[HN Gopher] Open Infrastructure Map
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Open Infrastructure Map
Author : efskap
Score : 408 points
Date : 2026-01-08 03:31 UTC (19 hours ago)
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| efskap wrote:
| I find this site so fascinating, seeing how all the massive power
| lines are hooked up to far-away power plants and gradually have
| their voltage stepped down as they connect to consumers. All the
| undersea cables and pipelines I didn't know about.
| lnsru wrote:
| It's really interesting how perception of openness changes over
| time. During cold war publishing this information would send
| one directly to gulag.
| budding2141 wrote:
| Yeah, and it feels like we're sliding back the same way.
| hommelix wrote:
| With the recent blackout in Berlin, I've heard requests to
| hide these information.
| com wrote:
| Because obscurity works against insider threats and OSint
| /s
| gehsty wrote:
| It's a double edged sword - secrecy leads to accidental
| damage by fishermen & anchors, so generally you want your
| cables and pipes charted.
|
| There are cables not on this map that are uncharted for
| things like acoustic monitoring & finger printing of vessels.
| lnsru wrote:
| I have license for boat and use nautical maps. They show me
| a cable, but not the hierarchy of the infrastructure. I see
| a cable, but can't evaluate if half of town stays without
| electricity or only an island with dozen houses if I damage
| it.
|
| However the available maps do not stop russian ships
| regularly dropping anchors on European infrastructure in
| Baltic see. Obviously charting them does not help. Maybe
| they should stay secret at the end.
| snickerer wrote:
| You can hide the position of the cables from fishermen
| and the public. But if someone knows where they are, it
| is the KGB, I mean, FSB.
|
| We should make information about infrastructure public.
| There was a power outtage in Berlin, due to to an attack
| aginst a 'secret' cable bridge. If the map of cables
| would have been public, then the public may have had a
| chance to realize that having no backup cable is a bad
| idea for critical infrastructure.
| holowoodman wrote:
| There were backup cables. The bridge carried 5 cables,
| redundancy configuration would have been 3+2 afaik. But
| only for purposes of maintenance, not to protect against
| hostile action. For that, one should have taken care to
| not have all redundancies on the same bridge ;)
|
| And in most environments, you cannot hide the location of
| those cables. Either they are visible directly, like all
| overhead power lines. No use in hiding those. And for the
| underground ones, you could try to hide them. But every
| backhoe operator will rightfully want a map of those
| anyways, so the information will come out in some way.
|
| The only environment where hiding this kind of
| infrastructure would be possible is some state-does-
| everything soviet-like police state. Where comrade
| backhoe-operator wouldn't get a map, but he would get
| accompanied by a secret police supervisor who would tell
| him where to dig and where not to.
| jotaen wrote:
| The submission's map includes the affected area of the
| power outage, so that info is already public, isn't it?
| https://openinframap.org/#12.98/52.43214/13.26948
| gehsty wrote:
| Would you feel comfortable making a decision on putting
| an anchor down on a cable if you knew it would only take
| out a few hundred houses worth of power.
|
| I would imagine that any body that issues you a license
| should inform you to not anchor in proximity to cables,
| regardless of size / spec etc. if you put an anchor down
| on a charted cable, and the cable is where it should be,
| I think you'd be responsible for the cost of damage.
| lnsru wrote:
| I anchor very carefully on the rocks or sandy seabed. I
| don't anchor in seaweed areas and on pipes or cables.
| Additional attention from local newspaper is not desired.
| gehsty wrote:
| So you don't need to know hierarchy, just avoid cables?
| embedding-shape wrote:
| > It's a double edged sword - secrecy leads to accidental
| damage by fishermen & anchors, so generally you want your
| cables and pipes charted.
|
| Yeah, and the other edge of the sword is on display in the
| Baltic Sea nowadays, where "fishermen" accidentally keep
| dragging their anchors for miles across the sea bottom,
| always somehow exactly where the communication cables are.
