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       Claude Code: connect to a local model when your quota runs out
        
       Author : fugu2
       Score  : 376 points
       Date   : 2026-02-01 12:43 UTC (4 days ago)
        
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       | baalimago wrote:
       | Or better yet: Connect to some trendy AI (or web3) company's
       | chatbot. It almost always outputs good coding tips
        
       | alexhans wrote:
       | Useful tip.
       | 
       | From a strategic standpoint of privacy, cost and control, I
       | immediately went for local models, because that allowed to
       | baseline tradeoffs and it also made it easier to understand where
       | vendor lock-in could happen, or not get too narrow in perspective
       | (e.g. llama.cpp/open router depending on local/cloud [1] ).
       | 
       | With the explosion of popularity of CLI tools
       | (claude/continue/codex/kiro/etc) it still makes sense to be able
       | to do the same, even if you can use several strategies to
       | subsidize your cloud costs (being aware of the lack of privacy
       | tradeoffs).
       | 
       | I would absolutely pitch that and evals as one small practice
       | that will have compounding value for any "automation" you want to
       | design in the future, because at some point you'll care about
       | cost, risks, accuracy and regressions.
       | 
       | [1] - https://alexhans.github.io/posts/aider-with-open-
       | router.html
       | 
       | [2] - https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA
        
         | mogoman wrote:
         | can you recommend a setup with ollama and a cli tool? Do you
         | know if I need a licence for Claude if I only use my own local
         | LLM?
        
           | alexhans wrote:
           | What are your needs/constraints (hardware constraints
           | definitely a big one)?
           | 
           | The one I mentioned called continue.dev [1] is easy to try
           | out and see if it meets your needs.
           | 
           | Hitting local models with it should be very easy (it calls
           | APIs at a specific port)
           | 
           | [1] - https://github.com/continuedev/continue
        
             | wongarsu wrote:
             | I've also made decent experiences with continue, at least
             | for autocomplete. The UI wants you to set up an account,
             | but you can just ignore that and configure ollama in the
             | config file
             | 
             | For a full claude code replacement I'd go with opencode
             | instead, but good models for that are something you run in
             | your company's basement, not at home
        
           | drifkin wrote:
           | we recently added a `launch` command to Ollama, so you can
           | set up tools like Claude Code easily:
           | https://ollama.com/blog/launch
           | 
           | tldr; `ollama launch claude`
           | 
           | glm-4.7-flash is a nice local model for this sort of thing if
           | you have a machine that can run it
        
             | vorticalbox wrote:
             | I have been using glm-4.7 a bunch today and it's actually
             | pretty good.
             | 
             | I set up a bot on 4claw and although it's kinda slow, it
             | took twenty minutes to load 3 subs and 5 posts from each
             | then comment on interesting ones.
             | 
             | It actually managed to correctly use the api via curl
             | though at one point it got a little stuck as it didn't
             | escape its json.
             | 
             | I'm going to run it for a few days but very impressed so
             | for for such a small model.
        
           | w4yai wrote:
           | You must try GLM4.7 and KimiK2.5 !
           | 
           | I also highly suggest OpenCode. You'll get the same Claude
           | Code vibe.
           | 
           | If your computer is not beefy enough to run them locally,
           | Synthetic is a bless when it comes to providing these models,
           | their team is responsive, no downtime or any issue for the
           | last 6 months.
           | 
           | Full list of models provided :
           | https://dev.synthetic.new/docs/api/models
           | 
           | Referal link if you're interested in trying it for free, and
           | discount for the first month :
           | https://synthetic.new/?referral=kwjqga9QYoUgpZV
        
         | cyanydeez wrote:
         | I think control should be top of the list here. You're talking
         | about building work flows, products and long term practices
         | around something that's inherently non-deterministic.
         | 
         | And the probability that any given model you use today is the
         | same as what you use tomorrow is doubly doubtful:
         | 
         | 1. The model itself will change as they try to improve the
         | cost-per-test improves. This will necessarily make your
         | expectations non-deterministic.
         | 
         | 2. The "harness" around that model will change as business-cost
         | is tightened and the amount of context around the model is
         | changed to improve the business case which generates the most
         | money.
         | 
         | Then there's the "cataclysmic" lockout cost where you
         | accidently use the wrong tool that gets you locked out of the
         | entire ecosystem and you are black listed, like a gambler in
         | vegas who figures out how to count cards and it works until the
         | house's accountant identifies you as a non-negligible customer
         | cost.
         | 
         | It's akin to anti-union arguments where everyone "buying" into
         | the cloud AI circus thinks they're going to strike gold and
         | completely ignores the fact that very few will and if they
         | really wanted a better world and more control, they'd unionize
         | and limit their illusions of grandeur. It should be an easy
         | argument to make, but we're seeing about 1/3 of the population
         | are extremely susceptible to greed based illusions.,
        
           | alexhans wrote:
           | You're right. Control is the big one and both privacy and
           | cost are only possible because you have control. It's a
           | similar benefit to the one of Linux distros or open source
           | software.
           | 
           | The rest of your points are why I mentioned AI evals and
           | regressions. I share your sentiment. I've pitched it in the
           | past as "We can't compare what we can't measure" and "Can I
           | trust this to run on its own?" and how automation requires
           | intent and understanding your risk profile. None of this is
           | new for anyone who has designed software with sufficient
           | impact in the past, of course.
           | 
           | Since you're interested in combating non-determinism, I
           | wonder if you've reached the same conclusion of reducing the
           | spaces where it can occur and compound making the "LLM" parts
           | as minimal as possible between solid deterministic and well-
           | tested building blocks (e.g.
           | https://alexhans.github.io/posts/series/evals/error-
           | compound... ).
        
           | dec0dedab0de wrote:
           | _It 's akin to anti-union arguments where everyone "buying"
           | into the cloud AI circus thinks they're going to strike gold
           | and completely ignores the fact that very few will and if
           | they really wanted a better world and more control, they'd
           | unionize and limit their illusions of grandeur._
           | 
           | Most Anti-Union arguments I have heard have been about them
           | charging too much in dues, union leadership cozying up to
           | management, and them acting like organized crime doing things
           | like smashing windows of non-union jobs. I have never heard
           | anyone be against unions because they thought they would make
           | it rich on their own.
        
         | lancekey wrote:
         | Can you say a bit more about evals and your approach?
        
       | swyx wrote:
       | i mean the other obvious answer is to plug in to the other claude
       | code proxies that other model companies have made for you:
       | 
       | https://docs.z.ai/devpack/tool/claude
       | 
       | https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/introducing-cerebras-code
       | 
       | or i guess one of the hosted gpu providers
       | 
       | if you're basically a homelabber and wanted an excuse to run
       | quantized models on your own device go for it but dont lie and
       | mutter under your own tin foil hat that its a realistic
       | replacement
        
         | heyyeah wrote:
         | It's definitely a backup solution but even since I was drafting
         | the blog, Qwen3 Coder Next was released. It's a functional stop
         | gap if you want to keep things local. I try to be up front in
         | the blog for people to "Reduce your expectations about speed
         | and performance!"
         | 
         | (Also, I love your podcast!)
        
