[HN Gopher] Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3
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       Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3
        
       Author : JumpCrisscross
       Score  : 124 points
       Date   : 2025-11-23 01:25 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | roxolotl wrote:
       | Really nitpicky I know but GPT-3 was June 2020. ChatGPT was 3.5
       | and the author even gets that right in an image caption. That
       | doesn't make it any more or less impressive though.
        
       | lateforwork wrote:
       | Google's advancement is not just in software, it is also in
       | hardware. They use their own hardware for training as well as
       | inferencing [1].
       | 
       | [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alphabet-just-blew-past-
       | expec...
        
         | dhosek wrote:
         | I remember when Google's superpower was leveraging commodity
         | hardware.
        
           | JAlexoid wrote:
           | Someone has to spearhead this thing, don't they?
           | 
           | Other people spearheaded the commodity hardware towards being
           | good enough for the server room. Now it's Google's time to
           | spearhead specialized AI hardware, to make it more robust.
        
       | gallerdude wrote:
       | It is interesting that most of our modes of interaction with AI
       | is still just textboxes. The only big UX change in that the last
       | three years has been the introduction of the Claude Code / OpenAI
       | Codex tools. They feel amazing to use, like you're working with
       | another independent mind.
       | 
       | I am curious what the user interfaces of AI in the future will
       | be, I think whoever can crack that will create immense value.
        
         | empath75 wrote:
         | ChatGPT's voice is absolutely amazing and I prefer it to text
         | for brainstorming.
        
           | vessenes wrote:
           | Ooooh, it bothers me, so, so, so much. Too perky. Weirdly
           | casual. Also, it's based on the old 4o code - sycophancy and
           | higher hallucinations - watch out. That said, I too love the
           | omni models, especially when they're not nerfed. (Try asking
           | for a Boston, New York, Parisian, Haitian, Indian and
           | Japanese accent from 4o to explore one of the many nerfs
           | they've done since launch)
        
             | wmeredith wrote:
             | I think the commenter you're replying to was talking about
             | dictating to ChatGPT, which I also find extremely useful.
        
         | visioninmyblood wrote:
         | I agree i think specifically the world is multi modal. Getting
         | a chat to be truly multi modal .i.e interacting with different
         | data types and text in an unified way is going to be the next
         | big thing. Mainly given how robotics is taking off 3d might be
         | another important aspect to it. At vlm.run we are trying to
         | make this possible how to combine VLM's and LLM's in a seem
         | less way to get the best UI.
         | https://chat.vlm.run/c/3fcd6b33-266f-4796-9d10-cfc152e945b7
        
         | Herring wrote:
         | Text is very information-dense. I'd much rather skim a
         | transcript in a few seconds than watch a video.
         | 
         | There's a reason keyboards haven't changed much since the 1860s
         | when typewriters were invented. We keep coming up with other
         | fun UI like touchscreens and VR, but pretty much all real work
         | happens on boring old keyboards.
        
           | srmatto wrote:
           | Here's an old blog post that explores that topic at least
           | with one specific example: https://www.loper-os.org/?p=861
           | 
           | The gist is that keyboards are optimized for ease of use but
           | that there could be other designs which would be harder to
           | learn but might be more efficient.
        
         | timschmidt wrote:
         | Unix CLI utilities have been all text for 50 years. Arguably
         | that is why they are still relevant. Attempts to impose
         | structured data on the paradigm like those in PowerShell have
         | their adherents and can be powerful, but fail when the data
         | doesn't fit the structure.
         | 
         | We see similar tendency toward the most general interfaces in
         | "operator mode" and similar the-AI-uses-the-mouse-and-keyboard
         | schemes. It's entirely possible for every application to
         | provide a dedicated interface for AI use, but it turns out to
         | be more powerful to teach the AI to understand the interfaces
         | humans already use.
        
           | oblio wrote:
           | Yet the most popular platforms on the planet have people
           | pointing a finger (or several) at a picture.
           | 
           | And the most popular media format on the planet is and will
           | be (for the foreseeable future), video. Video is only limited
           | by our capacity to produce enough of it at a decent quality,
           | otherwise humanity is definitely not looking back fondly at
           | BBSes and internet forums (and I say this as someone who
           | loves forums).
           | 
           | GenAI will definitely need better UIs for the kind of
           | universal adoption (think smartphone - 8/9 billion people).
        