| jillesvangurp wrote:
| I saw a nice presentation by Michael Cruickshank with an
| intelligence background that was using public geospatial data
| like what this is based on to model how climate change would
| affect power outages in an African city. In that case he was
| trying to figure out where all the power infrastructure was
| that would be affected in a flooding and then model network
| effects to figure out which parts of the city would end up
| being affected. Really interesting work.
|
| Michael presented at the Berlin Geomob. His website has a
| more general overview of what he does:
| https://www.michaelcruickshank.me/recentwork. That does not
| seem to include a lot of detail on what he presented.
| Possibly because he is trying to be responsible here.
|
| The security angle did come during the presentation. This is
| not the type of information that a lot of governments would
| want to make public but also something that could help them.
| You can mine a lot of intelligence from public data. And his
| approach of doing some kind of scenario modelling on top of
| the open data actually is interesting. That's something that
| can be used for good and for evil. And obviously something
| that a lot of intelligence agencies are probably already
| doing.
| rdtsc wrote:
| > You can mine a lot of intelligence from public data. And
| his approach of doing some kind of scenario modelling on
| top of the open data actually is interesting.
|
| That's sort of how it happens in the intelligence world. A
| bunch of analysts can look at open source data - news
| snippets, public data sets etc, but once they analyze it
| and distill to some conclusions it may become sensitive or
| classified.
| DataJunkie wrote:
| I know I will never live to see a site like this that
| documents all of the innards of airports. Airport layouts are
| my special interest.
| jh54 wrote:
| In the EU all that data, including high res LiDAR data has to
| be made publicly available by the responsible authorities.
| also high res aerial imagery which with the lidar together
| you can use to build a 3D model of the surface and ground of
| military buildings/area in blender, because even that in many
| cases is not excluded or censored. It's already used for
| "criminal activities" by metal detectorists and grave robbers
| a lot haha but it shouldn't be too hard for foreign
| intelligence to render some maps for egoshooters from them to
| train their soldiers for missions in specific locations
| einpoklum wrote:
| Me too. I particularly recommend looking at the wind farms East
| of the UK and North of the Northern coast of Europe, and their
| connections back to land by power lines. Not something you
| think about when you imagine those seas looking at a regular
| map.
|
| https://openinframap.org/#5.48/54.077/2.676
| bibelo wrote:
| Amaze!
| filcuk wrote:
| First thing that caught my eye. Apparently the reason is to
| make use of stronger, more consistent winds on open sea.
| iszomer wrote:
| Right? I didn't know there was a 130 MW (diesel) power plant on
| an island connected and off the coast of Taiwan.
| roschdal wrote:
| This is a bad idea in terms of security in war
| aquafox wrote:
| Or a good one, forcing governments to have robust
| infrastructure that this info isn't useful. Similar reasoning
| as with security and open source software.
| juahan wrote:
| Yeah, and it's not like the enemy would take the information
| from here, they already have it and likely even more
| detailed. It is quite basic stuff to have when preparing to
| defend (or attack).
| Towaway69 wrote:
| Berlin, Germany just had a blackout because a left from centre
| organisation decided to set an electric exchange on fire. Right
| over new years and at a very cold time of year.
|
| Apparently the data on where the exchange was and how it would
| affect the surrounding neighbourhoods was openly available. The
| neighbourhoods affect were largely affluent.
|
| It's probably also the reason why this is being reshared.
| sam_lowry_ wrote:
| So what? The benefits of openly sharing this info greatly
| outweight the risks.
|
| I heard multiple times that professionals in the energy
| sector relied on shitty, difficult to obtain and incomplete
| information until the open source revolution.
|
| Soviet Union heavily edited publicly available maps, although
| it had great cartography for the military-industrial complex.
| And where it is now?
| Towaway69 wrote:
| So what?
|
| Have I said that it's bad or good? I was just pointing out
| that yes, apparently data like this does get used in for
| bad things. I am not judging, as you seem to assume, I'm
| pointing out.