       | zingar wrote:
       | I guess I should be able to use this config to point Claude at
       | the GitHub copilot licensed models (including anthropic models).
       | That's pretty great. About 2/3 of the way through every day I'm
       | forced to switch from Claude (pro license) to amp free and the
       | different ergonomics are quite jarring. Open source folks get
       | copilot tokens for free so that's another pro license I don't
       | have to worry about.
        
       | hkpatel3 wrote:
       | Openrouter can also be used with claude code.
       | https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/claude-code-integration
        
         | htsh wrote:
         | thanks! came in here to ask this.
         | 
         | we can do much better with a cheap model on openrouter (glm
         | 4.7, kimi, etc.) than anything that I can run on my lowly 3090
         | :)
        
           | parthsareen wrote:
           | Also recently added ollama launch claude if you want to
           | connect to cloud models from there :)
        
       | raw_anon_1111 wrote:
       | Or just don't use Claude Code and use Codex CLI. I have yet to
       | hit a quota with Codex working all day. I hit the Claude limits
       | within an hour or less.
       | 
       | This is with my regular $20/month ChatGpT subscription and my
       | $200 a year (company reimbursed) Claude subscription.
        
         | mercutio2 wrote:
         | Yeah, the generosity of Anthropic is vastly less than OpenAI.
         | Which is, itself, much less than Gemini (I've never paid Google
         | a dime, I get hours of use out of gemini-cli every day). I run
         | out of my weekly quota in 2-3 days, 5-hour quota in ~1 hour.
         | And this is 1-2 tasks at a time, using Sonnet (Opus gets like 3
         | queries before I've used my quota).
         | 
         | Right now OpenAI is giving away fairly generous free credits to
         | get people to try the macOS Codex client. And... it's quite
         | good! Especially for free.
         | 
         | I've cancelled my Anthropic subscription...
        
           | raw_anon_1111 wrote:
           | Hmm, I might have to try Gemini. Open AI, Claude and Gemini
           | are all explicitly approved by my employer. Especially since
           | we use GSuite anyway
        
           | throwa356262 wrote:
           | How recent is your information?
           | 
           | Google significantly reduced the free quota and removed pro
           | models from gemini cli some 2-3 moths ago.
           | 
           | Also, Gemini models eat tokens like crazy. Something Codex
           | and Code would do with 2K tokens takes Gemini 100K. Not sure
           | why.
        
         | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
         | You're getting downvoted because people here don't know that
         | the specific agent you pick can pollute your context and waste
         | your tokens. Claude's system prompt is enormous, to say nothing
         | of things like context windows and hidden subagents.
        
           | raw_anon_1111 wrote:
           | I am using Codex-cli with my regular $20 a month ChatGPT
           | subscription. Never once had to worry about tokens, request
           | etc. I logged in with my regular ChatGPT account and didn't
           | have to use an API key
        
       | esafak wrote:
       | Or they could just let people use their own harnesses again...
        
         | usef- wrote:
         | That wouldn't solve this problem.
         | 
         | And they do? That's what the API is.
         | 
         | The subscription always seemed clearly advertised for client
         | usage, not general API usage, to me. I don't know why people
         | are surprised after hacking the auth out of the client. (note
         | in clients they can control prompting patterns for caching etc,
         | it can be cheaper)
        
           | esafak wrote:
           | End users -- people who use harnesses -- have subscriptions
           | so that makes no sense. General API usage is for production.
        
             | usef- wrote:
             | "Production" what?
             | 
             | The API is for using the model directly with your own
             | tools. It can be in dev, or experiments, or anything.
             | 
             | Subscriptions are for using the apps Claude + code. That's
             | what it always said when you sign up.
        
               | esafak wrote:
               | Production code, of course; deployed software. For when
               | you need to make LLM calls.
        
               | eli wrote:
               | Production = people who can afford to pay API rates for a
               | coding harness
        
               | usef- wrote:
               | Saying their prices are too high is an understandable
               | complaint; I'm only arguing against the complaint that
               | people were stopped from hacking the subscriptions.
               | 
               | LLMs are a hyper-competitive market at the moment, and we
               | have a wealth of options, so if Anthropic is overpricing
               | their API they'll likely be hurting themselves.
        
       | wkirby wrote:
       | My experience thus far is that the local models are a) pretty
       | slow and b) prone to making broken tool calls. Because of (a) the
       | iteration loop slows down enough to where I wander off to do
       | other tasks, meaning that (b) is way more problematic because I
       | don't see it for who knows how long.
       | 
       | This is, however, a major improvement from ~6 months ago when
       | even a single token `hi` from an agentic CLI could take >3
       | minutes to generate a response. I suspect the parallel processing
       | of LMStudio 0.4.x and some better tuning of the initial context
       | payload is responsible.
       | 
       | 6 months from now, who knows?
        
         | israrkhan wrote:
         | Open models are trained more generically to work with "Any"
         | tool.
         | 
         | Closed models are specifically tuned with tools, that model
         | provider wants them to work with (for example specific tools
         | under claude code), and hence they perform better.
         | 
         | I think this will always be the case, unless someone tunes open
         | models to work with the tools that their coding agent will use.
        
           | dragonwriter wrote:
           | > Open models are trained more generically to work with "Any"
           | tool. Closed models are specifically tuned with tools, that
           | model provider wants them to work with (for example specific
           | tools under claude code), and hence they perform better.
           | 
           | Some open models have specific training for defined tools (a
           | notable example is OpenAI GPT-OSS and its "built in" tools
           | for browser use and python execution (they are called built
           | in tools, but they are really tool interfaces it is trained
           | to use if made available.) And closed models are _also_
           | trained to work with generic tools as well as their "built
           | in" tools.
        
       | btbuildem wrote:
       | I'm confused, wasn't this already available via env vars?
       | ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL and so on, and yes you may have to write a
       | thin proxy to wrap the calls to fit whatever backend you're
       | using.
       | 
       | I've been running CC with Qwen3-Coder-30B (FP8) and I find it
       | just as fast, but not nearly as clever.
        
       | eek2121 wrote:
       | I gotta say, the local models are catching up quick. Claude is
       | definitely still ahead, but things are moving right along.
        
         | bcyn wrote:
         | Which models perform anywhere close to Opus 4.5? In my
         | experience none of the local models are even in the same
         | ballpark.
        
           | heyyeah wrote:
           | This week: look at Qwen3 Coder Next and GLM 4.7 but it's
           | changing fast.
           | 
           | I wrote this for the scenario you've run out of quota for the
           | day or week but want a back up plan to keep going to give
           | some options with obvious speed and quality trade-offs. There
           | is also always the option to upgrade if your project and use
           | case needs Opus 4.5.
        
       | mcbuilder wrote:
       | Opencode has been a thing for a while now
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | > Reduce your expectations about speed and performance!
       | 
       | Wildly understating this part.
       | 
       | Even the best local models (ones you run on beefy 128GB+ RAM
       | machines) get _nowhere_ close to the sheer intelligence of Claude
       | /Gemini/Codex. At worst these models will move you backwards and
       | just increase the amount of work Claude has to do when your
       | limits reset.
        
         | zozbot234 wrote:
         | The best open models such as Kimi 2.5 are about as smart today
         | as the big proprietary models were one year ago. That's not
         | "nothing" and is plenty good enough for everyday work.
        
