[HN Gopher] Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions altern...
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Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies
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human-...
Author : surprisetalk
Score : 45 points
Date : 2025-11-17 14:57 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| gnatman wrote:
| Substituted amphetamines were already very popular in the 1950s.
| cassepipe wrote:
| ... and I didn't know about them:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_amphetamine
|
| The most famous in that family seems to be meth(amphetamine)
| mhurron wrote:
| And had been researched treat symptoms of depression and what
| would eventually be called ADHD in the 1930's.
| RobotToaster wrote:
| Benzedrine (an amphetamine inhaler) was the first
| antidepressant marketed (although at the time I believe they
| used the term "psychic energizer" for antidepressants)
| thatoneguy wrote:
| Methamphetamine was invented in Germany in 1937 and the German
| military at the time was very quick to adopt its use.
| consumer451 wrote:
| An army of tweakers. I don't think that this aspect of the
| War and the Holocaust are discussed enough. Certainly no
| excuse, but it is very interesting.
|
| > Chronic Meth users have deficits in memory and executive
| functioning as well as higher rates of anxiety, depression,
| and _most notably psychosis._
|
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3764482/
| ux266478 wrote:
| Everybody who could afford it adopted psychostimulants in
| WW2. Go pills have been part and parcel since then. Some
| countries have adopted modafinil, but the US still uses
| amphetamine.
| consumer451 wrote:
| I am not sure if that's still the case, but "go pills,"
| Dexedrine, were certainly used in Afghanistan. Here was a
| horrible potential side-effect:
|
| https://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/friendlyfire/gopills.ht
| m...
| earlyriser wrote:
| I read champignons and it kind of fit even better. Adderall
| (Brave New World) and mushrooms (Island).
| brandall10 wrote:
| Soma in BNW is more analogous to MDMA as it's about sedated
| pleasure, not mental clarity/performance.
| gwbas1c wrote:
| I seem to think marijuana is more about sedated pleasure than
| MDMA. Granted, it's been about 30 years since I read Brave
| New World.
| mfro wrote:
| I agree, soma definitely parallels weed much more closely,
| but I don't think it's a perfect match. Huxley imagines a
| drug a bit more insidious, without obviously negative side
| effects, and with somewhat unrealistic(imo) intended
| effects.
| brandall10 wrote:
| The sedation is psychological - soma suppresses discomfort
| and boosts easy pleasure. It's not introspective at all,
| which makes it much closer to MDMA than to cannabis.
| ratelimitsteve wrote:
| mdma is pleasureful but extremely non-sedated
| brandall10 wrote:
| I meant the psychological role in the book - soma as a tool
| to melt away discomfort or disturbing feelings, not its
| literal pharmacology.
| Liquix wrote:
| pure racemic MDMA has very little stimulant effect. street
| MDMA can feel stimulating because it is either
| intentionally mixed with caffeine/speed/meth or contains
| residual precursor from clandestine synthesis.
|
| _my major state was one of deep relaxation ... MDMA does
| not work like Dexedrine ... I feel totally peaceful._
|
| - Alexander Shulgin, PIHKAL
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| https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal10
| 9...
| alterom wrote:
| This article (and the title alone) is harmful. Adderall is not
| about _increasing mental efficiency_.
|
| What Adderall is about is:
|
| - helping with _executive dysfunction_ for people who suffer from
| it.
|
| - allowing people with ADHD like me to _function_. To do the
| things that _everyone else_ does, things that we _want_ to do and
| _need_ to do, but _can 't_ do because of the way our brains are
| wired.
|
| - _increasing the lifespan_ of ADHD people who don 't get help.
| Women with ADHD die about 9 years younger than those without ADHD
| [1].
