[HN Gopher] Airlines call in psychologists to stop passengers ri...
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Airlines call in psychologists to stop passengers risking their
lives for bags
Author : pseudolus
Score : 7 points
Date : 2025-12-27 22:23 UTC (37 minutes ago)
(HTM) web link (www.telegraph.co.uk)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.telegraph.co.uk)
| pseudolus wrote:
| https://archive.is/2so4c
| Lammy wrote:
| > it hasn't resulted in deaths
| avemg wrote:
| Do we need to wait for a tragedy before we do something? Good
| on the airlines and regulators for recognizing a burgeoning
| problem and taking action before (hopefully) it leads to
| unnecessary deaths.
| hlieberman wrote:
| If there is an aircraft evacuation and someone is getting their
| bag out of the carry-on, the proper response is punching them in
| the face and throwing them onto the ground so people can step
| over (or on) them.
|
| With seat pitches so tight these days, the idea that an
| evacuation can be done by unprepared people in 90 seconds is a
| pipedream, even before taking into consideration people trying to
| get their luggage.
| immibis wrote:
| Is it not simple? Tell the passengers they'll be able to get
| their bags back during an emergency. Don't just say "leave your
| bags" - say "leave your bags, you'll get them back later". After
| drilling into passengers nonstop to never leave their bags
| unattended is it any surprise passengers don't leave their bags
| unattended? No, it isn't.
| mmooss wrote:
| Lives are at stake; it doesn't matter if you get your bags back
| and that isn't hard to understand. Also, if the plane is on
| fire, you're probably not getting them back.
|
| > After drilling into passengers nonstop to never leave their
| bags unattended is it any surprise passengers don't leave their
| bags unattended?
|
| That's while going to your flight in an airport. I don't think
| anyone confuses the situations.
| Natfan wrote:
| it doesn't surprise me in the least that Japanese passengers are
| the most likely to be safe, and USAmericans are the least likely
| andy99 wrote:
| > Japanese passengers "are going to get out of the aircraft," Mr
| Careen said, while travellers in North America appear most likely
| to delay evacuating to retrieve their belongings.
|
| I'd speculate that Japanese passengers expect to promptly get
| their stuff back while North Americans know they are effectively
| throwing it in the garbage, and so are more tempted to grab a few
| things.
|
| I don't think people should grab their bags in an emergency, but
| it's amazing to me that airlines act like they can't even
| understand why people do. It feels like common sense about a low
| trust society, and airlines do nothing whatsoever to engender
| trust otherwise.
| mmooss wrote:
| > Japanese passengers expect to promptly get their stuff back
| while North Americans know they are effectively throwing it in
| the garbage
|
| If the plane has crashed and people are fleeing for their
| lives, I doubt people expect to get their bags back.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| i would bet you they would still not grab bags even if they had
| no credible reason to think they would get it back.a
| significant minority of Americans are quite
| selfish/individualistic
| danpalmer wrote:
| Very much agree. I would have no expectation of getting
| anything back, and people travel with some of their most
| important items: passports, visas, credit cards, laptops,
| phones.
|
| Unless I actually think I'm going to die, i.e. if it feels like
| it's more cautionary, I'd be very tempted to grab my
| essentials.
|
| Trust is absolutely the thing that needs to be built. Trust
| that I'm going to be taken care of, trust that I'm not going to
| have visa issues without any ID, trust that I'm going to be
| compensated, fast, if I don't get my expensive possessions
| back.
| mmooss wrote:
| If you want trust, in any situation, it starts with you: Be
| trustworthy; lead others and set an example.
|
| > Unless I actually think I'm going to die ...
|
| I think those are the situations they are talking about.
| mmooss wrote:
| Aren't they risking everyone else's lives by blocking the aisle?
| It could be made a serious crime - it's easy to see who keeps
| their bags.
|
| Lock the overheads? Maybe that will cause delay if people who
| keep trying.
|
| Also, the same people probably take their under-seat bags. I
| wonder if that causes delay - maybe it takes up space in the
| aisle, which would seem to be a bottleneck.
| exabrial wrote:
| Agree, If you're caught running with a bag from a plane (as
| we've seen on video): zero eligibility for "survivor benefits",
| $50,000 fine for endangerment, plus 100% liability for any
| injuries of those behind you.
| exabrial wrote:
| You have something like 45s-90s to get off an airplane and sprint
| for your life, I've heard. (If anyone has a source, post it).
| Keep your phone, passport, and your keys in your pockets, and
| your shoes on your feet during taxi, takeoff, landing. Do not
| wear flip flops on airlines (you can't run in them) and they
| provide zero fire protection if you have to run across flaming
| ground. Everything is replaceable.
|
| I hope it never comes to it, but I would absolutely "move" a
| person towards the exit, if needed, if they stopped to get their
| bag, only to save the lives of everyone else.
| mmooss wrote:
| I think the article says the goal is evacuation in 90 seconds
| with half the exits available, but that it hasn't been achieved
| yet.
| teeray wrote:
| Put some kind of deadbolt in there that seals the overhead
| compartments if the pilot declares an evacuation.
| mmooss wrote:
| Does anyone know what the research says? I found a few things,
| but I don't know if they represent the consensus, etc. Maybe it's
| in airline regulations somewhere?
|
| For example,
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| https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Pages/DCA00SS002....
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| https://trid.trb.org/View/2570651
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| https://www.faa.gov/data_research/research/med_humanfacs/aer...
| bombcar wrote:
| Just Joker it - two flights to each destination, but your bags
| are on the other flight.
|
| Nobody's risking their life for someone else's bag.
| crmd wrote:
| I'm not a fan of nanny-state policies, but I would support a law
| that imposes grave consequences for airline passengers found to
| be in possession of personal baggage following an evacuation.
|
| Because seconds count and lives are on the line, passengers
| should be trained to treat baggage as if it is radioactive during
| an evacuation.
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