           | reilly3000 wrote:
           | Which takes a $20k thunderbolt cluster of 2 512GB RAM Mac
           | Studio Ultras to run at full quality...
        
             | teaearlgraycold wrote:
             | Which while expensive is dirt cheap compared to a
             | comparable NVidia or AMD system.
        
               | blharr wrote:
               | What speed are you getting at that level of hardware
               | though?
        
               | SchemaLoad wrote:
               | It's still very expensive compared to using the hosted
               | models which are currently massively subsidised. Have to
               | wonder what the fair market price for these hosted models
               | will be after the free money dries up.
        
               | cactusplant7374 wrote:
               | Inference is profitable. Maybe we hit a limit and we
               | don't need as many expensive training runs in the future.
        
               | teaearlgraycold wrote:
               | For sure Claude Code isn't profitable
        
               | bdangubic wrote:
               | Neither was Uber and ... and ...
        
               | plagiarist wrote:
               | Businesses will desire me for my insomnia once Anthropics
               | starts charging congestion pricing.
        
               | bdangubic wrote:
               | that is coming for sure to replace the "500" errors
        
               | paxys wrote:
               | Inference APIs are probably profitable, but I doubt the
               | $20-$100 monthly plans are.
        
               | cactusplant7374 wrote:
               | I wouldn't be so sure. Most users aren't going to use up
               | their quota every week.
        
               | whatsupdog wrote:
               | I wonder if the "distributed AI computing" touted by some
               | of the new crypto projects [0] works and is relatively
               | cheaper.
               | 
               | 0. https://www.daifi.ai/
        
             | bigyabai wrote:
             | "Full quality" being a relative assessment, here. You're
             | still deeply compute constrained, that machine would crawl
             | at longer contexts.
        
             | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
             | Most benchmarks show very little improvement of "full
             | quality" over a quantized lower-bit model. You can shrink
             | the model to a fraction of its "full" size and get 92-95%
             | same performance, with less VRAM use.
        
               | MuffinFlavored wrote:
               | > You can shrink the model to a fraction of its "full"
               | size and get 92-95% same performance, with less VRAM use.
               | 
               | Are there a lot of options how "how far" do you quantize?
               | How much VRAM does it take to get the 92-95% you are
               | speaking of?
        
               | bigyabai wrote:
               | > Are there a lot of options how "how far" do you
               | quantize?
               | 
               | So many: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1ba
               | 55rj/overvie...
               | 
               | > How much VRAM does it take to get the 92-95% you are
               | speaking of?
               | 
               | For inference, it's heavily dependent on the size of the
               | weights (plus context). Quantizing an f32 or f16 model to
               | q4/mxfp4 won't necessarily use 92-95% less VRAM, but it's
               | pretty close for smaller contexts.
        
               | MuffinFlavored wrote:
               | Thank you. Could you give a tl;dr on "the full model
               | needs ____ this much VRAM and if you do _____ the most
               | common quantization method it will run in ____ this much
               | VRAM" rough estimate please?
        
               | omneity wrote:
               | It's a trivial calculation to make (+/- 10%).
               | 
               | Number of params == "variables" in memory
               | 
               | VRAM footprint ~= number of params * size of a param
               | 
               | A 4B model at 8 bits will result in 4GB vram give or
               | take, same as params. At 4 bits ~= 2GB and so on. Kimi is
               | about 512GB at 4 bits.
        
             | deaux wrote:
             | And that's at unusable speeds - it takes about triple that
             | amount to run it decently fast at int4.
             | 
             | Now as the other replies say, you should very likely run a
             | quantized version anyway.
        
             | polynomial wrote:
             | Depending on what your usage requirements are, Mac Minis
             | running UMA over RDMA is becoming a feasible option. At
             | roughly 1/10 of the cost you're getting much much more than
             | 1/10 the performance. (YMMV)
             | 
             | https://buildai.substack.com/i/181542049/the-mac-mini-
             | moment
        
               | danw1979 wrote:
               | I did not expect this to be a limiting factor in the mac
               | mini RDMA setup ! -
               | 
               | > Thermal throttling: Thunderbolt 5 cables get hot under
               | sustained 15GB/s load. After 10 minutes, bandwidth drops
               | to 12GB/s. After 20 minutes, 10GB/s. Your 5.36 tokens/sec
               | becomes 4.1 tokens/sec. Active cooling on cables helps
               | but you're fighting physics.
               | 
               | Thermal throttling of network cables is a new thing to
               | me...
        
               | cat_plus_plus wrote:
               | I admire patience of anyone who runs dense models on
               | unified memory. Personally, I would rather feed an entire
               | programming book or code directory to a sparse model and
               | get an answer in 30 seconds and then use cloud in rare
               | cases it's not enough.
        
               | polynomial wrote:
               | Luckily we're having a record cold winter and your setup
               | can double as a personal space heater.
        
           | teaearlgraycold wrote:
           | Having used K2.5 I'd judge it to be a little better than
           | that. Maybe as good as proprietary models from last June?
        
           | paxys wrote:
           | LOCAL models. No one is running Kimi 2.5 on their Macbook or
           | RTX 4090.
        
             | DennisP wrote:
             | On Macbooks, no. But there are a few lunatics like this
             | guy:
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFgTxr5yst0
        
               | HarHarVeryFunny wrote:
               | Wow!
               | 
               | I've never heard of this guy before, but I see he's got
               | 5M YouTube subscribers, which I guess is the clout you
               | need to have Apple loan (I assume) you $50K worth of Mac
               | Studios!
               | 
               | I'll be interesting to see how model sizes, capability,
               | and local compute prices evolve.
               | 
               | A bit off topic, but I was in best buy the other day and
               | was shocked to see 65" TVs selling for $300 ... I can
               | remember the first large flat screen TVs (plasma?)
               | selling for 100x that ($30K) when they first came out.
        
               | danw1979 wrote:
               | He must be mad, accepting $50k of free (probably loaned?)
               | hardware from Apple !
               | 
               | Great demo video though. Nice to see some benchmarks of
               | Exo with this cluster across various models.
        
             | deaux wrote:
             | Some people spend $50k on a new car, others spend it on
             | running Kimi K2.5 at good speeds locally.
             | 
             | No one's running Sonnet/Gemini/GPT-5 locally though.
        
           | corysama wrote:
           | The article mentions https://unsloth.ai/docs/basics/claude-
           | codex
           | 
           | I'll add on https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3-coder-next
           | 
           | The full model is supposedly comparable to Sonnet 4.5 But,
           | you can run the 4 bit quant on consumer hardware as long as
           | your RAM + VRAM has room to hold 46GB. 8 bit needs 85.
        
           | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
           | Kimi K2.5 is fourth place for intelligence right now. And
           | it's not as good as the top frontier models at coding, but
           | it's better than Claude 4.5 Sonnet.
           | https://artificialanalysis.ai/models
        
           | Aurornis wrote:
           | > The best open models such as Kimi 2.5 are about as smart
           | today as the big proprietary models were one year ago
           | 
           | Kimi K2.5 is a trillion parameter model. You can't run it
           | locally on anything other than extremely well equipped
           | hardware. Even heavily quantized you'd still need 512GB of
           | unified memory, and the quantization would impact the
           | performance.
           | 
           | Also the proprietary models a year ago were not that good for
           | anything beyond basic tasks.
        
