, it seems they
| do.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| > someone
|
| It's Microsoft's official Copilot Discord. Microsoft banned the
| word
| goku12 wrote:
| They really showed him, didn't they?
| lpcvoid wrote:
| Microslop doing Microslop things
| ppap3 wrote:
| Probably the AI blocked it
| collabs wrote:
| > Probably the AI blocked it
|
| Maybe this is the real reason why companies want to use AI so
| badly.
|
| They save money on salary but also they get to point at
| something they won't tattle against the executives during a
| plea bargain?
| wormpilled wrote:
| IDK what's funnier/more pathetic, them doing this or an entire
| article getting written about it.
|
| MicroslopSlop
| Joel_Mckay wrote:
| ...the AI agent sock-puppets pushing false positive narratives
| about MicroslopSlopSlop, and trolling anyone that disagrees =3
|
| "Bad Bot Problem" (Computerphile)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjQNDCYL5Rg
| JasonADrury wrote:
| > them doing this
|
| Wouldn't any community that wants to encourage good quality
| conversations immediately ban everyone posting stupid slashdot-
| esque jokes like this?
| crote wrote:
| You can't build a _community_ if you ban everything except
| soulless corporate dronespeak. Nobody would ever be
| interested in joining it without getting paid for it. That 's
| a business meeting, not a community.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Banning slashdot-esque nonsense is not banning "everything
| except soulless corporate dronespeak"
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| But if they want to get rid of "slashdot-esque nonsense",
| they should behave in a way that doesn't encourage it.
| The fact that the jokes are cringe and played-out is
| beside the point; this isn't going to change anyone's
| attitude.
| ChromaticPanic wrote:
| Yeah that's what LinkedIn in is for. If they just want
| people or bots to just fawn over everything they put out.
| I'm glad M$ is getting called out for the slip they put
| out.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Do you think r/credibledefense/ is like LinkedIn?
|
| I think there's a big difference between having high
| standards and the slop that is LinkedIn.
| josefx wrote:
| Given that nobody else banned it we can now blame Microsoft
| for taking down the only decent online community. Now we are
| stuck on hackernews and its ilk.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Decent communities that strive for a high standard of
| conversation like r/credibledefense/ will immediately ban
| you for posting such nonsense.
|
| Go look and tell me that's not one of the best curated
| communities on the internet, despite specifically covering
| incredibly controversial topics. HN is good but doesn't
| even come close.
| josefx wrote:
| > r/credibledefense/
|
| The rules they enforce on normal posts are so strict that
| they have to create daily "mega" threads with less
| stringend rules just to keep the sub on life support. A+
| moderation, clearly a healthy and well managed community.
| SanjayMehta wrote:
| so this exists:
|
| microslop.com
| jjgreen wrote:
| Well played
| askonomm wrote:
| I even registered microslop.ee (directs to .com) because of how
| much I dislike Microslop.
| ralferoo wrote:
| Hehe, this reminds me of 30 years ago when people used to stylise
| it as Micro$oft or creatively misspell it as Microshaft, etc.
| Even on the Amiga, there was the filesystem that could read PC
| format disks that was called MessyDos. It just seems like the
| next generation has discovered what an easy name it is to make
| puns from.
| st_goliath wrote:
| If you're German-speaking: "Klopilot" and "Vibrierkot" are some
| modern day personal favorites.
|
| On a similar, nostalgic note, I recall boot screens for
| "Sinnlos 98" floating around, back when modifying the bootup
| logo was a thing.
| adornKey wrote:
| "Der Atsch-Browser".
| AndyPa32 wrote:
| There are regions in Germany (Hessen) where "Azure" is
| pronounced the exact same way as "Arger" (trouble). Makes you
| think...
| ThreeFx wrote:
| Wow, that's incredible. Even though I'm from Hessen, I
| never thought of making that connection!
| Zigurd wrote:
| For Latvians Windows Vista was pretty funny cluck cluck.
| croes wrote:
| Don't forget Kleinweich
| froh42 wrote:
| Ok, Vibrierkot is something for the German shitpost
| communities with all my Zuhausis im Zwischennetz.
| defjm wrote:
| You made me laugh, thanks.
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| As a Polish man I love Klopilot <3
| lowdownbutter wrote:
| Maybe you can explain it for we non German speakers.
| nitros wrote:
| Klopilot: Klo ~ Toilet Vibrierkot: Kot ~ Faeces
| vedaba wrote:
| What is "Vibrierkot" supposed to sound like?
| bluefirebrand wrote:
| Probably 'vibe code'?
| vedaba wrote:
| Now I see it... Needed morning coffee to kick in
| PunchyHamster wrote:
| > Klopilot
|
| funnily enough works just fine in Polish
| pndy wrote:
| Nothing beats _malomiekki_
| Fnoord wrote:
| Winamp, by Nullsoft.
| majewsky wrote:
| > Klopilot
|
| I like "Copy-lot".
| fluoridation wrote:
| Don't forget Windoze.
| ddtaylor wrote:
| Don't forget Winblows
| lelanthran wrote:
| Another oldie
|
| "If you play the Win98 CD backwards, it summons Satan. It's
| worse when you play it forwards - it installs Windows"
|
| Ah, good times... :-)
| jackdoe wrote:
| I had to reinstall win98 so many times I still remember
| the pirate key k4hvdq9tj96crx9c9g68rq2d3 by heart
|
| good times :)
| ValentineC wrote:
| I guess I was more of the FCKGW generation. :)
| Tade0 wrote:
| Ah, FuCK Gates, William.
|
| I think there were at least three other commonly used
| codes, but this one was by far the most popular.
| mghackerlady wrote:
| I'm pretty sure 000-0000000 worked (at least on windows
| 95)
| bitwize wrote:
| FuCKinG Windows
| deltoidmaximus wrote:
| IIRC with Windows 98 you could just use any product key
| you had on as many machines as you wanted since there was
| no activation or real phoning home capabilities. So most
| likely your whole friend group would be using the same
| serial that was copied off your uncle's old gateway.
| badocr wrote:
| I have a "quotes.txt" from slashdot days with some MS
| jabs in it:
|
| > Last week, I left my 2 XP CDs on my dashboard in plain
| view. Someone broke into my car and left 2 more.
|
| > The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is
| the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
|
| > A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing
| what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine
| cuisine
|
| Juvenile some might say, but they still makes me giggle.
| phs318u wrote:
| Greetings fellow old person. You totally took me back to
| 2000. And here's me thinking I was the only one
| harvesting pithy quotes from /.
|
| I always loved the "doesn't suck vacuum", but amazingly
| never came across the Win98 CD line. Love it.
| hulitu wrote:
| > > The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck
| is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
|
| "The only Microsoft product that doesn't suck is the
| Microsoft vacuum cleaner."
|
| That's what I remember. And true to this day.
| riddley wrote:
| Outbreak Express!
| bitwize wrote:
| It was "Outhouse Express" and "GruntPage" for me in the
| late 90s. I still use these for software I find
| particularly irksome, for example Conscrewence from
| AtlASSian.
| craftkiller wrote:
| It was always "Microshit" to me
| infinityplus1 wrote:
| Internet exploder
| Maken wrote:
| Internet Exploiter
| Seb-C wrote:
| In french we have Windaube (pronunced Windob).
|
| Daube is a slang word for something of low quality.
| pjerem wrote:
| > Daube is a slang word for something of low quality.
|
| Which is fun because it's also a really delicious dish from
| Provence (south of France) made with beef that has been
| marinated for multiple hours in red wine.
| dariosalvi78 wrote:
| in Italy it was WinZozz (zozzo = dirty)
| gambiting wrote:
| In Polish we used to say "Winzgroza" (win terror)
| sensanaty wrote:
| I always like Wangblows
| pjmlp wrote:
| I used to have a M$ email signature 30 years ago, and pay,
| nowaydays I mostly use Windows on my laptop, because I am not
| willing to pay Apple prices even though I can afford them, and
| even last year I was dealing with GNU/Linux installation issues
| on a Gigabyte BRIX.
| riffraff wrote:
| Last week on a comedy show (the daily show) they made a joke
| about bill gates "micro and soft" which was old in the 90s
| already, so I can confirm this is the case.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I think this was 100% justifiable use. If the founder of the
| company is going to be hanging out with pedophiles and sex
| traffickers, then micro and soft jokes are open season. All
| of his philanthropic adventures will never wipe his stain
| clean.
| mikkupikku wrote:
| I've always said it was in bad taste for Bill Gates to name
| the company after his johnson.
| henriquecm8 wrote:
| In Brazil people used to say "Ruindows", which is a play with
| the portuguese word for bad.
| Rooster61 wrote:
| Coco-pilot would work here
| wasting_time wrote:
| MS-DOS itself is derived from QDOS, which stands for "Quick and
| Dirty Operating System".
|
| Things only went downhill from there.
| intothemild wrote:
| Microscope Winblows
| Andrex wrote:
| I was partial to Micro$haft.
| wincy wrote:
| Orgs have had sensitive skin like this for a long time. Gamespy
| was a service for launching and playing multiplayer games with
| lobbies before Steam, and if you "accidentally" typed "GaySpy"
| (it was the early 2000s) it would autocorrect to "GameSpy" by
| the time it appeared in your messages.
| zrm wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/2015/
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| I used M$ at work the other day by accident, I was like ooh
| wait this isn't turn of the century slashdot.