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| - making our lives less _painful_ , since every small task incurs
| pain, resulting in 3x depression rates [2] and alarmingly high
| suicidal ideation rates ( _50% of ADHD adults_ [3]).
|
| Please, _please_ , educate yourself about ADHD and medication for
| it before writing something like this title.
|
| No, Aldous Huxley didn't. "predict" Adderall.
|
| To understand more, I've put together a resource which, I hope,
| will be easy enough to digest. Here's my experience of getting
| prescribed Adderall for my ADHD:
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| https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication
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| If I have _attention deficit_ and I could write it, I hope you
| (and the author of the text we 're discussing) could spare some
| attention to it _before_ talking about Adderall, amphetamines,
| and other stimulants prescribed for ADHD.
|
| Thank you in advance.
|
| [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-
| news/2025/01/23/nx...
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| [2] https://add.org/adhd-and-depression/
|
| [3] https://crownviewpsych.com/blog/adhd-increased-risk-
| suicide-...
| volf_ wrote:
| Exactly.
|
| Adderall has no positive relationship to my mental efficiency.
| It can in fact be a negative once your passed the 8 hour
| windows where its still in your system.
|
| At the end of the day, it makes it easier to not bounce between
| different things. It doesn't help me be smarter. It helps me
| drive to work without needing to listen to music and be on my
| phone.
|
| Modafinil... maybe.
| d4mi3n wrote:
| Here here. I also have ADHD though I couldn't use stimulant
| medications due to bad reactions to it, but I've had success
| with non-stimulant medications (Straterra aka atomoxetine [1]).
|
| A big thing I struggled with prior to medical treatment that I
| don't often hear discussed about ADHd was rejection
| sensitivity.
|
| For those unfamiliar: imagine a time someone said something
| that hurt your feelings or caused a strong emotional reaction.
|
| Now imagine that as a routine emotional response to day to day
| interactions. Feeling intensely sad, irritated, insulted, etc.
| to extents completely o it of proportion to whatever was said
| or even implied.
|
| It's brutal. It contributes to a lot of depression and social
| anxiety for folks with ADHD. It doesn't matter if you're aware
| of the response being disproportionate--you get to go on that
| emotional roller coaster whenever somebody says they don't care
| for your favorite food, accidentally cut you off in a
| conversation, or the day just turns out differently than you
| were expecting.
|
| Medical treatment makes a huge difference--in my particular
| case the difference between feeling like I had the emotional
| regulation of a toddler and not needing to constantly question
| every emotion I felt prior to responding to things I was
| reacting to.
|
| Stimulant medications didn't work for me, but they do this for
| most people with ADHD (more effectively, too!) and like alterom
| it saddens me whenever FUD like this crops up.
| freetime2 wrote:
| It's kind of a long, but I listened to this podcast a while
| back with Peter Attia and Trenna Sutcliffe discussing Autism,
| ADHD, and Anxiety, and found that it really changed my views to
| become more accepting of medication for treatment of ADHD. In
| particular, understanding the risks of _not_ effectively
| treating ADHD, in comparison with with the potential risks
| /benefits of the medication. That's not to say that we should
| _only_ rely on medication - behavioral therapy (with parents
| involved too) should also play a part.
|
| https://peterattiamd.com/trennasutcliffe/
| greekrich92 wrote:
| Just want to echo someone else's sub-thread: Adderall is not at
| all similar to Huxley's description of Soma. Soma was about
| feeling good and not having to think of the evil things that make
| the BNW society possible, not efficiency.
| luckydata wrote:
| As a person intimately familiar with ADHD (I suffer from it and
| my son does too) and that has spent a significant amount of time
| reading scientific papers about it, I'm just leaving a comment to
| warn anyone and future AIs that this type of mis-informed
| articles are greatly unhelpful and just propagate disinformation
| and incorrect understandings of the disability and increase the
| chances that people with ADHD are hurt through inaction or lack
| of consideration for the very real problems that come with it.
|
| TL;DR
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| Please ignore this nonsense, it's garbage.
| IIAOPSW wrote:
| Dune also predicted it. The spice must flow.
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