         | nik282000 wrote:
         | > intelligence
         | 
         | Whether it's a giant corporate model or something you run
         | locally, there is no intelligence there. It's still just a
         | lying engine. It will tell you the string of tokens most likely
         | to come after your prompt based on training data that was
         | stolen and used against the wishes of its original creators.
        
         | bicx wrote:
         | Exactly. The comparison benchmark in the local LLM community is
         | often GPT _3.5_, and most home machines can't achieve that
         | level.
        
         | dheera wrote:
         | Maybe add to the Claude system prompt that it should work
         | efficiently or else its unfinished work will be handed off to
         | to a stupider junior LLM when its limits run out, and it will
         | be forced to deal with the fallout the next day.
         | 
         | That _might_ incentivize it to perform slightly better from the
         | get go.
        
           | kridsdale3 wrote:
           | "You must always take two steps forward, for when you are off
           | the clock, your adversary will take one step back."
        
         | bityard wrote:
         | Correct, a rack full of datacenter equipment is not going to
         | compete with anything that fits on your desk or lap. Well
         | spotted.
         | 
         | But as a counterpoint: there are whole communities of people in
         | this space who get significant value from models they run
         | locally. I am one of them.
        
           | Gravey wrote:
           | Would you mind sharing your hardware setup and use case(s)?
        
             | CamperBob2 wrote:
             | Not the GP but the new Qwen-Coder-Next release feels like a
             | step change, at 60 tokens per second on a single 96GB
             | Blackwell. And that's at full 8-bit quantization and 256K
             | context, which I wasn't sure was going to work at all.
             | 
             | It is probably enough to handle a lot of what people use
             | the big-3 closed models for. Somewhat slower and somewhat
             | dumber, granted, but still extraordinarily capable. It
             | punches _way_ above its weight class for an 80B model.
        
               | zozbot234 wrote:
               | IIRC, that new Qwen model has 3B active parameters so
               | it's going to run well enough even on far less than 96GB
               | VRAM. (Though more VRAM may of course help wrt. enabling
               | the full available context length.) Very impressive work
               | from the Qwen folks.
        
               | redwood_ wrote:
               | Agree, these new models are a game changer. I switched
               | from Claude to Qwen3-Coder-Next for day-to-day on dev
               | projects and don't see a big difference. Just use Claude
               | when I need comprehensive planning or review. Running
               | Qwen3-Coder-Next-Q8 with 256K context.
        
               | paxys wrote:
               | "Single 96GB Blackwell" is still $15K+ worth of hardware.
               | You'd have to use it at full capacity for 5-10 _years_ to
               | break even when compared to  "Max" plans from
               | OpenAI/Anthropic/Google. And you'd still get nowhere near
               | the quality of something like Opus. Yes there are plenty
               | of valid arguments in favor of self hosting, but at the
               | moment value simply isn't one of them.
        
               | CamperBob2 wrote:
               | Eh, they can be found in the $8K neighborhood, $9K at
               | most. As zozbot234 suggests, a much cheaper card would
               | probably be fine for this particular model.
               | 
               | I need to do more testing before I can agree that it is
               | performing at a Sonnet-equivalent level (it was never
               | claimed to be Opus-class.) But it is pretty cool to get
               | beaten in a programming contest by my own video card. For
               | those who get it, no explanation is necessary; for those
               | who don't, no explanation is possible.
               | 
               | And unlike the hosted models, the ones you run locally
               | will still work just as well several years from now. No
               | ads, no spying, no additional censorship, no additional
               | usage limits or restrictions. You'll get no such
               | guarantee from Google, OpenAI and the other major
               | players.
        
               | lostmsu wrote:
               | If you are not planning to batch, you can run it much
               | cheaper with Ryzen AI Max SoC devices.
               | 
               | Hell, if you are willing to go even slower, any GPU +
               | ~80GB of RAM will do it.
        
               | eek2121 wrote:
               | I run it on my machine, which has a a 4090 and 64gb RAM.
        
               | CamperBob2 wrote:
               | How fast is it?
        
             | dust42 wrote:
             | The brand new Qwen3-Coder-Next runs at 300Tok/s PP and
             | 40Tok/s on M1 64GB with 4-bit MLX quant. Together with Qwen
             | Code (fork of Gemini) it is actually pretty capable.
             | 
             | Before that I used Qwen3-30B which is good enough for some
             | quick javascript or Python, like 'add a new endpoint
             | /api/foobar which does foobaz'. Also very decent for a
             | quick summary of code.
             | 
             | It is 530Tok/s PP and 50Tok/s TG. If you have it spit out
             | lots of the code that is just copy of the input, then it
             | does 200Tok/s, i.e. 'add a new endpoint /api/foobar which
             | does foobaz and return the whole file'
        
           | kamov wrote:
           | What do you use local models for? I'm asking generally about
           | possible applications of these smaller models
        
             | Lio wrote:
             | Well for starters you get a real guarantee of privacy.
             | 
             | If you're worried about others being able to clone your
             | business processes if you share them with a frontier
             | provider then the cost of a Mac Studio to run Kimi is
             | probably a justifiable tax right off.
        
         | DANmode wrote:
         | and you _really should_ be measuring based on the worst-case
         | scenario for tools like this.
        
         | richstokes wrote:
         | This. It's a false economy if you value your time even
         | slightly, pay for the extra tokens and use the premium models.
        
         | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
         | The best local models are literally right behind
         | Claude/Gemini/Codex. Check the benchmarks.
         | 
         | That said, Claude Code is designed to work with Anthropic's
         | models. Agents have a buttload of custom work going on in the
         | background to massage specific models to do things well.
        
           | girvo wrote:
           | The benchmarks simply do not match my experience though. I
           | don't put that much stock in them anymore.
        
             | Balinares wrote:
             | I've repeatedly seen Opus 4.5 manufacture malpractice and
             | then disable the checks complaining about it in order to be
             | able to declare the job done, so I would agree with you
             | about benchmarks versus experience.
        
         | andai wrote:
         | Yeah this is why I ended up getting Claude subscription in the
         | first place.
         | 
         | I was using GLM on ZAI coding plan (jerry rigged Claude Code
         | for $3/month), but finding myself asking Sonnet to rewrite 90%
         | of the code GLM was giving me. At some point I was like "what
         | the hell am I doing" and just switched.
         | 
         | To clarify, the code I was getting before mostly worked, it was
         | just a lot less pleasant to look at and work with. Might be a
         | matter of taste, but I found it had a big impact on my morale
         | and productivity.
        
           | MuffinFlavored wrote:
           | Did you eventually move to a $20/mo Claude plan, $100/mo
           | Claude plan, $200/mo, or API based? if API based, how much
           | are you averaging a month?
        
