[HN Gopher] Anthropic is Down
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       Anthropic is Down
        
       Author : ersiees
       Score  : 129 points
       Date   : 2026-02-03 15:48 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | yoavsha1 wrote:
       | Both the CC api and their website -- hopefully related to the
       | rumored Sonnet 5 release
        
         | eleventhborn wrote:
         | That will be one strange way to release a model.
        
           | yoavsha1 wrote:
           | I mean, can you expect a vibecoding company to do stuff with
           | 0 downtime? They brought the models down and are now
           | panicking at HQ since there's no one to bring them back up
        
             | nicpottier wrote:
             | This made me laugh only because I imagine there could
             | possibly be some truth to it. This is the world we are in.
             | Maybe they all loaded codex to fix their deploy? ;)
        
         | kachapopopow wrote:
         | it is not, sounds like an issue with AWS
        
         | 8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote:
         | OpenClaw agents on Anthropic API taking an unscheduled coffee
         | break.
        
       | jsnell wrote:
       | Status page: https://status.claude.com/incidents/pr6yx3bfr172
        
       | jwr wrote:
       | I find it a bit annoying that the last place where I can learn
       | about an Anthropic outage is the Anthropic Status page.
        
         | seaal wrote:
         | https://status.claude.com/
         | 
         | what do you mean it's right there. Judging by the Github issues
         | it only took them 10 minutes to add the issue message.
        
           | wild_egg wrote:
           | It took them about 15 minutes to update that page
        
           | jMyles wrote:
           | It appeared there like 5 minutes ago; it was down for at
           | least 20 before that.
           | 
           | That's 20 minutes of millions of people visiting the status
           | page, seeing green, and then spending that time resetting
           | their context, looking at their system and network configs,
           | etc.
           | 
           | It's not a huge deal, but for $200/month it'd be nice if,
           | after the first two-thousand 500s went out (which I imagine
           | is less than 10 seconds), the status page automatically went
           | orange.
        
         | sjm-lbm wrote:
         | As best as I can tell, there was less than 10 minutes from the
         | last successful request I made and when the downtime was added
         | to their status page - and I'm not particularly crazy with my
         | usage or anything, the gap could have been less than that.
         | 
         | Honestly, that seems okay to me. Certainly better than what AWS
         | usually does.
        
       | world2vec wrote:
       | Their website seems fine to me but CC is throwing API error 500.
       | 
       | -edit- CC is back up on my machine
        
       | peter422 wrote:
       | Fortunately before working hours on the west coast so it
       | shouldn't impact that many people.
        
         | esskay wrote:
         | Ah yes, because only the west coast of a single country are the
         | priority for a globally distributed company.
        
           | hk__2 wrote:
           | HN users assuming the US are the only country in the World,
           | episode #53985902582.
        
             | atonse wrote:
             | Only one half of the US :)
             | 
             | Us east coasters here are having a chuckle (what else can
             | we do? we can't get work done while Claude is down... I'll
             | be damned if I have to type in code letter by letter ever
             | again!).
        
               | throwup238 wrote:
               | We all have a chuckle when AWS east is down.
        
         | hackeman300 wrote:
         | I hear you on the west coast, but two thirds of the population
         | lives east of the Mississippi and is in working hours
        
         | mike-cardwell wrote:
         | Just a healthy reminder that places outside of the USA exist.
        
         | gsibble wrote:
         | Yikes man.
        
       | hk__2 wrote:
       | Their GitHub issues are wild; random people are posting the same
       | useless "bug reports" over and over multiple times per minute.
       | 
       | https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues
        
         | atonse wrote:
         | This is the kind of abuse that will cause them to just close
         | GitHub issues.
         | 
         | Or they'll have to put something in the system prompt to handle
         | this special case where it first checks for existing bugs and
         | just upvotes it, rather than creating a new one.
        
           | ddmma wrote:
           | should enable some kind of agent automation
        
           | echelon wrote:
           | The automation of the SWE.
        
           | orphea wrote:
           | I'm not _too_ empathic to Anthropic. They did it to
           | themselves by hyping AI and attracting that kind of people.
           | 
           | And it's not like they have been taking care of issues
           | anyway.
        
