[HN Gopher] ChatGPT Health
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ChatGPT Health
Author : saikatsg
Score : 109 points
Date : 2026-01-07 19:29 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| zxor3 wrote:
| I really feel like no one should trust open ai with their health
| data.
| threecheese wrote:
| I barely trust them with any personal info. Are we (HN crowd)
| biased in a way that will cause us to miss out? I wonder if we
| are insiders - having a privileged perspective given our
| industry is on the front lines - or if we're just becoming
| jaded.
| wrs wrote:
| I missed out on having my transactions publicly posted on
| Venmo, too. I'm just a slow adopter, I guess.
| usefulposter wrote:
| >purpose-built encryption and isolation
|
| Repeated 2x without explanation. Good start.
|
| ---
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| >You can further strengthen access controls by enabling multi-
| factor authentication
|
| Pushing 2fac on users doesn't remove the need for more details on
| the above.
|
| ---
|
| >to enable access to trusted U.S. healthcare providers, we
| partner with b.well
|
| >wellness apps--like Apple Health, Function, and MyFitnessPal
|
| Right...?
|
| ---
|
| >health conversations protected and compartmentalized
|
| Yet OAI will share those conversations with enabled apps, along
| with "relevant information from memories" and your "IP address,
| device/browser type, language/region settings, and approximate
| location"? (per
| https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001036-what-is-chatgpt...)
| minimaxir wrote:
| > Health is designed to support, not replace, medical care. It is
| not intended for diagnosis or treatment.
|
| I suspect that will be legally-tested sooner than later.
| observationist wrote:
| As long as the liability precedents set by prior case law and
| current regulations hold, there should be no problem. OpenAI
| and the hordes of lawyers working for and with them will have
| ensured that every appropriate and legally required step has
| been taken, and at least for now, these are software tools used
| by individuals. AI is not an agent of itself or the platform
| hosting it; the user's relative level of awareness of this fact
| shouldn't be legally relevant as long as OpenAI doesn't make
| any claims to the contrary.
|
| You also have to imagine that they've got their zero guardrails
| superpowered internal only next generation bot available to
| them, which can be used by said lawyer horde to ensure their
| asses are thoroughly covered. (It'd be staggeringly stupid not
| to use their AI for things like this.)
|
| The institutions that have artificially capped levels of
| doctors, strangled and manipulated healthcare for personal
| gain, allowed insurance and health industries to become
| cancerous - they should be terrified of what's coming. Tools
| like this will be able to assist people with deep, nuanced
| understanding of their healthcare and be a force multiplier for
| doctors and nurses, of which there are far too few.
|
| It'll also be WebMD on steroids, and every third person will
| likely be convinced they have stereochromatic belly button
| cancer after each chat, but I think we'll be better off,
| anyway.
| plasticeagle wrote:
| It also doesn't make any sense. It's like self-driving cars
| that require you to pay attention at all times anyway.
| thisislife2 wrote:
| I pity the doctors who will now have to deal with such self-
| diagnosed "patients". Wonder if General Medicine doctors will see
| a drop in patient, as AI convinces you to see a specialist with
| its diagnosis?
| satvikpendem wrote:
| _> researchers found that searching symptoms online modestly
| boosted patients' ability to accurately diagnose health issues
| without increasing their anxiety or misleading them to seek
| care inappropriately [...] the results of this survey study
| challenge the common belief among clinicians and policy-makers
| that using the Internet to search for health information is
| harmful._ [0]
|
| For example, "man Googles rash, discovers he has one-in-a-
| million rare disease" [1].
|
| _> Ian Stedman says medical professionals shouldn 't dismiss
| patients who go looking for answers outside the doctor's office
| - even if they resort to 'Dr. Google.'_
|
| _> "Whenever I hear a doctor or nurse complain about someone
| coming in trying to diagnose themselves, it boils my blood.
| Because I think, I don't know if I'd be dead if I didn't
| diagnose myself. You can't expect one person to know it all, so
| I think you have to empower the patient."_
|
| [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8084564/
|
| [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/man-googles-rash-
| discover...
