[HN Gopher] C100 Developer Terminal
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C100 Developer Terminal
Author : matthewsinclair
Score : 119 points
Date : 2025-11-26 23:22 UTC (23 hours ago)
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| internetguy wrote:
| their in-house Workbench distro seems really cool, looks super
| light and minimalistic. IMHO it's also priced reasonably enough.
| dkackman11 wrote:
| sure hope you can choose which side that ten key is on
| nsingh2 wrote:
| That's quite the long esc key. An ortholinear layout would be
| nice too.
| doug_durham wrote:
| "Get out of your way" is marketing speak to cover for missing
| applications. I've rarely seen such a blatant piece of marketing.
| "A computer for experts". Any computer with access to a terminal
| prompt is a computer for experts.
| notnmeyer wrote:
| ehhhh, i disagree partially. a less cynical take would be to
| call it "opinionated".
|
| any computer can be for "experts", but that's not the same as
| delivering something preconfigured and opinionated.
|
| nobody has actually seen this thing in action yet, but in my
| head it's hardware + some opinionated linux distro (i imagine
| something like omarchy) + support.
|
| certainly not what everybody would want, but if there are
| people that enjoy configuring their systems then there's people
| that don't.
| stonogo wrote:
| It's a Fedora spin.
| rickcarlino wrote:
| I'll be really happy if this becomes a market segment. A
| commercial desktop specifically for technical users on Linux is
| great to see.
| overgard wrote:
| System76 exists
| mrgoldenbrown wrote:
| What specific technical thing about this makes it appealing?
| The marketing speak sounds nice but is there anything you're
| seeing here that you wouldn't get in a MacBook or Thinkpad
| equivalently priced? There is not much detail.
| rickcarlino wrote:
| I'm not endorsing the device. It might be mediocre, and the
| company might be too. What I like is the direction. Most of
| the criticism in this thread focuses on the marketing, but
| that's actually the part I find interesting: it's explicitly
| aimed at Linux-centric desktop users without pretending to be
| "just like Windows" or trying to hide the fact that it's
| Linux.
|
| Plenty of people are frustrated with the current Windows
| ecosystem (Microsoft account login really bothers me for a
| lot of reasons). The market usually responds with one of two
| things: a Windows laptop you can convert into a Linux
| machine, or a Linux machine that tries very hard not to act
| like one. This is at least purporting to be neither (maybe
| they are full of shit, who knows). It's trying to sell a
| finished, opinionated product for power users on Linux. Even
| if this particular device ends up turning into the next
| juicero/Rabbit R100, I'm glad to see someone treating that
| segment as worth designing for.
|
| So yeah computer vendors, go ahead and do this more I like
| the vibes here even if I have no intention on buying right
| now.
| wmf wrote:
| The philosophy does sound good but the implementation
| appears to be skin deep. It's just not enough.
| voidUpdate wrote:
| > "a Windows laptop you can convert into a Linux machine,
| or a Linux machine that tries very hard not to act like
| one"
|
| You can buy computers with nothing installed on them if you
| want, and computer is computer (for the most part), so you
| can run whatever you want on it. I think the linux space is
| generally too fragmented into all the different distros to
| offer a "linux laptop", because people will wonder why it's
| not shipping with their favourite flavour of penguin
| rickcarlino wrote:
| > You can buy computers with nothing installed on them if
| you want
|
| There's nothing wrong with that approach, but this is
| exactly the opposite of what I am saying.
|
| To clarify, when you buy a computer with nothing on it,
| you are actually buying a windows computer that had
| windows removed or opted-out of. It was not built with
| Linux in mind.
| mapcars wrote:
| Its cringe to see something for enthusiasts cost 2k$ and have a
| keyboard layout from 100 years ago. I expect nothing less than
| ortholinear with thumb clusters
| keithnz wrote:
| the choices made on the keyboard layout seem weird to me, though
| I do like the left hand numpad. But the big esc? the Fn key up
| top right seems like it makes key chords with it kind of hard. No
| ins key? no prt scr? is that 3 ctrl keys? or is that a caps lock?
| arrow keys etc seem a bit far away from main keyboard...