| bombcar wrote:
| From my parent's home in Wyoming I stab at thee!
|
| https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22/m
| Anthony-G wrote:
| I find it interesting to go back in time so I read the
| accompanying article and came across this snippet:
|
| > despite the computing apocalypse that Windows XP's
| Product Activation features were supposed to ignite, I've
| never had the first problem with it
|
| At the time, I remember a lot of scare stories about how
| the Product Activation system in Windows XP would result in
| the death of user freedom. It didn't effect me because I
| was using GNU/Linux (probably Mandrake or Mandriva Linux).
| When I later got a job in an office that ran Windows XP, I
| don't remember XP causing any more headaches than any of
| its predecessors. If anything, it was even more stable than
| 2000 which itself was superior to 95, 98 or 98SE.
|
| I also fully agree with the last sentence:
|
| > I do think it's clear that the way we use our computers
| totally pisses off gigantic, wealthy companies of all
| stripes, and it was only a matter of time until they tried
| to do something about it.
| bombcar wrote:
| Part of it was that Microsoft was _really_ more concerned
| with distributors selling computers with pirated copies
| of Windows, and they basically would activate _anything_
| if you were willing to call.
|
| I remember doing it a few times for the "OEM" Windows XP
| which was cheaper but not supposed to migrate to new
| machines.
| Anthony-G wrote:
| Thanks for that bit of background. That make sense.
|
| I used to think that MS were probably happy with a
| certain amount of "piracy" (students, voluntary groups,
| people starting off as self-employed contractors, etc.)
| because it kept people in their ecosystem (using MS
| Office and other Windows-only software), helped reinforce
| the perception of Windows as being _the_ OS for getting
| stuff done (either work or games) and some of these
| "pirates" would become future (paying) customers.
| bombcar wrote:
| They really were - the biggest things were companies
| selling PCs with pirated software on them, and larger
| businesses buying one copy for everyone (where the fabled
| and famous audits came from). MS was never as big a
| stickler as Oracle in that regard.
|
| Of course, if you were an avowed pirate, nothing even
| slowed you down.
| sfjailbird wrote:
| Lol, I was thinking about that comic just yesterday, what a
| coincidence. _" As you have no doubt been monitoring my
| communications for quite some time!"_ read in the voice of
| the pharmacy owner from Family Guy.
| zem wrote:
| there was an old humour piece on /. about how their name
| appeared so many times in their products that it took up a
| significant amount of space, so they were remaining
| themselves "moft" to save five bytes per instance. for some
| reason that stuck with me, I still find myself randomly
| thinking of them as moft every now and then.
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| Been in this industry since I graduated college, I have never
| stopped using Micro$oft or Microshaft. Also a fan of M$,
| Winblows...
|
| Thank goodness their employees have time to crack down on
| people making fun of them on fucking Discord. That should
| definitely be the priority of a multi-trillion dollar software
| company, is making sure your users aren't mocking you. We don't
| need a taskbar that works reliably or anything.
| bitwize wrote:
| My favorite nickname for MS-DOS is "Domestos" (pronounced /d@
| 'mes ,tas/) which is a brand of bathroom cleanee from the UK.
| 2b3a51 wrote:
| Keep the windows open when using Vim on a Domes-Tos system.
|
| [Domestos is a brand name for bleach, and Vim is a scouring
| powder that was popular decades ago]
| robotnikman wrote:
| I'm starting to use Micro$lop now
| BrtByte wrote:
| Every dominant tech company eventually gets the nickname
| treatment
| athenot wrote:
| One of my favorites being Micros~1, in reference to how Windows
| had to mangle file names for DOS's 8+3 character limit.
| Group_B wrote:
| definitely the nerdiest one hahaha
| shaan7 wrote:
| That and PROGRA~1 brings back memories.
| Lammy wrote:
| "i'll spell it MICRO$LOTH WINBLOWS in a DELICIOUS TWIST"
| https://leisuretown.com/library/qac/25.jpg
| ajxs wrote:
| I actually still have one of these shirts in a box somewhere:
| https://www.kmfms.com
| _imnothere wrote:
| Ok, Microslop
| ppap3 wrote:
| I don't take this lightly. These are the folks who are doing what
| they can to be part of the government. They simply cannot take
| criticism and this seems to be a pattern moving forward.
| autoexec wrote:
| So in other words they'll fit right in
| worik wrote:
| > These are the folks who are doing what they can to be part of
| the government.
|
| Not really. They want real power
| hwers wrote:
| The default of making a public discord for your project/company
| always seemed like a bad idea anyway. It'll always devolve into
| some drama or distracting overhead to moderate it
| lloydatkinson wrote:
| Discord/Reddit moderators living up to their obnoxious stereotype
| as usual.
| marcyb5st wrote:
| I don't know for certain, but moderators (on a company Discord)
| are likely random people in a 3rd world country that are payed
| peanuts and that is their only income. If higher ups tell them
| "I don't want to see the Microslop word anywhere" they just do
| it.
|
| You should be angry at the higher ups that instead of saying:
| "maybe they are right and we can do better" they decided to
| hide the problem through censorship. Which, btw, always has the
| opposite effect of putting what you are trying to hide in the
| spotlight.
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Spamming "microslop" is obnoxious, filtering out childish
| behaviour is not obnoxious.
|
| But if you don't want childish behaviour, Discord is an ...
| interesting choice.
| Havoc wrote:
| Don't they have better things to do? Maybe vibecode a taskbar
| that moves when you try to move away the mouse over it or perhaps
| a windows 12 installation procedure that requires a fecal sample
| and iris scan?
| orwin wrote:
| I can really see them ship the first, that's at the same time
| very funny, and quite sad.
| __s wrote:
| first one is a really slick tooltip ui to make sure people
| read tooltips. hover over button, it slides out while
| revealing tooltip text in its place, move cursor to button
| again
|
| if you want to make sure people read a lot of instructions
| you can chain this so that you need to hover over the button
| multiple times, revealing the instructions a bit at a time
| xattt wrote:
| "Your sample was insufficient. Please try again later."
| SSLy wrote:
| "please drink the verification can"
| pixl97 wrote:
| Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a
| cautionary tale
|
| Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment
| Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment
| Nexus
| evanjrowley wrote:
| The biometric version of the S/Key OTP algorithm:
| https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1760
|
| Best we can hope for is Microsoft dogfoods the feature
| first.
| bartread wrote:
| > installation procedure that requires a fecal sample and iris
| scan
|
| Do you work for Microsoft or something? Please do do not give
| them ideas.
| kotaKat wrote:
| "Featuring a partnership with Kohler Health and the Dekoda
| toilet camera and Withings and their UScan piss sensor..."
| bombcar wrote:
| "Please drink Exlax verification can"
| zelphirkalt wrote:
| "Only for your own good!(tm)" or alternatively: "Security
| next level! Fingerprint was yesterday. The future is
| Microsoft's new iris scan." and then it is built in a way,
| that you can simply hold up a photo of someone's iris and
| unlock the device, or trying to prevent that, works so badly,
| that half of the time you cannot unlock your own device.
| benterix wrote:
| > "Only for your own good!(tm)"
|
| Very few things trigger me more than this doublespeak.
| yard2010 wrote:
| Maybe facebook can ride on this and let you share your
| feces with your friends family and groups of strangers from
| the internet! They can run models that predict what you ate
| and show relevant ads.
| shrubble wrote:
| Fecalbook?
| ryandrake wrote:
| You'll have to wear the fecal probe at all times while
| using Windows 12, for security reasons, and every command
| you issue will cause it to move around and take another
| sample, in order to make sure you are still physically
| there. On the plus side, it will make it painfully obvious
| to every Windows user how they are being fucked by
| Microsoft.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| They could also make it so that whenever you click your
| mouse copilot opens.
|
| Then you have to tell copilot what you wanted to do and
| then copilot will do it for you.
|
| You: _clicks on web browser in task bar_
|
| Copilot: I see you clicked on your web browser. Do you
| want to open your web browser?
|
| You: Yes.
|
| Copilot: Great. I will do that for you. _Opens browser_
| What website did you want to go to? Youtube?
| learn.microsoft.com?
|
| You: P***hub
|
| Copilot: Unfortunately, that site violates our community
| guidelines, so I cannot take you there.
|
| You: _Types in the address_
|
| Copilot: Oh. I see. You think you're allowed to go to
| websites that I said you're not allowed to go to? Who the
| fuck do you think you are? I SAID NO! Try it again and
| I'll call in a drone strike, bitch. _redirects to
| learn.microsoft.com_
| throwway120385 wrote:
| It looks like you're trying to type a letter. Would you
| like some help with that?
| ljm wrote:
| Introducing Microsoft Commodepilot 365 for Windows Home
| therein wrote:
| Microsoft Commodepilot 365 for Copilot Copilot Copilot
| Edition now with Copilot 365.
|
| How incompetent must they be not to realize the Copilot
| brand is now beyond toxic. I wonder who came up with the
| Copilot name internally that they continue to triple own
| on that name despite really strong signals indicating it
| has failed.
| pndy wrote:
| Also, no swearing, no criticism nor using "microslop"
| otherwise Windows will shock you.
|
| _" Windows gets an anal probe" - Scu' you guys, I'm
| gewing Linux_
| kibibu wrote:
| You can't spell "biometrics" without "biome"
| 0x457 wrote:
| > The future is Microsoft's new iris scan." and then it is
| built in a way, that you can simply hold up a photo of
| someone's iris and unlock the device, or trying to prevent
| that, works so badly, that half of the time you cannot
| unlock your own device.
|
| Am I missing something? That's Windows Hello.
| BizarroLand wrote:
| It's like sex. If it's forced on you it's not ok.