| BeetleB wrote:
| Indeed. My doctor likes it when people search the Internet -
| as long as they come to him before doing anything drastic.
| observationist wrote:
| If there's a reasonable audit trail for the doctor to
| verify that valid differential reasoning was done that they
| can quickly verify, there's relatively few downsides and
| lots of upsides for them.
| iknowstuff wrote:
| Happy for the millions of people who are getting misdiagnosed
| due to rush, dismissal, and missed clues
| avgDev wrote:
| Then you have not dealt with doctors.
|
| Some physicians are absolutely useless and sometimes worse than
| not receiving any treatment at all. Medicine is dynamic and
| changes all the time. Some doctors refuse to move forward.
|
| When I was younger I've had a sports injury. I was misdiagnosed
| for months until I did my own research and had the issue fixed
| with a surgery.
|
| I have many more stories of doctors being straight up wrong
| about basics too.
|
| I see physicians in a major metro area at some of the best
| hospital networks in the US.
| AppleBananaPie wrote:
| I sadly have to agree with you. I had a 30+ year orthopedic
| surgeon confidently tell me my ACL wasn't torn.
|
| Two years later when I got it fixed the new surgeon said
| there was nothing left of the old one on the MRI so it must
| have been torn 1.5-2+ years ago.
|
| On the other hand, to be fair to doctors, I had a phase of
| looking into supplements and learned the hard lesson that you
| really need to dig into the research or find a very trusted
| source to have any idea of what's real because I definitely
| thought for a bit a few were useful that were definitely not
| :)
|
| And also to be fair to doctors I have family members who are
| the "never wrong" types and are always talking about whatever
| doctor of the day is wrong about what they need.
|
| My current opinion is using LLMs for this, in regards to it
| informing or misinforming, is no different than most other
| things. For some people this will be valuable and potentially
| dramatically help them, and for others it might serve to send
| them further down roads of misinformation / conspiracies.
|
| I guess I ultimately think this is a good thing because
| people capable of informing themselves will be able to do so
| more effectively and, sadly, the other folks are
| (realistically) probably a lost cause but at the very least
| we need to do better educating our children in critical
| thinking and being ok with being wrong.
| mcast wrote:
| This is not much different than a smarter WebMD, if anything,
| more doctors are using ChatGPT with their patients today than
| you realize anyway.
|
| Not to mention, doctors are absolutely fallible and misdiagnose
| constantly.
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| I usually look up my symptoms (not on ChatGPT) and when I
| finally go to a doctor I just let them do their job, but I
| usually do it just to have some idea of what's going on by the
| time I go there. My wife's a nurse (not a Doctor) so sometimes
| she can tell me if what I read sounds crazy or what have you
| based on her own personal experience with patients.
| glerk wrote:
| I hope this puts at least some of the scam artists known as
| psychiatrists out of a job.
| tummler wrote:
| Absolutely not.
| ZeroCool2u wrote:
| Yeah, gotta say I'm not enthusiastic about handing over any
| health data to OpenAI. I'd be more likely to trust Google or
| maybe even Anthropic with this data and that's saying something.
| mrstone wrote:
| Not a chance.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Another nail in the coffin for apps that depend on AI APIs
| because the AI companies themselves are working on products using
| their own APIs (unless you can make the UX significantly better).
| UX now seems like the prime motivator when building apps.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| LLMs themselves are the coffin for most apps, because by its
| very nature, AI subsumes _products_.
|
| UX is not going to be a prime motivator, because the product
| itself is the very thing that stands between user and the thing
| they want. UX-wise, for most software, it's better for users to
| have all these products to be reduced to tool calls for AI
| agents, accessible via a single interface.
|
| The very concept of product itself is limiting users to
| interactions allowed by the product vendor[0] - meanwhile, used
| as tools for AI agents allows them to be combined in ways user
| need[1].
|
| --
|
| [0] - Something that, thanks to move to the web and switching
| data exchange model from "saving files" to "sharing documents",
| became the way for SaaS businesses to make money by taking user
| data hostage - a raison d'etre for many products. AI
| integration threatens that.
