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       How Brian Eno Created Ambient 1: Music for Airports (2019)
        
       Author : dijksterhuis
       Score  : 182 points
       Date   : 2025-12-02 07:46 UTC (15 hours ago)
        
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       | krylon wrote:
       | I love this album. I often listen to it when programming, Ambient
       | (or more generally: calm, instrumental music) helps me focus.
        
         | ktallett wrote:
         | All of his and his brother, Roger's albums are great for this
         | reason. I would recommend Svaneborg Kardyb as well, who are a
         | great instrumental band.
        
         | gonzalohm wrote:
         | Do you have any recommendations?
        
           | badmonster wrote:
           | Absolutely! For instrumental focus music, check out Nils
           | Frahm or Max Richter. Do you prefer more electronic or
           | acoustic sounds?
        
           | averne_ wrote:
           | Not OP but I also often to listen to ambient while
           | programming. A couple recommendations would be "Music for
           | Nine Post Cards" and other works by Hiroshi Yoshimura, and
           | "Music for 18 musicians" and others by Steve Reich.
           | 
           | In fact, the use of loops described in this article reminded
           | me of what Reich called "phases", basically the same concept
           | of emerging/shifting melodic patterns between different
           | samples.
        
           | jimlikeslimes wrote:
           | For a good intro the Sleepbot Environmental Broadcast radio
           | is well worth listening to. Also their write up on how and
           | why they produce the broadcast is really interesting.
        
           | ofalkaed wrote:
           | Biosphere - Shenzhou and Cirque, Stars of the Lid - The Tired
           | Sounds of The Stars of the Lid are favorites of mine. I would
           | also include everything by Microstoria which is not ambient
           | but it works to the same end.
        
             | krylon wrote:
             | Stars of the Lid are _sooooo_ good, yes! Their entire
             | catalog is amazing.
        
           | faidit wrote:
           | Drone Zone on SomaFM (free internet radio) was how I
           | discovered a lot of that stuff. Although they don't play the
           | old classics as much these days, it's still good and they
           | have a few similar stations there
           | https://somafm.com/player24/station/dronezone
        
             | PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
             | I generally find Deep Space One more appropriate for most
             | of my coding, though I used Drone Zone a lot many years
             | ago.
             | 
             | I've been supporting SomaFM for more than 20 years now, and
             | am so grateful for it. Not just the ambient stuff, but
             | Secret Agent and several others too.
        
           | globular-toast wrote:
           | Aphex Twin - _Selected Ambient Works {85-92,Volume II}_.
        
           | dijksterhuis wrote:
           | music for programming podcast:
           | https://musicforprogramming.net/latest/
           | 
           | some of the artists below are not _strictly speaking_ ambient
           | as in brian eno kind of ambient
           | 
           | jogging house, r beny, biosphere, anthony childs (surgeon
           | doing ambient), abul mogard, alessandro cortini, alva noto
           | (glitchy ambient), benoit piouliard, bing & ruth, bvdub, mu
           | tate, jake muir, ulla, log et3rnal, space afrika, heurco s,
           | donato dozzy - plays bee mask, imaginary softwoods, jo
           | johnson, koen holtkamp, mountains, kyle bobby dunn, oneohtrix
           | point never, neel, pendant, romeo poirier, domenique dumont,
           | ...
        
           | tuzemec wrote:
           | For me - Aes Dana (Season 5 is still my favorite) and Carbon
           | Based Lifeforms (Hydroponic Garden, World of Sleepers,
           | Interloper).
           | 
           | Actually, check out the whole Ultimae catalogue:
           | https://bandcamp.com/ultimae
        
             | krylon wrote:
             | Carbon Based Lifeforms are amazing.
        
               | ErneX wrote:
               | Their album World of Sleepers is my favourite from them.
        
               | ilvez wrote:
               | Sadly they peaked pre 2010 and then slowly became
               | average.. Was huge fan on the days and saw them live once
               | and DJ set another time..
        
