[HN Gopher] An official atlas of North Korea
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       An official atlas of North Korea
        
       Author : speckx
       Score  : 149 points
       Date   : 2025-11-17 18:07 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | monooso wrote:
       | > According to the prevailing narrative in North Korea, the war
       | was won by the communists and since then, _the entire Korean
       | peninsula has remained united under the rule of the Korean
       | Workers' Party._
       | 
       | (Emphasis mine)
       | 
       | TIL. Now I'm really curious how maintaining this fiction works
       | (or doesn't) in practice.
        
         | hk1337 wrote:
         | Clearly, we were thinking the same thing or along the same
         | lines.
        
         | yostrovs wrote:
         | The book 1984 demonstrates how logical inconsistencies can
         | exist and be believed in when you don't have much choice.
        
           | s0sa wrote:
           | And can in fact be a useful test of loyalty.
        
             | red-iron-pine wrote:
             | said loyalty tests become a purity spiral, e.g. who can
             | clap the loudest or cry the most for Dear Leader
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_spiral
        
           | cedilla wrote:
           | It's a book, not a demonstration.
           | 
           | In any case, North Koreans are not taught that South Korea is
           | just like any other part of North Korea. The idea that the
           | North Korean people and leadership are all buffoons who make
           | the weirdest of lies possible is already Orwellian enough.
        
             | FridayoLeary wrote:
             | Well they do don't they? I read a couple of books about
             | life in the soviet union. 1984 is satire, but it's not so
             | far off from what reality was.
        
         | ch_123 wrote:
         | I'm also curious given the rhetoric that the North Korean media
         | has about the "puppet" state in the south. I can understand
         | that the North Koreans want to claim sovereignty over the whole
         | peninsula, but the article makes it sound like North Korea
         | pretends that the ROK does not exist.
        
           | the_af wrote:
           | This is easy to resolve: North Korea doesn't believe it has
           | control over the South. The article is simply wrong, a
           | variant of the trope of "those crazy North Koreans believe
           | all sorts of things".
           | 
           | They believe there's only one Korea, artificially split in
           | two by their enemies, and that it should all be under the
           | control of the current NK government, but they don't believe
           | they control all of it now.
        
         | vkou wrote:
         | > TIL. Now I'm really curious how maintaining this fiction
         | works (or doesn't) in practice.
         | 
         | Very easily. There's an official account, which 'everyone'[1]
         | knows is bullshit, but if you try to assert any logical
         | consequences of it, you will immediately out yourself as a
         | malcontent, and will get into serious trouble. (Because despite
         | having all sorts of constitutional protections for your rights
         | _on paper_ , the executive has the power _in practice_ to do
         | anything it wants to you at any time, with no redress. Good
         | luck exercising articles 67 through 79 of that constitution. If
         | you 're lucky, you'll be softly told to sit down and shut up.
         | If you're unlucky, you'll be doing a few years in a camp.)
         | 
         | It's the time-tested playbook that every authoritarian regime
         | follows, and if you're interested in learning more about how it
         | works in practice, just turn on Fox News. It's got the first
         | half of the double-think process down, and is working hard on
         | getting us to the second half.
         | 
         | There is always a thin public justification for why rights
         | don't apply to the enemies of the state, which is enough to
         | convince ~half the country. (Because ~half of _any_ country
         | will happily accept whatever atrocities its leaders do. You can
         | observe that sort of thing on this very forum.)
         | 
         | ---
         | 
         | [1] Not actually everyone, some people really _are_ that
         | fucking stupid, but most know there 's something off[2] about
         | it.
         | 
         | [2] In this particular case, the official Atlas says they are
         | one country, but the country's Constitution (updated last year
         | on this very subject) says that the ROK is a foreign, hostile
         | state. Anyone who can read or has eyes to see and ears to hear
         | should easily be able to tell that the latter is the more
         | accurate one.
        