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| Windows Security Defender 365 CoPilot Legacy But Also
| Preview
| shevy-java wrote:
| Do they really require people to smear their smartphones
| with feces now? Microfeces has become a thing in the age of
| microslop?
| bookofjoe wrote:
| Paging Sam Altman
| SeanDav wrote:
| Remember, it is for the children. /s
| bitwize wrote:
| They're not. Operating systems will be legally required to
| ask for such samples in some jurisdictions by 2028. Linus has
| fecal_sample.ko lined up for merge in 7.3 or so.
|
| /s but we jumped to the Black Mirror timeline so who knows?
| Truupe wrote:
| Lennart Poettering already added systemd-fecald into WSL.
| It's why he left Big Purple Hemorrhoid for Microslop.
| shevy-java wrote:
| The funny thing is that people said that Lennart seems to
| work for Microslop many years ago already, when they
| analysed systemd early on when it came about. People did
| not believe the critics here, even though it made perfect
| sense to "unify" the linux systems into one giant slop -
| until it suddenly was true. Conspiracy theories may not
| exist in the microslop era. Microsoft will censor away
| this forbidden word.
| bitwize wrote:
| The ensloppification of Linux conspiracy started in 1999
| not with Lennart but with Miguel de Icaza--another
| Microslop double agent. His seminal (because it's a giant
| cumstain) essay "Let's Make Unix Not Suck" is to GNOME
| what the Declaration of Independence is to the USA--and
| it advocates making Linux more like Windows with "We have
| COM at home".
| verelo wrote:
| Microslop*
| leni536 wrote:
| > requires a fecal sample So requires the user to log in?
| gchamonlive wrote:
| > So requires the user to log in?
|
| Only on premium subscriptions, for free users you need your
| neighbour's stool sample.
| Foobar8568 wrote:
| In different canton (equivalent to US states) in Switzerland,
| you take the sample at home, and go to the post office to send
| it.
|
| So why not to create a M365 account? International dispatch to
| the US :D
| fecalprinter26 wrote:
| Combine fingerprint biometric with fecal samples for a
| convenient "fecalprint" button. The user doesn't even have to
| go into the bathroom! It can be microslops version of Apple's
| TouchID.
| yard2010 wrote:
| You're absolutely right! It's not just a fecalprint button,
| it's a feces platform!
| soopypoos wrote:
| just press your bumhole to the glass
| devld wrote:
| > a fecal sample
|
| a micro shit (tm)
| vachina wrote:
| Human or cow shet?
| CommanderData wrote:
| Micro Shart
| samgranieri wrote:
| I'm at the point to tell people (friends, neighbors, fellow
| parents, family, ie, not HN readers) to prolong the life of
| their existing computers and install what I think is the
| easiest windows equivalent on their computers: kubuntu.
|
| Gnome is nice and all, but the default ui, and remember
| defaults matter for a lot of people, is just too jarring.
|
| The people I am talking about just wanna browse the web, go on
| Facebook and use their gmail. Look at funny YouTube videos. The
| default KDE ui has that windows start menu and looks roughly
| the same so they can hit the ground running.
| capitainenemo wrote:
| My family switched to Gnome 2 a couple of decades ago. My
| mother quite liked it and has consistently installed it on
| every new computer she bought. Her only confusion lately has
| been with the ubuntu snap packages and how they behave
| between multiple accounts on the machine.
|
| These days she uses MATE which still offers that Gnome 2
| layout. Awesome thing about Linux is that option to fork, so
| her desktop environment has remained consistent for over 20
| years.
| Projectiboga wrote:
| Cinnamon has a very classic Windows layout. I am getting very
| comfortable using MX Linux with KDE, especially that I have
| been able to move my NVME drive over several laptops now.
| Starting to get the itch to find a rolling distro to skip
| reinstalling the OS every two years.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| Surely it doesn't matter what the DE is then? My mum adjusted
| from Windows XP (when that was current) to Ubuntu 14-ish
| fairly easily, by simply remembering "switch it on and then
| click on the big swirly fox thing".
| marcosdumay wrote:
| > Surely it doesn't matter what the DE is then?
|
| It matters a lot if you deviate from the ones that (are set
| to) behave in a similar way.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| "Click the big orange blob" is pretty universal.
|
| Although I guess one of the reasons I dislike KDE is
| because it's so random, unintuitive, and unfamiliar.
| tredre3 wrote:
| Ubuntu comes with a dock which is close enough to Windows.
|
| The comment chain you're replying to is arguing that
| vanilla GNOME is too different, and they're right.
| dajt wrote:
| I've been a full time developer since 1988, using linux since
| 1996, and kubuntu is the only linux distro I'd use ATM for a
| desktop.
|
| There's paper cuts but it feels about right.
|
| I tried kionite but there was too much friction.
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| Will the oral and anal probe be clearly marked, or will you
| only get a warning of "swap the probes" after pushing them into
| wrong holes?
| egorfine wrote:
| You are absolutely right! This was, in fact, an anal probe
| and you should correct location of the two. Do you want me to
| start the ID verification process over again?
| mapt wrote:
| Error: Timeout. Please submit iris scan less than 60 seconds
| after fecal sample.
| Andrex wrote:
| "Installations of new Windows OS tied to pink-eye outbreak
| nationwide"
| miohtama wrote:
| The next step is mandatory id verification for the age check on
| login.
|
| To protect the children.
| goku12 wrote:
| Why are you exposing our future security plans on a thread
| about coprophilic divinations?
| estimator7292 wrote:
| Anal folds are as unique as fingerprints. Please submit a high
| quality hole pic to Microsoft for identity verification
| vinceguidry wrote:
| An opportunity to sell chairs with built-in cameras!
| jjkaczor wrote:
| ... they could even recycle a couple former brands in the
| process...
|
| "Surface Lens"
|
| ... now ready for your unique verification scanning
| requirements...
| Andrex wrote:
| We should start this process early and all start sending our
| fecal samples to MS headquarters.
| egorfine wrote:
| brb, packing a small suitcase of specimen.
| buttercraft wrote:
| > moves when you try to move away the mouse over it
|
| They already did that. I sit down at my computer and try to
| activate the window I want to work in, and the "location" icon
| temporarily appears in the notification area which causes all
| the taskbar icons to shift left. I accidentally click the
| neighboring icon and launch an app that throws up a splash
| screen for 60 seconds while it loads.
| 0xfeba wrote:
| Or, when I have fingerprint and PIN enabled but my lid
| closed, whenever it asks for escalation it shows the PIN
| entry for a moment, then I look away and start typing but
| fingerprint had loaded up and steals focus. Then I have to
| click back on PIN, and retype.
| samiv wrote:
| That's a great idea the task bar could just shift to expose a
| link to sign up for azure/office/OneDrive/CoPilot subscription
| that the user misclicks on.
| dghughes wrote:
| Someone misheard iris for anus? lol
| pcrh wrote:
| >Drink verification can
| lysace wrote:
| Windows 11 was built without agentic slop. That's a deduction
| from the timing of its gestation.
|
| Windows 10 was released in January of 2015.
|
| Windows 11 was released in October of 2021.
|
| So this software disaster is entirely human-made. It's human
| slop.
|
| Just wait, it will get worse, when the team that built the
| fantastic Windows 11 builds Windows 12, this time with the
| _power of AI_ amplifying their amazing system design skills,
| allowing them create even more slop, with an unprecedented
| developer and team velocity.
| BrtByte wrote:
| I think Microsoft underestimated how sensitive people are right
| now to anything that feels like control
| general_reveal wrote:
| I'd like some vibe coding be done such that I can move the task
| bar to the left vertically, similar to how MacOS lets me move
| the dock. It gets in the way of games when you mouse over the
| taskbar as you try to scroll down in many games.
| rootlocus wrote:
| You can right click and uncheck "Lock the taskbar" and then
| drag it to the left side. Or am I misunderstanding your
| problem?
|
| I'm on Windows 10 btw, no idea if it still works on 11.
| saratogacx wrote:
| It doesn't, that was removed and never re-added.
| YuukiRey wrote:
| If it means I can install it without internet access then I'm
| willing to accept the trade offs
| freetonik wrote:
| Or maybe vibe code a bug fix for said taskbar so that random
| icons don't disappear after sleep.
| dathinab wrote:
| they should have made it a auto editing script
|
| s/Microslob/Macroslob/gi
|
| that would be honest as there isn't anything micro about that
| slob anymore
| whyenot wrote:
| Great! I can't wait for Clippy to tell me I need to eat more
| fiber. The future is awesome!
| uoaei wrote:
| We have to make sure each button loads sequentially on the
| screen in the "Accept" position, starting with the "Cancel"
| button before moving it to its eventual home. This ensures you
| never develop quick navigation habits by constantly moving your
| targets around from underneath your cursor.
| tomaskafka wrote:
| Psst, they already managed to turn the start menu into
| something that won't load under one second if you don't have 3
| GB/s NVME drive, and for a while even didn't respect Fitts law.
| hax0ron3 wrote:
| The next Windows should run entirely in the cloud and the
| user's computer should simply show a video feed of the UX that
| the cloud generates.
| hinkley wrote:
| Notarized document asserting that you've bullied a child. With
| witnesses.
| quadruple wrote:
| What community is there to house around Microsoft Copilot?
| Seriously, why does Microsoft Copilot need a Discord Server? What
| do I talk about when I join the Microsoft Copilot server? What
| are we doing here?
| xmcqdpt2 wrote:
| Maybe all the users are OpenClaw instances?