               | Fnoord wrote:
               | I guess I agree (used to be a massive 90's EBM collector
               | together with my ex, though I kind of got out of the loop
               | of EBM end of 00's / start of 10's). Seeing a Woob album
               | from 1994 recommended a few comments below <3 for CBL, I
               | do like the track ~42 degrees.
               | 
               | How we used to find music: go to the record store every
               | week to listen to whatever you couldn't afford, look at
               | P2P networks at people who like similar music as you, and
               | browse their collections. Eventually, use Discogs to
               | search. Or simply _talk_ with other people (at parties,
               | on the internet) who also like the same music.
               | 
               | How we can find music nowadays: Spotify (and such). I
               | mean, seriously. Their suggestions can open you up to a
               | plethora of new artists. If you then look at the top 10,
               | chances are you'll like some of their work. I found a lot
               | of music this way, for all kind of genres. As Valve's
               | Gabe used to say: piracy is a service problem. Though I
               | am not sure Spotify is so good for the artists, given
               | they earn pennies via that.
               | 
               | ..and it is still nowhere to getting and downloading and
               | listening 24/7 to every new release (or, well... trying
               | to), using SMB to the NAS (which automatically gets the
               | releases from a scene FTP) and Winamp locally to add some
               | .m3u files.
        
           | krylon wrote:
           | Sleep by Max Richter is great (and very long)
           | 
           | Sunset Mission by Bohren & Der Club of Gore is very very
           | sleepy Jazz (they have released more albums, but this one is
           | my favorite by a wide margin)
           | 
           | Long Ambients 1 & 2 by Moby - he was kind enough to make them
           | available for download free of charge, too
           | 
           | Under Wires and Search Lights by Marconi Union
           | 
           | In A Silent Way by Miles Davis
           | 
           | Pretty much anything by Sigur Ros. It's not strictly speaking
           | instrumental, but the lyrics are Icelandic, which I don't
           | speak, so it's close enough
           | 
           | Cocteau Twins recorded many very ambient-ish albums. Not
           | instrumental, but the "lyrics" are mostly glossolalia, so not
           | distracting (at least for me).
        
             | fragmede wrote:
             | Here that is on spotify:
             | https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3d3e49rSmge86cU4D4u8mn
        
             | Towaway69 wrote:
             | No particular order:
             | 
             | Max Richter, John Cage, Tangerine Dreams, Klaus Schulze,
             | Gavin Bryars, Richard Chartier, Asmus Tietchens, Tomaga,
             | Boards of Canada, Stars of the Lid, William Basiniki,
             | Joanna Brouk, Pauline Oliveros ...
             | 
             | I do way too much coding...
        
               | benrutter wrote:
               | > Pauline Oliveros
               | 
               | Yes yes yes! Finally someone who won't make fun of me for
               | listening to Horse Singd from a Cloud.
               | 
               | You should add Laurie Spiegel to your list, something
               | tells me you'd enjoy.
        
               | dackle wrote:
               | "Deep Listening" by Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster and
               | Panaiotis is also excellent:
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U__lpPDTUS4
        
               | Towaway69 wrote:
               | > Laurie Spiegel
               | 
               | Just listening to "Appalachian Grove I" - Nice, thanks
               | for the tip :thumbsup:
        
             | Duanemclemore wrote:
             | Excellent recs.
             | 
             | If anyone reading this like Bohren & Der Club of Gore, also
             | check out Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble.
             | 
             | And if you vibe with Sigurd Ros, check out Godspeed You!
             | Black Emperor too.
        
           | tuyiown wrote:
           | I've not seen Global Communication mentioned, 76:14 really is
           | masterpiece. (Gamers will recognize a tune featured on GTA
           | IV)
        
             | trq01758 wrote:
             | Yeah, everything's interconnected as Tangerine Dream got to
             | work on GTA V soundtrack. There is this note about that
             | track on Wikipedia:
             | 
             | The track "5:23" is included in the 2008 video game Grand
             | Theft Auto IV and appears on the soundtrack album The Music
             | of Grand Theft Auto IV. In the digital release it is listed
             | as "Maiden Voyage". This track is very similar to, but does
             | not credit, the song "Love on a Real Train" by Tangerine
             | Dream from the Risky Business soundtrack. They had remixed
             | the song for a then upcoming Tangerine Dream remix album
             | but had their effort rejected so released it as 5'23
             | instead.
        
           | arcanemachiner wrote:
           | Here's a playlist list of long-form ambient drone stuff I've
           | been curating for a couple years now:
           | 
           | https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGMYnukvmgiXXFxuTKDvZfw-e.
           | ..
           | 
           | I listen to it while I work.
        
           | lemonberry wrote:
           | Aphex Twin's "Digeridoo" is incredible. It's a 4-song EP so
           | it repeats often, but that's a feature for me.
        