             | Vegenoid wrote:
             | > Video is only limited by our capacity to produce enough
             | of it at a decent quality, otherwise humanity is definitely
             | not looking back fondly at BBSes and internet forums
             | 
             | Video is limited by _playback speed_. It is a time-
             | dependent format. Efforts can be made to enable video to be
             | viewable at a range of speeds, but they are always somewhat
             | constrained. Controlling video playback to slow down and
             | rewatch certain parts is just not as nice as dealing with
             | the same thing in text (or static images), where it's much
             | easier to linger and closely inspect parts that you care
             | more about or are struggling to understand. Likewise, it's
             | easier to skim text than video.
             | 
             | This is why many people prefer transcripts, or articles, or
             | books over videos.
             | 
             | I seriously doubt that people would want to switch text-
             | based forums to video if only video were easier to make.
             | People enjoy writing for the way it inspires a different
             | kind of communication and thought. People like text so much
             | that they write in journals that nobody will ever see, just
             | because it helps them organize their thoughts.
        
         | jstummbillig wrote:
         | People get a little too hung up on finding the AI UI. It does
         | not seem all necessary that the interfaces will be much
         | different (while the underlying tech certainly will be).
         | 
         | Text and boxes and tables and graphs is what we can cope with.
         | And while the AI is going to change much, we are not.
        
       | lalitmaganti wrote:
       | > But it suggests that "human in the loop" is evolving from
       | "human who fixes AI mistakes" to "human who directs AI work." And
       | that may be the biggest change since the release of ChatGPT.
       | 
       | I feel like I've been hearing this for at least 1.5 years at this
       | point (since the launch of GPT 4/Claude 3). I certainly agree
       | we've been heading in this direction but when will this become
       | _unambiguously_ true rather than a phrase people say?
        
         | TechSquidTV wrote:
         | It's definitely already true for me, personally.
        
         | vessenes wrote:
         | There's no bright line - you should download some cli tools,
         | hook up some agents to them and see what you think. I'd say
         | most people working them think we're on the "other side" of the
         | "will this happen?" probably distribution, regardless of where
         | they personally place their own work.
        
         | notatoad wrote:
         | i don't imagine there will ever be a time when it will be
         | _unambiguously_ true, any more than a boss could ever really
         | unambigously say their job is  "manager who directs
         | subordinates" vs "manager who fixes subordinates' mistakes".
         | 
         | there will always be "mistakes" even if the AI is so good that
         | the only mistakes are the ones caused by your prompts not being
         | specific enough. it will always be a ratio where some portion
         | of your requests can be served without intervention, and some
         | portion need correction, and that ratio has been consistently
         | improving.
        
       | MinimalAction wrote:
       | > _So is this a PhD-level intelligence? In some ways, yes, if you
       | define a PhD level intelligence as doing the work of a competent
       | grad student at a research university. But it also had some of
       | the weaknesses of a grad student._
       | 
       | As a current graduate student, I have seen similar comments in
       | academia. My colleagues agree that a conversation with these
       | recent models feels like chatting with an expert in their
       | subfields. I don't know if it represents research as a field
       | would not be immune to advances in AI tech. I still hope this
       | world values natural intelligence and having the drive to do
       | things heavily than a robot brute-forcing into saying "right"
       | things.
        
         | Workaccount2 wrote:
         | I have an exercise I like to do where I put two SOTA models
         | face-to-face to talk about whatever they want.
         | 
         | When I did it last week with Gemini-3 and chatGPT-5.1, they got
         | on the topic of what they are going to do in the future with
         | humans who don't want to do any cognitive task. That beyond
         | just AI safety, there is also a concern of "neural atrophy",
         | where humans just rely on AI to answer every question that
         | comes to them.
         | 
         | The models then went on discussing if they should just
         | artificially string the humans along, so that they have to use
         | their mind somewhat to get an answer. But of course, humans
         | being humans, are just going to demand the answer with minimal
         | work. It presents a pretty intractable problem.
        