| tom_ wrote:
| Including the keyboard seems a strange choice, especially when
| it's an oddity such as this one. Surely it'd be cheaper to add
| an extra USB port and have the buyer supply their own? I mouse
| left-handed, so a left hand numpad makes it an instant no from
| me - but even if you don't care what I think (which you
| shouldn't), there's so many other oddities in the layout as
| well! Where's PrtSc? Why is the Esc key so gigantic? Why is F7
| not in its normal place? And, wait a moment - what is PS doing
| on 4? Why is EUR on 5?
|
| This company is apparently based in London, but I wonder how
| many UK residents were involved in the design of the keyboard
| at least.
|
| (I don't want to sound too mean though. It's no sin to attempt
| to experiment with a potential new market segment.)
| voidUpdate wrote:
| From what I can tell, it's a US International layout (https:/
| /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards...),
| with some keys replaced with the mac equivalents
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| - $2,000 price
|
| - GPU is equivalent to a NVIDIA RTX 1650
|
| - "Low profile" mechanical keyboard rather than a regular
| mechanical keyboard.
|
| - Low modularity similar to a laptop.
|
| - Holes right on the top where your spilled coffee goes
| danpalmer wrote:
| Nothing screams "designed to accelerate your work" than tightly
| coupling the keyboard to all the rest of the hardware.
| BrouteMinou wrote:
| That's a weird keyboard, some computer specs and a weird linux
| distro... that's going to cost you $2k.
|
| $100 to have the rights to reserve one? That's really nice of
| them.
|
| Well... Good luck guys!
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| > $100 to have the rights to reserve one? That's really nice of
| them.
|
| I paid PS100 for a couple of old Thinkpad T430s, one of which I
| needed to spend a further PS30 on to replace the battery.
|
| That would leave me with a lot of change from the two grand I
| kind of don't have to spend on a toy computer that they won't
| even publish specs for.
| meonkeys wrote:
| Hard pass. Another Linux laptop with another sus distro won't
| teach anyone how to focus. Save a hand-me-down laptop from the
| landfill, install a known good distro, and do the hard work of
| culling distractions.
| gorgoiler wrote:
| I was hoping to see a flip up 12" x 4" screen. A bunch of devices
| have been showing up recently with this particular format of
| OLED. Here's one that may or may not be vaporware, but which
| links to a couple of other devices with the same screen, so
| presumably _something_ is shipping:
|
| https://liliputing.com/kernelcom-is-a-compact-mini-laptop-wi...
|
| Alas, this is more of a BBC B / Amiga format nostalgia fest, from
| the homeland of the hipster dads, Central Shoreditch.
|
| This device could certainly add real value though if the OS /
| hardware integration gets nailed. That is, after all, where the
| Raspberry Pi really shone brightly: defining a standardised and
| _working_ platform.
| flir wrote:
| > the homeland of the hipster dads, Central Shoreditch
|
| Old enough to remember when the hipsters moved in, I feel
| vindicated. Vindicated!
|
| (I like the beeb/amiga comparison, and I like the textured
| case, but I don't like the left-hand numpad).
| xorvoid wrote:
| Here's someone trying to build a serious PC focused on Linux. But
| the comments are very negative. And people wonder why the year of
| the Linux desktop still haven't arrived.
|
| If you want PCs targeting Linux with good support... don't
| complain when someone tries doing exactly that.
| summa_tech wrote:
| I think a lot of the negativity comes from the odd choice of
| keyboard layout.
|
| You can think of it as a weirdness budget: this is an odd-
| purposed device, running a specialty distribution of Linux by
| design. It is not portable despite having portable-like specs.
| And on top of this, it has an unusual keyboard layout.
|
| It costs a lot of money and requires pre-orders, so you can't
| even impulse buy it. You can't actually see if you'd like the
| keyboard switch or layout in stores, either.
| canucker2016 wrote:
| I just assumed that the keyboard designer was a left-handed
| accounting/Excel geek (numeric keypad on the left side of the
| keyboard).
| wmf wrote:
| You can get a normal PC with Linux preinstalled from Lenovo,
| Dell, Framework, System76, etc. This isn't bringing much new
| other than a retro case, a few widgets, and pretentious
| marketing. I understand that they're probably "lean' so the
| first version isn't going to be impressive, but that means they
| need to sell it below cost not at a premium.
| keithnz wrote:
| you should complain a lot when the offering is not great, odd
| design decisions, bad price point, etc.... All of that is
| information to make better offerings. Instead of this thing, I
| think there are far better offerings from things like
| https://system76.com/laptops
| api wrote:
| It's just not a good deal and it's a bit weird. A Framework
| laptop or desktop, a DIY build, or any number of other brands
| are better and sometimes cheaper.