|
| [1] - And vendors would very much like users to not be able to.
| There's going to be some interesting fights here, as general-
| purpose AI tools are an existential threat to most of the
| software industry itself.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Depends on the product itself. For example I use an LLM for
| tracking calorie data by telling it or providing a picture of
| the food I had, and it does a web search to find those
| details. The problem is it doesn't actually remember past
| meals, so I wrapped this API call in a simple app that just
| tracks the calorie numbers like a traditional app.
|
| Just having an LLM is not the right UX for the vast majority
| of apps.
| egorfine wrote:
| > you can sign up for the waitlist
|
| Waitlist: 404 page not found.
| 6510 wrote:
| the future is now
| chairhairair wrote:
| Vibedeployments
|
| Embarrassing
| moffkalast wrote:
| Just like regular healthcare then I see.
| rsyring wrote:
| "Join the Waitlist" button -> 404.
|
| :o/
| leobg wrote:
| Vibe coded.... /s
| nadis wrote:
| It looks like it's fixed now but had the same initial
| experience.
| password54321 wrote:
| yikes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46524382
|
| [Teenager died of overdose 'after ChatGPT coached him on drug-
| taking']
| EForEndeavour wrote:
| An estimated 371,000 people die every year following a
| misdiagnosis, and 424,000 are permanently disabled.
| https://qualitysafety.bmj.com/content/33/2/109?rss=1
|
| Admittedly I am basing this on pure vibes: I'd bet that adding
| AI to the healthcare environment will, on balance, reduce this
| number, not increase it.
| ares623 wrote:
| Spoken like a true techbro
| emodendroket wrote:
| The article is paywalled but appears to concern abusing a
| cocktail of kratom, alochol, and xanax. I don't really think
| that's the same. Also, this feature isn't really about making
| ChatGPT start answering medical questions anyhow, since people
| are already doing that.
| bicepjai wrote:
| This is going to be fun to watch :)
| BigTTYGothGF wrote:
| Really? Because I was thinking it was going to be tragic.
| 6510 wrote:
| It could be interesting, the medical industry is fine with
| everyone being deficient in everything. And then people
| miraculously get ill?
| BeetleB wrote:
| What could possibly go wrong?
| roger_ wrote:
| I personally don't care who has access to my health data, but I
| understand those who might.
|
| Either way, I'm excited for some actual innovation in the
| personal health field. Apple Health is more about aggregating
| data than actually producing actionable insights. 23andme was
| mostly useless.
|
| Today I have a ChatGPT project with my health history as a system
| prompt and it's been very helpful. Recently I snapped a photo of
| an obscure instrument screen after taking a test and was able to
| get more useful information than what my doctor eventually
| provided ("nothing to worry about", etc.) ChatGPT was able to
| reference papers and do data analysis which was pretty amazing,
| right from my phone (e.g fitting my data to a model from a paper
| and spitting out a plot).
| MattDaEskimo wrote:
| I'm sorry, but seriously? How could you not care who has your
| health data?
|
| I think the more plausible comment is "I've been protected my
| whole life by health data privacy laws that I have no idea what
| the other side looks like".
|
| Quite frankly, this is even worse as it can and will override
| doctors orders and feed into people's delusions as an "expert".
| roger_ wrote:
| I'd rather have all my health data be used in a way that can
| actually help me, even with a risk of a breach or misuse,
| than having it in a folder somewhere doing nothing.
| SiempreViernes wrote:
| You're supposed to share it with a doctor you trust, if
| nobody qualified asked for it it's probably because it's no
| longer relevant.
| roger_ wrote:
| I've had mixed experiences with doctors. Often times
| they're glancing at my chart for two minutes before an
| appointment and that's the extent of their concern for
| me.
|
| I've also lived in places where I don't have a choice in
| doctor.
| ThatMedicIsASpy wrote:
| It can also help you in not getting a job because your
| health data says you'll be sick in 6 months.