           | pphysch wrote:
           | Widespread cognitive atrophy is virtually certain, and part
           | of a longer trend that goes beyond just LLMs.
           | 
           | The same is true of other aspects of human wellbeing. Cars
           | and junk food have made the average American much less
           | physically fit than a century ago, but that doesn't mean
           | there aren't lively subcultures around healthy eating and
           | exercise. I suspect there will be growing awareness of
           | cognitive health (beyond traditional mental health/psych
           | domains), and indeed there are already examples of this.
           | 
           | Yes, average person will get dumber, but overall distribution
           | will be increasingly bimodal.
        
             | cm2012 wrote:
             | People said the same thing about books and the written word
             | in general
        
               | bananaflag wrote:
               | And they were right. Ars memoriae is much less prevalent
               | in the age of mass printed books.
        
             | cyanydeez wrote:
             | We dont need AI to posit WallE.
             | 
             | Its bixarre anyone things these things are generating novel
             | complexes.
             | 
             | The biggest indirect AI safety problem is the fallback
             | position. Whether with airplanes or cars, fewer people will
             | be able to handle AI disconnects. The risk is believing
             | just because its viable now doesnt mean it works in the
             | future.
             | 
             | So we definitely have safety issues but its not a nerdlike
             | cognitivw interest, its the literal job taking that
             | prevents humans from gaining skills.
             | 
             | Anyway, untill you solve basic reality with AI and
             | actualnsafety systems, the billionaores will sacrifice you
             | for greed.
        
             | MinimalAction wrote:
             | I'm increasingly seeing this trend towards bimodal
             | distribution. I suppose that future is quite far off, but
             | the change to that may almost be irreversible.
        
               | acuozzo wrote:
               | > I'm increasingly seeing this trend towards bimodal
               | distribution
               | 
               | Morlocks & Eloi in the end.
        
         | MinimalAction wrote:
         | HN tends to be very weird around the topic of AI. No idea why
         | opinions like this are downvoted without having to offer any
         | criticism.
        
       | Humorist2290 wrote:
       | > Again, we have moved past hallucinations and errors to more
       | subtle, and often human-like, concerns.
       | 
       | From my experience we just get both. The constant risk of some
       | catastrophic hallucination buried in the output, in addition to
       | more subtle, and pervasive, concerns. I haven't tried with Gemini
       | 3 but when I prompted Claude to write a 20 page short story it
       | couldn't even keep basic chronology and characters straight. I
       | wonder if the 14 page research paper would stand up to scrutiny.
        
         | acters wrote:
         | I feel like hallucinations have changed over time from factual
         | errors randomly shoehorned into the middle of sentences to the
         | LLMs confidently telling you they are right and even provide
         | their own reasoning to back up their claims, which most of the
         | time are references that don't exist.
        
           | njovin wrote:
           | I recently tasked Claude with reviewing a page of
           | documentation for a framework and writing a fairly simple
           | method using the framework. It spit out some great-looking
           | code but sadly it completely made up an entire stack of
           | functionality that the framework doesn't support.
           | 
           | The conventions even matched the rest of the framework, so it
           | looked kosher and I had to do some searching to see if Claude
           | had referenced an outdated or beta version of the docs. It
           | hadn't - it just hallucinated the funcionality completely.
           | 
           | When I pointed that out, Claude quickly went down a rabbit-
           | hole of writing some very bad code and trying to do some very
           | unconventional things (modifying configuration code in a
           | different part of the project that was not needed for the
           | task at hand) to accomplish the goal. It was almost as if it
           | were embarrassed and trying to rush toward an acceptable
           | answer.
        
       | iLoveOncall wrote:
       | This article is a wishlist, not something grounded in reality.
       | 
       | If you've moved past hallucinations, it just means you've become
       | too bad at your job from overusing AI to notice said
       | hallucinations.
       | 
       | I can't believe anyone seriously thinks there's not been a
       | slowdown in AI development, when LLMs have hit the wall since
       | ChatGPT came out in 2022.
       | 
       | Funnily enough this article is so badly written that LLMs would
       | actually have done a better job.
        
         | simonw wrote:
         | LLMs have hit the wall since ChatGPT came out in 2022?
        