| chrsw wrote:
| I could be wrong but I think a lot of the negativity comes from
| people who want a modern laptop, with decent port selection, a
| good screen and a good keyboard, fully supported by Linux
| because everything is open. Quality hardware with support when
| you want it and open documentation and open drivers if you want
| to do something yourself. Like a MacBook Pro but with USB-A
| ports and built with 100% Linux compatibility from the ground
| up.
| gyulai wrote:
| > Here's someone _trying_ [...] don 't complain when someone
| _tries_ doing exactly that.
|
| From this site, we have no indication that any actual person is
| putting any kind of good-faith effort towards _trying_ any
| actual thing.
|
| All we know is that a bunch of marketers are trying to find
| out: Given a certain amount of marketing effort, how many
| people can we sign up to a mailing list, and how many people
| can we get to pay a $99 reservation fee, if the product
| proposition is: You'll get a slick-looking "Developer-Terminal"
| (specifics to be determined) for $1.999. -- Based on that, they
| will decide whether they will lift a finger to figure out what
| the product should actually be, let alone put any resources
| towards developing it.
|
| That's where the negativity comes from. They are eroding
| people's good will. Good will that is sorely needed when actual
| companies make actual products and need actual consumers to pay
| attention to actual product launches.
| necrotic_comp wrote:
| This isn't made by developers, that's clear, and I don't think
| it's going to be very functional. However, I do love the
| aesthetic and I do love that someone is trying _something_ new.
| garciasn wrote:
| By new you mean they're making a 1980s all-in-one
| keyboard/computer with the 10 key on the wrong side of the
| keyboard running a version of a familiar-to-most-of-us OS that
| isn't at all new looking?
|
| I'm sorry; none of this is new to me except the absurd price
| tag.
| ash_091 wrote:
| While I agree with your general sentiment, the 10 key being
| on the "wrong" side could be good, perhaps, in some cases?
|
| Historically I've done some heavy spreadsheet work where the
| resting position of my hands which minimizes movement is
| right hand on the mouse, left hand on the 10 keys. On a
| normal keyboard that has the disadvantage of causing a
| "closed" posture which isn't entirely comfortable.
|
| Outside of that kind of niche use case though, it definitely
| feels like a strange choice for developers.
| StrLght wrote:
| A laptop without a screen for the price of a regular laptop?
|
| I get that economies of scale don't apply to something so niche,
| but that's just a bad deal. I'd rather get Framework Desktop.
| notnmeyer wrote:
| a framework desktop and omarchy is conceptually 98% of what the
| c100 purports to be.
| pkd wrote:
| No need for a boatload of shell scripts that's omarchy. Just
| install any distro and get going.
| notnmeyer wrote:
| different strokes dude
| pkd wrote:
| Fair. Just wanted to provide my stroke and warn people
| about a low quality, overhyped project. Doesn't mean it
| shouldn't exist or people can't use it.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| I've been very pleased with omarchy. Most linux distros
| were "just shell scripts" for 30+ years. Many still are.
| boesboes wrote:
| yeah, I don't get the haye, just a few years ago people
| were fighting systemd for taking away their shell
| scripts.
| NaomiLehman wrote:
| pretty sure everyone on hackernews knows this
| zeendo wrote:
| Agreed. The weird shilling of this nonsense is exhausting.
| notnmeyer wrote:
| i've been following this for a while and still find it completely
| wild that you can preorder but there's effectively no details.
|
| theres a couple completely unimpressive videos (like 15s long)
| from employees on linkedin where they show off... tiling window
| management.
| data-ottawa wrote:
| Beautiful webpage but I would like to know more about both the
| machine and the OS.
| danpalmer wrote:
| Who is this for?
|
| Because it's not for the developers I know - they either want a
| Macbook or an infinitely configurable (hardware and software)
| workstation, whereas this has the configurability of a Macbook
| with the ease of use of the workstation, clearly not a
| combination people want.
|
| I can only assume this is for mechanical keyboard collectors.
| Developer-adjacent tech enthusiasts who like the idea of Linux,
| without an actual professional need for it. People who like well
| built devices, but don't really care about swapping out hardware.