           | Towaway69 wrote:
           | A good place for experimental music is ubu web, in fact Brian
           | Eno is also over there[1].
           | 
           | Edit:
           | 
           | Also if you're a programmer and what to learn a new
           | programming language, then check out SuperCollider[2]. You
           | can use that to create your own ambient sounds. SC has a
           | great library for creating user interfaces along with
           | creating sound.
           | 
           | [1]: https://ubu.com/film/eno_77_interview.html
           | 
           | [2]: https://supercollider.github.io/
        
             | ElectroSlayer wrote:
             | There's also Strudel as a programmatic music composing app:
             | https://strudel.cc/
        
               | fragmede wrote:
               | Which, Claude is better than ChatGPT at generating code
               | for.
        
               | Towaway69 wrote:
               | My personal favourite for online is noisecraft, for
               | example: https://noisecraft.app/1961
               | 
               | now that is fun to watch :)
        
           | Libidinalecon wrote:
           | The best is the instrumentals on David Bowie's Low IMO.
           | 
           | I know people love Music for Airports but I think it is
           | incredibly boring compared to what Eno did with Bowie.
           | 
           | Beyond that the first few albums by The Orb are top notch.
           | 
           | Balam Acab - See Birds and Wander/Wonder are incredible.
        
           | leokennis wrote:
           | I have so many suggestions.
           | 
           | But if I had to pick one: Stars of the Lid - The Tired Sounds
           | of Start of the Lid
        
           | ilvez wrote:
           | Woob 1194 by Woob. Immersive, maybe darker than most would
           | like, but deep and very graphical sound.
           | 
           | https://woob.bandcamp.com/album/woob-1194
        
           | matteason wrote:
           | I have an 'Ambient Radio' channel on https://ambiph.one, my
           | soundscape generator: https://ambiph.one/?m=1-Ambient+Radio-
           | bf100
           | 
           | There are some great less-well-known artists on there - if
           | you tap the album art it'll link you to their Bandcamp if
           | they have one
        
           | ilvez wrote:
           | If drone with later neoclassical touch then Marsen Jules has
           | delivered very stable and top tier. Brilliant guy.
           | 
           | https://marsenjules.bandcamp.com/
        
           | louiereederson wrote:
           | i have a 5hr playlist on spotify called lost in the sea of
           | ambien which happens to have many of the artist recos here.
           | title is a reference to haruomi hosono who said he got lost
           | in the sea of ambient in the 80s after leaving ymo.
        
           | goosejuice wrote:
           | https://richardhoughten.bandcamp.com/music
           | 
           | https://domeniquedumont.bandcamp.com/
           | 
           | https://marylattimoreharpist.bandcamp.com/
           | 
           | https://archive.org/details/Tipper-CosmAmbientSet
           | 
           | https://williamtyler.bandcamp.com/
           | 
           | None of these artists are strictly ambient though
        
           | eej71 wrote:
           | You might like Patrick O'Hearn.
        
           | bradly wrote:
           | A lot of great recs in this thread, but I'll a couple others
           | I didn't see listed yet:
           | 
           | Mort Garson: Mother Earth's Plantasia
           | 
           | Hiroshi Yoshimura: Surround
           | 
           | Satoshi Ashikawa: Still Way (Wave Notation 2)
           | 
           | Shameless plug... Search BirdyMusic.com in Spotify/Apple
           | Music/YouTube Music to hear some ambient music algo generated
           | based on realtime Birdnet detections and weather in my
           | backyard.
        
           | jacquesm wrote:
           | Hania Rani: Esja.
        
           | doron wrote:
           | For a more droned style - the works of Abul Mogard
        
           | fallinditch wrote:
           | I recommend Stair (2:22:22) by datassette for focus and
           | ambient background. The artist recorded the sound of downtown
           | Chicago overnight from his hotel and then processed and mixed
           | this together with processed sounds from MS-DOS strategy game
           | soundtracks from the 80s. Brilliant.
           | 
           | https://datassette.bandcamp.com/track/stair-2-22-22
        