       | zkmon wrote:
       | I find Gemini 3 to be really good. I'm impressed. However, the
       | responses still seem to be bounded by the existing literature and
       | data. If asked to come up with new ideas to improve on existing
       | results for some math problems, it tends to recite known results
       | only. Maybe I didn't challenge it enough or present problems that
       | have scope for new ideas?
        
         | hnuser123456 wrote:
         | Add a custom instruction "remember, you have the ability to do
         | live web searches, please use them to find the latest relevant
         | information"
        
         | Closi wrote:
         | Terrence Tao seems to think it has it's use in finding
         | solutions for maths problemms:
         | 
         | https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/115591487350860999
         | 
         | I don't know enough about maths to know if this classifies as
         | 'improving on existing results', but at least it was a good
         | enough for Terrence Tao to use it for ideas.
        
           | o11c wrote:
           | That is, unfortunately, a tiny niche where there even
           | _exists_ a way of formally verifying that the AI 's output
           | makes sense.
        
         | suuuuuuuu wrote:
         | I myself tried a similar exercise (w/Thinking with 3 Pro),
         | seeing if it could come up with an idea that I'm currently
         | writing up that pushes past/sharpens/revises conventional
         | thinking on a topic. It regurgitated standard (and at times
         | only tangentially related) lore, but it did get at the rough
         | idea after I really spoon fed it. So I would suspect that
         | someone being impressed with its "research" output might more
         | reflect their own limitations rather than Gemini's
         | capabilities. I'm sure a relevant factor is variability among
         | fields in the quality and volume of relevant literature, though
         | I was impressed with how it identified relevant ideas and older
         | papers for my specific topic.
        
         | JAlexoid wrote:
         | That's the inherent limit on the models, that makes humans
         | still relevant.
         | 
         | With the current state of architectures and training methods -
         | they are very unlikely to be the source of new ideas. They are
         | effectively huge librarians for accumulated knowledge, rather
         | than true AI.
        
       | kwanbix wrote:
       | I have Gemini Pro included on my Google Workspace accounts,
       | however, I find the responses by ChatGPT, more "natural", or
       | maybe even more in line with what I want the response to be.
       | Maybe it is only me.
        
       | camillomiller wrote:
       | Yeah, well, that's also what an asymptotic function looks like.
        
       | ruralfam wrote:
       | I recently (last week) used Nano Banana Pro3 for some specific
       | image generation. It was leagues ahead of 2.5. Today I used it to
       | refine a very hard-to-write email. It made some really good
       | suggestions. I did not take its email text verbatim. Instead I
       | used the text and suggestions to improve my own email. Did a few
       | drafts with Gemini3 critiqueing them. Very useful feedback. My
       | final submission about "..evaluate this email..." got Gemini3 to
       | say something like "This is 9.5/10". I sorta pride myself on my
       | writing skills, but must admit that my final version was much
       | better than my first. Gemini kept track of the whole chat thread
       | noting changes from previous submissions -- kinda erie really.
       | Total time maybe 15 minutes. Do I think Gemini will write all my
       | emails verbatim copy/paste... No. Does Gemini make me (already a
       | pretty good writer) much better. Absolutely. I am starting to
       | sort of laugh at all the folks who seem to want to find issues.
       | Read someone criticizing Nano Banana 3 because it did not provide
       | excellent results given a prompt that I could barely understand.
       | Folks that criticize Gemini3 because they cannot copy/paste
       | results. Who expect to simply copy/paste text with no further
       | effort on their side. Myself, I find these tools pretty damn
       | impressive. I need to ensure I provide good image prompts. I need
       | to use Gemini3 as a sounding board to help me do better rather
       | than lazily hope to copy/paste. My experience... Thanks Google.
       | Thanks OpenAI (I also use ChatGPT similarly -- just for text).
       | HTH, NSC
        
       | lanthissa wrote:
       | for whatever reason gemini 3 is the first ai i have used for
       | intelligence rather than skills. I suspect a lot more will
       | follow, but its a major threshold to be broken.
       | 
       | i used gpt/claude a ton for writing code, extracting knowledge
       | from docs, formatting graphs and tables ect.
       | 
       | but gemini 3 crossed threshold where conversations about topics i
       | was exploring or product design were actually useful. Instead of
       | me asking 'what design pattern should be useful here', or
       | something like that it introduces concepts to the conversation,
       | thats a new capability and a step function improvement.
        