| dmmartins wrote:
| I don't care either. Why should I? I go to the doctor once a
| year and it's always the same. Not much to do with that data
| lionkor wrote:
| Your health data could be used in the future, when
| technology is more advanced, to infer things about you that
| we don't even know about, and target you or your family for
| it.
| 9x39 wrote:
| Health data could also be used now to spot trends and
| problems that an assembly-line health system doesn't
| optimize for.
|
| I think in the US, you get out of the system what you put
| into it - specific queries and concerns with as much
| background as you can muster for your doctor. You have to
| own the initiative to get your reactive medical provider
| to help.
|
| Using your own AI subscription to analyze your own data
| seems like immense ROI versus a distant theoretical risk.
| rightbyte wrote:
| Are you giving your vitals to Sam Altman just like that? What
| instrument?
| roger_ wrote:
| Yes, if it will help me and others. Again, I understand those
| who disagree.
| midldei wrote:
| But this is a 'cart before the horse' situation.
|
| What evidence do you have that providing your health
| information to this company will help you or anyone (other
| than those with financial interest in the company)?
|
| There is a very real, near definite, chance that giving
| your, and others', health data to this company will _hurt_
| you and others.
|
| Will you still hold this, "I personally don't care who has
| access to my health data", position?
| cyberpunk wrote:
| I'm definitely a privacy fist person, but can you explain
| how health data could hurt you, besides obvious things
| like being discriminated against for insurance if you
| have a drug habit or whatever. Like, i'm a fitness
| conscious 30 something white male, what risk is there of
| my appendix operation being common knowledge or that i
| need more iron or something?
| idiotsecant wrote:
| Is your point 'I have no major health conditions, so
| nobody could be hurt by releasing health data'? If so, I
| don't think I need to point out the gap in this logic.
| cyberpunk wrote:
| Actually you maybe do. I am extremely privacy conscious;
| so i'm on your side on this one but health data is a bit
| different from handing over all your email and purchase
| information to google -- in that scenario the danger is
| that the political or religious or whatever attributes i
| may have could be exposed to a future regime who
| considers what is acceptable today to no longer be so,
| uses them to profile and ... whatever me, right? What
| actual danger is there from a government or a us tech
| company having my blood work details when i actually have
| nothing to hide like drug abuse or alcohol etc? health
| data seems much less risky than my political views,
| religion, sexuality, minor crimes committed and so on.
| websiteapi wrote:
| If an insight led you or a family member to being misdiagnosed
| and crippled would you just say it's their or your own fault?
| If it were a doctor would you have the same opinion?
| roger_ wrote:
| I understand enough about these systems to know they're not
| perfect but I agree some people might be misled.
|
| But I don't know if I should be denied access because of
| those people.
| piva00 wrote:
| > But I don't know if I should be denied access because of
| those people.
|
| That's the majority of people though, if you really think
| that I assume you wouldn't have a problem with needing to
| be licenced to have this kind of access, right?
| roger_ wrote:
| If they pepper it with warnings and add safe guards, then
| I'm fine.
|
| I think they can design it to minimize misinformation or
| at least blind trust.
| piva00 wrote:
| People are very good at ignoring warnings, I see it all
| the time.
|
| There's no way to design it to minimise misinformation,
| the "ground truth" problem of LLM alignment is still
| unsolved.
|
| The only system we currently have to allow people to
| verify they know what they are doing is through
| licencing: you go to training, you are tested that you
| understand the training, and you are allowed to do the
| dangerous thing. Are you ok with needing this to be able
| to access a potentially dangerous tool for the untrained?
| nozzlegear wrote:
| > _Recently I snapped a photo of an obscure instrument screen
| after taking a test and was able to get more useful information
| than what my doctor eventually provided ("nothing to worry
| about", etc.) ChatGPT was able to reference papers and do data
| analysis which was pretty amazing, right from my phone (e.g
| fitting my data to a model from a paper and spitting out a
| plot)._
|
| If you don't mind sharing, what kind of useful information is
| ChatGPT giving you based off of a photo that your doctor didn't
| give you? Could you have asked the doctor about the data on the
| instrument and gotten the same info?