           | red-iron-pine wrote:
           | > _You can observe that sort of thing on this very forum._
           | 
           | remember that 1) this forum skews to a very specific sort of
           | person, and 2) that person notwithstanding, there is an
           | incredible, shocking large amount of bots active here, owing
           | to the fact that the people from 1) are also AI worshipping
           | futurists (and/or techno-fascists)
        
             | cassepipe wrote:
             | Hi !
             | 
             | I am not a AI worshiping futurist nor a (techno-)fascist
             | for that matter. I don't think bots are that active on such
             | a small platform but I guess by "bots" you mean people who
             | offer pushback on your opinions (they are a "shocking"
             | number indeed, it seems I can hardly convince more than one
             | person to rally my positions from time to time and I _still
             | have_ to pretend to be nuanced !)
             | 
             | I also believe that "platform is skewed against X"
             | (generally your own opinions) are utterly useless comments.
             | You are just pretending everyone is against you so you
             | don't have to take criticism addressed to you seriously.
             | 
             | Now you can enjoy the ego boost of feeling like the
             | virtuous online warrior against a world of techno-fascists
             | that are ganging up on you or you can reflect and try to
             | take into account the fact that people have different
             | viewpoints and are mostly doing their best. I eventually
             | chose the latter and I have to say I feel less grandiose
             | but much better overall. Join the club, we have cookies.
        
         | ceejayoz wrote:
         | I mean, see American politics for a similar example.
         | 
         | The Epstein files are simultaneously a "Democrat hoax" and full
         | of prominent Dems. The Attorney General both has them on her
         | desk, and they don't exist.
        
           | Volundr wrote:
           | And there's not enough in them to charge or investigate any
           | 3rd parties, until some are made public and now there's
           | enough to investigate Democrats.
        
             | Terr_ wrote:
             | And suddenly the unimportant records that don't exist but
             | were also a hoax but also implicate the-other-guy are about
             | to be made public... suddenly an "ongoing investigation" is
             | the new excuse.
             | 
             | > The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the
             | convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for
             | whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the
             | reality of experience) and the distinction between the true
             | and the false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer
             | exist.
             | 
             | -- The origins of Totalitarianism (1951), by Hannah Arendt
        
         | sunaookami wrote:
         | Is the second part actually true though? I can't find any
         | sources about this, in fact the opposite seems to be true.
         | North Korea recently changed their constitution and describe
         | South Korea as a "hostile state" which means they officially
         | recognize it as a "state" at least[1]. Before that they
         | explicitly had a goal for unification in the constitution which
         | implies (or can be implied) that there never was such a view
         | that "the entire Korean peninsula has remained united under the
         | rule of the Korean Workers' Party". There is also this
         | sentence:
         | 
         | >This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific Ocean,
         | which gives Korea a privileged position on the global stage
         | 
         | This is normal for asian maps, Japan does the same thing for
         | example.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-korea-
         | repor...
        
           | recursivecaveat wrote:
           | Yeah, I'm kindof skeptical. Another example I found was Kim
           | referencing the south in a TV speech. I think their official
           | position might be something closer to that the war was
           | victorious by virtue of holding off the Americans and/or
           | removing them from the area. Then the atlas doesn't show the
           | south as a separate country because it's more of a Taiwan
           | situation where they don't want to legitimize it as anything
           | more than a rebellious province? At least in the early 2000s
           | when this atlas was made. The language at the time definitely
           | seems to emphasize that the whole peninsula is just "the
           | nation": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_15th_North%E2%80%
           | 93South_...
        
           | quicklime wrote:
           | >> This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific
           | Ocean, which gives Korea a privileged position on the global
           | stage
           | 
           | > This is normal for asian maps, Japan does the same thing
           | for example.
           | 
           | This is common in Australia too.
        
             | bad_haircut72 wrote:
             | As a map of Australia sure but not a world map
        
               | lIl-IIIl wrote:
               | The second search result for "Australian world map" shows
               | a world map that is designed for Australian schools and
               | it centers on Pacific Ocean:
               | 
               | https://www.australianteachingaids.com.au/the-world-map
               | 
               | The first search result for "Australian world map" was
               | for one of those novelty south-side up maps.
        