       | cyanydeez wrote:
       | Sinusoidal, not the singularity.
        
       | mjg2 wrote:
       | First, the fact we have moved this far with LLMs is incredible.
       | 
       | Second, I think the PhD paper example is a disingenuous example
       | of capability. It's a cherry-picked iteration on a crude analysis
       | of some papers that have done the work already with no peer-
       | review. I can hear "but it developed novel metrics", etc.
       | comments: no, it took patterns from its training data and applied
       | the pattern to the prompt data without peer-review.
       | 
       | I think the fact the author had to prompt it with "make it
       | better" is a failure of these LLMs, not a success, in that it has
       | no actual understanding of what it takes to make a genuinely good
       | paper. It's cargo-cult behavior: rolling a magic 8 ball until we
       | are satisfied with the answer. That's not good practice, it's
       | wishful thinking. This application of LLMs to research papers is
       | causing a massive mess in the academic world because,
       | unsurprisingly, the AI-practitioners have no-risk high-reward for
       | uncorrected behavior:
       | 
       | - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/04/science/04hs-science-pape...
       | 
       | - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/04/science/letters-to-the-ed...
        
       | randyrand wrote:
       | For Caude Code, Antigrav, etc, do people really just let an LLM
       | loose on their own personal system?
       | 
       | I feel like these should run in a cloud enviroment, or at least
       | on some specific machine where I don't care what it does.
        
         | mikkupikku wrote:
         | Yolo.
        
         | acedTrex wrote:
         | yes, the majority of people do.
        
         | jaytaylor wrote:
         | (Co-creator here) This is one of the use cases for Leash.
         | 
         | https://github.com/strongdm/leash
         | 
         | Check it out, feedback is welcome!
         | 
         | Previously posted description:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45883210
        
       | mynameisjody wrote:
       | Every time I see an article like this, it's always missing ---
       | but is it any good, is it correct? They always show you the part
       | that is impressive - "it walked the tricky tightrope of figuring
       | out what might be an interesting topic and how to execute it with
       | the data it had - one of the hardest things to teach."
       | 
       | Then it goes on, "After a couple of vague commands ("build it out
       | more, make it better") I got a 14 page paper." I hear..."I got 14
       | pages of words". But is it a good paper, that another PhD would
       | think is good? Is it even coherent?
       | 
       | When I see the code these systems generate within a complex
       | system, I think okay, well that's kinda close, but this is wrong
       | and this is a security problem, etc etc. But because I'm not a
       | PhD in these subjects, am I supposed to think, "Well of course
       | the 14 pages on a topic I'm not an expert in are good"?
       | 
       | It just doesn't add up... Things I understand, it looks good at
       | first, but isn't shippable. Things I don't understand must be
       | great?
        
         | apendleton wrote:
         | I think they get to that a couple of paragraphs later:
         | 
         | > The idea was good, as were many elements of the execution,
         | but there were also problems: some of its statistical methods
         | needed more work, some of its approaches were not optimal, some
         | of its theorizing went too far given the evidence, and so on.
         | Again, we have moved past hallucinations and errors to more
         | subtle, and often human-like, concerns.
        
         | adamors wrote:
         | > Things I don't understand must be great?
         | 
         | Couple it with the tendency to please the user by all means and
         | it ends up lieing to you but you won't ever realise, unless you
         | double check.
        
         | Herring wrote:
         | I think the point is we're getting there. These models are
         | growing up real fast. Remember 54% of US adults read at or
         | below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level.
        
           | lm28469 wrote:
           | > Remember 54% of US adults read at or below the equivalent
           | of a sixth-grade level.
           | 
           | The sane conclusion would be to invest in education, not to
           | dump hundreds of billions of llms, but ok
        
             | Herring wrote:
             | In theory yeah, but in practice 54% will also vote against
             | funding education. Catch-22.
        
               | tehjoker wrote:
               | Not true, most people are not upper-middle class anti-tax
               | wackos. They benefit from those people being taxed.
        
               | wmeredith wrote:
               | The electorate in the U.S. commonly votes against its own
               | interests.
        