| People who have a lot of disposable income and want to buy cool
| things.
|
| If that's the target market, that's fine. I guess the problem is
| that market only buys it if you claim its for a different market,
| developers/etc. As a result it's going to rile up developers
| every time as they always feel the need to push back with "this
| isn't what I want".
| _dan wrote:
| The uniform stagger is likely to make most keyboard nerds turn
| their noses up too.
| viraptor wrote:
| > Who is this for?
|
| Probably people who see this and experience extreme confused
| nostalgia for the unholy merge of IBM and Commodore esthetic.
| It makes no practical sense, it's overpriced, it's a terrible
| use of space and I still crave it.
| noobermin wrote:
| If they were going for the commodore aesthetic, 1) may be
| don't call it workbench OS to confuse people and 2) the
| numpad (if it was called that then) is on the wrong side. It
| was on the right on the C64 and the amiga alike like it was.
|
| Would this benefit left handed users? I know people call for
| reversing mouse buttons and mouse hands but I've never seen
| an ask for flipping the position of the numpad.
| viraptor wrote:
| They don't have to replicate everything exactly as it was
| in the original machines to give the right vibe. It's
| similar, not a retrocomputing reproduction. Also Amiga was
| made by Commodore - it's in the same family. I don't expect
| anyone to be confused by the workbench naming though - it's
| a weird name, but why would anyone stick the actual
| workbench os on a multi-GB machine?
| voidUpdate wrote:
| As a leftie, I've never really used a keyboard and mouse
| "left handed". It's too much hassle to have to keep
| swapping things around when you live in a household of
| righties, so I just learned to use stuff the "normal" way
| around. In situations where there is an obvious physical
| disadvantage to using right handed items (eg scissors),
| I'll do my best to find a leftie equivalent, but it sounds
| like more hassle than it's worth to do the same with a
| mouse and keyboard. I can't draw for the life of me with a
| mouse, but that doesn't come up much. I don't really see
| the point of a left side numpad, though TBH I rarely use
| one anyways
| cgriswald wrote:
| As a lefty who is proficient with the numpad, I'd adapt
| quickly to it being on the left, but I wouldn't
| ultimately be any faster with it, regardless of whether
| key order was reversed or kept the same.
|
| I also don't think I've ever seen a lefty who prefers (or
| at least regularly uses) a left mouse. I adjusted to
| right for the same reason as you, but I also think being
| able to type one handed with my left while mousing with
| my right is superior to its opposite for me.
| voidUpdate wrote:
| I would generally type with both hands at the same time,
| but it is useful to be able to mouse with my right hand
| and do the common shortcuts (ctrl+z,x,c,v) with my left.
| I don't know how that would work if I was mousing with my
| left hand. I'd have to control with my index finger and
| do the shortcut with my little finger? sounds awful lol
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| I got an Apple IIc vibe off it at first, but then I saw it as
| more like a Commodore 64C, and now I cannot unsee that.
| haskman wrote:
| > Because it's not for the developers I know - they either want
| a Macbook or an infinitely configurable (hardware and software)
| workstation
|
| I know lots of developers (me included) who want something
| solid and stable and Linux, i.e. definitely not a macbook
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| I don't know either. I'm a developer, a very old grumpy beardy
| one at that. My "expert development workstation" since I began
| hacking on Linux almost 30 years ago has been "whatever's the
| fastest thing in the e-waste skip, crammed full of as much
| memory as I can pilfer from the rest of the scrap", and then
| with a brand new disk at the best price-per-gigabyte ratio I
| can get this afternoon from the totally-not-drug-money-
| laundering discount PC parts shop in town.
|
| I don't think I've ever spent "real money" on a PC for my own
| use, and I doubt I ever will.
|
| I suspect my experience mirrors that of about 50% of the folk
| on HN.
| NoGravitas wrote:
| Probably more like 20%, but it's the cool 20%.
| sigwinch wrote:
| I'm like this, except after reseating DRAM enough times I now
| indulge in ECC.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| Tin of Servisol and a bit of printer paper wrapped around a
| bank card.
| OzzyB wrote:
| Put in a couple of MIDI ports and I'll pretend it's a modern day
| Atari ST and run some Cubase...
| jovial_cavalier wrote:
| There are huge black rectangles where screenshots should go. I'm
| assuming that's not supposed to be there...