|
| I'm mildly interested in this kind of thing, but I have a
| severe health anxiety and do _not_ need a walking hypochondria-
| sycophant in my pocket. My system prompts tell the LLMs not to
| give me medical advice or indulge in diagnosis roulette.
| roger_ wrote:
| In one case it was a urinary flow test (uroflowmetry). The
| results go to a lab and then the doctor gets the summary. Was
| able to diagnose the issue, prevalence, etc. and educate
| myself about treatment and risks before seeing a doctor.
| Papers gave me distributions of flow by age, sex, etc. so I
| knew it was out of range.
|
| In another case I uploaded a CSV of CGM data, analyzed it and
| identified trends (e.g. Saturday morning blood sugar spikes).
| All in five minutes on my phone.
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| High risk high reward? Or just the level of regulation companies
| can expect in the year 2026 that they're not afraid to take this
| path?
| vimda wrote:
| This reads like desperation to get a headline more than an actual
| product, especially when half the links don't even work
| barbazoo wrote:
| I heard the links are lazily auto vibe coded when enough people
| click on them /s
| lionkor wrote:
| I made something like that https://github.com/lionkor/ai-
| httpd
| barbazoo wrote:
| Love it!
| jostmey wrote:
| The old chat gpt models scanning the nih pub med repositories
| with proper prompting (e.g. ...backed by randomized control trial
| data) was an amazing health care tool. The stripped down cheaper
| versions today are junk and I've had to start relying on grok :-(
| I'm not convinced OpenAI can make this work
| paulgrimes1 wrote:
| Here's something: my chatGPT quietly assumed I had ADHD for
| around 9 months, up until October 2025. I don't suffer from ADHD.
| I only found out through an answer that began "As you have
| ADHD.."
|
| I had it stop right there, and asked it to tell me exactly where
| it got this information; the date, the title of the chat, the
| exact moment it took this data on as an attribute of mine. It was
| unable to specify any of it, aside from nine months previous. It
| continued to insist I had ADHD, and that I told it I did, but was
| unable to reference exactly when/where.
|
| I asked "do you think it's dangerous that you have assumed I have
| a medical / neurological condition for this long? What if you
| gave me incorrect advice based on this assumption?" to which it
| answered a paraphrased mea culpa, offered to forget the
| attribute, and moved the conversation on.
|
| This is a class action waiting to happen.
| dunk010 wrote:
| Perhaps you do ;-)
| rafram wrote:
| > nine months previous
|
| It likely just hallucinated the ADHD thing in this one chat and
| then made this up when you pushed it for an explanation. It has
| no way to connect memories to the exact chats they came from
| AFAIK.
| roger_ wrote:
| Disable memories so each chat is independent.
|
| If you want chats to shared info, then use a project.
| soared wrote:
| It doesn't have itself as a data source to reference, so asking
| "tell me when you said this" etc will never work
| usmanity wrote:
| this seems to be a memory problem with ChatGPT, in your case, I
| bet it was changing a lot of answers due to that. For me, it
| really liked referring to the fact that I have an ADU in my
| backyard, almost pointlessly, something like "Since you walk
| the dogs before work, and you have a backyard ADU, you should
| consider these items for breakfast..."
| mikelitoris wrote:
| https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-mrw-d10dMmzqCYqQ0
| zsolt224 wrote:
| LLMs were actually not that great so far in the preventative side
| / risk prediction. They are very good if you already have the
| disease but if you are trending there they were chill about it.
| The better way would be to first calculate the risks via
| deterministic algos and then do differential diagnosis. So
| something that specialized doc would do. This is an example of an
| online tool, that does it like that: https://www.longevity-
| tools.com/liver-function-interpreter
| seltzered_ wrote:
| Something to note here is that just yesterday (January 6 2026)
| the FDA announced changes around regulation of wearable & AI
| enabled devices: https://www.statnews.com/2026/01/06/fda-pulls-
| back-oversight... (" FDA announces sweeping changes to oversight
| of wearables, AI-enabled devices The changes could allow
| unregulated generative artificial intelligence tools into
| clinical workflows")
| lionkor wrote:
| This was expected. People are going to be convinced that this AI
| knows more than any doctor, will self medicate, and will die,
| harm others, their kids, etc.