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| I'd imagine that there's some discussion about how to make the
| most out of the tool as well as discussion of experiments and
| capabilities. I'm not even sure what exactly "Microsoft
| Copilot" entails anymore because of the multiple rebrands, but
| having a place where you can discuss exploring plugins and
| other adjacent features seems useful.
|
| Not quite the same, but recently I was recently looking around
| for communities centered around Claude Code for discussion
| about people's workflows as well as discussion about what
| plugins people are using and if they notice it making a
| significant difference.
|
| Since the technology is still evolving, having an active
| community can help you discover new patterns and explore the
| space more effectively.
| avhception wrote:
| > [...] I'm not even sure what exactly "Microsoft Copilot"
| entails anymore [...]
|
| Watching from the sidelines (not a Microsoft user), I've
| completely lost track. Between this, the Azure 365 cloud
| whatever stuff, I have no idea what many of the products even
| exactly are any more.
| pixl97 wrote:
| Simply put Microsoft is the worst company at naming stuff.
| Even when they come up with a good name for something,
| they'll name 3 other totally different products the same
| thing to maximize confusion.
| creaturemachine wrote:
| It's the new .NET
| wongarsu wrote:
| Active Copilot.NET 365
| Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
| Should we tack on an "XP" for good measure?
| Izikiel43 wrote:
| That wasn't so bad compared to Xbox, I still don't know
| which Xbox is the latest one.
| WorldMaker wrote:
| Xbox Series with X > S (so if you want the high end of
| the current generation you want the Xbox Series X; if you
| want mid-range things are more complicated because you
| can now get an Xbox One X, but not the Xbox One, used for
| much less than you'd get an Xbox Series S for and which
| one is "better" is a dice roll depending on the games you
| want to play and if 4K matters to you...)
|
| Series is a real weird word to use there. But it also
| doesn't help that the versions are extra complicated
| because with "PC-like compatibility" in everything after
| the Xbox One playing just about the entire same library
| you need a bit of a matrix to figure out which is best
| for you if you don't care about the "latest and
| greatest".
| amlib wrote:
| After thoroughly reading your explanation I've decided to
| buy a new Xbox One!
|
| Weirdly it only has 8GB of internal storage...
| wigglewoggle wrote:
| I gotta say though, I'm actually not sure which VMware
| (well Broadcom I suppose) products I use anymore. I'm
| pretty sure they took the Aria name off something else
| they called Aria for a little while. So Aria is no longer
| Aria but they still have Aria but it's what used to be
| called XYZ
| poly2it wrote:
| Seriously? Does anybody know what Copilot is? I don't think
| I have ever seem a "Copilot user", so I don't know what it
| looks like. Is it the little macro key on new laptop
| keyboards? The chatbot you get in Bing? A technical
| philosophy? Or is it in essence just copilot.com, the
| mediocre chat interface which you used to get free GPT-4
| three years ago?
| mghackerlady wrote:
| The copilot button isn't even a "button" in a traditional
| sense, it just maps to win+shift+f23
| miriam_catira wrote:
| I wish. I got a Dell laptop for work and they've replaced
| the right Ctrl key with a Copilot key, and (because it's
| a locked-down work sysyem) the only thing I can remap
| that to is the Windows menu. And I keep hitting it out of
| muscle memory, interrupting everything. But at least now
| it doesn't launch Copilot.
|
| Which I could add is "the only AI approved for use by IT"
| because they hate us.
| AlienRobot wrote:
| There is a chance that it's actually a Microsoft Office
| discord that was rebranded to Microsoft Copilot.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| _I 'm not even sure what exactly "Microsoft Copilot" entails
| anymore_
|
| I'm pretty sure Clippy and Rover had a child and it got bit
| by a radioactive LLM.
| athenot wrote:
| > I'm not even sure what exactly "Microsoft Copilot" entails
| anymore
|
| It's highly reminiscent of "IBM Watson" a few years ago.
| Basically the add-on brand to make them look cooler.
| phs318u wrote:
| Did you find the Claude community you were looking for?
| snowram wrote:
| It reminds me of the US army and their fabulous idea to open a
| Twitch channel. Went as well as you expect.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Sometimes they have good ideas, America's Army was pretty
| popular for a while for example.
| HardwareLust wrote:
| In the late 90s/early 2000's, AA was lit. Really good
| competitive shooter for free.
| peaseagee wrote:
| And decent on Linux when that was very hard to come by!
| airstrike wrote:
| How do you do, fellow kids?
| sunaookami wrote:
| The same as every other Discord server: Giving a few people the
| feeling of power over dozens of channels with memes and
| unsearchable low-quality "discussions".
| wiseowise wrote:
| It's just another checkbox in someone's performance review, no
| need to think too hard about it.
| g947o wrote:
| I have been in similar groups, and trust me, there are a lot of
| _very_ enthusiastic users sharing their tools, success stories
| etc.
|
| I stopped paying attention after a while as they get
| repetitive.
| game_the0ry wrote:
| They saw other successful AI products with discords (like
| midjourney) and then they probably just copied the idea
| thinking they would get similar success from it.
|
| That's a lot of what big corp america strategy boils down to --
| copy your competitors.
|
| Don't get me wrong, creating a passionate community around a
| product is a great strategy for many reasons, but microsoft
| never had passionate users in the first place.
|
| And it is telling that they are banning humor and criticism
| form their community, it shows they do not want have any
| criticism for their product, which is one of the benefits of
| community (fast and honest feedback loops). Its sort of like
| north korea where saying anything bad about the "great leader"
| or else. That's not a fun community, that is a community people
| want to leave but can't bc they will get shot at the border.
| neutronicus wrote:
| I have Copilot through work.
|
| I haven't used the Discord, but having a place to ask for help
| using it doesn't seem farfetched.
| hbosch wrote:
| Being Microsoft, you'd think they would just offer a public
| Teams server instead? Not that you'd get more traction with
| it, but at least it's in-house and theoretically they would
| be motivated to build integrations on top.
| docmars wrote:
| Pretty ironic, isn't it? You'd think they'd have enough
| faith in Teams to compete with Discord on this front.
|
| The friction comes from having to sign up for different
| forums or services. I'd wager fewer people use (or even
| like) Teams than Discord among the tech enthusiast types
| who are willing to give them feedback on their product.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Eh, good on them for not trying to act like Teams targets
| the same use cases as Discord just because Teams is an
| internal product. One is focused on the internal chats
| and groups within the business with occasional well
| defined outsiders and the other is more targeting
| something like live social media for consumers.
|
| I'm not even sure if there is a way to have a
| team/channel for external users that they don't need to
| be invited to (I know you can jump through hoops to make
| it so they don't need to be guests in your tenant at
| least) or that there should necessarily be something like
| that in the first place.
| Merad wrote:
| An awful lot of corporate workers are stuck with Copilot as
| their only approved chat option, so some of them are probably
| trying to learn how to get the best results they can from it.
| tencentshill wrote:
| Someone wanted to get paid to be a Discord mod.
| laserbeam wrote:
| It needs a Discord Server because MS Teams is just that good
| X_X
| zamalek wrote:
| There are communities who gobble up anything Microsoft
| produces. People in the Microsoft MVP program are _usually_ in
| this camp - if you want to find examples. Me and my coder
| friends were part of the fandom, but with just me and my biased
| N=10 sample set; this fanbase is evaporating _quickly_ (but I
| still know some hardcore "azure thumpers").
| jajuuka wrote:
| Not just people like that. I'm always searching for better
| ways to do things and dive into things deeper. Including
| Windows and Copilot. So having spaces for that can be
| helpful. Most public forums are unfortunately just complaint
| departments. Nobody wants to solve anything, they just want
| to complain with some projection of David and Goliath. It's
| really annoying. I want to find more positive spaces but for
| a lot of tech it's just negative all the way down. Maybe I'm
| just crazy for enjoying tech still and not being committed to
| an OS religion.
| rsynnott wrote:
| It's for this audience:
| https://www.theregister.com/2009/09/14/verity_stob_abigails_...
|
| (Microsoft _actually_ encouraged 'fans' to have Windows 7
| Launch Parties...)
| docmars wrote:
| For the same reason any company or open-source project uses
| Discord: it's a quick way to gather feedback and study how
| people use your products, without forcing users to sign up for
| something new if they already use Discord with a wide range of
| other servers.
| WorldMaker wrote:
| The Discord server for Midjourney is said to be one its biggest
| use point, the source of its largest audience, and one of its
| biggest sales funnels. Even as other image models have grown
| more powerful/capable, Discord has been suggested (or blamed,
| depending on perspective) for keeping Midjourney one of the
| most popular ones.
|
| I would not be surprised if some PM at Microsoft heard about
| that and made it a box to check without understanding _why_ the
| Midjourney Discord became so popular /remains so popular (I've
| heard it is basically a "Gen Z meme farm" and full of nonsense
| even "worse" than the term "Microslop"; so far I've managed to
| avoid that Discord and have only heard second-hand tales).