|
| It's a pity that others aren't as broad minded to consider
| both or all sides of technology. Technology isn't always
| automatically an improvement of the current situation. Yes
| it might solve the obvious problem but there are also side
| effects. Social media, for example, is a good demonstration
| of a bunch of side effects that weren't intended.
|
| And so it is with open infrastructure, it can have unwanted
| side effects and we should be aware of those instead of
| hand waving them away. Mitigation here is difficult: open
| access and meshing up of data is important and should be
| encouraged. Hiding this data away won't help.
| antonvs wrote:
| > Have I said that it's bad or good?
|
| ...and then you go on to imply it has bad side effects.
| But you haven't actually made that case. Do you really
| believe that a hostile group would have difficulty
| finding important infrastructure to attack without an
| open infrastructure map?
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _Do you really believe that a hostile group would have
| difficulty finding important infrastructure to attack
| without an open infrastructure map?_
|
| I honestly do. A large part of what protects open, free
| societies is that the smartest people generally have
| better things to do than blowing shit up. If you've ever
| taken a close look at any heavy infrastructure, it should
| strike you how easy it would be to break into and disable
| (particularly if you aren't concerned about getting
| caught).
|
| On the balance, I still prefer these data being open. But
| there probably is a domestic-terrorism risk that's
| amplified.
| misiek08 wrote:
| If you are not interested in disrupting the grid then yes
| - you implied it's bad. You only mentioned the bad sides
| of such info being widely available.
|
| And like already mentioned in more nested comments - it's
| not difficult to get such info if you are determined
| enough.
| Towaway69 wrote:
| I stated a fact - it really happened and it was so
| communicated that the left-of-centre organisation
| obtained their information online, your assumption that
| I'm "implying it's bad" is in your head.
|
| Facts are neutral.
| antonvs wrote:
| You can drive around an area you're interested in, or look at
| satellite or aerial photos, to find these facilities.
| "Security by obscurity" is no more useful here than it is in
| software systems.
| Towaway69 wrote:
| You can also just randomly nuke a country or invade it for
| its resources.
|
| Or poison the internet with AI generated garbage.
|
| There are many alternatives to acting nefariously, this is
| just one.
| yakshaving_jgt wrote:
| Security by obscurity is actually useful, to some degree.
| mathis wrote:
| The location of the recent blackout is here:
| https://openinframap.org/#12.98/52.43214/13.26948
|
| One can see easily make out the power station Lichterfelde
| and the affected substation inside of it. The area to the
| east of the power station was without power between Saturday
| and Thursday morning.
| jotaen wrote:
| > The area to the east of the power station
|
| s/east/west/
|
| (I.e., the area left of the power station.)
| jcims wrote:
| Most of this physical infrastructure is trivially identifiable
| in Google Maps.
| matkoniecz wrote:
| someone having ability to precisely target other country likely
| would not be stopped much by need to find power plants
| themselves
|
| while such open data has also positive effects
|
| have you considered both? it is not like deleting power plant
| from single map would hide it
|
| disclaimer: I am OpenStreetMap contributor
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Some previous discussion:
|
| 2024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39109185
|
| 2022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29948473
| wagwang wrote:
| Gigachad french nuclear versus virgin german coal in map form.
| arjvik wrote:
| When I lived in Texas, we had a massive storm in winter of 2021
| leaving many without power for a week.
|
| I was told that Texas maintained its own energy grid independent
| from the rest of the nation's eastern and western grids, and
| supposedly only had a handful of high-voltage DC lines running
| between Texas's and the rest of the nation's. Supposedly this was
| why we couldn't rely on excess capacity from anywhere else in the
| nation while our power generation capability was down.
|
| But this map doesn't seem to show Texas as isolated - there
| appear to be many lines in and out and no clear separation?