|
| Great work, can't wait to see what's next.
| jacekm wrote:
| There's "Ask ChatGPT" overlay at the bottom of the page, so I
| asked "how risky is giving my medical data to OpenAI?"
| Interestingly ChatGPT advised caution ;) In short it said: 1.
| Safer than standard AI chats, 2. Not as safe as regulated
| healthcare systems (it reminded that OpenAI is not regulated and
| does not follow e.g. HIPAA), 3. Still involves inherent cloud
| risks.
| defphysics wrote:
| There's a lot of negativity here. I'll just say I'm extremely
| glad I had ChatGPT when I was going through some health issues
| last year.
| cyberpunk wrote:
| Yep same, with the caveat that any actionable advice requires
| actual research from reliable sources afterwards (or at least
| making it cite sources).
|
| i mean; i kinda get the concerns about misleading people but
| ... are people really that dumb? okay if it's telling you to
| drink more water, common sense. If you're scrubbing up to
| perform an at home leg amputation because it misidentified a
| bruise then that's really on you.
| probably_wrong wrote:
| I know someone who used ChatGPT to diagnose themselves with a
| rare and specific disease. They paid out of pocket for some
| expensive and intrusive diagnostics that their doctor didn't
| want to perform and it came out, surprise, that they didn't
| have this disease. The faith of this person in ChatGPT remains
| nonetheless just as high.
|
| I'm constantly amazed at the attitude that doctors are useless
| and that their multiple years of medical school and practical
| experience amounts to little more than a Google search. Or as
| someone put it, "just because a doctor messed up once it
| doesn't mean that you are the doctor now".
| plasticeagle wrote:
| This is absolutely going to kill people. In a country that had
| even a modicum of regulation around providing healthcare this
| would be illegal.
| oldjim798 wrote:
| Completely agree. It is deeply irresponsible for OpenAI to
| release this product.
|
| They should held liable for malpractice for every incorrect
| statement and advice provided by it.
| theptip wrote:
| Integration with Function is a great use-case. There is a huge
| category of pre-diagnostic health questions ("Medicine 3.0" as
| Attia puts it) where personalization and detailed interpretation
| of results is important, yet insurance typically won't cover
| preemptive treatment.
|
| Not to mention that doctors generally don't have time to explain
| everything. Recently I've been doing my own research and
| (important failsafe) running the conclusions by my doctor to
| validate. Tighter integration between physician notes, ChatGPT
| conversations, and ongoing biomarkers from e.g. function and
| Apple Health would make it possible to craft individualized
| health plans without requiring six-figure personal doctor
| subscriptions.
|
| A great opportunity to improve the status quo here.
|
| Of course - as with software, quality control will be the crux.
| We don't want "vibe diagnosing".
| zsolt224 wrote:
| What you described already exists:
|
| - for liver: https://www.longevity-tools.com/liver-function-
| interpreter - for insulin resistance: https://www.longevity-
| tools.com/glucose-metabolism-interpret...
|
| etc
| fnoef wrote:
| I'm kind of torn on this. From one side, I can't seem to trust
| doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice
| of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my
| pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don't know
| what's causing my pain.
|
| Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a
| painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history
| before they dedicate me 7 minutes, after which they move to yet
| another patient.
|
| So compared to this, AI that can analyze all my medical history,
| and has access to the entirety of medical researches that are
| publicly available, could be a very good tool to have.
|
| But at the same time technofeudalism, dystopia, etc.
| __lain__ wrote:
| This is part of the reason that alternative medicine has become
| so popular, there are definitely still some trustworthy doctors
| out there, but I share the same experience as you where I feel
| left with no recourse but to take care of things myself after
| seeing multiple doctors who make it very clear that they have
| no interest or time to listen to me.