             | onraglanroad wrote:
             | So you're saying North Korea, Japan and Australia are
             | engaged in a leftist plot to take a privileged position in
             | the world?
             | 
             | All we need is some TikTok, YouTube shorts and some
             | gullible right wingers, and I think we've got ourselves a
             | product!
        
       | hk1337 wrote:
       | > the war was won by the communists and since then, the entire
       | Korean peninsula has remained united under the rule of the Korean
       | Workers' Party.
       | 
       | This makes me wonder what the reasoning is, or even if they
       | officially do, for preventing North Korean citizens from
       | migrating south? If it's all united as one country then why would
       | someone be prevented from moving there?
        
         | alibarber wrote:
         | From what I understand about North Korea - simply moving within
         | (actual) NK itself is not really on the cards for a lot of
         | people, so they might as well claim sovereignty over the whole
         | peninsular.
        
           | hk1337 wrote:
           | Yeah, my initial thought was something along the lines of all
           | actions are subject to the approval of the party.
        
         | ceejayoz wrote:
         | I'd presume it's like the Soviets, where moving cities required
         | permission.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propiska_in_the_Soviet_Union
        
         | rzerowan wrote:
         | Id think this being the 'official' political position , it
         | would be referring to the end of hostilities when the armistice
         | was signed.Legally there was no ceasefire/capitulation etc and
         | i would suggest as far as the North are concerned barring
         | outside interference they would have prevailed. Hence the
         | stressing of the position that they are one entity
         | 'politically' - certainly not that 'physically' they are one
         | untit , also why they would hold/reunification talks from time
         | to time and family relatives exchanges between the two.
         | 
         | They are cognizant that there is a DMZ , and that theere exists
         | a polity on the south that keeps sending usb filled baloons ,
         | propaganda loudspeakes blaring on the Border. So mostly a
         | poltical position being staked out , which is also why the maps
         | only have Palestine and Western Sahara.Not because they are
         | unaware of the situation insitu but geopilitically they are
         | staking their claims.
        
           | hk1337 wrote:
           | That's true. Technically, they're still at war so it could be
           | something to the effect of, "don't go down there where the
           | war is".
        
           | nielsbot wrote:
           | I found this interesting too:
           | 
           | > In the one [map] for Jordan, it is also clarified that
           | Palestine is a territory under Israeli occupation.
        
             | FridayoLeary wrote:
             | Isn't it great that the west is slowly catching up to North
             | Korea.
        
         | some_random wrote:
         | It's more than that, it's probably a ideological thing from the
         | very top. Just like how the PRC insists that Taiwan is just
         | another weird territory like HK or Macau.
        
       | macintux wrote:
       | My small-town public library growing up had a great resource that
       | I did not appreciate at the time: an English translation of the
       | Great Soviet Encyclopedia[0].
       | 
       | I really wish I had spent time with it. If nothing else it would
       | have given me some questions to ask my history teachers.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Soviet_Encyclopedia
        
         | nocoiner wrote:
         | Wow! I would have been absolutely fascinated by this when I was
         | a kid.
         | 
         | I remember once wandering around my college library and finding
         | the book "The Soviet Economy Through the Year 2000." This
         | occurred during the current millennium.
        
           | man8alexd wrote:
           | My grandpa had the full 50-volume edition of the encyclopedia
           | published in the 1950s. I spent a lot of time digging through
           | it in my pre-teen years.
        
         | greenavocado wrote:
         | Anna has it in her archive
        
           | ForOldHack wrote:
           | Where is the Josun Encyclopedia? I would like to read it.
           | Thanks
        
       | MiiMe19 wrote:
       | I wish there was a CD rip of the encyclopedia available so I
       | could comb through the rest.
        
       | globular-toast wrote:
       | I'm wondering what the infrastructure shown in red on the maps
       | is. Railways? Roads? It's obviously very rough, whatever it is.
       | I'm looking at the UK and it looks like Ipswich and Great
       | Yarmouth (or Lowestoft) or on there, but not Norwich. It's
       | interesting to see what is considered significant or strategic
       | from their point of view.
        