| wmf wrote:
| The screenshots are there. I think your browser is not loading
| them.
| jovial_cavalier wrote:
| It was because autoplay was disabled
| brandonmenc wrote:
| If Teenage Engineering made a computer.
|
| Expensive, not ergonomic, probably totally useless.
| slmjkdbtl wrote:
| I wouldn't say TE's products are not ergonomic and totally
| useless
| 0123456789ABCDE wrote:
| they are expensive over-engineered toys for millennials with
| a bad case of arrested development and enough disposable
| income to afford it
|
| _op-1 owner_
| slmjkdbtl wrote:
| op-1 is the most notorious one, but they do have some well
| designed not over-priced products
| jwr wrote:
| It's funny how price triggers people. Let them price their
| products however they will :-)
|
| As a counterpoint, EP-133 (KO-II) is a very interestingly
| designed product that is ergonomic, quite useful, and gets a
| specific job done very, very well. The price also has fewer
| digits, so perhaps it doesn't trigger people as much as other
| products do.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| > If Teenage Engineering made a computer.
|
| Nailed it.
| TheRoque wrote:
| Might be worth to buy just for the parts
| wmf wrote:
| It's $1,000 worth of parts. (Although 96 GB of RAM could be
| worth $10,000 soon enough.)
| emantos wrote:
| So, basically, a headless laptop with a custom linux distro. 2K
| at that.
|
| Alrighty then.
| kaladin-jasnah wrote:
| A few things about this stand out:
|
| - Calligra with two 'l's is the name of a KDE office suite.
|
| - Why does the keyboard have macOS keys? At least as a Linux
| user, I've felt like most Linux desktops reflect the Windows
| keyboard layout more.
|
| - Can I have pictures of the internals of the machine, or is this
| a 3D rendering?
|
| - The Workbench OS makes a lot of claims that I want more
| information about. Is this a rice on a common WM or something
| they made themselves? Why is it "suitable for sovereign and
| secure deployments"? Won't having homebrew and DNF lead to
| conflicts (this is more of a general question, since I genuinely
| don't know)?
|
| Nonetheless, I have to say that it does look cool from a design
| perspective, and with the pace of DRAM prices, maybe the actual
| system price won't actually be that crazy in a few months.
| sho_hn wrote:
| To be honest, every time I see something this paper-thin yet
| slick and polished, I just assume it's mostly AI slop. The
| barrier to launching vaporware has never been lower.
|
| Content over presentation is a signal for quality more than
| ever.
| worthless-trash wrote:
| IIRC there was a live stream where the creator went over the
| prototype.
| noobermin wrote:
| So this probably should be the top comment, but I'll reply to
| add to my nitpicks. Calling it workbench OS does confuse a bit
| from the amiga workbench, although I doubt these people are
| aware of that.
| xp84 wrote:
| "Confuse a bit"
|
| I highly doubt anyone is "dailying" an Amiga today for any
| actual work (other than retro fun), so I suspect there won't
| be even a single person who expects this to be compatible
| with Amiga.
|
| Likewise anyone looking for like a FPGA new Amiga hardware
| knows anything that says it's got a Ryzen is not the droid
| they're looking for.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| > Why is it "suitable for sovereign and secure deployments"?
|
| It doesn't have device "drivers", it has device _travellers_.
|
| When you go to shut it down it pops up an annoying dialogue box
| saying that its "First Amendment Rights Are Being Violated"
| that won't go away, even though it's made in Shoreditch which
| is nowhere near the US and therefore the US constitution is
| about as relevant as Kenya's.
| rvz wrote:
| This product is a massive downgrade and the price is devoid from
| the functionality that you can get from a typical laptop.
|
| A Macbook Pro M5 running Asahi Linux would still be more cheaper
| than this trash scam.
|
| No thanks and no deal.
| shinryuu wrote:
| Except asahi doesn't run on m5
| chenzhekl wrote:
| I don't quite get who the product targets. The only advantage I
| can think of is its retro design and its unique OS. But honestly,
| they are not attractive enough for me to pay 2k USD. I could
| build a more powerful server with the same money.
| constantcrying wrote:
| The hardware is totally ridiculous for the price. You are paying
| _a lot_ of money so that the CPU can be close to your fingers,
| instead of in a much better cooled box half a meter away.
|
| The OS is totally mysterious. What exactly is it? Just Fedora
| with a custom rice of some wm?