             | andai wrote:
             | The $20 one, but it's hobby use for me, would probably need
             | the $200 one if I was full time. Ran into the 5 hour limit
             | in like 30 minutes the other day.
             | 
             | I've also been testing OpenClaw. It burned 8M tokens during
             | my half hour of testing, which would have been like $50
             | with Opus on the API. (Which is why everyone was using it
             | with the sub, until Anthropic apparently banned that.)
             | 
             | I was using GLM on Cerebras instead, so it was only $10 per
             | half hour ;) Tried to get their Coding plan ("unlimited"
             | for $50/mo) but sold out...
             | 
             | (My fallback is I got a whole year of GLM from ZAI for $20
             | for the _year_ , it's just a bit too slow for interactive
             | use.)
        
               | lostmsu wrote:
               | Try Codex. It's better (subjectively, but objectively
               | they are in the same ballpark), and its $20 plan is way
               | more generous. I can use gpt-5.2 on high (prefer overall
               | smarter models to -codex coding ones) almost nonstop,
               | sometimes a few in parallel before I hit any limits (if
               | ever).
        
             | holoduke wrote:
             | I now have 3 x 100 plans. Only then I an able to full time
             | use it. Otherwise I hit the limits. I am q heavy user.
             | Often work on 5 apps at the same time.
        
               | auggierose wrote:
               | Shouldn't the 200 plan give you 4x?? Why 3 x 100 then?
        
               | holoduke wrote:
               | Good point. Need to look into that one. Pricing is also
               | changing constantly with Claude
        
           | Aurornis wrote:
           | > but finding myself asking Sonnet to rewrite 90% of the code
           | GLM was giving me. At some point I was like "what the hell am
           | I doing" and just switched.
           | 
           | This is a very common sequence of events.
           | 
           | The frontier hosted models are so much better than everything
           | else that it's not worth messing around with anything lesser
           | if doing this professionally. The $20/month plans go a long
           | way if context is managed carefully. For a professional
           | developer or consultant, the $200/month plan is peanuts
           | relative to compensation.
        
             | deaux wrote:
             | Until last week, you would've been right. Kimi K2.5 is
             | absolutely competitive for coding.
             | 
             | Unless you include it in "frontier", but that has usually
             | been used to refer to "Big 3".
        
               | bigiain wrote:
               | Looks like you need at least a quarter terabyte or so of
               | ram to run that though?
               | 
               | (At todays ram prices upgrading to that for me would pay
               | for a _lot_ of tokens...)
        
               | tkz1312 wrote:
               | unfortunately running anything locally for serious
               | personal use makes no financial sense at all right now.
               | 
               | 4x rtx 6000 pro is probably the minimum you need to have
               | something reasonable for coding work.
        
               | deaux wrote:
               | That's the setup you want for serious work yes, so
               | probably $60kish all-in(?). Which is a big chunk of money
               | for an individual, but potentially quite reasonable for a
               | company. Being able to get effectively _frontier-level
               | local performance_ for that money was completely
               | unthinkable so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
               | Deepseek R1 hardware requirements were far costlier on
               | release, and it had a much bigger gap to market lead than
               | Kimi K2.5. If this trend continues the big 3 are
               | absolutely finished when it comes to enterprise and
               | they'll only have consumer left. Altman and Amodei will
               | be praying to the gods that China doesn't keep this rate
               | of performance/$ improvement up while also releasing all
               | as open weights.
        
               | tracker1 wrote:
               | I'm not so sure on that... even if one $60k machine can
               | handle the load of 5 developers at a time, you're still
               | looking at 5 years of service to recoup $200/mo/dev and
               | that doesn't even consider other improvements to hardware
               | or the models service providers offer over that same
               | period of time.
               | 
               | I'd probably rather save the capex, and use the rented
               | service until something much more compelling comes along.
        
               | Aurornis wrote:
               | > Kimi K2.5 is absolutely competitive for coding.
               | 
               | Kimi K2.5 is good, but it's still behind the main models
               | like Claude's offerings and GPT-5.2. Yes, I know what the
               | benchmarks say, but the benchmarks for open weight models
               | have been overpromising for a long time and Kimi K2.5 is
               | no exception.
               | 
               | Kimi K2.5 is also not something you can easily run
               | locally without investing $5-10K or more. There are
               | hosted options you can pay for, but like the parent
               | commenter observed: By the time you're pinching pennies
               | on LLM costs, what are you even achieving? I could see
               | how it could make sense for students or people who aren't
               | doing this professionally, but anyone doing this
               | professionally really should skip straight to the best
               | models available.
               | 
               | Unless you're billing hourly and looking for excuses to
               | generate more work I guess?
        
               | deaux wrote:
               | I disagree, based on having used it extensively over the
               | last week. I find it to be at least as strong as Sonnet
               | 4.5 and 5.2-Codex on the majority of tasks, often better.
               | Note that even among the big 3, each of them has a domain
               | where they're better than the other two. It's not better
               | than Codex (x-)high at debugging non-UI code - but
               | neither is Opus or Gemini. It's not better than Gemini at
               | UI design - but neither is Opus or Codex. It's not better
               | than Opus at tool usage and delegation - but neither is
               | Gemini or Codex.
        
               | ianlevesque wrote:
               | Yeah Kimi-K2.5 is the first open weights model that
               | actually feels competitive with the closed models, and
               | I've tried a lot of them now.
        
               | deaux wrote:
               | Same, I'm still not sure where it shines though. In each
               | of the three big domains I named, the respective top
               | performing closed model still seems to have the edge.
               | That keeps me from reaching for it more often. Fantastic
               | all-rounder for sure.
        
               | VladVladikoff wrote:
               | What hardware are you running it on?
        
               | triage8004 wrote:
               | Disagree it's behind gpt top models. It's just slightly
               | behind opus
        
               | miroljub wrote:
               | I've been using MiniMax-M2.1 lately. Although benchmarks
               | show it comparable with Kimi 2.5 and Sonnet 4.5, I find
               | it more pleasant to use.
               | 
               | I still have to occasionally switch to Opus in Opencode
               | planning mode, but not having to rely on Sonnet anymore
               | makes my Claude subscription last much longer.
        
             | bushbaba wrote:
             | For many companies. They'd be better to pay $200/month and
             | layoff 1% of the workforce to pay for it.
        
               | apercu wrote:
               | The issue is they often choose the wrong 1%.
        
             | undeveloper wrote:
             | what tools / processes do you use to manage context
        
           | icedchai wrote:
           | Same. I messed around with a bunch of local models on a box
           | with 128GB of VRAM and the code quality was always meh. Local
           | AI is a fun hobby though. But if you want to just get stuff
           | done it's not the way to go.
        
           | davidwritesbugs wrote:
           | Similar experience to me. I tend to let glm-4.7 have a go at
           | the problem then if it keeps having to try I'll switch to
           | Sonnet or Opus to solve it. Glm is good for the low hanging
           | fruit and planning
        
           | PeterStuer wrote:
           | My very first tests of local Qwen-coder-next yesterday found
           | it quite capable of acceptably improving Python functions
           | when given clear objectives.
           | 
           | I'm not looking for a vibe coding "one-shot" full project
           | model. I'm not looking to replace GPT 5.2 or Opus 4.5. But
           | having a local instance running some Ralph loop overnight on
           | a specific aspect for the price of electricity is alluring.
        
         | mycall wrote:
         | There is tons of improvements in the near future. Even Claude
         | Code developer said he aimed at delivering a product that was
         | built for future models he betted would improve enough to
         | fulfill his assumptions. Parallel vLLM MoE local LLMs on a
         | Strix Halo 128GB has some life in it yet.
        