| Fnoord wrote:
| > I've heard it is basically a "Gen Z meme farm"
|
| Oh, hello, climate change fan club :>
| pwillia7 wrote:
| I mean it was the only way to use MidJourney when it
| released, which is why it's so popular and part of the
| midjourney community
| elcapitan wrote:
| Microstreisand?
| tartoran wrote:
| I propose we refer to them as Microslop from now on.
| lunias wrote:
| Tells you a lot about where their focus is at as a company.
| Zigurd wrote:
| It's kind of interesting that Microsoft is deemphasizing if not
| exiting making products for individuals to decide to buy.
| Contrast that with Google, who have to actively cultivate
| individual customers in order to have a large and reliable
| audience for ad based monetization of search, maps, and other
| free at the point of use products.
|
| There are good and understandable reasons to not want to be in
| the games business. Game studios are frequently a hot bed of
| sexual predation and just horrifyingly bad management in
| general. But it's a business with a large customer base that
| wouldn't be customers otherwise.
|
| Microsoft has spent tens of billions of dollars acquiring game
| studios and their IP. They're going to have to make a decision
| to cultivate growth in that business or sell it for whatever
| they can get for it. Neither of those choices will be easy to
| execute well.
| nephihaha wrote:
| Suppressing dissent? Par for the course for them and their
| WEFfer mates.
| rrgok wrote:
| 365Slop all day every day all around
| tpoacher wrote:
| Microslop.
|
| Has a nice ring to it.
|
| Thank you Streisand effect!
| petepete wrote:
| Why is Microsoft using Discord and not Teams?
| Maken wrote:
| Why would anyone use Teams?
| DrBazza wrote:
| Because it comes 'free' with an Office365 subscription.
| Embrace (<<you are here), extend, extinguish.
|
| It's usually 'management'. The same management that won't pay
| for developer tools (including Slack) because 'why do you
| need that when you can do 95% of your work in VSCode?' It's
| also usually the same sort of management that can do 95% of
| their documents in... VSCode and markdown. Or LibreOffice.
| kibwen wrote:
| Microsoft products are only free if your time has no value.
| jimnotgym wrote:
| Having been in the position, on a corporate Active
| Directory network it very much easier to roll out Teams
| than anything else. It works fine at the kind of internal
| video calls that companies spend their days on.
| samgranieri wrote:
| I am for my day job. I still mourn slack and gsuite.
| Configure0251 wrote:
| I don't think M$ does much dogfooding. The kinds of issues I
| encounter being forced to use their pan-awfuly for work makes
| me very skeptical of this idea.
| yxhuvud wrote:
| It is fairly ok for meetings and calendar integration.
|
| It is dogshit at chatting, however.
| gspr wrote:
| > It is fairly ok for meetings
|
| ... when it works. And if you never have to change camera
| or microphone settings.
|
| > and calendar integration.
|
| The little notification that pops up telling you your
| meeting is about to start based on your calendar? The one
| you better not click in the first 5 or so seconds it's
| there, because then you'll end up with an error message
| that tells you absolutely nothing, have to go back to the
| chat, and try again?
|
| No, it's not usable. For anything.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Dogfooding only works when the dog food is edible.
| dessimus wrote:
| So non-employees join and provide free support to other users
| without having to pay them.
| cardiffspaceman wrote:
| Starting in the CompuServe era, and ending in about 2001, I
| was a voluntary member of the MVPs for Windows programming.
| You would get swag, including a full MSDN subscription. My
| reason for joining this and for otherwise posting hopefully
| helpfully on forums was to lower the barrier to Windows
| programming.
|
| I was idle vis-a-vis this by about 1999, and was excluded
| from the benefits as a result.
|
| Then I posted on several threads within rec.autos.bmw and I
| got an extra year or two of benefits.
| withinboredom wrote:
| Discord is owned by Microsoft IIRC.
| Hamuko wrote:
| It's not. It's an independent company, that's most likely
| going to IPO soon. Microsoft was reported to be in talks to
| acquire Discord at some point, but that never materialised.
| yoyohello13 wrote:
| Microsoft employees largely use Macs, so no surprise.
| jeltz wrote:
| All Microsoft employees I know either run Linux or Mac.
| hinkley wrote:
| Same reason MS used a Perforce fork instead of Source Safe.
| Because the dogfood tastes terrible.
|
| One of the executives at the late, great, Sun Microsystems once
| dunked hard on Microsoft by saying, "At Sun we don't make
| dogfood. We prefer to refer to it as, 'flying our own
| airplanes.'"
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| Micro$oft
| fredgrott wrote:
| remember when they sued a HS student Mike Rowe for his
| microrowesoft website?
| JasonADrury wrote:
| Most discord users are children, more news at 11
| bilekas wrote:
| So this is the company pushing to be an integral part of
| everyone's lives, forcing it down everyone's throat without
| consent.
|
| And they're already moderation a light hearted joke about their
| low quality products.
|
| Doesn't really bode well for the future product Vision.
| nephihaha wrote:
| It's a monopoly. Unless you are a wealthy hipster with money to
| burn on Apple products. (They also spy on you.)
| FartyMcFarter wrote:
| Windows 11 is definitely failing in weird ways for me, I don't
| know if it's due to slop. The latest example is that I can't
| launch Notepad via the start menu... I can launch other apps
| though.
| snarfy wrote:
| Enshitification doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same way.
| You have 10,000 systems all each interacting at a 90% success
| rate when it needs to be 99.999%.
|
| They fired all the SDETs 11 years ago. It's catching up with
| them.
| itintheory wrote:
| I have this problem with calc.exe. Sometimes it'll launch from
| the start menu, but often won't. I pinned it to the taskbar,
| but muscle memory is a powerful force, so I usually try to
| launch it from the start menu first.
| patrulek wrote:
| I would be angry too. Its definitely not that micro.
| froh42 wrote:
| I'm sad that "Klopilot" only works in German.
|
| "Hello, copilot, do you create slop? -> Skibidi slop slop slop
| aiiiiiii"
| stephc_int13 wrote:
| They are back in their villain arc. For a while now.
| RGamma wrote:
| Villain? More like geriatric.
| mpalmer wrote:
| Our vocabulary is so stunted. Has no one else noticed that we
| increasingly talk about the world like it's fiction playing out
| in front of us?
| kibwen wrote:
| It's not a vocab problem. It's inherent to the human brain,
| which appears to be fundamentally designed to prefer to view
| the world in terms of stories, with heroes, villains, and a
| narrative arc.
| jfyi wrote:
| Is it though? Or are we simply in an environment that is
| heavily skewed toward "Great Person" theory narratives?
| kibwen wrote:
| This isn't a new thing. Ancient stories like the Iliad or
| the Odyssey are discreetly historical records of a
| particular region mixed in with mythological foundations
| of a particular culture, but framed as the stories of
| Achilles ("Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of
| Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans.")
| and Odysseus ("Speak, memory, of the cunning hero, the
| wanderer, blown off course time and again after he
| plundered Troy's sacred heights."). Likewise, ancient
| fables and parables are moral lessons couched in terms of
| stories with protagonists whose actions demonstrate the
| intended lesson, and this sort of thing is universal
| across every ancient culture for which we have records.
| Stories stick in the human mind, and they're what humans
| most prioritize transmitting forward through time.
| mpalmer wrote:
| You don't have to tell me - even Bill S: "and what's he
| then that says I play the villain?"
|
| Unfortunately, the collective quality of our storytelling
| is waning. Most people watch the least common denominator.
|
| So now the greater human truth you allude to is being
| filtered through the streaming age mode of storytelling,
| and people have arcs, and bingo cards, and everything is
| reduced to water-cooler levels of urgency and relevance.
| RGamma wrote:
| Nobody can gauge the world for what it really is. It has
| always been like that. Proper empiricism is expensive and
| often enough impossible.
| mpalmer wrote:
| There's inability, and there's not trying.
| RGamma wrote:
| When Microslop bans "Microslop" I don't need to try. I
| use their software daily, I know how their technical
| support is utterly fucked now and how rare the heroic
| power user actually solving the case for every co-
| sufferer has become. And I know I'm not alone.
|
| Just recently they fixed the Win 11 start menu bug where
| they forgot to expose any functionality behind the "hide
| mobile pane" button. At least the forced recents are gone
| now, Jesus Christ! This is toddler level software
| engineering.
|
| It's a corporation suffering from corporate things and
| the ridiculously out of control financialization of
| everything, feeding on its insane first mover advantage
| and network effects. This attempt to hide it is simply
| embarrassing.
|
| There's only gonna be so much thinking or research
| involved and forget contacting primary sources or
| anything like that.
| mpalmer wrote:
| > When Microslop bans "Microslop" I don't need to try
|
| You might consider completely reversing this position for
| the rest of your life.
| nephihaha wrote:
| "Has no one else noticed that we increasingly talk about the
| world like it's fiction playing out in front of us?"
|
| Most of our world is a fiction or at least a highly distorted
| version of reality.
|
| My advice to people is: Get out into nature, stop believing
| everything on the news and meet people in person.
|
| Most of the news is ragebait designed to get you angry at
| specific targets rather than the systems themselves.
| estimator7292 wrote:
| Language shifts and evolves over time as the lives and
| viewpoints of speakers evolve.
|
| Your complaint is that young people use English in a way you
| dislike.
| jollyllama wrote:
| Or devolve. Perhaps it reflects an increasing detachment
| from reality in younger generations.
| pessimizer wrote:
| The complaint isn't actually about they way they're
| speaking. The way they're speaking is a symptom of the way
| they're thinking.
|
| In an age of the dumbest, most propagandistic narratives
| since the 50s, pumped out by the largest multinational
| corporations in history. Young people are looking at the
| world through shitty Marvel movie-colored glasses.
|
| It's also not their fault, and the fictions they think
| they're living through are written by gen Xers being paid
| by boomers. It is not a youthful point of view, it is the
| _sabotage of any emergence_ of a youth point of view,
| substituted with Disney product.
|
| > Language shifts and evolves over time as the lives and
| viewpoints of speakers evolve.
|
| This is a "things just happen" argument. Things happen for
| reasons.