         | monsieurbanana wrote:
         | Wow are these submitted automatically by claude code? I'm not
         | comfortable with the level of details they have (user's
         | anthropic email, full path of the project they were working on,
         | stack traces...)
        
           | philipwhiuk wrote:
           | No, but they are submitted by the sort of people who will use
           | AI to write the GitHub issue details
        
           | embedding-shape wrote:
           | Definitively some automation involved, no way the typical
           | user of Claude Code (no offense) would by default put so much
           | details into reporting an issue, especially users who don't
           | seem to understand it's Anthropic's backend that is the issue
           | (given the status code) rather than the client/harness.
        
           | tobyjsullivan wrote:
           | Scanning a few. Some are definitely written by AI but most
           | seem genuinely human (or at least, not claude).
           | 
           | Anecdata: I read five and only found one was AI. Your
           | sampling may vary.
        
           | petters wrote:
           | How could they be? Claude was down
        
           | prodigycorp wrote:
           | I consider revealing my file structure and file paths to be
           | PII so naturally seeing people's comfort with putting all
           | that up there makes me queasy.
        
           | xnorswap wrote:
           | I think claude code has a /bug command which auto-fills those
           | details in a github report.
        
         | phito wrote:
         | Gives you a good window into a vibe coder's mentality. They do
         | not care about anything except what they want to get done. If
         | something is in the way, they will just try to brute force it
         | until it works, not giving a duck if they are being an
         | inconvenience to others. They're not aware of existing
         | guidelines/conventions/social norms and they couldn't care
         | less.
        
           | Forgeties79 wrote:
           | I am starting to get concerned about how much "move fast
           | break things" has basically become the average person's
           | mantra in the US. Or at least it feels that way.
        
             | embedding-shape wrote:
             | You're about a decade+ late to the party, this isn't some
             | movement that happened overnight, it's a slow cultural
             | shift that been happening for quite some time already.
             | Quality and stability used to be valued, judging by what
             | most people and companies put out today, they seem to be
             | focusing on quantity and "seeing what sticks" today
             | instead.
        
               | Forgeties79 wrote:
               | I'm not saying it's a sudden/brand new thing, I think I'm
               | just really seeing the results of the past decade clearly
               | and frequently. LLM usage philosophies really highlight
               | it.
        
               | embedding-shape wrote:
               | > I'm not saying it's a sudden/brand new thing
               | 
               | I was more referencing the whole "I'm starting to worry"
               | while plenty of people been cautiously observing from the
               | side-lines all the trouble "move fast, break things"
               | brought forward, many of them speaking up at the time
               | too.
               | 
               | It's been pretty evident for quite some time, even back
               | in 2016 Facebook was used by the military to incite
               | genocide in Myanmar, yet people were still not really
               | picking up the clues... That's a whole decade ago, times
               | were different, yet things seems the same, that's fucking
               | depressing.
        
           | egeozcan wrote:
           | Could it be that you're creating a stereotype in your head
           | and getting angry about it?
           | 
           | People say these things against any group they dislike. It's
           | so much that these days it feels like most of the social
           | groups are defined by outsiders with the things they dislike
           | about them.
        
             | phito wrote:
             | Well not really, vibe coding is literally brute forcing
             | things until it works, not caring about the details of it.
        
               | charcircuit wrote:
               | So manual programming. Humans don't always get everything
               | perfect the first try either.
        
           | soulofmischief wrote:
           | Are these superpredator vibe coders in the room with us right
           | now?
        
           | stevenpetryk wrote:
           | This sounds like a case of a bias called availability
           | heuristic. It'd be worth remembering that you often don't
           | notice people who are polite and normal nearly as much as
           | people who are rude and obnoxious.
        
           | qbxk wrote:
           | if history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes
           | 
           | does vibe coding rhyme with eternal september?
        
           | falloutx wrote:
           | IF anything, this is good news for Anthropic, they can now
           | bury every open source project with useless isssues and PRs
        
         | nerdjon wrote:
         | There has to be some sort of automation making these issues, to
         | many of them are identical but posted by different people.
         | 
         | Also love how many have the "I searched for issues" checked
         | which is clearly a lie.
         | 
         | Does Claude code make issue reports automatically? (And then
         | how exactly would it be doing that if Anthropic was down when
         | the use of LLM in the report is obvious )
        
         | cing wrote:
         | Github issues will be the real social network for AI agents, no
         | humans allowed!
        