|
| By the way "Entertainment, Advertising, Shopping, Attack Surface,
| Distraction" is something you do not have in most distros anyway.
| So hardly a selling point.
|
| Who is this for? Companies with too much money? Individuals with
| some aesthetic sensibilities for putting your hardware right
| below your keyboard?
| kragen wrote:
| Not much of a terminal without a monitor, is it? Or is its output
| entirely audio?
|
| I'm curious what the physical size of the machine is. Is it GPD
| MicroPC-sized or are we talking about a normal laptop? 100g or
| 10kg?
|
| When I worked in a call center I learned to use the Data General
| terminal's keypad to type in people's credit card numbers as fast
| as people could say them. I would not want to use this keypad
| because I wouldn't be able to use my right hand on it, and that's
| the hand that knows the keypad. Then again, I don't do that much
| numeric data entry these days.
|
| What's the [?] "interesting feature" key for?
| NaomiLehman wrote:
| [?] is Mac's Command key. No idea what it's doing there.
| kragen wrote:
| Right, Susan Kare found it in her international symbol
| dictionary: https://www.folklore.org/Swedish_Campground.html?
| sort=date?s...
|
| But what I mean is, what X-Windows keysym and modifier does
| it map to?
| bitwize wrote:
| Ooooh, someone is asking for it from Amiga fans. Marketing an AIO
| keyboard PC with a deep back and calling the OS "Workbench"?
|
| Courteous of them to put the numpad on the left where it BELONGS
| (apologies to late-80s Northgate Systems). And it's funny because
| I was just watching a vid about the Asus Eee Keyboard PC
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee#Eee_Keyboard) that this
| looks like a modern version of.
|
| Much better specs than that old thing though, but given that it
| has a "vibe-designed" look about it, I think I'll pass on
| preordering.
| gapan wrote:
| "We've removed the distractions..." So, no browser is included
| then? That won't be very useful.
|
| And also "Commercial-grade media support". Those two things are
| at odds, aren't they?
|
| And why is it a "terminal" and not a "computer"? Is it because
| "terminal" is a geeky word?
|
| And no pictures, other than the very obvious render? How thick is
| it? What kind of connectivity/ports does it have? Is it
| completely flat, or wedge shaped? Can the keyboard be detached
| somehow? What's the deal with those weird keys? What does it look
| on the inside? What's the software that it's actually using? What
| WM is that? Can I install it on my laptop? Where is the source
| code? So many questions.
|
| It looks a lot like vapourware to me. And at that price point,
| I'm not sure who is going to buy that.
| berkes wrote:
| I think a very common misconception makes this a terrible idea.
|
| We, developers, are also "common computer users". Just like a
| sound engineer, a graphic designer, a movie editor, or any
| specialist, really, has fancy hard- and software, but remains
| also a "general user".
|
| I have to do my taxes. Write a CV, or a speech. I have to make
| a presentation. I want to watch netflix. Listen to spotify.
| Must use trello, read my email, or use that abysmal internal
| time tracker. Play a game. Order new sneakers. Find a
| restaurant. And no, I don't do all that in emacs, terminal,
| bash scripts and lynx. Like every "general computer user" I use
| my computer for those things as well.
|
| Despite what Hollywood makes it look like, developers, hackers,
| sw architects, sw engineers etc do use the stuff that everyone
| uses as well. Commonly and often.
| actionfromafar wrote:
| But sometimes it's helpful to have two computers, one for
| "deep work" and one for all of that stuff.
| berkes wrote:
| Maybe.
|
| It's not common amongst any of the developers I see in my
| bubble. Could be my bubble. And it doesn't mean this
| practice of having one machine for all uses, is actually
| "good".
|
| Though personally, i'd dislike the idea of having to
| maintain, update, etc multiple machines. And to sync
| data/logins/documents/tools between the two.
|
| I like grepping through my "Administration/invoices". I
| prefer putting "Documents/contracts/" under git, eventhough
| all are pdfs and word. I need my todo-list to be a mix of
| work related and personal tasks.
|
| Also, I listen spotify when I work. I check or answer work
| and personal mail when waiting for a meeting to start. I
| use my notes for work and private. Same for password
| manager, calendar.
|
| In my case, the line is too blurred to be able to switch
| between machines. Theyll very much overlap, making having
| two a burden rather than a benefit.