       | retrac wrote:
       | Since no one else has noted it: they show rail lines and only
       | rail. No roads on those maps. This includes some quite obscure
       | ones like the railway between Labrador and Sept-Iles, Quebec. (It
       | has almost no traffic and it serves a small town and a mine and
       | it's not connected to the rest of the North American system.)
       | Similarly they depict sections of rail in Canada that were out of
       | service many years before this map was published. So they're
       | quite out of date. To not show that Canada is linked by rail with
       | the USA at Detroit is a definite oversight, too.
       | 
       | Seeing through the lens of railroads is probably an artifact of
       | both ideology and the economic reality in North Korea. And maybe
       | also the implicitly military purpose of these maps.
        
         | zippothrowaway wrote:
         | I thought that too, but the map for the UK is very weird -
         | there is no direct connection between what looks like
         | Birmingham and what looks like Manchester or anywhere in the
         | North West of England. So, no West Coast Main Line? Instead
         | they have the rail line veering off towards the peak district.
         | 
         | I don't know whether they're decades out of date or just plain
         | wrong - the West Coast Main Line was "opened between 1837 and
         | 1881" according to Wikipedia.
        
           | dgl wrote:
           | Also the UK seems to include the Grand Union canal and River
           | Severn but not the River Thames. It seems quite random.
        
         | mig39 wrote:
         | > No roads on those maps. This includes some quite obscure ones
         | like the railway between Labrador and Sept-Iles, Quebec.
         | 
         | I guess the maps are old, because they show the Newfoundland
         | Railway, which was removed in the 80s.
        
         | Digory wrote:
         | Yes,I noticed Kansas City is prominently featured on all the
         | maps, which makes sense for rail hubs.
         | 
         | But strange, then, that the north/south line (Kansas City
         | Southern / Canadian Pacific) is not there.
        
         | lastofthemojito wrote:
         | Hmm, if those red lines are meant to be rail lines than
         | someone's definitely made some errors. E.g. the Europe map
         | shows a red line in Iceland, perhaps between Reykjavik and
         | Akureyri. But there's no railway between Reykjavik and Akureyri
         | and in fact there's no rail in Iceland at all.
         | 
         | I just assumed the red lines were "major routes" of some sort,
         | maybe rail, maybe roads.
        
         | whartung wrote:
         | There's the San Bernardino Museum located at the train station
         | in SB. Its next to the ATSF yards, so its sort of a combined SB
         | and ATSF museum. On the wall there was a map of the US with all
         | sorts of lines on it.
         | 
         | Under closer scrutiny, all of the lines were railroads, and not
         | highways. In fact, (I don't think) there were no highways at
         | all. And it was all railroads, not just ATSF. I don't recall
         | the date on the map.
         | 
         | Just a fascinating "other view" of the world to look at the US
         | through that lens.
        
           | Symbiote wrote:
           | You can look at https://openrailwaymap.org/ for an up-to-date
           | rail-only map of the world.
           | 
           | Note it's infrastructure: lines may be freight-only, or only
           | used occasionally.
           | 
           | https://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/ is an equivalent for public
           | transport routes.
        
         | femto wrote:
         | For Australia, at least, the rail lines are shown in red and
         | major roads are shown in maroon. The lines for the roads are
         | mostly thinner than for the rail, but not consistently so. At
         | first glance, it's difficult to determine which lines are road
         | and rail, unless you already know which is which.
        