         | jscheel wrote:
         | and every single one of them checked "I have searched existing
         | issues and this hasn't been reported yet"
        
           | david422 wrote:
           | A long time ago I was taking flight lessons and I was going
           | through the takeoff checklist. I was going through each item,
           | but my instructor had to remind me that I am not just reading
           | the checklist - I need understand/verify each checklist item
           | before moving on. Always stuck with me.
        
             | macintux wrote:
             | A few times a year I have to remind my co-workers that
             | reading & understanding error messages is a critical part
             | of being in the IT business. I'm not perfect in that
             | regard, but the number of times the error message
             | explaining exactly what's wrong and how to solve it is
             | _included in the screenshot they share_ is a little
             | depressing.
        
               | delaminator wrote:
               | Application Error:
               | 
               | The exception illegal instruction
               | 
               | An attempt was made to execute an illegal instruction.
               | 
               | (0xc000001d) occurred in the application at location.
               | 
               | Click on OK to terminate the program.
        
           | kogasa240p wrote:
           | Some of them don't even have error messages.
        
         | nhubbard wrote:
         | I've made a feature request there to add another GitHub Actions
         | bot to auto-close issues reporting errors like this when an
         | outage is happening. Would definitely help to cut through the
         | noise.
         | 
         | https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/22848
        
         | LetsGetTechnicl wrote:
         | That's what happens when people outsource their mental capacity
         | to a machine
        
         | ebonnafoux wrote:
         | It's wild that people check the box
         | 
         | > I have searched existing issues and this hasn't been reported
         | yet
         | 
         | when the first 50 issues are about 500 error.
        
         | hacker_homie wrote:
         | Couldn't have happened to a better Repo, I needed that chuckle.
        
         | kogasa240p wrote:
         | Goes to show that nobody reads error messages and it reminds me
         | of this old blogpost:
         | 
         | > A kid knocks on my office door, complaining that he can't
         | login. 'Have you forgotten your password?' I ask, but he
         | insists he hasn't. 'What was the error message?' I ask, and he
         | shrugs his shoulders. I follow him to the IT suite. I watch him
         | type in his user-name and password. A message box opens up, but
         | the kid clicks OK so quickly that I don't have time to read the
         | message. He repeats this process three times, as if the
         | computer will suddenly change its mind and allow him access to
         | the network. On his third attempt I manage to get a glimpse of
         | the message. I reach behind his computer and plug in the
         | Ethernet cable. He can't use a computer.
         | 
         | http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput...
        
         | falloutx wrote:
         | Thats exactly what they Anthropic deserves (btw they cant even
         | get Anthropic on github lmao, this must be the biggest company
         | having to run with wrong ID on github)
        
       | xd1936 wrote:
       | I was trying to set up OpenClaw and broke it. My bad guys.
        
       | dysoco wrote:
       | Claude Code seems to be back up
        
         | tankenmate wrote:
         | i just checked; no version 5 models listed in claude code yet
        
         | ddmma wrote:
         | is back online
        
       | Jgoauh wrote:
       | its up !
        
       | deanc wrote:
       | Probably everyone refreshing to see if Sonnet5 is out yet :)
        
       | embedding-shape wrote:
       | For folks who have latest version (0.4.1) LM Studio installed, I
       | just noticed they added endpoints for being compatible with
       | Claude Code, maybe this is an excellent moment to play around
       | with local models, if you have the GPU for it. zai-
       | org/glm-4.7-flash (Q4) is supposed to be OK-ish, and should fit
       | within 24GB VRAM. It's not great, but always fun to experiment,
       | and if the API stays down, you have some time to waste :)
        
       | davedx wrote:
       | The great thing about LLMs being more or less commoditized is
       | switching is so easy.
       | 
       | I use Claude Code via the VS Code extension. When I got a couple
       | of 500 errors just now I simply copy pasted my last instructions
       | into Codex and kept going.
       | 
       | It's pretty rare that switching costs are THAT low in technology!
        