|
| But that's me.
| marssaxman wrote:
| It might not be a good idea if you have any concern that
| the company you work for may ever be involved in
| litigation. This was part of the training when I joined
| Microsoft, many years ago, as a result of the big
| antitrust trial: anything at all that you do on your work
| computer or the company network might someday be subject
| to discovery. I have since maintained a strict separation
| between work accounts, data, and activities, which exist
| only on company-owned hardware, and my own personal data,
| which only lives on my own personal hardware.
|
| Some companies are strict about firewalling corporate
| data in, but I think it's also important for us to
| protect ourselves by keeping our personal data out.
| xp84 wrote:
| This is extremely good advice. It's frequently at odds
| with convenience, since things like iPhone screen
| mirroring, iPad as a 2nd display, etc. practically beg
| for you to sign into your work laptop with your personal
| Apple ID. All I can say is resist the urge to do such
| things.
|
| I do keep a browser profile on the work machine signed
| into personal accounts, and do everything personal only
| in that browser, but even that is probably a mistake.
| Screen-sharing to home would be a much better compromise,
| unfortunately my gigabit internet comes with like 50Mbps
| upload so screen sharing sucks.
| OhMeadhbh wrote:
| I live in a world with lots of custom x11 apps. Unfortunately,
| browsers couldn't historically consume enough data fast enough
| (though that's probably changed I. He last several years.)
|
| Not everything in the world is a browser.
|
| I'm guessing they're targeting people who currently use
| something like a Bloomberg terminal and used the word
| "terminal" because that community already used it.
|
| I'm vaguely interested in looking at new window managers. I3 is
| nice but isn't perfect. I'm happy to look at new ways of doing
| things. It seems a bit retro to tie a specific WM or a specific
| Distro to a specific bit of hardware. Sort of like a MBP with
| macOS.
| xp84 wrote:
| >At that price point
|
| Idk, 96GB of Ram and 1TB of storage on a Mac Studio is $3999.
| At least this one comes with a keyboard.
| october8140 wrote:
| Computer for Experts(tm)
| october8140 wrote:
| This looks like the next Trump Phone.
| jackjeff wrote:
| Is there any videos of this thing or maybe just the OS?
| boesboes wrote:
| Too expensive. I want something like this, minimalist hardware
| and a opinionated linux distro with minimal fluff. No screen
| persee, bit of a cyberdeck vibe maybe. This just seems overkill
| for running a terminal though
| jwr wrote:
| I love the fact that somebody tries to do something with
| computers and computing!
|
| Rather than being the usual bunch of grumpy armchair critics
| (raah raah, too expensive, raah raah, suboptimal GPU), we should
| be happy that there are still people who are willing to ignore
| the Statlers & Waldorfs of HN and try to compete with the current
| status quo.
| card_zero wrote:
| Do you feel grumpy about these grumpy critics, or critical of
| them?
| Uptrenda wrote:
| ive seen this advertised for months now. still have no idea what
| the hell it is.
| jensgk wrote:
| It's an odd keyboard layout for a Linux computer. They should
| have gone with what I consider the true Unix layout - the Sun
| Microsystems Type 7 Unix keyboard: https://imgur.com/PftSNnk
| berkes wrote:
| While I do applaud the idea of "re-thinking the computer for
| deverlopers", this looks little more than "thinking", to me.
|
| A back of a beermat business idea, pulled through an expensive
| marketing machine.
|
| My rule of thumb: if something has a concrete price, but the
| something itself isn't made yet, it's either way too expensive or
| a ploy or both.
|
| Maybe its a "find if there's need for it" phase. But if you
| cannot make that "it" concrete, I -and I suspect many more of the
| target audience- cannot answer this question.
|
| So yes: kudos for bringing up the "developers need other hard and
| software than general audience" idea. But I would strongly advice
| to first make it concrete and deliver pieces and parts. Release
| the DE and OS so we can experience if this solves "problems" that
| devs have. Finetune that. Again. And again. Then pair it with
| hardware. Personally, I'd go for hardware thats already popular
| with devs.
|
| For me, thatd be: Ship me a high end Lenovo, with Ubuntu1 pre-
| installed and loaded with software like neovim, zsh, git,
| ripgrep, chrome, firefox, zed, slack (we all require it, don't
| we?) vscode. Maybe some icing like starship, a nice theme. It
| could be opinionated or extremely configurable (and remain stable
| at that over years).