           | hylaride wrote:
           | Loscil - First Narrows album is great and was used in the
           | game Osmos.
           | 
           | Ulrich Schnauss - Far Away Trains Passing by Album,
           | particularly the songs "passing by" and "knuddelmous"
           | 
           | Kromattic "song "porcelain"
           | 
           | Peardiver - song "hangout"
           | 
           | lechiffrebeats - song Moonlight Garden
           | 
           | Lori Travel - song "apple lamp"
           | 
           | King of Woolworths - Song "Theydon"
           | 
           | Aisake - song "autumn Leaves"
           | 
           | Christopher Willits - song "wide"
           | 
           | Northscape - song "approaching the trig point"
           | 
           | Kiasmos - song "blurred"
           | 
           | Celer - song "Diphenhydramine"
           | 
           | Tony Anderson - song "Ariana"
           | 
           | East Forest - Album "Music for Mushrooms: A soundtrack for
           | the Psychedelic Practitioner"
           | 
           | If you're on Apple Music, look for the shared playlist Lo-Fi
           | Chill: https://music.apple.com/ca/playlist/lo-fi-
           | chill/pl.1d5ead185...
        
           | anjel wrote:
           | The Dead Texan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zebxXliFtg
        
           | jcynix wrote:
           | I'll second Max Richter's Sleep. Timeline by Edith Progue
           | might interest you too. The later is my favorite xcalm down"
           | CD even before Max Richter's, when I'm too restless to sleep.
           | 
           | And maybe Glitch (music) might be of interest as a starting
           | point, especially the "Clicks & Cuts Series" which gave me a
           | lot of pointers to interesting niche artists.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clicks_%26_Cuts_Series
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_%28music%29
        
         | andyjohnson0 wrote:
         | > I love this album. I often listen to it when programming
         | 
         | Me too. Its been a coding zone favourite of mine for many
         | years.
         | 
         | The classical/instrumental version by _Bang on a Can_ [1] is
         | good too.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.discogs.com/release/1140705-Bang-On-A-Can-
         | Brian-...
        
         | soulofmischief wrote:
         | This album helps me wake up, helps me go to sleep, helps me
         | focus, and keeps me centered. Eno's works are so versatile.
         | 
         | Another favorite is Eno's Discreet Music. Gives me chills every
         | time. One of my favorite records to fly to.
        
       | ktallett wrote:
       | I am always vastly impressed by the beauty of instrumental
       | albums, and just how memorable and easy listening they are. Eno
       | is of course so high up the list, but as I have got older I have
       | explored instrumental music, from classical to jazz far more and
       | there is true beauty and artistry in conveying your message and
       | making people feel with just instruments and no words.
        
       | MultifokalHirn wrote:
       | "Ambient 4: On Land" is for me one of the most beautiful and
       | mystical Albums of all time
        
       | pickledoyster wrote:
       | I did not realize Eno could not read sheet music. I always
       | thought he used graphical expressions in his presentations as an
       | artistic choice.
        
       | rckt wrote:
       | Wow. I turned on the randomized tracks under the "Deconstructing
       | 1/2" and it's beautiful.
        
       | interleave wrote:
       | Also a huge Eno fan here. Put together, I probably have listened
       | to Music for Airports, Another Green World, Taking Tiger Mountain
       | and Discreet Music more than any other artist. Maybe Philip Glass
       | comes in at a close second.
       | 
       | Anyways, in 2016, Tero Parviainen (@teropa) shared this really
       | cool long-form exploration called "JavaScript Systems Music -
       | Learning Web Audio by Recreating The Works of Steve Reich and
       | Brian Eno" that I enjoyed tremendously (and I don't even like
       | Javascript!)
       | 
       | Check it out at: https://teropa.info/blog/2016/07/28/javascript-
       | systems-music...
        
         | bradly wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing. I've been on a path of algo music with
         | JavaScript (I also do not enjoy JavaScript) and have mostly
         | just guess-and-checked my way through it. I'm going to work
         | through this as my advent of code project.
         | 
         | Yesterday I put up a little dictionary of synth sounds that I'm
         | building out to help me on my journey
         | (https://synthrecipes.org). The goal to be able to export any
         | particular sound in a format for different live coding
         | environments. Sounds are defined in a JSON format like
         | https://synthrecipes.org/recipes/acid-bass.json. I'll open
         | source it today so other can submit sounds.
         | 
         | --
         | 
         | Edit: I've open sourced the repo so others can improve existing
         | sounds and add new ones. https://github.com/bradly/synth-
         | recipes/tree/main
        
           | HansardExpert wrote:
           | Did you know https://play.generative.fm/browse
        
             | bradly wrote:
             | I did not! Very cool. Thanks for sharing. Is there a way to
             | see the source for the sounds?
        