         | shermantanktop wrote:
         | It's not a moat, it's a tiny groove on the sidewalk.
         | 
         | I've experienced the same. Even guide markdown files that work
         | well for one model or vendor will work reasonably well for the
         | other.
        
         | skydhash wrote:
         | > It's pretty rare that switching costs are THAT low in
         | technology!
         | 
         | Look harder. Swapping usb devices (mouse,...) takes even less
         | time. Switching wifi is also easy. Switching browser works the
         | same. I can equally use vim/emacs/vscode/sublime/... for
         | programming.
        
           | pchristensen wrote:
           | Switching between vim <-> emacs <-> IDEs is way harder than
           | swapping a USB (unless you already know how to use them).
        
           | NicuCalcea wrote:
           | Most people only have one mouse or Wi-Fi network. If my Wi-Fi
           | goes down, my only other option is to use a mobile hotspot,
           | which is inferior in almost every way.
        
             | oneeyedpigeon wrote:
             | > Most people only have one mouse
             | 
             | Tell me you're not a Mac user without telling me you're not
             | a Mac user...
        
               | crazygringo wrote:
               | Huh?
        
               | oneeyedpigeon wrote:
               | The default Apple mouse needs a backup because it still
               | cannot be charged and used at the same time.
        
               | NicuCalcea wrote:
               | Thankfully, not a Mac user, or even a wireless mouse
               | user.
        
           | ahmadyan wrote:
           | good point, they are standards, by definition society forced
           | vendors to behave and play nice together. LLMs are not
           | standards yet, and it is just pure bliss that english works
           | fine across different LLMs for now. Some labs are trying to
           | push their own format and stop it. Specially around reasoning
           | traces, e.g. codex removing reasoning traces between calls
           | and gemini requiring reasoning history. So don't take this
           | for granted.
        
             | crazygringo wrote:
             | I dunno. Text is a pretty good de facto standard. And they
             | work in lots of languages, not just English.
        
           | whatever1 wrote:
           | I mean sublime died overnight when vscode showed up.
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | You make it sound like lock-in doesn't exist. But your
           | examples are cherry picked. And they're all standards anyway,
           | their _purpose_ was for easy switching between
           | implementations.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Which is exactly why these companies are now all focused on
         | building products rather than (or alongside) improving their
         | base models. Claude Code, Cowork, Gemini CLI/Antigravity, Codex
         | - all proprietary and don't allow model swapping (or do with
         | heavy restrictions). As models get more and more commoditized
         | the idea is to enforce lock-in at the app level instead.
        
           | alecco wrote:
           | FWIW, OpenAI Codex is open source and they help other open
           | source projects like OpenCode to integrate their accounts
           | (not just expensive API), unlike Anthropic who blocked it
           | last month and force people to use their closed source CLI.
        
             | _aavaa_ wrote:
             | The classic commoditize your complements.
        
             | gundmc wrote:
             | Gemini CLI is open source too, though I think the consensus
             | is it's a distant third behind Claude Code and Codex
        
           | bloppe wrote:
           | I only integrate with models via MCP. I highly encourage
           | everybody to do the same to preserve the commodity status
        
         | LetsGetTechnicl wrote:
         | Using "low cost" and LLM's in the same sentence is kind of
         | funny to me.
        
         | harrisi wrote:
         | I genuinely don't know how any of these companies can make
         | extreme profit for this reason. If a company makes a
         | significantly better model, shouldn't it be able to explain how
         | it's better to any competitor?
         | 
         | Google succeeded because it understood the web better than its
         | competitors. I don't see how any of the players in this space
         | could be so much better that they could take over the market.
         | It seems like these companies will create commodities, which
         | can be profitable, but also incredibly risky for early
         | investors and don't make the profits that would be necessary to
         | justify the evaluations of today.
        
           | crazygringo wrote:
           | > _If a company makes a significantly better model, shouldn
           | 't it be able to explain how it's better to any competitor?_
           | 
           | No. Not if it's not trained on any materials that reveal the
           | secret sauce on why it's better.
           | 
           | LLM's don't possess introspection into their own training
           | process or architecture.
        
             | harrisi wrote:
             | That's my point. Anything that could exist that's
             | significantly "better" _would_ be able to share more about
             | its creation. And anything that could be significantly
             | better would _have to be_ capable of  "understanding"
             | things it wasn't trained on.
        