| sallveburrpi wrote:
| All the downsides you listed can be solved by public open
| source models. The ones we have are pretty good already and I
| would hope that they only get better in the near future. Once
| you can it on your machine you can safely give it all your data
| and much more. Of course i would still like a human doctor but
| it might be a better tool for personal research before you see
| an expert than what we had in the past.
| whalesalad wrote:
| most doctors - like most mechanics - are the worst debuggers in
| humankind.
|
| I once went to the UCSF er 2x in the same weekend for an issue.
| On day one, I was told to take some ibuprofen and drink water -
| nothing to worry about. I went home, knowing this was not a
| solution. Day two I returned to the ER because my situation had
| gotten 10x worse. The (new) doctor on day 2 said "we need to
| resolve this asap" and I was moved into a room where they gave
| me a throat-numbing breating apparatus and then shoved a
| massive spinal tap needle in my throat to drain 20ml of fluid
| from behind my tonsil. I happened to bump into the doctor from
| the previous day on my way out and gave him a nice tap on the
| shoulder saying, thanks for all the help, doc. UCSF tried to
| bill me 2x for this combined event, but I told them to get
| fucked due to the negligence on day one. The billing issue
| disappeared.
|
| I had a Jeep that I took into the shop 2, 3, 4 times for a
| crazy issue. The radio, seat belt chime, and emergency flashers
| all become possessed at the same time. Using my turn signal
| would cause the radio to cut in and out. My seat belt kept
| saying it was disconnected. No one could fix it. What was the
| issue? A loose ground on the chassis that all of those
| different systems were sharing.
| https://www.wranglerforum.com/threads/2015-rubicon-with-elec...
|
| These are just two examples from my life, but there are
| countless. I just do everything myself now, because I trust no
| one else.
| jcmfernandes wrote:
| I have a very similar story. It went from ibuprofen and water
| to antibiotics the following day, to different antibiotics
| the next day, and finally to having my tonsils purged (i.e.,
| cut open) with local anesthesia in 4 days. By this time I no
| longer could speak. It was the most pain I felt in my life.
|
| I still trust doctors, but this made me much more demanding
| towards them.
| whalesalad wrote:
| That (peritonsular abscess) was also the most painful thing
| I have ever experienced in my life. I was genuinely hoping
| a lightning bolt would come out of the heavens and kill me.
| idiotsecant wrote:
| Ah, the rare 'HN person who knows more about everything than
| everyone', what a joy to see one in the wild.
|
| If you're getting bad troubleshooting it's because you're
| going to places that value moving units (people) as fast as
| possible to pay the rent. I assure you neither most mechanics
| nor most doctors are 'the worst debuggers in humankind'.
| There are plenty of mechanics and doctors that will apply a
| 65% solution to you and hope that it pays off, but they're
| far from the majority.
| Y_Y wrote:
| Unfortunately doctors are fallible humans, but also the
| infallible gatekeepers of pharmaceuticals and surgeries.
| Unfortunately I've become relatively knowledgeable about a
| condition I have myself, to the extent where I'll ofyen have
| much more subject knowledge than a given nonspecialist doctor.
| All the same they have to make on-the-spot decisions about me
| that will have serious consequences for both of us, in between
| twenty similar cases on either side.
|
| As an aside, I'm very sorry for what you're going through.
| Empathy is easy when you've had something similar! I'll say
| that in my case removing a tooth that was impinging on a nerve
| did have substantial benfits that only became clear months down
| the line. I'm not saying that will happen for you, but a bit of
| irrational optimism seems to be an empirically useful policy.
| blibble wrote:
| > I'm kind of torn on this. From one side, I can't seem to
| trust doctors any more.
|
| that's alright, if this idea takes off your insurance won't see
| any need to pay for you to speak to one, when they can dump you
| onto "AI" instead
| _qua wrote:
| > Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a
| painkiller
|
| Forgive my brusqueness here, but this could only be written by
| someone who has not yet been seriously ill.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| Doctors are usually just normal people that had the means,
| memory, drive and endurance to get through an exclusive
| education that will guarantee them a life in relative affluence
| and maximized adoration.