           | criddell wrote:
           | That's really cool.
           | 
           | Music is funny. I played the closed hi-hat sound
           | (https://synthrecipes.org/#closed-hi-hat) a couple of times
           | and my brain instantly started playing AC/DC's, Back in
           | Black. I probably haven't listened to that song in 15 years
           | and now I'm shuffling AC/DC on Spotify.
           | 
           | Also, the "Sub bass" link might be broken:
           | 
           | https://synthrecipes.org/#Sub-bass
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Check out his work with Jon Hassel and if you feel like it
         | 'Pearl'.
         | 
         | Both are - in my opinion, of course - awesome. Though the Jon
         | Hassel collaboration may take a while to grow on you.
        
       | tomhow wrote:
       | Previously:
       | 
       |  _How Brian Eno Created Ambient 1: Music for Airports (2019)_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33172448 - Oct 2022 (127
       | comments)
        
         | flobosg wrote:
         | Related: "A 6-Hour Time-Stretched Version of Brian Eno's Music
         | for Airports" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43520122
        
       | zebproj wrote:
       | I often use the general algorithm for 2/1 as my "hello world"
       | when I'm building new generative music systems. You don't need
       | too many ingredients to set it up, and it yields some
       | surprisingly decent sounding results.
       | 
       | The most recent one[0] I made was done when I was playing around
       | with Rust, WASM, and WebAudio. (You'll need to press somewhere to
       | start the sound)
       | 
       | 0: https://pbat.ch/isorhythms/
        
         | bradly wrote:
         | Great sound!
         | 
         | This Sonic Pi example really blew my mind when I first heard
         | it. Such a rich sound out of three notes.
         | use_synth :hollow         with_fx :reverb, mix: 0.7 do
         | live_loop :note1 do             play choose([:D4,:E4]), attack:
         | 6, release: 6             sleep 8           end
         | live_loop :note2 do             play choose([:Fs4,:G4]),
         | attack: 4, release: 5             sleep 10           end
         | live_loop :note3 do             play choose([:A4, :Cs5]),
         | attack: 5, release: 5             sleep 11           end
         | end
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Nice one! Really like the visualization, as a note starts
         | expanding I try to predict what it will sound like.
        
       | matt_daemon wrote:
       | This is an insanely cool blog
        
       | cons0le wrote:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geL0UVnSfvQ
        
       | jmclnx wrote:
       | I like this type of music when working and other things, that
       | does not get many mentions. And they play a decent amount of
       | Brian Eno's stuff.
       | 
       | http://www.echoesofbluemars.org/
       | 
       | I think their bluemars stream is great.
        
         | welcome_dragon wrote:
         | Wow! I had no idea blue Mars was still around. I've been
         | looking for an alternative to soma fm
        
           | jmclnx wrote:
           | When Blue Mars disappeared, echos appeared to play the same
           | music :)
        
       | JKCalhoun wrote:
       | Conny Plank was a catalyst or genius (or both). He keeps showing
       | up when I look into some of my favorite produced music. Besides
       | Kraftwerk, I think the Ultravox! album, "Systems of a Romance",
       | was the next time I saw his name. And then, more and more...
        
       | Kreutzer wrote:
       | >To dig deeper into this style of tape loop ambient music, check
       | out William Basinski's The Disintegration Loops. William Basinski
       | used a similar concept to Brian Eno, only the tapes he used
       | rapidly deteriorated upon playback, causing the musical material
       | to degrade over the length of the recording.
       | 
       | I've never "bought" the story of Disintegration Loops that
       | Basinski tells about its creation. The idea he composed it
       | literally during the 9/11 attacks was just a silly attempt to add
       | gravitas to abstract music. The more you think about it, the more
       | off-putting it becomes. Reminds me of Stockhausen's stupendous
       | remark about 9/11 being "the biggest work of art there has ever
       | been".
       | 
       | In the same vein, tape doesn't normally just deteriorate before
       | your eyes. The gradual change in sound of the loops is more
       | likely due to the guitar pedal chain he was running his loops
       | into (Basinski tends to omit this part of its creation).
        
         | jdee wrote:
         | I went to see William Basinski 'live' in Liverpool at Yoko
         | Ono's Tung Auditorium. William stood in front of his MacBook,
         | waving his arms like a conductor and drinking red wine.
         | 
         | Halfway through, he said he was tired with travelling and left
         | the stage.
         | 
         | The audience continued to sit there for another hour, staring
         | at the lid of the MacBook that was making the music. When it
         | finished, we applauded the MacBook and left.
         | 
         | Quite surreal. Very enjoyable though.
        