       | shevy-java wrote:
       | > According to the prevalent narrative in North Korea, the war
       | was won by the communists.
       | 
       | Well - it depends on how one wants to call the result of the war.
       | 
       | I think there was not necessarily a winner; there was a
       | stalemate/truce, with China guaranteeing North Korea to not lose,
       | but not necessarily win either. That does not mean North Korea
       | won, but I don't think one can necessarily say that they lost the
       | war either.
       | 
       | I am fully aware of how the propaganda in North Korea works, but
       | some articles are also heavily biased. The biggest danger to
       | North Korea actually comes from the success model in South Korea,
       | as well as the internet. The internet kind of nerfed Scientology
       | (see what Ron Miscavige said and described how Scientology
       | changed over the years, so if one of the big guys can quit, the
       | whole business model they established decades ago, is dead and
       | decaying). Sooner or later Kim Jong Fat will also lose out to the
       | internet. You can not permanently cut off million of people, with
       | the assumption they won't be able to understand how strategic
       | lies work. It also does not work in Russia either, though Russia
       | is of course nowhere near as isolated as North Korea right now.
        
         | ronsor wrote:
         | > Sooner or later Kim Jong Fat will also lose out to the
         | internet.
         | 
         | North Koreans do not have _any_ Internet, save for through
         | computers at a few government-controlled and strictly monitored
         | libraries, as well as through illegal imported Chinese
         | smartphones if they live near the border.
        
         | HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
         | None of what you are saying holds water. Scientology's old
         | business model became less effective, but the cult segued into
         | a real-estate empire and still has several mega-wealthy members
         | (so-called "whales") it can milk for donations.
         | 
         | And North Korea could see greater internet uptake but still
         | remain a stable dictatorship, precisely on the model of Russia
         | where, even if the population "sees through the lies", that
         | doesn't challenge the regime itself; people who dislike the
         | regime largely simply accept it as a fact of life, and might
         | even disapprove of those people who make the effort to
         | challenge it.
        
         | goranmoomin wrote:
         | > According to the prevalent narrative in North Korea, the war
         | was won by the communists.
         | 
         | According to the North Korean govt, the Korean war was started
         | by the South who wanted to invade North (it was not, based on
         | extensive studies). Therefore in their view (or at least from
         | their propaganda), the communists "won" by successfully
         | defending their part of the peninsula.
        
         | TulliusCicero wrote:
         | > I think there was not necessarily a winner; there was a
         | stalemate/truce
         | 
         | Well yeah, basically everyone agrees on that. Everyone who's
         | not insane anyway.
         | 
         | Like, North Korea invaded and made it really far, UN (mostly
         | US) forces pushed them way the hell back, then China helped NK
         | push _that_ offensive back, and they ended up settling real
         | close to the original dividing line. Pretty obvious draw as far
         | as wars go I think.
        
       | goranmoomin wrote:
       | (I'm a South Korean.)
       | 
       | > According to the prevailing narrative in North Korea, the war
       | was won by the communists and since then, the entire Korean
       | peninsula has remained united under the rule of the Korean
       | Workers' Party.
       | 
       | This is either not true at all or the writer phrased strangely --
       | both of the governments (South & North) recognize that the war is
       | still on-going and they have an enemy that is controlling the
       | other half of the peninsula that they do not control. However,
       | both of the governments also argue that they are the only legal
       | government that is ought to control the whole peninsula and does
       | not recognize each other's legitimacy. For example, ROK(Republic
       | of Korea, the government that controls the southern part of the
       | peninsula)'s constitution writes that it's government governs the
       | whole peninsula and it's islands. It's like how both PRC(People's
       | Republic of China, i.e. China) and ROC(Republic of China, i.e.
       | Taiwan) both argue that they are the only legal government over
       | all of China (i.e. Mainland China and Taiwan combined).
       | 
       | > Therefore, when looking at the maps in this atlas, it should
       | come as no surprise that Korea is always shown as one country,
       | with no reference to the other country that exists at the
       | southern tip of the peninsula.
       | 
       | It is universally agreed between the two governments (and their
       | citizens) that a unification should happen at some point, so it
       | is obvious that we should be using a map that covers the whole
       | peninsula. We (as South Koreans) also learn 'our country' as the
       | whole peninsula.
       | 
       | > This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific Ocean,
       | which gives Korea a privileged position on the global stage.
       | 
       | Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the Westerners
       | act like that they don't even think of the remote possibility
       | that they might not be the center of the world...?
       | 
       | South Korean maps do this, China maps do this, Japanese maps do
       | this, I'm pretty sure South East Asia countries also do this,
       | it's a normal thing to do. There's nothing special about having
       | the Pacific Ocean centered.
        