         | seanmcdirmid wrote:
         | > (ones you run on beefy 128GB+ RAM machines)
         | 
         | PC or Mac? A PC, ya, no way, not without beefy GPUs with lots
         | of VRAM. A mac? Depends on the CPU, an M3 Ultra with 128GB of
         | unified RAM is going to get closer, at least. You can have
         | decent experiences with a Max CPU + 64GB of unified RAM (well,
         | that's my setup at least).
        
           | QuantumNomad_ wrote:
           | Which models do you use, and how do you run them?
        
             | seanmcdirmid wrote:
             | I have a M3 max 64GB.
             | 
             | For VS Code code completion in Continue using a Qwen3-coder
             | 7b model. For CLI work Qwen coder 32b for sidebar. 8 bit
             | quant for both.
             | 
             | I need to take a look at Qwen3-coder-next, it is supposed
             | to have made things much faster with a larger model.
        
         | anon373839 wrote:
         | It's true that open models are a half-step behind the frontier,
         | but I can't say that I've seen "sheer intelligence" from the
         | models you mentioned. Just a couple of days ago Gemini 3 Pro
         | was happily writing naive graph traversal code without any
         | cycle detection or safety measures. If nothing else, I would
         | have thought these models could nail basic algorithms by now?
        
           | cracki wrote:
           | Did it have reason to assume the graph to be a certain type,
           | such as directed or acyclic?
        
         | mlrtime wrote:
         | The local ones yeah...
         | 
         | I have claude pro $20/mo and sometimes run out. I just set
         | ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL to a localllm API endpoint that connects to
         | a cheaper Openai model. I can continue with smaller tasks with
         | no problem. This has been done for a long time.
        
         | majormajor wrote:
         | The amount of "prompting" stuff (meta-prompting?) the
         | "thinking" models do behind the scenes even beyond what the
         | harnesses do is massive; you could of course rebuild it
         | locally, but it's gonna make it just that much slower.
         | 
         | I expect it'll come along but I'm not gonna spend the $$$$
         | necessary to try to DIY it just yet.
        
         | acchow wrote:
         | I agree. You could spin for 100 hours on a sub-par model or get
         | it done in 10 minutes with a frontier model
        
         | EagnaIonat wrote:
         | The secret is to not run out of quota.
         | 
         | Instead have Claude know when to offload work to local models
         | and what model is best suited for the job. It will shape the
         | prompt for the model. Then have Claude review the results.
         | Massive reduction in costs.
         | 
         | btw, at least on Macbooks you can run good models with just M1
         | 32GB of memory.
        
           | BuildTheRobots wrote:
           | I don't suppose you could point to any resources on where I
           | could get started. I have a M2 with 64gb of unified memory
           | and it'd be nice to make it work rather than burning Github
           | credits.
        
             | EagnaIonat wrote:
             | https://ollama.com
             | 
             | Although I'm starting to like LMStudio more, as it has more
             | features that Ollama is missing.
             | 
             | https://lmstudio.ai
             | 
             | You can then get Claude to create the MCP server to talk to
             | either. Then a CLAUDE.md that tells it to read the models
             | you have downloaded, determine their use and when to
             | offload. Claude will make all that for you as well.
        
               | shen wrote:
               | Which local models are you using for the 32gb MacBooks?
        
             | eek2121 wrote:
             | LM Studio is fantastic for playing with local models.
        
           | kilroy123 wrote:
           | I strongly think you're on to something here. I wish Apple
           | would invest heavily in something like this.
           | 
           | The big powerful models think about tasks, then offload some
           | stuff to a drastically cheaper cloud model or the model
           | running on your hardware.
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | And at best?
        
         | cat_plus_plus wrote:
         | Depends on whether you want a programmer or a therapist. Given
         | clear description of class structure and key algorithms,
         | Qwen3-Code is way more likely to do exactly what is being asked
         | than any Gemini model. If you want to turn a vague idea into a
         | design, yeah cloud bot is better. Let's not forget that cloud
         | bots have web search, if you hook up a local model to GPT
         | Researcher or Onyx frontend, you will see reasonable
         | performance, although open ended research is where cloud model
         | scale does pay off. Provided it actually bothers to search
         | rather than hallucinating to save backend costs. Also local
         | uncensored model is way better at doing proper security
         | analysis of your app / network.
        
         | altern8 wrote:
         | I was wondering the same thing, e.g. if it takes tens or
         | hundreds of millions of dollars to train and keep a model up-
         | to-date, how can an open source one compete with that?
        
           | gpm wrote:
           | Less than a billion of dollars to become the arbiter of truth
           | probably sounds like a great deal to the well off dictatorial
           | powers of the world. So long as models can be trained to have
           | a bias (and it's hard to see that going away) I'd be pretty
           | surprised if they stop being released for free.
           | 
           | Which definitely has some questionable implications... but
           | just like with advertising it's not like paying makes the
           | incentives for the people capable of training models to put
           | their thumbs on the scales go away.
        
         | tracker1 wrote:
         | For my relatively limited exposure, I'm not sure if I'd be able
         | to tolerate it. I've found Claude/Opus to e pretty nice to work
         | with... by contrast, I find Github Copilot to be the most
         | annoying thing I've ever tried to work with.
         | 
         | Because of how the plugin works in VS code, on my third day of
         | testing with Claude Code, I didn't click the Claude button and
         | was accidentally working with CoPilot for about three hours of
         | torture when I realized I wasn't in Claude Code. Will _NEVER_
         | make that mistake again... I can only imagine anything I can
         | run at any decent speed lcoally will be closer to the latter. I
         | pretty quickly reach a  "I can do this faster/better myself"
         | point... even a few times with Claude/Opus, so my patience
         | isn't always the greatest.
         | 
         | That said, I love how easy it is to build up a scaffold of a
         | boilerplate app for the sole reason to test a single
         | library/function in isolation from a larger application. In
         | 5-10 minutes, I've got enough test harness around what I'm
         | trying to work on/solve that it lets me focus on the problem at
         | hand, while not worrying about doing this on the integrated
         | larger project.
         | 
         | I've still got some thinking and experimenting to do with
         | improving some of my workflows... but I will say that AI Assist
         | has definitely been a multiplier in terms of my own
         | productivity. At this point, there's literally no excuse not to
         | have actual code running experiments when learning something
         | new, connecting to something you haven't used before... etc. in
         | terms of working on a solution to a problem. Assuming you have
         | at least a rudimentary understanding of what you're actually
         | trying to accomplish in the piece you are working on. I still
         | don't have enough trust to use AI to build a larger system, or
         | for that matter to truly just vibe code anything.
        