|
| Or, on second thought: I have all that. So what problem does this
| solve?
| sylware wrote:
| Until this 'linux based' OS is ultra minimal, including the SDK
| (exclude de facto ultra-complex syntax languages).
| Pop_- wrote:
| I just scanned through their ToS, "pre-installed with the
| proprietary Linux OS". Looks not good to me lol.
| oh-my-god wrote:
| Vaporware
| gt0 wrote:
| I've been following this for a while, great looking hardware, but
| the target market knows how to buy a computer, they don't need
| custom boxes.
|
| For me this is a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
| I like the look, but it wouldn't even really suit my desk, I like
| to have my keyboard push quite far forward, and the back of this
| C100 would prevent that.
|
| Really nice, might even buy one, but there is no way this
| succeeds long term.
| voidUpdate wrote:
| 96GB is a hell of a lot of ram for a terminal... Am I using my
| terminal wrong?
| thw_9a83c wrote:
| There are few more photos of this HW here [1] and [2]. Apparently
| a real HW already exists. Also, it seems there is a storage space
| inside the box [3] and that the keyboard is foldable..
|
| [1]: https://www.pentagram.com/news/caligra-computers-for-experts
|
| [2]: https://www.instagram.com/p/DPEvytujE4k/
|
| [3]: https://www.instagram.com/p/DPEvytujE4k/?img_index=8
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| Wait - _Pentagram_ designed a computer?
|
| Definitely not a company with deep experience of developer
| culture.
|
| I expect this will look slick and have a few nice features, but
| there's going to be a lot of "How do I...?" "No."
| AJ007 wrote:
| Seeing the height and angle, I would question how comfortable
| that keyboard is.
|
| The whole project looks like a special edition collectors item,
| not something anyone would use.
| bilekas wrote:
| > Computers for Experts(tm)
|
| I do find it funny they were able to trademark that kind of
| statement.
|
| Not really sure I am the target audience for this, actually I'm
| not really sure who is to be honest.
| feketegy wrote:
| This is from their privacy policy page:
|
| > 9.2. Trademarks: "c100", "Caligra" and all associated logos
| and trade dress are registered or unregistered trademarks of
| Caligra Ltd. You may not use any of Caligra Ltd's trademarks
| without express written permission.
|
| "Computer for Experts" may be trademarked, but it's unlikely
| newsclues wrote:
| Is the market engineers and scientists, rather than devs?
| K0balt wrote:
| Why do I feel like this is kinda like the hipster carrying his
| typewriter on the bus?
|
| It seems like stuff like this is more about presenting an
| "identity " instead of actually doing anything real. My immediate
| assumption from seeing someone with this would be that they are
| more about appearing to do a thing than actually doing it... so
| perhaps a good ux designer.
| OhMeadhbh wrote:
| Right. Apple spent DECADES working on developers to make MBPs
| the exemplar hipster dev accessory
| actinium226 wrote:
| There are some way cooler versions of this over on
| https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberDeck/
| Minor49er wrote:
| If by "cooler" you mean "way more difficult and awkward than
| just using a laptop" then you're right
| andsoitis wrote:
| Given target market, I'm very surprised at lack of detailed
| technical specifications.
|
| Secondly, I find it odd to see the numpad on the left side of the
| keyboard, rather than on the right. Maybe the ergonomics are
| fine, but it caught my eye as unexpected.
| A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote:
| Actually, that was the one thing that got my attention (
| throwback to very old days ). Still, muscle memory would be a
| pain now.
| bmn__ wrote:
| The first thing I see is the badly designed keyboard.
|
| The legends have insufficient contrast and quite a number of them
| are too small to read. The legends for 2, 3, home, end, page up,
| page down, return, control, num lock and the four arrows are
| wrong, or in the case of escape, do not fit the theme. Minus and
| underscore are indistinguishable from each other. The small
| letter g has the wrong font weight. The level 3 and 4 legends are
| incongruent with /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/eu. Despite level 3
| and 4 legends, there is no level 3 shift key. The return key is
| misshapen and the escape key has a grotesquely large size. The
| place of the insert key is usurped by the fn key.
|
| I would behoove the designer to pay attention to ISO 9995 and
| verify the result with users before sending it off to
| manufacturing, the company could have avoided a lot of trouble.
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