         | AndriyKunitsyn wrote:
         | Yes, that's complete nonsence.
         | 
         | My friend was on a guided tour to North Korea, and they aware
         | of a lot of things. For example, the population of the North
         | and the South was somehow accurately described to the tourists
         | as 25 and 50 million, and they don't question that fact.
        
         | drdec wrote:
         | >> This North Korean world map is centred on the Pacific Ocean,
         | which gives Korea a privileged position on the global stage.
         | 
         | > Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the
         | Westerners act like that they don't even think of the remote
         | possibility that they might not be the center of the world...?
         | 
         | Westerner who also thought this was a strange comment and that
         | the centering of the Korean peninsula was a totally natural
         | decision for this atlas
        
         | throw-the-towel wrote:
         | The North has officially rejected unification, and regards
         | South Korea as a separate, enemy country.
        
         | edm0nd wrote:
         | >It is universally agreed between the two governments (and
         | their citizens) that a unification should happen at some point
         | 
         | South Koreans don't seriously believe this would ever be
         | possible do they?
        
           | garciasn wrote:
           | All Koreans hope for it to happen, especially those who
           | aren't part of the very upper echelons of the DPRK. Just
           | because folks live in DPRK and are bombarded with bullshit
           | doesn't mean they aren't very well aware of what their
           | realities are like when compared to that of the South.
           | 
           | Sneakernet is (was?) alive and well in DPRK and most of the
           | population knows they're living nowhere near the levels that
           | those in the South are. They just are fucking terrified of
           | them and their families being killed by hard labor if they
           | say otherwise.
           | 
           | So; sure; it's /possible/, but until something big changes,
           | it won't happen. The only reason it's not actually happening
           | is because of the humanitarian crisis it would create. No one
           | wants to deal w/the fallout.
        
         | ForOldHack wrote:
         | ( I lived in South Korea, and I read Korean rather well, and
         | have traveled very extensively in South Korea. I have seen
         | North Korean across the borders from 4 sites. )
         | 
         | The prevailing narrative in North Korea is utter propaganda:
         | You cannot win a war that is still not over.
         | 
         | Korea should reunite as some point, when the North has a
         | moderate leader or falls like East Germany. Until then all the
         | wishful thinking of a deranged leader in the North, will amount
         | to cold, cold air. The North Koreans starved millions of their
         | own citizens. Millions, and continue to do so.
         | 
         | "Government Policies: The state's rigid public distribution
         | system failed, disproportionately affecting the urban
         | population and rural areas, while prioritizing food for the
         | military and political elite. The government was slow to seek
         | international aid and restricted the access of foreign relief
         | agencies, diverting much of the aid that did arrive. "
         | 
         | Westerners who are not traveled, do believe themselves to be
         | the center of the universe, its why they are almost universally
         | known as 'Ugly Americans.' Loads of those in South Korea.
         | 
         | An honest map of korea would be east west centered on the China
         | sea, looking over the plains, and with the mountains at the
         | top... ( I am getting emotional now at the thought of the
         | mountains... so incredibly beautiful, and... amazingly clean. )
         | My wish for Korean Unification is to see the Golden Mountain.
         | (Jin Gang Shan ), and for the long separated families to see
         | each other.
         | 
         | Rotate all these maps 90 degrees counter clockwise.
         | 
         | The best hope for unification for Korea... was laid out by Sec
         | Hillary Clinton, who before she became Secretary of state,
         | basically reiterated verbatim one of the most well thought out
         | assessments of unification I have ever heard. Since she is not
         | exactly a professor of Far East Studies, someone in the State
         | Department must have written it for her, someone who had been
         | studying it for decades, like I have.
        