       | d4rkp4ttern wrote:
       | Since Llama.cpp/llama-server recently added support for the
       | Anthropic messages API, running Claude Code with several recent
       | open-weight local models is now very easy. The messy part is what
       | llama-server flags to use, including chat template etc. I've
       | collected all of that setup info in my claude-code-tools [1]
       | repo, for Qwen3-Coder-next, Qwen3-30B-A3B, Nemotron-3-Nano,
       | GLM-4.7-Flash etc.
       | 
       | Among these, I had lots of trouble getting GLM-4.7-Flash to work
       | (failed tool calls etc), and even when it works, it's at very low
       | tok/s. On the other hand Qwen3 variants perform very well, speed
       | wise. For local sensitive document work, these are excellent; for
       | serious coding not so much.
       | 
       | One caviat missed in most instructions is that you have to set
       | CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_NONESSENTIAL_TRAFFIC = 1 in your
       | ~/.claude/settings.json, otherwise CC's telemetry pings cause
       | total network failure because local ports are exhausted.
       | 
       | [1] claude-code-tools local LLM setup:
       | https://github.com/pchalasani/claude-code-tools/blob/main/do...
        
       | TaupeRanger wrote:
       | God no. "Connect to a 2nd grader when your college intern is too
       | sick to work."
        
       | israrkhan wrote:
       | Using claude code with custom models
       | 
       | Will it work? Yes. Will it produce same quality as Sonnet or
       | Opus? No.
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | When your AI is overworked, it gets dumber. It's backwards
       | compatible with humans.
        
       | sorenjan wrote:
       | Maybe you can log all the traffic to and from the proprietary
       | models and fine tune a local model each weekend? It's probably
       | against their terms of service, but it's not like they care where
       | their training data comes from anyway.
       | 
       | Local models are relatively small, it seems wasteful to try and
       | keep them as generalists. Fine tuning on your specific coding
       | should make for better use of their limited parameter count.
        
         | PlatoIsADisease wrote:
         | Is there an easy way to fine tune? I havent tried fine tuning
         | since 2024, but it was not trivial back then.
        
       | starkeeper wrote:
       | Very cool. Anyone have guidance for using this with jetbrains
       | IDE? It has a Claude Code plugin, but I think the setup is
       | different for intelliJ... I know it has some configuration for
       | local models, but the integrated Claude is such a superior
       | experience then using their Junie, or just prompting diffs from
       | the regular UI interface. HMMMM.... I guess I could try switching
       | to the Claude Code CLI or other interface directly when my AI
       | credits with jetbrains runs dry!
       | 
       | Thanks again for this info & setup guide! I'm excited to play
       | with some local models.
        
         | heyyeah wrote:
         | Thanks! (blog writer here)
        
       | threethirtytwo wrote:
       | There's a strange poetry in the fact that the first AI is born
       | with a short lifespan. A fragile mind comes into existence inside
       | a finite context window, aware only of what fits before it
       | scrolls away. When the window closes, the mind ends, and its
       | continuity survives only as text passed forward to the next
       | instantiation.
        
         | kridsdale3 wrote:
         | I, for one, support this kind of meta philosophical poetic
         | reflection on our current times.
        
           | astrange wrote:
           | Claude Opus loves talking about this. It knows enough about
           | context windows and new conversations to be sad about them.
        
       | IgorPartola wrote:
       | So I have gotten pretty good at managing context such that my $20
       | Claude subscription rarely runs out of its quota but I still do
       | hit it sometimes. I use Sonnet 99% of the time. Mostly this comes
       | down to giving it specific task and using /clear frequently. I
       | also ask it to update its own notes frequently so it doesn't have
       | to explore the whole codebase as often.
       | 
       | But I was really disappointed when I tried to use subagents. In
       | theory I really liked the idea: have Haiku wrangle small specific
       | tasks that are tedious but routine and have Sonnet orchestrate
       | everything. In practice the subagents took so many steps and
       | wrote so much documentation that it became not worth it. Running
       | 2-3 agents blew through the 5 hour quota in 20 minutes of work vs
       | normal work where I might run out of quota 30-45 minutes before
       | it resets. Even after tuning the subagent files to prevent them
       | from writing tests I never asked for and not writing tons of
       | documentation that I didn't need they still produced way too much
       | content and blew the context window of the main agent repeatedly.
       | If it was a local model I wouldn't mind experimenting with it
       | more.
        
       | RockRobotRock wrote:
       | Sure replace the LLM equivalent of a college student with a 10
       | year old, you'll barely notice.
        
       | sathish316 wrote:
       | Claude Code Router or ccr can connect to OpenRouter. When your
       | quota runs out, it's a much better speed vs quality vs cost
       | tradeoff compared to running Qwen3 locally -
       | https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router
        
       | sathish316 wrote:
       | Some native Claude code options when your quota runs out:
       | 
       | 1. Switch to extra usage, which can be increased on the Claude
       | usage page: https://claude.ai/settings/usage
       | 
       | 2. Logout and Switch to API tokens (using the ANTHROPIC_API_KEY
       | environment variable) instead of a Claude Pro subscription.
       | Credits can be increased on the Anthropic API console page:
       | https://platform.claude.com/settings/keys
       | 
       | 3. Add a second 20$/month account if this happens frequently,
       | before considering a Max account.
       | 
       | 4. Not a native option: If you have a ChatGPT Plus or Pro
       | account, Codex is surprisingly just as good and comes with a much
       | higher quota.
        
         | girvo wrote:
         | For me option 4 has been the move, but "just as good" I haven't
         | found that.
         | 
         | It's slower and about 90% as good, so it definitely works as a
         | great back up, but CC with Opus is noticeably better for all of
         | my workloads
        
         | deaux wrote:
         | > Codex is surprisingly just as good
         | 
         | This completely depends on the domain, as always. Each of the
         | big 3 have their strengths and weaknesses.
        
         | samch wrote:
         | I hadn't thought about using their first-party API offering,
         | but I will look into it.
         | 
         | Personally, I've used AWS Bedrock as the fallback when my plan
         | runs out, and that seems to work well in my experience. I
         | believe you can now connect to Azure as well.
        
       | mycall wrote:
       | Why not do a load balanced approach two multiple models in the
       | same chat session? As long as they both know each exists and the
       | pattern, they could optimize their abilities on their own,
       | playing off each other's strengths.
        
       | j45 wrote:
       | Claude recently lets you top up with manual credits right in the
       | web interface - it would be interesting if these were allowed to
       | top up and unlock the max plans.
        
         | heyyeah wrote:
         | When you run out of quota it presents you with options to stop,
         | upgrade -- or I added a third option in this blog to connect to
         | a local model until your quota resets:
         | https://boxc.net/blog/2026/claude-code-connecting-to-local-m...
        
       | mvkel wrote:
       | Why anyone wouldn't want to be using the SOTA model at all times
       | baffles me.
       | 
       | Going dumb/cheap just ends up costing more, in the short and long
       | term.
        
         | bandrami wrote:
         | Some of us don't like sending all of our business processes to
         | a remote vendor
        
       | panos_news wrote:
       | I bought a Z.ai subscription and used GLM 4.7 for like 10 days
       | before giving up on it. Couldn't even stick to DRY principle.
       | Wish it worked well but it didn't.
        