         | uslic001 wrote:
         | One of my first ambient records I bought after I got into Music
         | for Airports by Eno. Still one of my favorites. After those two
         | I got into Stars for the Lid.
        
         | asdhtjkujh wrote:
         | Despite being categorically "non-narrative" music, the
         | longevity of both records is almost entirely dependent on these
         | narratives behind them. Ambient 2-4 are musically much more
         | interesting, but the memetic quality of its origin story has
         | given Ambient 1 (and the Basinski record) undue attention over
         | time. Conceptually pure, yes! Sonically compelling, maybe. At
         | least the Eno's approach was novel.
         | 
         | Also, Stockhausen was not entirely wrong. It was insensitive
         | and poorly phrased, but 9/11 is undoubtedly the defining
         | aesthetic image of our time.
        
         | pram wrote:
         | That isn't true. The "loop tape" was already like 20 years old
         | IIRC, it was already disintegrated by 9/11
        
       | xrd wrote:
       | Reading this article makes me want to point out the difference
       | between commercial music software and open source software.
       | 
       | What stands out here was that Eno used very simple sounds and
       | looped them. This was not a complicated rube-goldberg machine he
       | built to finally get to these masterpieces. It was simple
       | recordings of voices, looped.
       | 
       | Reggie Watts makes incredible, and non-traditional, electronic
       | house music, basically just his voice and looping machine
       | (granted he does have a 4 octave range, but...). So organic and
       | human.
       | 
       | Same for Matthew Herbert, see his manifesto:
       | https://prruk.org/personal-contract-for-the-composition-of-m....
       | It is all organic.
       | 
       | This is what makes me a little sad when I play with all the
       | amazing open source tools on Linux. Ardour is great. Hydrogen is
       | great. Sonic-PI is incredible.
       | 
       | But, the UI's are not the best. Getting started requires a ton of
       | reading and researching. It is a long way to just "play" (I mean
       | playing like a child, not playing piano).
       | 
       | For example, I wish Sonic-PI had a better way of writing music
       | than JUST writing out ruby. I like ruby as a language, and I'm
       | surprised there is not a way to easily extend the Sonic-PI tool
       | so I can plugin my Novation drum pad and easily trigger samples
       | and notes. I can absolutely watch for MIDI notes from Novation,
       | and take actions in ruby code, but it kills my creativity to do
       | it that way. I wish I could build a tiny set of buttons that
       | shows me that which is not a stream of logs. I never feel like
       | Sonic-PI puts me into a creative mode. It feels like trying to
       | jam the beauty of a harp into emacs. And, I love emacs.
       | 
       | Open source music software could have bespoke custom UIs for any
       | user. I'm a command line guy so I'm part of the problem. But,
       | these tools should be customizable to make our own bespoke UIs
       | which match the beginner level, or the advance level, or anything
       | in between.
        
         | barfoure wrote:
         | You think open source has a UX problem? Try learning to play a
         | guitar. It's so bad it makes some people's fingers bleed.
         | People spend years learning how to play and they still say they
         | have a long way to go!
        
         | PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
         | > But, the UI's are not the best.
         | 
         | Try jumping into _any_ DAW without  "a ton of reading and
         | researching".
         | 
         | Granted, there are hardware drum machines and sequencers that
         | you can "play" with as a completely fresh user, but these tend
         | to be the exception rather than the rule. The newer generation
         | of hardware sequencers (say the Elektron series) are quite
         | impenetrable without spending a significant amount of time
         | learning about what they can do and how to do it.
         | 
         | > Open source music software could have bespoke custom UIs for
         | any user.
         | 
         | from the voice of experience, I'll tell you that this makes
         | user support almost impossible, or at least, extremely
         | difficult and frustrating.
        
           | xrd wrote:
           | I 100% agree with everything you said.
           | 
           | But, when I use open source, I assume user support == "me
           | supporting it". That often means reading the docs, reviewing
           | source code, (and lately, asking claude...)
           | 
           | I'm just saying I want to be permitted to build my own UI,
           | easily. I think that should be front and center in the design
           | decisions. I sheepishly think of Sonic-PI, and how incredibly
           | hard Aaron has been working for years and know he was rightly
           | focused on the backend pieces, which are incredibly complex.
           | I don't think he should do the "UI-only-for-me-and-not-for-
           | thee" work, but maybe as a community we can start doing
           | better about making bespoke UI possible.
        