         | zokier wrote:
         | > Not going to lie, sometimes it feels that some of the
         | Westerners act like that they don't even think of the remote
         | possibility that they might not be the center of the world...?
         | 
         | > South Korean maps do this, China maps do this, Japanese maps
         | do this, I'm pretty sure South East Asia countries also do
         | this, it's a normal thing to do. There's nothing special about
         | having the Pacific Ocean centered.
         | 
         | Worth noting that florence meridian (11E) is somewhat special
         | because centering map on it avoids cutting any major land
         | masses. The best pacific option (148E) still needs to deal with
         | greenland somehow. Of course Korea is quite off from 148E, so
         | the map here ends up bit wonky (Greenland is duplicated, but
         | Nunavut is not?).
        
       | bamboozled wrote:
       | From every account I've read, North Koreans suffer greatly, maybe
       | not holocaust level but we're totally fine to allow their
       | suffering to continue unabated. If I was a North Korean I'd hope
       | someone was coming to help me at some stage . Weird situation .
        
         | man8alexd wrote:
         | In the late Soviet Union, there was a joke: "We should declare
         | war on Japan and immediately surrender."
        
         | TulliusCicero wrote:
         | > we're totally fine to allow their suffering to continue
         | unabated
         | 
         | People aren't "fine" with it exactly, it's just that the
         | alternative usually looks (potentially) much worse.
         | 
         | Regime change would mean war with North Korea, and at the very
         | least that'd be a ton of artillery shells landing on Seoul and
         | killing a ton of civilians at the outset of the war.
         | 
         | North Korea by itself would obviously be much weaker than a
         | presumed SK+US force, but then you have to worry about China
         | potentially getting drawn in, and now you have two nuclear
         | superpowers fighting each other in all-out war. Nobody really
         | wants that.
        
       | mlmonkey wrote:
       | The Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh (which China claims as
       | "South Tibet") is not shown as a part of India in the Indian map,
       | as a hat tip to their political masters the PRC. And the Indian
       | state of Jammu and Kashmir is also shown as, I imagine,
       | "disputed" with a dotted line.
        
         | widforss wrote:
         | Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it disputed, with heavy
         | border tensions and all? I'm not claiming India doesn't control
         | it, and as a Swede I don't know much. But that's about the one
         | thing I thought I knew about Kashmir.
        
       | DeathArrow wrote:
       | Another interesting one is The Great Soviet Encyclopedia:
       | https://bse.sci-lib.com/
        
       | koliber wrote:
       | On the map of Europe, Poland has a strange nonexistent river
       | flowing through it. It enters the Baltic Sea more or less where
       | the Vistula river really does. But going south it mysteriously
       | veers east into Belarus.
        
         | seanw444 wrote:
         | I know sometimes cartographers leave nonexistent landmarks on
         | their maps to catch plagiarists blindly copying them. Not sure
         | if that's something similar here.
         | 
         | Could also be a method of identifying information leaks. Leave
         | unique imaginary landmarks on different prints associated with
         | certain people or groups of people that received that print.
         | 
         | Or just wrong info. Who knows.
        
       | sequoia wrote:
       | What's the source of the particular singling out of Israel here?
       | Is it because they're a US ally, or is there some other history
       | between the countries?
       | 
       | It looks like a singular designation in their atlas that Israel
       | is referred to not as an enemy, but as "nonexistent." Anti-
       | Israeli sentiment certainly creates strange bedfellows.
        
         | tkel wrote:
         | It's anti-imperialism. It's not that complicated.
         | 
         | There's many Israelis who will also claim that Palestine does
         | not exist.
         | 
         | It's colonization, and war. Israelis claim the land.
         | Palestinians also claim the land.
         | 
         | NK is united with Palestine via their anti-imperialist stance.
         | 
         | There are many other countries that also do not recognize
         | Israel:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_I...
        
         | xg15 wrote:
         | I think the Soviet Union had sided with Palestine (and also
         | lots of other countries in what today is called the Global
         | South) for most of the cold war, and this is a remnant of that.
         | 
         | Another effect of that is that a number of ex-soviet republics,
         | like Poland, have recognition of Palestine "grandfathered in"
         | even if they're part of the West and generally pro-Israel
         | today.
        
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