| 333c wrote:
| More info on Wikipedia:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Interconnection
|
| > The Texas Interconnection is maintained as a separate grid
| for political, rather than technical reasons
| bob1029 wrote:
| Texas is actually on ~4 different grids. I live north of
| Houston and I'm on MISO.
|
| https://www.researchgate.net/figure/ERCOT-geographic-footpri...
| cwal37 wrote:
| That's not what that image means at all. If you look closely,
| you'll even see 3 additional colors, plus white, from the 4
| I'm guessing you identified.
|
| Those are ERCOT load zones, a distinct concept and all within
| the ERCOT interconnection (grid).
|
| On the markets side, Texas is made up of ERCOT, and then has
| portions in (descending order) MISO, SPP, and the non-market
| West.
|
| In terms of "grids" Texas is mostly ERCOT, and then the
| Eastern Interconnection with a small smidge of Western
| Interconnection in the far west in El Paso Electric's
| territory.
| a1371 wrote:
| An initially-stupid-sounding idea I heard a while back was
| running power cables through the ocean floors between America and
| the rest of the world. It's apparently feasible and the big
| benefit of it is that at the grid peak hour when the sun is not
| shining in Europe, they can get cheap solar from America and vice
| versa
| pbmonster wrote:
| Yeah, ultra high voltage DC power lines have something like
| 3.5% loss per 1000km. American sun belt to European sun belt is
| at least 6000km, so you just gotta eat the 20% loss. Same
| ballpark as pumped hydro storage.
|
| 6000km sounds like a lot, but the Chinese have built a 3000km
| UHVDC line delivering 12 GW, and putting down submarine
| communications cables this long is complete routine today.
| Would be interesting how much aluminium/lead/copper such a
| project would take. EDIT: found a supplier that specifies a 1GW
| cable at 7000 tons per spool. A spool is 130km of cable, so
| that's 350 000 tons of cable per GW for the transatlantic link.
| So just the raw aluminium is around a billion dollars per GW.
|
| Anyway, first we have to properly connect those two sun belts
| to the rest of their own continental masses with UHVDC, then we
| have a lot of political problems to solve, and then we can
| check battery prices...
| mltvc wrote:
| the Nato-L project [1] trying to get this done between Europe
| and North-America. 2 of the founders are the guys behind the
| (very interesting) redefining-energy podcast [2].
|
| [1]: https://nato-l.com/ [2]: https://redefining-energy.com/
| kelseydh wrote:
| The map for Australia is interesting. Is this missing data? See
| no infrastructure for Alice Springs in the interior of Australia.
| defrost wrote:
| Missing data and incomplete layers I'd say.
|
| I know the areas from Alice west to the coast and north to the
| equator fairly well.
|
| Rail lines are missing, it appears to be _just_ "big" power
| lines and that's 'accurate' in the sense that South Australia
| doesn't share power across the Nuallabor to Western Australia
| and many northern towns are 'independant' of any state or
| territory grid, running on a local generation basis.
|
| Doesn't show Pine Gap or the Naval Communication Station Harold
| E. Holt base either . . . :-)
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap
|
| *
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Communication_Station_Ha...
|
| (Ground to space and Ground to underwater communications)
| dhx wrote:
| Australia is miniscule by global standards and Alice Springs is
| miniscule by Australian standards. Alice Springs isn't
| connected to the grid servicing most of Australia's population
| crammed up along the East coast and doesn't have much in the
| way of heavy industrial users nearby. The difficulty for OSM
| mappers is the low-capacity above-ground power lines in Alice
| Springs have no more pixels as the trunk of any 20 year old
| tree so at satellite imagery resolutions of >30cm you may need
| to find an image taken at sunrise or sunset where the long
| shadow of a pole is visible on the ground. I also think it is
| preferred in remote locations such as Alice Springs to run
| lines underground (particularly along roads) due to decreased
| total cost of ownership of not having to worry about bushfire
| and flood damage to infrastructure.