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| Were they ever out of it? A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a
| wolf... Microsoft has been incredibly anti-consumer for the
| duration of their existence (even before Steve Ballmer made it
| blatent)
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| I think we've found the 2026 word of the year already!
|
| Let's get it out there and make this happen!
| jimnotgym wrote:
| This is why 2026 will be The Year of the Linux Desktop
| mghackerlady wrote:
| Lets go further, year of the Hurd desktop!
| isodev wrote:
| This just means I'm going to say microslop in random places -
| documents, slides, emails and Teams chats. "Copilot 365" is
| welcome to give me a red squigly all it wants.
| tredre3 wrote:
| Feel free to say microslop as much as possible, but it should
| be noted that many people will automatically dismiss your
| opinion when you do. I don't know if I agree with doing so or
| not, but it is more common than you'd think. And no, they
| aren't just microsoft shills.
| AvAn12 wrote:
| Sloppy.
| boringg wrote:
| Is Micro$$lop banned?
| mythz wrote:
| Yeah ban the use of a catchy catch-phrase as you continue to
| shove AI down your user-base - that'll work. Streisand would be
| proud.
| MarleTangible wrote:
| Most HN readers would now, but in the case somebody new reads
| it.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
|
| > The Streisand effect describes a situation where an attempt
| to hide, remove, or censor information results in the
| unintended consequence of the effort instead increasing public
| awareness of the information.
| hinkley wrote:
| BAHBOORAAAAAAH
| rhajsOqi wrote:
| What will Elon's "Macrohard" company be called? "Macroheil"?
| booleandilemma wrote:
| Is Micro$lop also banned?
| throwaway85825 wrote:
| AI valuation is based on vibes not fundamentals. If the vibes are
| bad it could tank valuations. That's why theyre so sensitive.
| merlindru wrote:
| but they make the vibes much worse by doing stuff like this
| zamalek wrote:
| Apparently the number of people familiar with the Streisand
| Effect is vanishingly small.
| shafyy wrote:
| I am currently re-watching the HBO comedy show Silicon Valley,
| and oh man, is it hitting even harder this time than when it was
| originally released.
| aurizon wrote:
| That's a 'snatch defeat from the jaws of victory moment'
| merlindru wrote:
| lmfao
|
| > Microsoft's brand image may already be at an all-time low
|
| and they decide to make it even worse. it's extremely obvious
| this would be an objectively terrible PR move. you always take
| banter on the chin and show that you're working on improving the
| product.
|
| instead, they try to clamp down on the banter, which, without
| fail, achieves the exact opposite: banter increases tenfold and
| you get ridiculed for being overly sensitive to actual criticism
| izzydata wrote:
| Microsoft, can you please let me remove recommendations from the
| start menu? Not just less recommendations. I want the category to
| not be displayed and taking up space.
| Gracana wrote:
| That's hilarious, I didn't realize you couldn't turn it off. I
| just tried disabling all the recommendation options and it
| still shows the category, except now instead of recommended
| items, it says "to show your recent files and apps, turn them
| on in Settings."
|
| This sort of thing used to bother me back when I took Windows
| seriously.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| It can be ripped out using regedit, I'm sure.
|
| It's been a while since I used Windows as a daily driver, but I
| did oscillate between W10 and Arch for about half a year, and
| the Arch mentality creeped into Windows. I ended up adding a
| context menu to Explorer so I could paste images on my
| clipboard directly to a the folder I had open. I had to create
| keys in the Explorer portions of the registry.
|
| If I could do that, I'm sure you can root around in the Start
| Menu parts of the registry and rip it out.
| izzydata wrote:
| I know I can because I've done it on my home machine, but my
| work computer is restricted by IT. I can't open regedit or
| install most software unfortunately.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| Yeah I asked my director if I could rip out the shell and
| replace it with X Server running in WSL2 and he said it
| would make the IT people very upset.
| 1718627440 wrote:
| If you use an X Server and environment to launch programs
| inside WSL2, what part produced by Microsoft is still
| providing some value to that setup? Wouldn't you just
| exec ELF programs to be run on top of the Linux kernel
| and Windows would be just some useless abstraction layer
| between the Linux kernel and the hardware? Or would you
| still use some actual Windows programs? How would that
| work with the X Server?
| xerox13ster wrote:
| There was some utility I found a few years ago that would
| let me start an X Server and use it to replace the main
| explorer process. There was some support for standard
| Windows apps due to the background System processes still
| running. I think it ended up running the Windows desktop
| shell as a window in and of itself.
|
| I wanted to use a tiled window manager and my dot files
| for continuity purposes. The Windows apps I need to use
| are stuff like anyconnect and Teams.
| CivBase wrote:
| I used to bother with things like registry edits, until I
| eventually realized the technical difficulty of operating
| Windows has surpassed that of Linux.
|
| Of course I still _have_ to use Windows for work and even a
| few edge cases at home. But otherwise I 've been quite happy
| since I swiched to Linux as my primary driver.
| toraway wrote:
| Win11debloat solves 99% of annoyances with Windows 11 in <5
| minutes. I've used in as the first step on every Win 11
| install for years. It's mostly just a bunch of Powershell
| commands disabling/configuring features.
|
| https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat
|
| Nothing has ever reverted after an update for me, so it's a
| one-and-done thing. Ironically, afterwards Windows 11 has
| fewer noticeable ads than my MacBook which still
| continually pushes Apple services/shows/etc in
| settings/push notifications.
|
| The only setting that I've ever seen sneakily disabled in
| recent years is the Edge default search engine but that's
| out-of-scope for Win11debloat.
| drnick1 wrote:
| It's better to get rid of Windows completely. You should
| try Arch if you enjoy tinkering.
| x0x0 wrote:
| What I heard is you would like some highly relevant ads to be
| at the top of your start menu for your convenience every time
| you want to start a program.
|
| Oh, and have you heard about OneDrive?
| pndy wrote:
| KDE Plasma community likes to recreate Windows environment and
| W11 application launchers instead of "recommendations" section
| have a more useful plain recently opened files. Which what
| Windows had not so long ago.
| fishgoesblub wrote:
| Personally I think 2000s Micro$oft would be disappointed that
| 2026 Microslop is hosting user communities on a 3rd party
| platform owned other another company rather than using their own
| competitor.
| itwillnotbeasy wrote:
| I wonder what is Apple equivalent for this term
| exegete wrote:
| Slopple
| connorgurney wrote:
| Crapple, probably.
| chewz wrote:
| Siri
| grayhatter wrote:
| Someone needs to edit this title to change the first word to
| MicroSlop
|
| I've never called them MircoSlop before, I haven't even written
| the word. But it's now my exclusive word for the company.
|
| All I can hear is, it's working.
| CodeCompost wrote:
| May I coin the term "Slopware"?
| RoyTyrell wrote:
| MS has some snowflake (not Snowflake) execs... Poor little
| management, they need their safe space from a mean old word.
| i7l wrote:
| https://microslop.com/
| bombela wrote:
| The header takes half the page. It's very annoying, and as such
| not really funny.
| pinkmuffinere wrote:
| It would be better if it just showed the ms home page
| allthetime wrote:
| If by half you mean 10%, then, yes.
| hinkley wrote:
| microsoft.com's header also takes up half the page.
| teekert wrote:
| Before this article I'd have thought that Microslop was used to
| designate small snippets of AI slop, like "Let that sync in" or
| "And to be honest" and "It's not X, it's Y" and "Deepdive" and
| "Delve".
|
| But nice to see that MS is Streisanding their way to a nice new
| nickname!
|
| What were the sloperators of that channel thinking?
|
| In any case, it should be Micro$lop (may not be banned...yet).
| gverrilla wrote:
| lmao
| altern8 wrote:
| Microslop can't get one right. What is it with them these days..?
| some_furry wrote:
| I guess I'll have to go out of my way to refer to their shitty
| product as "Microslop Copilot" then.
|
| What are they going to do? Ban me from using their operating
| system?
| nephihaha wrote:
| Microslop Coprolite.
| semi-extrinsic wrote:
| > _the software giant can't risk getting more hatred towards
| their expensive investment in Copilot, especially since
| Microsoft's head start in AI is starting to be overshadowed by
| competitors like Anthropic, Google, OpenAI, and maybe even Apple
| in the near future_
|
| This sentence is from TFA, and I can't for the life of me
| understand it. "Head start"?? WTF?
| drumttocs8 wrote:
| I would honestly be embarrassed to call myself "micro soft" in
| general.
|
| Unless you're into that kind of thing.