               | crazygringo wrote:
               | That's not true. There are a million ways to be
               | "significantly better" that don't involve knowledge about
               | the model's creation. It can be 10x or 100x or 1000x more
               | accurate at coding, for example, without knowing a single
               | thing more about its own internal training methodology.
        
         | bgirard wrote:
         | The switching cost is so low that I find it's easier and better
         | value to have two $20/mo subscription from different providers
         | than a $200/mo subscription with the frontier model of the
         | month. Reliability and model diversity are a bonus.
        
         | falloutx wrote:
         | on some agents you just switch the model and carry on.
        
         | benterix wrote:
         | Except Kimi Agent via website is hard to replace - I tried the
         | same task in Claude Code, Codex, and Kimi Agent - the results
         | for office tasks are incomparable. The versions from Anthropic
         | and OpenAI are far behind.
        
       | cainxinth wrote:
       | I've had the $20/month account for OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic
       | for months. Anthropic consistently has more downtime and throws
       | more errors than the other two. Claude (on the web) also has a
       | lot of seemingly false positive errors. It will claim an error
       | occurred but then work normally. I genuinely like Claude the best
       | but its performance does not inspire confidence.
        
       | bergheim wrote:
       | Everybody that uses it knows it is down, what value does this
       | add? No context here either. Posts like these feels so much like
       | a low hanging first-to-post-this for karma grab.
       | 
       | It's like.. Popular service is down, let me post that to hn
       | first! Low effort but can still end up popular.
       | 
       | I dunno. Maybe I'm being overly critical. Thoughts?
       | 
       | To add something to the discussion though: this is a reminder why
       | you should not invest in one tool, claude or otherwise. Also,
       | don't go enhancing one of these agents, ond only one of these
       | agents. beads spent the better part of a medium sized country in
       | energy to create a simple TODO list and got smeared in 10 minutes
       | once claude integrated todos in their client.
        
         | zenexer wrote:
         | It's more about the ensuing discussion.
        
         | emsign wrote:
         | I don't use it but I'd like to know even if it's just
         | entertainment value. But I can imgine people who intend to use
         | it learn something from it: redundancy must be part of their
         | strategy like you said.
        
         | romanovcode wrote:
         | Completely agree, not to mention it was down for couple of
         | minutes. Who even cares?
        
         | zamadatix wrote:
         | The usual impetus is that the official status pages habitually
         | under report and sharing the status page showing the best
         | information gives a basis to form a place to have discussion
         | about where/how/why it was down. Unfortunately, many seem to
         | take the other interpretation instead and said discussion often
         | ends up being low quality in a self fulfilling loop of reasons.
         | 
         | The second note probably deserves to be a separate comment.
        
           | bergheim wrote:
           | This is a good take. You are right, they rarely do report
           | actual status.
           | 
           | And yes, it probably should have been :)
        
         | thehamkercat wrote:
         | Everybody who uses anything knows that it's down
         | 
         | So what value does it add saying "X is down" anywhere?
         | 
         | It's just for discussion, you can't just ignore it and not talk
         | about it with anyone if a particular service is down and posts
         | like this are pretty common on hn and i haven't seen anyone
         | complaining, it's you being overly critical, yes
        
           | bergheim wrote:
           | Fair enough!
        
         | nerdjon wrote:
         | Not everyone that interacts with a service is interacting with
         | it directly? How is this a serious question.
         | 
         | A thing called API's exist and if your users rely on it but
         | your not interacting with it directly yourself, seeing this
         | could save you time to investigate an issue.
         | 
         | Or you are using it yourself and seeing this post confirms it
         | is not just you having an issue and you can move on with your
         | day.
         | 
         | This has nothing to do with it being AI and it being a large
         | service. It is the same with posts about an Azure or AWS.
        
           | bergheim wrote:
           | I wasn't using it. I was just on hn. And yes, it is the same
           | about all of these services of course, which was my point.
           | 
           | Not sure how "nothing to do with being a large service" and
           | then you bring up Azure and AWS matches though, but fair
           | enough.
           | 
           | Now I know you guys care, so fair game.
        