|
| The ACT government provides ~10cm aerial imagery of Canberra
| and surrounds a few times a year and from this imagery, unless
| a minor power pole is obscured by trees or a building, it is
| generally easy to identify most poles. Evoenergy (distribution
| operator for the ACT) also publicly provide detailed maps of
| poles and lines no matter how minor they are. The reason this
| detail won't be mapped in OSM is lack of interest and
| availability of mappers to micro-map every minor power pole
| from aerial imagery, and OSM's very conservative approach to
| importing datasets, particularly from a licensing perspective
| (e.g. attempting to apply European database directive concerns
| in countries like Australia which don't have equivalent laws,
| and even have opposing case law precedents).
|
| Australia is one of the most open countries when it comes to
| supplying electrical grid data. Even underground conduit
| locations are available publicly for most distributors, as well
| as designed summer/winter constraints for each transmission
| line (e.g. maximum kA per line). See [1] for some links to maps
| and other data that is made publicly available.
|
| [1]
| https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Foperator%20%3Foperat...
| matkoniecz wrote:
| It is possible and likely that some data was not yet mapped in
| OpenStreetMap. So it is missing in OpenStreetMap-based map.
|
| Feel free to edit it if you can!
|
| (even if this specific data is not possible to be added by you
| - feel free to add say nearby shop or park)
|
| ad: if you have Android I can recommend StreetComplete (great
| for newbies)
|
| if you have iPhone - GoMap!! is great though a bit more
| complicated to use
|
| Vespucci is more complicated and more powerful than
| StreetComplete editor for Android phones
|
| or you can edit directly on osm.org from desktop
|
| -------------
|
| disclaimer: I am a walking conflict of interest as far as OSM
| goes (for start, I am StreetComplete contributor)
| el_duderino wrote:
| Yeah, I see some data in my city where a plant was closed and
| demolished 4 years ago and is still listed on there.
| paganel wrote:
| Excellent link, thank you for posting!
|
| Wanted to do a map of the power network here in Romania, hadn't
| thought to check if anything similar already existed, or I
| couldn't find it myself, at least, but it seems like this map has
| (almost) all that I wanted to do in that respect, including the
| position of the power poles on the ground.
| ankraft wrote:
| For the Netherlands (and surrounding countries), there is
| Hoogspanningsnet (the high-voltage grid), which is maintained by
| infrastructure enthusiasts:
| https://webkaart.hoogspanningsnet.com/
| apexalpha wrote:
| This is really cool. I had no idea my city had two underground
| 50kV cables to distribute the power.
|
| From what I can see it's pretty complete and up to date for my
| area.
| cowteriyaki wrote:
| I find the fact that beer pipelines have their own color
| designation in the map legend intriguing. Are they common enough
| outside of breweries to merit singling them out?
| yorwba wrote:
| There are two beer pipelines in Belgium: https://overpass-
| turbo.eu/s/2isf I think the fact that they're in the
| OpenStreetMap data at all is enough to give them their own
| color on the map.
| aembleton wrote:
| I know there's one in Bruges, which is mapped on here:
| https://openinframap.org/#13.22/51.21001/3.22418/A,B,I,L
| matkoniecz wrote:
| I suspect that it is more about being a cool fact than being
| common.
| raggles wrote:
| In New Zealand at least, a lot of this data seems to come from
| imagery; it's quite outdated, the cables are all missing and the
| voltages are pretty hit and miss. Cool project though.
| dhx wrote:
| If you want more up-to-date/accurate data on NZ transmission
| infrastructure there is also the following "Point" geometry
| tagged per OSM conventions:
|
| [1] Transpower pylons: https://alltheplaces-
| data.openaddresses.io/map.html?show=htt...
|
| [2] Transpower substations: https://alltheplaces-
| data.openaddresses.io/map.html?show=htt...
|
| The public source of this data (ArcGIS Feature Server account
| of Transpower) shows data last modified by Transpower in
| October 2025 for pylons and February 2025 for substations. At
| the rate of development of NZ, you wouldn't expect major
| changes to any of this data unless it's a major transmission
| upgrade project identified years in advance in hundreds of
| public announcements and documents.