|
| Connected thinking, interest in helping and extensive depth or
| breadth of knowledge in anything beyond what they need for
| their chosen specializations day to day work are rare and
| coincidental.
| crmd wrote:
| I would not trust a company with no path to profitability with my
| medical health records, because they are more likely to do
| something unethical and against my interests, like selling
| insights about me to other companies, out of desperation for new
| revenue streams.
| XorNot wrote:
| America can't afford public healthcare and now can't afford RAM
| so OpenAI can offer a bad version of healthcare.
| RodgerTheGreat wrote:
| To be more precise: America could _easily_ afford healthcare,
| but American elites regularly accept pathetically tiny bribes
| to pretend that universal healthcare is impossible. They also
| accept pathetically tiny bribes to allow companies like OpenAI
| to do whatever they please without meaningful legal
| consequence, so OpenAI is able to keep getting away with
| shipping products that _cannot_ work as advertised and _will_
| kill people.
| kenjackson wrote:
| ChatGPT has become an indispensable health tool for me. It serves
| as a great complement to my doctor. And there's been at least two
| cases in our house where it provided recommendations that were of
| great value (one possibly life saving and the other saving from
| an unnecessary surgery). I think that specialized LLMs will
| eventually be the front-line doctor/nurse.
| flipbrad wrote:
| "we built foundational protections (...) including (...) training
| our models not to retain personal information from user chats"
|
| Can someone please ELI5 - why is this a training issue, rather
| than basic design? How does one "train" for this?
| SAI_Peregrinus wrote:
| I assume they want to retain all other info from user chats,
| and they're using an LLM to classify the info as "personal" or
| not.
| ipnon wrote:
| I used to work in healthtech. Information that can be used to
| identify a person is regulated in America under the Health
| Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). These
| regulations are much stricter than the free-for-all that
| constitutes usage of information in companies that are
| dependent on ad networks. These regulations are strict and
| enforceable, so a healthcare company would be fined for failing
| to protect HIPAA data. OpenAI isn't a healthcare provider yet,
| but I'm guessing this is the framework they're basing their
| data retention and protection around for this new app.
| data-ottawa wrote:
| Could be telling the memory feature not to remember these
| specific details
| dust42 wrote:
| This is just marketing nonsense. You don't have to train models
| to not retain personal information. They simply have no memory.
| In order to have a chat with an LLM, every time the whole
| conversation history gets reprocessed - it is not just the last
| answer / question gets send to the LLM but all preceding back
| and forth.
|
| But what they do is exfiltrate facts and emotions from your
| chats to create a profile of you and feed it back into future
| conversations to make it more engaging and give it a personal
| feeling. This is intentionally programmed.
| namesbc wrote:
| Such a dystopian nightmare we live in now. The US is cutting our
| actual healthcare services to subsidize this shit so billionaires
| can become trillionares while the rest of us suffer
| sys32768 wrote:
| Most doctors are just people who had a strong ability to pass
| tests and finish medical school.
|
| Most of the ones I've worked with aren't passionate about their
| specialty or their patients, and their neglect and mistakes show
| it.
| nadis wrote:
| Was anyone able to get past the 404 page to actually join the
| waitlist or try this?
|
| I hit the 404 and seems like most folks on X did too, e.g.
| replies to Greg Brockman's announcement here:
| https://x.com/gdb/status/2008984705723719884
| nadis wrote:
| Argh of course I posted this and then when I tried one more
| time after the page finally worked. Ignore the above; the page
| seems to work now (points to a waitlist).
| option wrote:
| this is great. I've been using AI for health optimization
| (exercise routine, diet, etc.) based on my biomarkers for a while
| now.
|
| Once ChatGPT recommended me a simple solution to a chronic health
| issue - a probiotic with a specific bacteria strand. And while I
| used probiotics with before, apparently they have all different
| stands of bacteria. The one ChatGPT recommended me really worked.
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