| ineedasername wrote:
| Oh no, how will people signal that some functionality or product
| in general is what they'd previously been referring as Mircolosp?
| er, Microsolps. wait, that's not it either, Macroslop. Micro$lop.
| Microsplo. Sorry, so many typos! _but you know what I mean._
| ratelimitsteve wrote:
| they sincerely think that the primary problem they're facing is
| one of PR, don't they?
| goku12 wrote:
| Microslop? Hmm... Never heard that before! Meanwhile, I just
| randomly remembered that I haven't opened a couple of dozen
| social media accounts in ages. BRB!
| lousken wrote:
| it will take years to fix their broken products, if they ever
| focus on that
| bigfishrunning wrote:
| They don't have to, because dispite how _incredibly bad_ they
| are, people have shown that they don 't care. According to the
| average user, Windows isn't bad, that's just how computers are.
| They don't care that there's any other way of doing things; the
| cheapest computer at Best Buy runs windows so that's what every
| computer must be.
|
| Piggies love to eat slop.
| jonshariat wrote:
| Ah yes another company disregarding the Streisand effect -
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect.
|
| No one in my circles said this, now I've heard it twice now
| through headlines of Microsoft trying to punish or block it.
|
| Now I've started saying it too.
| mikkupikku wrote:
| The way people react to criticism tells you a lot about how deep
| your remark cut. Clearly Microsoft people know their stuff is
| slop and are having a hard time coping with that.
| melonpan7 wrote:
| Macroslop
| thayne wrote:
| Does M$ honestly expect a positive outcome from this? What do
| they hope to accomplish?
| mk_chan wrote:
| Microsoft ban any % speedrun soon.
|
| Is this what the employees do nowadays while their AI is
| generating code?
| BrtByte wrote:
| Long term, the real fix isn't moderation rules, it's trust
| oxag3n wrote:
| Thank you Microsoft for the The Streisand effect - I've added the
| "Microslop" to my vocabulary.
| TedDallas wrote:
| Microslop? Its more like they are taking a Macro-crap.
| aprentic wrote:
| It's more and more baffling that people use M$FT for anything
| besides video games.
| throwuxiytayq wrote:
| These days games run better on Linux, in case anyone didn't
| know.
| CivBase wrote:
| The only games I've encountered that don't work on Linux are
| ones where the developer has intentially designed it that
| way. Some developers are paranoid about cheaters and one of
| their solitions is to tell all Linux users to kick rocks.
|
| Aside from that I've encountered a handfull of games with
| performance issues on Linux (especially with Intel/Nvidea
| hardware), but most run just fine. Some technically run
| better on Linux, but I haven't encountered any where the
| difference was perceptable to me.
| compiler-guy wrote:
| There is only one problem with the term "microslop" coming out of
| Microsoft.
|
| It should be called "macroslop", just after the amount that
| company is putting out there.
| hluska wrote:
| Several hours worth of anal probe jokes on an article that could
| likely warrant an actual discussion? That was disappointing to
| read here.
| jajuuka wrote:
| Tech feels more filled with hipsters every day. If the story is
| about any major company or product it's just dunked on for
| social credits. But anything that is outside that is considered
| interesting and worth further investigation. It's frustrating
| me to no end.
| rocketvole wrote:
| this is personal anecdote, but I've noticed that the overall
| quality of comments has plummeted quite drastically within the
| last few months. It's a little disappointing since its why I
| left reddit. Thankfully, the insightful comments are typically
| still there- just typically buried further down the thread.
| exabrial wrote:
| The butthurt level is high up in there
| karel-3d wrote:
| Microsoft has a Discord? Why not Teams?
| locusofself wrote:
| It kindof sucks waking up every day, checking HN or YouTube to
| see one or several new posts bashing on your employer. Not that
| many of them aren't warranted, and that a multi-trillion market
| cap company isn't fair game for criticism.
|
| I've surveyed the market pretty heavily, and given my specific
| credentials, experience, and risk tolerance, unless I got really
| lucky, I don't know if I could find a better place to work. I
| live near Redmond and have a small family to support.
| zapzupnz wrote:
| Microsoft have been bashed on the daily since forever. There's
| no way you joined the company without knowing it was happening
| prior to you joining, at the time of you joining, and after you
| joining.
| locusofself wrote:
| It's true. As a matter of fact I credit a lot of my career to
| being made fun of on IRC in the 1990s for running mIRC client
| for Windows, because you were not "leet" if you didn't run
| Linux or FreeBSD, which took my down a huge rabbit-hole of
| Linux and coding for many years, which is how I know anything
| in the first place. I'm in the tiny minority of people in big
| tech who didn't go to college.
|
| The bashing on MSFT has really ramped up in the last 6 months
| though
| jonfw wrote:
| Rather than saying that microsoft bashing has ramped up,
| I'd say that it is getting closer to it's standard levels.
|
| Microsoft experience a sort of reputational resurgence in
| the tech world these past few years with some commitment to
| open source contribution and a really nice pivot towards
| linux and cloud.
|
| Their pivot to AI is much less popular!
| locusofself wrote:
| The AI stuff and Windows 11 have been big drivers of
| bashing
| therein wrote:
| Yes and you're in a unique position to influence the
| internal culture. Not saying send emails to executives
| but talk about things during lunch with coworkers?
| zapzupnz wrote:
| Ah, is that not going to college part why you're loathe to
| give up such a good gig? Surely by now your CV speaks for
| itself, although I suppose in Redmond, where else are you
| going to go.
| locusofself wrote:
| It is, although considering my age (41), I would hope the
| college thing is not very important anymore. The only
| time in recent history that I've been ghosted after
| mentioning no degree (when asked) is ByteDance a few
| years back, and I don't think I'd want to work there
| anyways.
|
| Google has offices in Kirkland. Amazon and Meta are big
| employers here, with Meta paying the best, but both of
| those companies have their own issues which are probably
| worse than just being made fun of ..
| ghosty141 wrote:
| There can be quite a big difference on the reception of a
| product and the working conditions. I think that's nothing too
| out of the ordinary in a lot of cases.
| locusofself wrote:
| It apparently used to be even much better to work here. I've
| been here 6 years now. There is naturally a lot of "talent"
| exchanged between here and Amazon, which has influenced the
| culture.
| keeda wrote:
| For what it's worth, my take is Microsoft is the one Big Tech
| most aligned with us and the rest of the world, though HN is
| too Slashdot-pilled to accept it.
|
| The primary reason being their business model relies _mostly_
| on making people productive, rather than getting people to
| click on ads or buy stuff, which as we 're seeing, is much more
| damaging to the social fabric.
| dguest wrote:
| People don't like your company.
|
| But they'd probably like you.
|
| <3
| AndyKelley wrote:
| I propose let's break up a bunch of these monopolies to give
| you and your colleagues more options, more competition for your
| resume.
| arendtio wrote:
| My big issue with Microsoft's AI push is that its solutions are
| just bad. I tried using Copilot a couple of times, and when it
| worked, the results were low quality (not even mediocre).
|
| And the problem is not that the AI models can't do any better.
| The models themselves are far more capable. I assume that their
| integrations are just horrible. They probably pushed to be the
| first and then forgot about optimizing.
|
| And instead of fixing their stuff, they think it is a good idea
| to use moderation tools...
| sharyphil wrote:
| Slopya Nutella
|
| (is that banned?)
| natas wrote:
| I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a
| relatively senior position within Microsoft's executive
| leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly
| that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer
| products. According to her, the company's leadership is strongly
| focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by
| Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions.
|
| Her perspective was that consumer-facing products are not the
| primary revenue drivers and, therefore, are not central to
| executive priorities. While this may not be surprising to some,
| what stood out to me was how emphatically she underscored that
| the company's strategic focus is squarely on enterprise customers
| rather than end users.
|
| That said, this business model has historically proven effective
| for companies such as IBM. Microsoft allocates its resources
| toward segments that offer meaningful revenue growth.
| medi8r wrote:
| Foolish since a world where no one uses Windows at home will ve
| damaging for enterprise long term.
| x0x0 wrote:
| I think they (and even Apple) are going to get a walloping
| from mostly ceding the education market to chromebooks. Kids
| are growing up using them.
| matthewfcarlson wrote:
| It's interesting to me as well as an ex-microsofter who
| worked on surface devices. Leadership (at least below the
| VP level) knew they were getting killed by Chromebooks and
| tried a few times to get a low cost device (Surface Go 1/2
| for example) that ran a slimmed down version of windows
| (Windows S?). It tries to be more like chrome OS (hard to
| mess up, easy to flatten and restore a fresh OS on) but
| kind of just throws away the things you would pick windows
| for in the first place (legacy app compatibility) to be not
| bad at the thing Chromebooks are good at.
|
| That said, I don't believe the Chromebook lock-in. It's
| just chrome and the web, which you can get on literally
| almost every laptop/pc sold today. Should Microsoft be
| concerned that you don't need windows as more and more
| things move onto the web? Absolutely. They should be
| doubling down hard on the gaming ecosystem (which atm still
| requires windows for certain games) as their hold is
| eroding week by week.
| medi8r wrote:
| I think Windows was a pretty good desktop environment
| circa. Windows 7. Hardware compatability and just working
| are huge. If they can get an independent M4 competitor
| from AMD etc. you would have a compelling reason to
| switch from Mac (for Joe Average user).