|
| For distribution, the largest distributor in NZ (Vector)
| provides "Line" geometry at
| https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?url=https:/...
| (note: not included in AllThePlaces due to ATP not currently
| collecting geometry other than points)
| aembleton wrote:
| You can update the data in Open Street Map. Theres a lot of
| incorrect data in there, but it can only be as good as the data
| thats been entered.
| krzyk wrote:
| Also interesing one can find places like
| https://openinframap.org/#18.27/49.995951/18.966733 where 220kV
| line is just above a house.
|
| I wonder how easy it would be to prepare a query in osm to find
| all such cases.
| croemer wrote:
| One can nicely see the bridge across the river that was burned in
| the recent attack in Berlin.
| https://openinframap.org/#15.16/52.425587/13.307235
|
| Everything on the left thereof was then without power for
| multiple days as this was a single point of failure.
|
| See thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46487404
| luplex wrote:
| I immediately went and looked for it too!
|
| I also tried to see any vulnerable sabotage spots that would
| put my electricity out, but that seems harder.
| farg24 wrote:
| Nothing in Alaska?
| matkoniecz wrote:
| likely it was not yet mapped in OpenStreetMap!
|
| So it is missing in OpenStreetMap-based map.
|
| Feel free to edit it if you can!
|
| (even if this specific data is not possible to be added by you
| - feel free to add say nearby shop or park)
|
| ad: if you have Android I can recommend StreetComplete (great
| for newbies)
|
| if you have iPhone - GoMap!! is great though a bit more
| complicated to use
|
| Vespucci is more complicated and more powerful than
| StreetComplete editor for Android phones
|
| or you can edit directly on osm.org from desktop
|
| -------------
|
| disclaimer: I am a walking conflict of interest as far as OSM
| goes (for start, I am StreetComplete contributor)
| ece wrote:
| Telecom just seems to show data centers? Was hoping to see where
| cable/fiber lines.
| Flere-Imsaho wrote:
| Shout out to the UK for the number of off-shore wind turbine
| farms:
|
| https://openinframap.org/#7.17/52.529/1.681
| ascari wrote:
| Except that the UK has one of the most expensive electricity
| prices in the world
| ic_fly2 wrote:
| That has two causes, dependency on natural gas, which would
| be worse without renewables and taxes, which is unrelated to
| renewables and related to general policy goals of reducing
| energy demand.
|
| Also even in a European context UK power prices aren't as
| high as many of its peers.
| yabones wrote:
| If I'm remembering correctly, it's because the previous
| government set the price floor to the average natural gas
| price, artificially propping up their north sea oil & gas
| industry that's been noncompetitive for decades. Even though
| they _can_ make cheap energy, consumers get screwed because
| of national security concerns.
|
| Unfortunately I don't have a source, and would appreciate a
| UK national with better understanding than me to chime in :)
| russss wrote:
| Pretty much all electricity markets worldwide set the unit
| price based on the the cost of the "marginal" (most
| expensive) generator running during each time period. It's
| a weirdly common misconception that the UK is unique in
| doing this.
|
| If you paid generators what they bid, then they're
| incentivised to manipulate their bids to try and make the
| most money, distorting the market.
|
| Almost all the wind farms and many solar farms in the UK
| operate under the "contract for difference" system, where
| they're guaranteed a fixed price per unit and have to pay
| back any income above that. So a lot of the money paid is
| clawed back through that method.
|
| The reason the UK's electricity has been expensive over the
| last few years comes down to: - Shutdown of
| several nuclear plants without any replacement -
| Shutdown of coal plants and replacement with gas -
| The Ukraine war affecting gas prices - Clean energy
| surcharges on bills (which hit electricity bills a lot
| harder than gas bills, regardless of how clean the
| electricity is...)