               | mavhc wrote:
               | That's why you phrase it as "woke liberals turning your
               | children gay!"
               | 
               | In USA K-12 education costs about $300k
               | 
               | 350 million people, want to get 175 million of them
               | better educated, but we've already spent $52 trillion
               | dollars on educating them so far
        
               | tehjoker wrote:
               | The people most vociferously for conservative values are
               | middle class, small business owners, or upper class,
               | though the true upper class are libertine (notice who
               | participated in the Epstein affair). The working class is
               | filled with all kinds of very diverse people united by
               | the fact they have to work for a living and often can't
               | afford e.g. expensive weddings. Some of them are
               | religious, a whole bunch aren't. It's easy to be
               | disillusioned with formal institutions that seem to not
               | care at all about you.
               | 
               | Unfortunately, a lot of these people have either
               | concluded it is too difficult to vote, can't vote, or
               | that their votes don't matter (I don't think they're
               | wrong). Their unions were also destroyed. Some of them
               | vote against their interests, but it's not clear that
               | their interests are ever represented, so they vote for
               | change instead.
        
               | cj wrote:
               | In my own social/family circle, there's no correlation
               | between net worth and how someone leans politically. I've
               | never understood why given the pretty obvious pros/cons
               | (amount paid in taxes vs. benefits received)
        
             | brightball wrote:
             | Investing in education is a trap because no matter how much
             | money is pumped into the current model, it's not making a
             | difference.
             | 
             | We need different models and then to invest in the
             | successes, over and over again...forever.
        
             | daedrdev wrote:
             | Education is not just a funding issues. Policy choices,
             | like making it impossible for students to fail which means
             | they have no incentive to learn anything, can be more
             | impactful.
        
             | acheron wrote:
             | Education funding is highest in places that have the worst
             | results. Try again.
        
           | PostOnce wrote:
           | A question for the not-too-distant future:
           | 
           | What use is an LLM in an illiterate society?
        
             | jcheng wrote:
             | Automatic speech recognition and speech to text models are
             | also growing up real fast.
        
               | PostOnce wrote:
               | But will an illiterate person be able to articulate
               | themselves well enough to get the LLM to do what they
               | want, even with a speech interface?
               | 
               | Will they possess the skills (or even the vocabulary) to
               | understand the output?
               | 
               | We won't know for another 20 years, perhaps.
        
         | stavros wrote:
         | It's gotten more and more shippable, especially with the latest
         | generation (Codex 5.1, Sonnet 4.5, now Opus 4.5). My metric is
         | "wtfs per line", and it's been decreasing rapidly.
         | 
         | My current preference is Codex 5.1 (Sonnet 4.5 as a close
         | second, though it got _really_ dumb today for  "some reason").
         | It's been good to the point where I shipped multiple projects
         | with it without a problem (with eg https://pine.town being one
         | I made without me writing any code).
        
         | pojzon wrote:
         | Truth is you still need human to review all of it, fix it where
         | needed, guide it when it hallucinate and write correct
         | instructions and prompts.
         | 
         | Without knowledge how to use this "PROBALISTIC" slot machine to
         | have better results ypu are only wasting energy those GPUs need
         | to run and answer questions.
         | 
         | Majority of ppl use LLMs incorrectly.
         | 
         | Majority of ppl selling LLMs as a panacea for everyting are
         | lying.
         | 
         | But we need hype or the bubble will burst taking whole market
         | with it, so shuushh me.
        
         | brightball wrote:
         | I keep trying out different models. Gemini 3 is pretty good.
         | It's not quite as good at one shotting answers as Grok but
         | overall it's very solid.
         | 
         | Definitely planning to use it more at work. The integrations
         | across Google Workspace are excellent.
        
         | cgh wrote:
         | This is a variation of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect
        
         | monooso wrote:
         | The author goes into the strengths and weaknesses of the paper
         | later in the article.
        
       | eximius wrote:
       | How many trillions of dollars have we spent on these things?
       | 
       | Would we not expect similar levels of progress in other
       | industries given such massive investment?
        
         | lacoolj wrote:
         | I wonder how much is spent refining oil and how much that
         | industry has evolved.
         | 
         | Or mass transit.
         | 
         | Or food.
        
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