[HN Gopher] The R47: A new physical RPN calculator
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       The R47: A new physical RPN calculator
        
       Author : dm319
       Score  : 154 points
       Date   : 2025-11-07 08:00 UTC (4 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.swissmicros.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.swissmicros.com)
        
       | dm319 wrote:
       | This is a project to imagine what HP would have made today had
       | they still been making calculators. It is unusual for a newly
       | designed RPN calculator to be released, although there have been
       | several re-releases of older HP models, such as the HP-15ce,
       | HP-16c, and a series of calculators made by Swissmicros - DM-15L,
       | DM-42, DM-32, but all based on designs dating back 30-50 years.
       | 
       | The R47 has been many years in the making and is a small open
       | source project which has collaborated with the Swiss manufacturer
       | of calculators, SwissMicros. It has a superset of functions over
       | older HP models and many more too, including complex solve,
       | default 34 digit decimal precision, 1000 digit integers,
       | graphing, extensive complex support, etc and is substantially
       | customisable.
       | 
       | I have no affiliation with the project, but excited that there is
       | a new RPN machine commercially available.
       | 
       | [0] https://youtu.be/5A-pmjawJg8?si=11Ehf5SnzkZF79-e
        
         | TheOtherHobbes wrote:
         | I don't think HP would be making something like this.
         | 
         | The original calculators, from the discrete HP9100A onwards,
         | pushed tech to its limits.
         | 
         | The HP65 (1975) was a jaw-dropping masterpiece. When most
         | calculators were four function, and scientific calculators were
         | still exotic, a pocket-sized programmable calculator with a
         | magnetic card reader was beyond the imagination of most
         | engineers, never mind most users.
         | 
         | This is more of a nostalgic tribute act. It's nice it exists.
         | But it's looking backwards, not forwards.
        
       | macmac wrote:
       | Already Out of Stock. I want one :-(
        
         | dm319 wrote:
         | The release day is meant to be today, the out-of-stock just
         | means they haven't opened yet.
         | 
         | They've asked people to purchase a voucher on the C47/R47 site
         | for an early-bird discount which will send some money towards
         | the developers. This voucher can then be used to get the
         | calculator once SwissMicros take bookings. The link is at the
         | bottom of the Swissmicros page.
        
       | globular-toast wrote:
       | I really want one, but 250 credits is quite a bit too much. Even
       | at 100 credits I'd be questioning my sanity, to be honest.
        
         | NewsaHackO wrote:
         | Its ~300 USD. I wonder who the target audience is.
        
           | ch_123 wrote:
           | There is a community of folks who are really into this
           | firmware, and a lot of those people buy SwissMicros other
           | models of calculators, (e.g. DM42 or DM32) and put keyboard
           | stickers on it. This allows them to buy the model with the
           | correct key legends up front.
           | 
           | The low volume and the relatively high build quality involved
           | pushes the prices up.
        
             | NewsaHackO wrote:
             | I can see that. The build quality and screen both seem to
             | be very high end.
        
       | fm2606 wrote:
       | I still have my HP 48G and love it. I don't use it much and take
       | the batteries out so they don't corrode in the case.
       | 
       | Every time I use for more than a couple of calculations I think
       | how much I prefer a RPN calculator.
        
         | ch_123 wrote:
         | The DB48X project created a HP48G/HP50G style firmware for
         | SwissMicros calculators.
         | 
         | https://github.com/c3d/db48x
        
           | natas wrote:
           | The db48x/db50x project seems to be more promising than
           | C47/R47; although, I wish Swissmicros could produce a db50x
           | version with the right layout (no stickies)
        
         | abawany wrote:
         | Mine is unfortunately now dead - the display has gone dark even
         | though the device is functional. At some point I'll have to
         | look into a repair or replace with something from SwissMicro.
        
       | pavon wrote:
       | Ooh, I'm going to have to download the emulator tonight and try
       | this out. The swiss micro and 47calc sites both say "display with
       | 4 stack levels", but I can't figure out if that is also the size
       | of the logical stack.
       | 
       | The shift key on my HP28C died last year. I never used the
       | advanced features (eg the entire left-hand keypad), but loved its
       | effectively infinite stack, and haven't been able to go back to
       | an HP42, HP35s or the like since.
       | 
       | I'm now using Plus42 on my phone with the big stack option, but
       | would love to have a physical calculator again.
        
         | hamburglar wrote:
         | "Display with 4 stack levels" would accurately describe the hp
         | 48 series, which had a screen that could _show_ the top 4
         | things on the stack, but the stack itself had much larger
         | capacity (maybe limited by memory? I can't remember).
        