|
| There will be a bunch more renewables coming online soon
| which will hopefully start crowding out gas and driving the
| price down more regularly, so hopefully prices will start
| dropping faster soon.
| everfrustrated wrote:
| >Pretty much all electricity markets worldwide set the
| unit price based on the the cost of the "marginal" (most
| expensive) generator running during each time period
|
| Indeed. This is inherent failing of the use of auctions
| for setting price. While using auctions is a laudable
| goal, in reality it is not very efficient and easily
| gamed. Having a central purchaser model is not idea from
| a ideological standpoint but clearly more efficient
| allowing correctly controlling for more variables than
| can (crudely) be transmitted through a 30 minute auction
| period.
| FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
| Enron made a ton of money gaming energy auctions until it
| all fell apart.
|
| https://www.marketplace.org/story/2021/09/30/20-years-
| later-...
| everfrustrated wrote:
| The only reason the wind farms got built was because they
| got guaranteed a high price of electricity that took the
| risk out of it. This changed more recently which is why
| building stopped.
|
| Another factor is in the UK everything below the average
| tide line is owned by the Crown (as in the King not the
| government) who were very happy to get lease income. The
| Govt was also happy so it didn't look like the people were
| funding the King (which they are).
|
| Also the public are very against wind turbines on land
| which is reasonable in England where there isn't much
| isolated land to put them.
|
| At least they got built, which is more than can be said for
| the nuclear plants.
| yrro wrote:
| https://www.electricitybills.uk/ shows a breakdown of the
| components of consumer energy bills. It's not as simple as
| saying "it's expensive because of gas", though pricing
| based on the marginal production cost is one component.
| seb1204 wrote:
| Thanks, interesting. The price almost doubled between
| 2021 and 2022. Has been coming down since.
| snthd wrote:
| Related - "The UK is wasting a lot of wind power" from
| 2023. https://archy.deberker.com/the-uk-is-wasting-a-lot-
| of-wind-p...
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34358795
| UltraSane wrote:
| Germany is even more expensive.
| rdiddly wrote:
| Makes sense. If you're an island surrounded by water, you don't
| have to go through the hassle of finding a piece of land to put
| them on.
| maelito wrote:
| It seems to me that past civilisations on earth were more evolved
| given their railway infrastructure. Incredible.
| shautvast wrote:
| It lists 'Centrale Hemweg' (Amsterdam). This plant was
| decommissioned 6 years ago. How up to date is this data?
| agwa wrote:
| It gets its data from Open Street Map, so it's only up-to-date
| if volunteers are keeping it up-to-date.
|
| That said, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrale_Hemweg says
| the plant was converted to natural gas, not decommissioned, in
| 2019, and this is correctly reflected in Open Street Map / Open
| Infra Map. Do you have a citation that contradicts this?
| 7e wrote:
| Is this a guide for Russian saboteurs?
| iamnothere wrote:
| No, it's a map of infrastructure.
| Beijinger wrote:
| It is a great tool for terrorist attacks:
| https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgrpzn6gz4o
| iamnothere wrote:
| So is Wikipedia, the internet in general, the library, Home
| Depot, a rental vehicle, or a basic working knowledge of
| chemistry. What's the point in stating the obvious?
| orthecreedence wrote:
| I'm pretty sure ICE has access to all this information already.
| DataJunkie wrote:
| It may be my autism, but as a kid, I was always fascinated by
| infrastructure, particularly power lines. My dad once drove me
| down an Edison Road up to the top of a mountain just to see where
| the power line went. We had to stop at the top. I could see my
| neighborhood from a view that I had never seen before. Today I
| would consider it beautiful. Back then it was weird!
|
| I had a fascination with how different the poles looked and how
| the equipment was mounted. It seemed like no two pylons were
| alike.
|
| Based on this map, it looks like all of our power comes from
| hydroelectric.
|
| I love this site. I just wish it was more complete. There are
| some major water and natural gas pipelines that aren't recorded.
| Maybe in time.
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