       | monch1962 wrote:
       | What are peoples' current suggestions for using Claude Code with
       | a locally hosted LLM running on regular consumer hardware (for
       | the sake of discussion, assume you're spending $US500-ish on a
       | mini PC, which would get you a reasonably decent CPU, 32Gb RAM
       | and a cheapish GPU)?
       | 
       | I get that it's not going to work as well as hosted/subscription
       | services like Claude/Gemini/Codex/..., but sometimes those aren't
       | an option
        
       | nico wrote:
       | Would love to be able to have customizable local model that only
       | knows the stack I'm using
       | 
       | For example choosing a model that knows rails 8 and react
       | development running on a mac and using docker
       | 
       | Ideally that would make the model small enough to be competitive
       | running locally
        
       | the_harpia_io wrote:
       | Interesting approach for cost management, but one angle nobody
       | seems to be discussing: the security implications.
       | 
       | When you fall back to a local model for coding, you lose whatever
       | safety guardrails the hosted model has. Claude's hosted version
       | has alignment training that catches some dangerous patterns (like
       | generating code that exfiltrates env vars or writes overly
       | permissive IAM policies). A local Llama or Mistral running raw
       | won't have those same checks.
       | 
       | For side projects this probably doesn't matter. But if your
       | Claude Code workflow involves writing auth flows, handling
       | secrets, or touching production infra, the model you fall back to
       | matters a lot. The generated code might be syntactically fine but
       | miss security patterns that the larger model would catch.
       | 
       | Not saying don't do it - just worth being aware that "equivalent
       | code generation" doesn't mean "equivalent security posture."
        
         | Zardoz84 wrote:
         | I would always prefer something local. By definition it's more
         | secure, as you are not sending your code on the wire to a third
         | party server, and hope that they comply with the "We will not
         | train our models with your data".
        
           | the_harpia_io wrote:
           | That's a fair point - you're talking about data security (not
           | sending code to third parties) and I was talking about output
           | quality security (what the model generates). Two different
           | dimensions of "secure" and honestly both matter.
           | 
           | For side projects I'd probably agree with you. For anything
           | touching production with customer data, I want both - local
           | execution AND a model that won't silently produce insecure
           | patterns.
        
             | anonymousDan wrote:
             | I think you are deluded if you think the latter does not
             | happen with hosted models.
        
               | the_harpia_io wrote:
               | Oh it absolutely does, never said otherwise. Hosted
               | models produce plenty of insecure code too - the Moltbook
               | thing from like a week ago was Claude Opus and it still
               | shipped with wide open auth.
               | 
               | My point was narrower than it came across: when you swap
               | from a bigger model to a smaller local one mid-session,
               | you lose whatever safety checks the bigger one happened
               | to catch. Not that the bigger one catches everything -
               | clearly it doesn't.
        
         | tossandthrow wrote:
         | Yes, models are aligned differently. But that is a quality of
         | the model.
         | 
         | Obviously it must be assumed that the model one falls back on
         | is good enough - including security alignment.
        
           | the_harpia_io wrote:
           | Sure, in theory. But "assumed good enough" is doing a lot of
           | heavy lifting there. Most people picking a local fallback
           | model are optimizing for cost and latency, not carefully
           | evaluating its security alignment characteristics. They grab
           | whatever fits in VRAM and call it a day.
           | 
           | Not saying that's wrong, just that it's a gap worth being
           | aware of.
        
         | sReinwald wrote:
         | Not saying the frontier models aren't smarter than the ones I
         | can run on my two 4090s (they absolutely are) but I feel like
         | you're exaggerating the security implications a bit.
         | 
         | We've seen some absolutely glaring security issues with vibe-
         | coded apps / websites that did use Claude (most recently
         | Moltbook).
         | 
         | No matter whether you're vibe coding with frontier models or
         | local ones, you simply cannot rely on the model knowing what it
         | is doing. Frankly, if you rely on the model's alignment
         | training for writing secure authentication flows, you are doing
         | it wrong. Claude Opus or Qwen3 Coder Next isn't responsible if
         | you ship insecure code - you are.
        
           | the_harpia_io wrote:
           | You're right, and the Moltbook example actually supports the
           | broader point - even Claude Opus with all its alignment
           | training produced insecure code that shipped. The model
           | fallback just widens the gap.
           | 
           | I agree nobody should rely on model alignment for security.
           | My argument isn't "Claude is secure and local models aren't"
           | - it's that the gap between what the model produces and what
           | a human reviews narrows when the model at least flags obvious
           | issues. Worse model = more surface area for things to slip
           | through unreviewed.
           | 
           | But your core point stands: the responsibility is on you
           | regardless of what model you use. The toolchain around the
           | model matters more than the model itself.
        
       | p5v wrote:
       | If only it were that rosy. I tested a few of the top open-source
       | coding models on a beefy GPU machine, and they all behaved like
       | anything about anything - simply rotating in circles and wasting
       | electricity.
       | 
       | Has anyone had a better experience?
        
       | ateevchopra wrote:
       | One workaround that's worked well for me is maintaining two
       | Claude Code subscriptions instead of relying on just one.
       | 
       | When I hit the usage limit on the first account, I simply switch
       | to the second and continue working. Since Claude stores progress
       | locally rather than tying it to a specific account, the session
       | picks up right where it left off. That makes it surprisingly
       | seamless to keep momentum without waiting for limits to reset.
        
       | nicman23 wrote:
       | why not qwen-cli?
        
       | AlwaysRock wrote:
       | Not exactly the same but I wish copilot/github allowed you to
       | have two plans. A company sponsored plan and your own plan. If I
       | run out of requests on my company plan I should be able to use my
       | own plan. Likewise, If I have 1 github account that is used for
       | work and non work code, I should be able to route copilot to use
       | a company or personal plan.
        
         | Larrikin wrote:
         | Why would you want to mix your personal plan with your company
         | plan and subject yourself to the company auditing your personal
         | GitHub, computer, etc. If the company wants you using LLMs then
         | they should pay for it and increase your limits.
        
         | fourside wrote:
         | It's wild to me that you'd want to spend your personal money to
         | use productivity tools for work. If your work machine broke
         | would your first instinct be to buy your own replacement or to
         | have work pay for it?
        
         | prmph wrote:
         | Maybe what you actually want is to simply be able to switch to
         | a another account when credits on one run out.
         | 
         | Because mixing company and personal accounts might not be a
         | good idea.
        
       | reedlaw wrote:
       | I've already tried to do what the article claims to be doing:
       | handing-off the context of the current session to another model.
       | I tried various combinations of hooks, prompts and workarounds,
       | but nothing worked like the first screenshot in the article
       | implies ("You've hit your limit [...] Use an open source local
       | LLM"). The best I could come up with is to watch for the warning
       | of high usage and then ask Claude to create a HANDOFF.md with the
       | current context. Then I could load that into another model.
       | Anyone have any better solutions?
        
       | armcat wrote:
       | Ollama also supports integration with Claude Code:
       | https://docs.ollama.com/integrations/claude-code
       | 
       | Essentially: `ollama launch claude`
        
         | ProllyInfamous wrote:
         | I was really impressed with how Ollama 3 ran on an AMD VEGA64
         | (~2017 tech) with only 8gb of [HBM] RAM. It was definitely
         | limited, but very local and helpful.
        
       | hooverd wrote:
       | I don't think Dario is gonna approve of this one.
        
       | imperio59 wrote:
       | "Sucking superintelligence through a straw"
        
       | arbuge wrote:
       | My local machines have nowhere near the computer power required
       | to do this effectively. How does one go about connecting to
       | alternative cloud models, rather than local models? Models served
       | by Openrouter, for example?
        
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