       | emsign wrote:
       | Big models are single points of failure. I don't want to rely on
       | those for my business, security, wealth, health and governance.
       | 
       | Why do people have to learn the same lessons over and over again?
       | What makes them forget or blind to the obvious pitfalls?
        
         | rowanseymour wrote:
         | Aren't most developers accessing Anthropic's models via
         | vscode/github? It takes seconds to switch to a different model.
         | Today I'm using Gemini.
        
         | kogasa240p wrote:
         | The entire AI hype was started because Silicon Valley wanted a
         | new SaaS product to keep themselves afloat, notice that LLMs
         | started getting pushed right after Silicon Valley Bank
         | collapsed.
        
       | kaelandt wrote:
       | Now people are opening issues and LLMs are responding in
       | completely nonsensical ways, nice one
       | https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/22843
        
       | yodon wrote:
       | Status page reports it's back up
        
       | acedTrex wrote:
       | If this overly impacts you as an "engineer" beyond "oh thats
       | minorly annoying i'll go do it another way" please do some soul
       | searching.
        
         | couchdb_ouchdb wrote:
         | OR just take some time off from the grind to enjoy your life.
        
         | falloutx wrote:
         | Code quality increased.
        
         | shepherdjerred wrote:
         | I'm sure there are plenty of tools you rely on as an "engineer"
         | as well
        
       | ralusek wrote:
       | What's updog?
        
         | testycool wrote:
         | Not much. Anthropic was down. What's up with you?
        
         | ukuina wrote:
         | Not much, what's up with you?
        
       | gsibble wrote:
       | Signal too
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | Was getting 500 errors from Claude Code this morning but their
       | status page was green. So frustrating that these pages aren't
       | automated, especially considering there are paying users
       | affected.
        
       | faefox wrote:
       | No big deal for people who know how to do their job.
        
         | tankenmate wrote:
         | Unless of course your job is writing an agent that uses an
         | Anthropic model.
        
       | StingyJelly wrote:
       | Seems like a wider issue. Signal is down too, youtube seems to be
       | struggling. Here we go again...
        
       | VladVladikoff wrote:
       | We need an updated XKCD comic where they are sword fighting but
       | instead of "compiling" its "Anthropic is down".
        
       | abrinz wrote:
       | What's updog?
        
         | zhoujianfu wrote:
         | Not much, what's up with you?
        
       | jackinthehat wrote:
       | Yup. SOS
        
       | palcu wrote:
       | Hey folks, I'm Alex from the reliability team at Anthropic. We're
       | sorry for the downtime and we've posted a mini retrospective on
       | our status page. We're also be doing a more in depth
       | retrospective in the following days.
       | 
       | https://status.claude.com/incidents/pr6yx3bfr172
        
       | cirrusfan wrote:
       | Anthropic might have the best product for coding but good god the
       | experience is awful. Random limits where you _know_ you shouldn't
       | hit them yet, the jankiness of their client, the service being
       | down semi-frequently. Feels like the whole infra is built on a
       | house of cards and badly struggles 70% of the time.
       | 
       | I think my $20 openai sub gets me more tokens than claude's $100.
       | I can't wait until google or openai overtake them.
        
         | somewhereoutth wrote:
         | In other news: https://fortune.com/2026/01/29/100-percent-of-
         | code-at-anthro...
        
         | falloutx wrote:
         | Because they update it everyday and the team has not heard
         | about something called stability. This is direct result of Move
         | fast and break too many things all at once.
        
       | EngineerUSA wrote:
       | What does Down mean in this context? I imagine running inference
       | on any server suffices. Just rent AWS since Amazon owns it
       | anyways and keep Claude running.
        
       | Alxc1 wrote:
       | Even when Claude isn't down on status indicator. I get issues
       | with Claude all the time being very slow where it is basically
       | down. I have to kill the request and then restart it. I wonder if
       | it has to do with being on Pro plan. I rarely had this issue when
       | I was on Max
        
       | bastard_op wrote:
       | Yeah using Claude-Desktop is broken current, all my mcp tool
       | calls keep failing and retrying, then it'll work for a bit, and
       | stop again. In just retrying in an Opus chat in desktop to make
       | it finish doing what I started it's wasted 35% of my Pro hourly
       | quota.
       | 
       | This is why I stopped paying for Max until they fix this shit.
        
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