[HN Gopher] New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
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New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
Author : ericzawo
Score : 101 points
Date : 2025-11-18 19:16 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (techreport.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (techreport.com)
| dataking wrote:
| https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
|
| As far as I understand, people using this site to contact their
| elected officials were instrumental in making lawmakers back down
| from ChatControl v2.0. Hoping the same will be true this time
| around.
| ryandrake wrote:
| On the contrary, it doesn't seem to have had any effect at all.
| Nobody actually _defeated_ anything if it just gets re-proposed
| a few weeks later.
| pixl97 wrote:
| Ah, the US way, just keep trying to pass the bill again and
| again until people get tired and it eventually passes
| quietly.
| danaris wrote:
| Every time we stop it from becoming law, _that is a victory_.
|
| Viewing it as anything else is actively counterproductive.
|
| The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have
| better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to
| win more victories.
| jononor wrote:
| Winning a battle and living to fight another day is useful.
| Does not mean the fight is over, of course.
| getcrunk wrote:
| How would these types of proposals deal with foss non
| centralized/fully p2p messaging system? Just make them illegal?
|
| What if the foss app has the "scanning" but can be disabled with
| a compile time flag
|
| Is my email client going to have to implement this scanning if I
| use pgp?
| dmitrygr wrote:
| the worst (and the only) way possible: hold authors or
| distributors of the said software responsible: Order apple and
| google to remove apps, Order ISPs to block domains that host
| PWAs, Issue arrest warrants for authors of software that does
| not or cannot comply.
| layer8 wrote:
| The proposals apply to "providers" of "hosting services", of
| "interpersonal communications service", and of "software
| application stores" (you can look up the definitions for
| yourself in the published texts). It's hard to see how that
| would apply to purely P2P systems, except that distributing an
| app for it via app stores would likely require user age
| verification.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| Flathub, the snap store, gnome software, etc. all technically
| meet the definitino of software application store.
|
| Makes me wonder (and worry) if they can stretch the
| definition to apply to standard package repos as well. Are we
| going to be entering an era where you have to verify your
| identity & age to apt-get software?
| layer8 wrote:
| Or switch to P2P distribution.
|
| The real danger is if hardware becomes dongled by firmware
| that doesn't allow you to install anything you want
| anymore.
| thewebguyd wrote:
| I think that real danger is a very real possibility with
| legislation like this. Not in the way that you won't be
| able to buy "unlocked" devices, but that web services and
| government services just flat out won't be accessible to
| you if you aren't on a sanctioned device (with the
| sanctioned spyware).
|
| Think things like requiring play integrity attestation to
| access banking, or an equivalent service baked into
| macOS, Windows, iOS. If you aren't on one of those
| proprietary and spied on OSes, you can't access most of
| the web.
|
| So technically the hardware will remain relatively open,
| but they'll make it so you can't interact with the rest
| of society with it.
| layer8 wrote:
| That would still be the relatively benign outcome. You
| can have one device for all the official stuff, and
| another device for your own software, "free" OSs and the
| "free" internet. However, I could see a future where
| anything that accesses the internet is required to be an
| iPhone-like clamped down device.
| varispeed wrote:
| The EU has been taken over by terrorists and law enforcement does
| nothing. People behind Chat Controls should be arrested.
|
| These proposals are against German laws and other EU countries.
| It can be treated as terrorist attack attempt.
|
| It creates psychological and physical harm, indiscriminately for
| ideological gain. Textbook terrorism, except done by nice people
| in suits and there is no blood (yet).
| dang wrote:
| Recent and related:
|
| _The disguised return of EU Chat Control_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45929511 - Nov 2025 (340
| comments)
| kotaKat wrote:
| It's almost as if the EU keeps getting it wrong, time and time
| again with technology.
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