         | soulofmischief wrote:
         | You should check out Andrew and Ben's work, Extempore.
         | 
         | There is definitely a learning curve, but after reading the
         | basics and poking through the examples, you realize you can do
         | anything.
         | 
         | Lots of C libraries have wrappers already written and you can
         | also write your own. I wrote a curl wrapper and pulled live
         | data from sources such as weather APIs, assigned different
         | facets of the data to different instruments and dynamics. You
         | can write GL shaders and generally create your own interfaces.
         | 
         | It's also fully networked with sample-accurate synchronization,
         | so that it's very easy to construct distributed computation and
         | physical interaction. This is where the cyberphysical
         | programming aspect comes into play.
         | 
         | Extempore has support for MIDI devices, and I've really pushed
         | my gear to the limit with it. It is also very low level; you
         | even write your own DSP. But you create libraries over time so
         | that spontaneous jams don't require twenty minutes of fiddling
         | first.
         | 
         | It took a lot of time to feel comfortable in the environment
         | when I first got into it years ago, but with modern agentic
         | IDRs such as Cursor, you should have a much, much easier time.
         | It's great for writing algorithmic music and really great for
         | freeform jam sessions. Lots of built in goodies that will
         | really inspire you.
         | 
         | Also it's LISP.
         | 
         | https://extemporelang.github.io/
        
       | firefax wrote:
       | I always assumed he spoke to the airport about what sorts of
       | music it enjoys, this method seems needlessly hostile to user
       | research.
        
         | cromulent wrote:
         | I imagined it was what he - as an airport user - thought
         | airports should play.
        
       | Duanemclemore wrote:
       | Eno has been an inspiration for my entire music listening life.
       | U2's Achtung Baby and Zooropa - both of which Eno was a partner
       | in making - came out in my preteens. It's tough for a kid in the
       | rural midwest to find Brian Eno, but as soon as I got to a place
       | with cultural access I was all over his work. And once Pandora
       | and internet radio came out I was able to go deeper and in to
       | contemporary composition and other related genres.
       | 
       | But even with almost 30 years of listening to this stuff,
       | sometimes a really obvious one slips through the cracks.
       | 
       | I hadn't heard of or listened to Tim Hecker until just this year.
       | And oh man, I haven't felt this way about finding a "new" artist
       | in a long time. If you want a good entry point start with his
       | mid-career Ravedeath, 1972 [0] and its companion Dropped Pianos
       | (both of which feature the MIT Piano Drop on the cover) and work
       | forward and backward from there.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravedeath,_1972
        
         | soiltype wrote:
         | Weird - I also listened to ambient music for almost a decade
         | before hearing about Tim Hecker. I have to second the
         | recommendation, although I started in a different place - when
         | I first heard Harmony in Ultraviolet, it was like something
         | clicked into place. Ambient music had been missing something
         | and I hadn't even known it.
         | 
         | I had a similar experience with Abul Mogard. Whoever they
         | really are is a genius of immense soundscapes.
        
       | xoxxala wrote:
       | Brian Eno has this great line from the liner notes for this
       | album:
       | 
       | "Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of
       | listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must
       | be as ignorable as it is interesting."
       | 
       | I've always found ambient to be perfect for listening while
       | working. Now I understand why!
        
         | soiltype wrote:
         | Thanks for the quote. It shows why Eno was so successful - I
         | find all my favorites work either as entirely background sound
         | or as a total listening experience on their own.
        
       | ravetcofx wrote:
       | I was often confused by Brian Eno and Brian Green, who made one
       | of my favorite albums Music for Home. The later has been a
       | musician and producer for Rufus Wainwright, Michael Buble, John
       | Legend and others.
        
         | soulofmischief wrote:
         | There is also Brian Greene, the theoretical physicist.
        
       | CompoundEyes wrote:
       | I trained myself to take a power nap to track "2/2" on that
       | record. After a really hard workout, getting cleaned up, having a
       | bite to eat and drifting off for 30 minutes so many times it has
       | a warm spot in my heart. I like that music can serve as
       | "functional". I also recommend Mindspring Memories if you have
       | nostalgia of the personal computing boom for a unique ambient. To
       | me it evokes what trying out a Phillips CD-i at my local
       | department store felt like in 1991. YMMV
        
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