[HN Gopher] The grab list: how museums decide what to save in a ...
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The grab list: how museums decide what to save in a disaster
Author : surprisetalk
Score : 59 points
Date : 2026-01-14 13:52 UTC (4 days ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.economist.com)
| ompogUe wrote:
| They also try to do it by design: The Menil Collection in Houston
| keeps their storage on the top floor to avoid damage from
| Hurricane flooding.
| lexicality wrote:
| https://archive.is/TajtJ (2025)
| Chris2048 wrote:
| I wonder. Would it be possible for any/all submissions to
| _automatically_ generate (and provide) and archive.is
| /archive.org link? @dang
|
| I can't think of any large downsides, it would mean every
| submission would have an available snapshot for the given time,
| and we would no longer need a user comment to provide this.
| rouslyrunn wrote:
| There's a big difference between accepting people will post
| links that just happen to, sometimes get people past paywalls
| - and operationalising that so it's the default behaviour
| Chris2048 wrote:
| Actually I'd say the opposite: If it only happens with
| paywalled sites it's clear that its purpose it to
| circumvent paywalls. If you always do it, It's so there is
| a record of the original site at time of posting.
| technotony wrote:
| It would also help with sites that can't handle the
| hacker News traffic load. Happens all the time
| sidewndr46 wrote:
| didn't google try this with AMP or whatever? It wasn't very
| popular
| appreciatorBus wrote:
| One large downside is that publishers whose paywalls are
| being circumvented by the act of submitting to HN, would
| consider legal action against HN.
| Chris2048 wrote:
| Why isn't that already an issue then? archive.is links
| remain, despite being easy to otherwise detect?
|
| IANAL, but it would seem to me HN couldn't be liable, since
| it is a third party (archive.is/org) caching the site. In
| fact, I always assumed _that 's_ why the links aren't
| removed.
| pgwhalen wrote:
| I'm confident that you didn't realize what you were saying,
| but I really chuckled at "I can't think of any large
| downsides [in institutionalizing a clearly very legally
| questionable practice]".
| Chris2048 wrote:
| Yes, I didn't realize this was a very legally questionable
| practice, let alone clearly. Can you explain why?
| xhkkffbf wrote:
| There's a thing called "copyright" and it's kind of like
| a union, but for people who write or create art. It gives
| them the right to decide who gets to make a copy. Many of
| the best sources of news put up a paywall because it's
| what allows them to pay their reporters. When you make an
| illicit copy without their permission, you undermine
| their ability to make a living. In other words, eat.
| Chris2048 wrote:
| I asked pgwhalen specifically, so chiming in with a
| smug/condescending reply isn't welcome.
|
| It's also IMHO a misplaced or false criticism, per my
| other comments in this thread.
| pgwhalen wrote:
| GP's explanation is better than I would have given and
| didn't seem smug or condescending to me - from my
| perspective it was welcome.
| Chris2048 wrote:
| Your own original had the same problem, so let me play it
| straight; I don't think there is a legal issue, let alone
| a clear one.
|
| You don't think phrasing like "There's a thing called
| 'copyright'", as if I'm not aware of what copyright is,
| isn't condescending?
|
| Now, either of you relate that concept to a suggestion
| that HN link _to_ archive.org
| pgwhalen wrote:
| I'm not interested in having a debate on the legality of
| it which is why I said "legally questionable." It doesn't
| strike me as implausible that you wouldn't know what
| copyright is, if you don't accept the premise that
| linking to the internet archive for any and all paywalled
| contemporary content is at least legally questionable.
| Chris2048 wrote:
| > if you don't accept the premise that ... is at least
| legally questionable.
|
| The premise was that this is _so_ obvious that my naivety
| is funny. But no, you don 't want to debate that point -
| Why would you care to consider otherwise, it's not _you_
| losing face if correct.
|
| Here's an uninvited counterpoint anyway:
|
| https://blog.archive.org/2024/03/01/fair-use-in-action-
| at-th...
|
| You'll also notice that the link in this post
| (https://archive.is/TajtJ) shows a 'log in' button,
| implying that log-in credentials where not used (or
| abused) to get/share this snapshot.
| pgwhalen wrote:
| I don't follow the first paragraph of this comment at
| all, it just seems vaguely antagonistic. You also seem to
| be suggesting I'm taking a view on a debate that I am
| not.
|
| That such a blog post exists at least suggests the legal
| "question" exists, which again is the only thing I said
| in the first place.
| fuzzer371 wrote:
| > You don't think phrasing like "There's a thing called
| 'copyright'", as if I'm not aware of what copyright is,
| isn't condescending?
|
| No, not really. You just seem to be trying to pick a
| fight.
| xhkkffbf wrote:
| Large downsides? How about the news sources going bankrupt?
| Someone has to pay for reporters.
| DetectDefect wrote:
| > Why do I have to complete a CAPTCHA?
|
| > Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you
| temporary access to the web property.
|
| > What can I do to prevent this in the future?
|
| > If you are on a personal connection, like at home, you can
| run an anti-virus scan on your device to make sure it is not
| infected with malware.
|
| Love how actual captcha spyware has turned to victim-blaming to
| justify its existence.
| Arainach wrote:
| If malicious or scraping traffic is coming from your IP, it's
| not victim blaming.
|
| AI has ruined everything good and free for everyone except a
| few oligarchs.
| DetectDefect wrote:
| > If malicious or scraping traffic is coming from your IP,
| it's not victim blaming
|
| But it is not; my IP is a residential address paid for with
| a credit card associated to a human who visits like 6
| websites.
| Arainach wrote:
| The message is stating that you're seeing a Captcha
| because suspicious traffic has come from your network. If
| you're not doing suspicious things, "check that you're
| not infected with malware" is valid feedback.
| DetectDefect wrote:
| No, the message is stating that because I don't allow
| Javascript to fingerprint and commodify my browser. The
| euphemized nonsense about malware is just an insult to
| reason at this point.
| mikestew wrote:
| No, it's because Cloudflare and archive.ph have some
| pissing content going. I forget the details, but it has
| nothing to do with malware on anyone's machine. Somewhere
| on HN someone has given a better explanation, but I'm not
| spelunking for it.
| promiseofbeans wrote:
| The vast majority of website-gate captchas are served by
| cloudflare these days. You can use the privacy pass [0]
| browser extension to skip them. Privacy passes are an open
| standard [1], so you can re-implement it yourself if you
| don't trust that extension.
|
| [0]: https://developers.cloudflare.com/waf/tools/privacy-
| pass/ [1]: RFC 9576 https://www.rfc-
| editor.org/rfc/rfc9576.html, RFC 9577 https://www.rfc-
| editor.org/rfc/rfc9577.html, RFC 9578 https://www.rfc-
| editor.org/rfc/rfc9578.html
| staindk wrote:
| 95% of the time I click the tick box and wiggle my mouse and
| it lets me through without doing a captcha.
|
| I believe they check your mouse for human-like movement as an
| additional factor. Could be wrong but I haven't been bothered
| by many captchas in the last couple years.
| analog31 wrote:
| I have my grab list. People first, then musical instruments.
| jeffrallen wrote:
| I'm gonna throw the NAS with the family backups out the back
| window while running upstairs to get my son.
|
| But yeah, with a bit of planning you can turn it into a yes-and
| situation.
|
| Also: 48 hours. Can you provide for yourself and your neighbor
| for 48 hours without any help from the authorities? Does the
| Kanban card for pasta and tomato sauce always leave 10000
| calories in the pantry? Got firewood, matches, and know where
| the nearest spring is? (This is easier in a culture where we
| still have running fountains with dates like 1780 on them.)
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