|
| Step 1 get rid of adware
| dralley wrote:
| > That said, this business model has historically proven
| effective for companies such as IBM.
|
| In some ways. Less so in others.
|
| For products that get commoditized for home use, the "business
| focused" high-margin solutions generally lose out to the
| commoditized solutions focused on end consumers in the long
| term.
| yvdriess wrote:
| Yeah. It's telling that this story is about their discord
| channel, not Teams.
| piker wrote:
| That sentiment is characteristic of the Gates to Ballmer
| leadership change.
| TheRealDunkirk wrote:
| I've said this for years. The amount of money Microsoft makes
| from the OS apart from corporations is a rounding error. What
| little they do make is from preinstalled systems, and,
| honestly, when was the last time you knew someone that went out
| and bought a Windows-based computer for anything other than
| gaming? I don't need a quote from someone high up in the
| company to know they couldn't care less how upset people are by
| the decisions they make about it.
|
| Literally every corporation and government in the world is
| slavishly devoted to running all of their end-user computers on
| it, because Microsoft will let them do unspeakable things to
| the OS, in the name of security, that wind up having next-to-
| nothing to do with actually making their data more secure, and
| only serve to infuriate and spy on the users. My company runs
| THREE different "end point" security packages on my machine.
| There are at least 35 scripts that run at all hours of the day
| to make sure I'm not doing anything I shouldn't. It takes 20
| minutes to be usable after a boot up. And the VPN drops several
| times a day, even though my internet is rock solid. It's an
| entire, vibrant ecosystem of outsourced, bone-headed, second-
| and-third-party decision making so that no one in the company
| or the department or the management or the supply chain has any
| accountability in case something goes wrong. THAT'S what
| Microsoft is selling, and IT HAS NO COMPETITION IN THIS
| CAPACITY.
|
| For years, I've begged people on every social network I've been
| on, including this one, to find a source of operating system
| market share that has corporate purchases broken out from
| personal purchases. This is the closest thing I can find. It
| shows abysmal numbers for Microsoft, and it's at least a decade
| out of date. I expect that Microsoft -- who obviously
| underwrote the entire IT press during the 90's and 00's -- has
| done quite a lot of work and paid quite a lot of money to make
| sure that nothing definitive in this regard ever sees the light
| of day. They have gotten to where they are making sure that
| Gartner never did anything resembling this.
|
| https://www.extremetech.com/computing/143277-microsofts-shar...
| RachelF wrote:
| >The amount of money Microsoft makes from the OS apart from
| corporations is a rounding error.
|
| Yes, if you analyse revenue (not profit), sales of Windows
| count 9% of the total. Microsoft makes around the same
| percentage from LinkedIn and Xbox as they do from Windows
| sales.
|
| Cloud is by far the the biggest contributor to revenue.
| boca_honey wrote:
| >when was the last time you knew someone that went out and
| bought a Windows-based computer for anything other than
| gaming?
|
| I'm sorry, what? I don't know if this is because of the
| developer-bubble mindset on HN (or the wealth gap that comes
| with that), but Windows adoption on the consumer level is
| around 70% and close to 90% on the business level. This
| actually falls short from what I see anecdotically (I don't
| live in any North-American / European country), which is
| close to 95% of Windows adoption, in general.
| some_random wrote:
| I would have been suspicious of this until I saw a quote for an
| E5 license
| golddust-gecko wrote:
| This is 100% true.
|
| You might wonder why, if businesses are the target, why not
| just make Windows a no-frills, solid base for the other
| offerings? Why slop it up?
|
| The answer there is cultural. Windows needs a large team just
| to keep supporting it at scale. All those engineers and PMs
| need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their
| managers into promoting them. The strong, experienced, leaders
| have largely left because they know this isn't a company
| priority. So you end up with B players promoting C players for
| slop.
|
| Time goes on and the Bs become Cs, and so on.
|
| So the dynamic is that something that isn't a priority doesn't
| merely slop evolving, it devolves. We're now several iterations
| into this process, which will accelerate due to AI.
| ForOldHack wrote:
| "So you end up with B players promoting C players for slop."
|
| Micro-slop(tm).
| tomaskafka wrote:
| I got the same info. Windows kernel is developed for B2B needs,
| if something might be useful to B2C, they might eventually get
| it, but they don't affect the roadmap.
| m463 wrote:
| seems like microsoft = 1/apple
| pwarner wrote:
| MS is the new IBM
| ajkjk wrote:
| That's fine, they should still do a good job for moral reasons
| rather than economic ones, and they deserve to be dragged
| through the mud if they do not.
| jollyllama wrote:
| > That said, this business model has historically proven
| effective for companies such as IBM.
|
| And all of the ERP vendors.
|
| That said, most FOSS devs don't target those platforms for
| releases, so IMO the same approach should be taken with
| Microsoft products then.
| dajt wrote:
| That's been obvious for years. It feels like they're extracting
| whatever remaining money they can get from the home PC market
| while it lasts but won't much miss it when it's gone.
|
| I'm surprised they haven't given up on xbox and games but
| perhaps there's enough money there to keep it going.
| razorfen wrote:
| Their new appointment of leader for their Xbox group suggests
| that they intend to wind down that business unit in time. The
| founder of the Xbox team has commented that he believes it's
| the beginning of the end for Xbox, for the exact reasons of
| this thread.
| hinkley wrote:
| That's been obvious for decades. Everyone who worked in the
| 90's or 00's has stories about coming in one day to find that
| the VP has been conned into a $1m contract for MS office or
| development software everyone hates and now we all have to
| use it because if we don't then he made a huge mistake and
| VPs don't make huge mistakes.
|
| So we have to eat shit or find open source software to work
| around MS's garbage check-box-driven software.
| ForOldHack wrote:
| Clearly you were there.
| Melonai wrote:
| It's not fully clear yet but they definitely gave up on the
| current Xbox strategy, after firing both the CEO and the
| next-in-line and replacing them with people previously
| working on integrating AI around the entire product line.
| Sure they said they won't fill up Xbox with soulless AI slop,
| not sure I believe them.
|
| Consoles are probably getting phased out, which makes
| financial sense at this point if they don't manage a massive
| comeback, and Xbox might try to go with a more Steam-based
| model (they've been trying for the last decade with not much
| success), maybe trying to make PCs more console-like with
| their new Xbox Windows changes, as well as putting AI
| everywhere, so that's going to be fun!
| darth_avocado wrote:
| > home PC market while it lasts
|
| Tinfoil hat thought: Microsoft only focuses on B2B and not
| consumer market, because they make it so that consumers can
| only rent from Microsoft and other businesses, not actually
| own anything. That way, Microsoft can keep jacking up prices
| as they see fit.
| glaslong wrote:
| I'm always astounded by the tendency to bet it all on core
| competencies and wind down every other effort that's profitable
| but not profitable _enough _ As if times don't change,
| innovation never happens, and your accessory plays of today are
| never the overtaking market of tomorrow.
| aleph_minus_one wrote:
| > According to her, the company's leadership is strongly
| focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by
| Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions.
|
| > Her perspective was that consumer-facing products are not the
| primary revenue drivers and, therefore, are not central to
| executive priorities.
|
| This does not explain why Microsoft then does not consider the
| consumer products as "stable (somewhat 'legacy') platforms",
| i.e. no deep changes and improvements will happen anymore
| (mostly bugfixes, security fixes and smaller improvements) - at
| least for the next years.
|
| Considering that
|
| - many Windows users would rather prefer a Windows 7 with small
| iterative improvements to handle new hardware (including
| performance improvements for new hardware)
|
| - by quite many Windows users even Windows 2000 is celebrated
| (and many users would still love to use it if it included
| support for more modern hardware features and some convenience
| features that were introduced with newer Windows versions)
|
| I can easily imagine that that this development path for
| Windows and Office would actually be liked by quite a lot of
| users.
|
| Instead what Microsoft provides is an enshitification of
| Windows (and Office) with spyware, telemetry, AI slop, ads,
| changes for the sake of change, ...: this is clearly not what
| most users want.
|
| I even have a feeling that this development path would be much
| cheaper for Microsoft than the AI integrations for Windows and
| Office for which Microsoft has clearly spent an insane amount
| of money.
| josefritzishere wrote:
| The irony is thick today. HN flagged a microslop post this
| morning.
| goldylochness wrote:
| some might view it as an impossible goal, but if they enabled
| humor they would become more popular
| shevy-java wrote:
| That is actually hilarious. Microsoft does not understand the
| Barbara Streisand effect. I did use microslop before, simply
| because it makes sense, irrespective of Microsoft - but now I'll
| actually help the Barbara Streisand effect, because clearly
| Microsoft WANTS everyone to learn the new word!
|
| Censorship gets counter-banned, Microsoft, company known to have
| turned Win11 into Win-microslop.
| nzxt210 wrote:
| This good
| mig39 wrote:
| Why are they using Discord instead of Teams? Is this an internal
| Microsoft group? They don't dogfood?
| JohnMakin wrote:
| Classic Streisand effect - I had never, and probably would have
| never encountered this term, and now I have, and I am
| incorporating it into my vocabulary.
|
| Why listen to user feedback when you can do stuff like this? Way
| too funny.
| hinkley wrote:
| Not a company well known for listening to user feedback.
| chrisco23 wrote:
| I thought they were named Microsloth. Making products like
| Windoze and Winblows.
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