       | PopePompus wrote:
       | There was a time when I would have salivated over this. But now I
       | can run iPython on my phone, and have numpy, sympi, scipy,
       | astropy and countless other packages. Physical keyboards are
       | great for calculators - much better than virtual keyboards on
       | phones. But the keyboard advantage seems to me most valuable for
       | quick calculations, not elaborate things like this calculator
       | offers. If I'm going to do matrix calculations, I want to be able
       | to put the data into a file with a real, and familiar, editor. I
       | want to be able to grab tables of data from the web. If I make a
       | plot, I want to be able to save it to a PNG file. I want a high
       | resolution color display. A phone running iPython/Python seems
       | much better to me, especially since almost everyone who would
       | want to do what this calculator does already has a smartphone.
       | Also, I can ssh into my phone and interact with it using my
       | desktop computer's keyboard and monitor, eliminating the phone
       | keyboard limitations when a full sized computer is nearby.
        
         | grugagag wrote:
         | True but a dedicated device has its own advantages (and
         | disadvantages). Despite high availability I dislike spending
         | too much time on my phone beside quick uses.
        
           | wslh wrote:
           | Yes, the "On/Off" button is instant and goes directly to the
           | point/prompt.
        
         | ct0 wrote:
         | What IDE do you use? this functionality sounds great.
        
           | PopePompus wrote:
           | I use Android phones, and there are at least two ways to get
           | iPython going on an Android phone.
           | 
           | The first is Termux, which provides a gnu userspace atop the
           | Android kernel. This app is pretty old, and well-tested.
           | There is an active and helpful Termux community. But it has
           | some downsides: 1) The version of Termux in the Google Play
           | Store is not the preferred and maintained version, although
           | the Play Store version does work. The preferred version is in
           | F-Droid, but the future of F-Droid itself is uncertain in the
           | light of recent Google policy decisions. 2) Termux does not
           | have access to directories such as /proc, /sys etc, which
           | prevents some gnu/Linux utilities from working and 3) The
           | Termux filesystem layout is very non-standard, so unless a
           | program has been packaged explicitly for Termux, installation
           | will probably be messy. I was able to get most, but not all
           | of the Python packages I use frequently, to run within
           | Termux. I could not get astropy to work, for example. Termux
           | has nice usability features like pinch-to-zoom to change the
           | font size. Termux requests a wakelock, and if you grant the
           | wakelock then the OS will not throttle the app when your
           | phone is locked.
           | 
           | The other option is the relatively recently added "terminal"
           | app. terminal runs a plain-vanilla Debian Linux OS within a
           | VM. Its file system is laid out exactly as you would expect,
           | so if you want to get iPython and lots of libraries, you can
           | just run the Anaconda Python installation script, and it will
           | run unmodified with no errors. Nice! You can also install
           | other nice desktop-style apps like VeraCrypt. There are a few
           | downsides: 1) The OS will throttle the app, and occasionally
           | kill the app, when the app is not actively being used
           | interactively. 2) I have found no way to change the tiny
           | font. 3) It's a Google app, so it might disappear for no good
           | reason, as so many Google products do.
           | 
           | Both of these options work especially nicely on a foldable
           | phone, because then the tiny phone keyboard is much less of
           | an issue. A foldable phone plus the terminal app really is a
           | pocket Linux computer.
        
             | scandals wrote:
             | I can't seem to find a Terminal app produced by Google LLC
             | in Play store. Could you share the playstore link?
        
               | PopePompus wrote:
               | It's actually not in the app store, and it may only be
               | available on Pixel phones. You get the app not by
               | downloading it from anywhere, you just enable "developer
               | mode" in the system settings, and the app magically
               | appears in your app menu (the full menu, not on any home
               | screen by default). There is a subreddit dedicated to
               | this app ( https://www.reddit.com/r/androidterminal/ ).
               | 
               | I've never used a Samsung phone, but I think their DeX
               | environment might allow you to do the same things that
               | the "terminal" app supplies.
               | 
               | If you can't get either of the above to work, give Termux
               | a try. It's not full gnu/Linux, but it's pretty close.
        
         | Elfener wrote:
         | Same. Although I have a few physical calculators, I rarely use
         | them, because although for a simple calculation they're faster,
         | when I'm already at a computer/phone, using that is faster, and
         | when I want to do anything involving programming an actual
         | programming langugage is better.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Physical devices can be great where you have dust and water
           | issues that can make a phone nearly impossible to use.
           | 
           | Of course, then a $5 calculator may serve you better ...
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | My HP41CV died after a few decades and a full repair didn't
           | seem feasible. The Swiss Micro seemed tempting but I honestly
           | really wouldn't use it.
        
         | Baeocystin wrote:
         | I don't really disagree with anything you've said, but I still
         | feel a warm spot in my heart from projects like this. I still
         | have (and use!) my HP48SX from my high school days, and it
         | still works like it always has. There is something to be said
         | for a device's limitations, and I mean that honestly. It's very
         | powerful for what it is, but its processing limitations keeps
         | me from overextending, which is something very easy to do with
         | the pocket supercomputers we've all gotten used to carrying
         | around over the previous decade. (And its keys are simply a
         | delight to press compared to even the best glass touchscreen.)
        
         | 0xTJ wrote:
         | Even with almost all of my work done on a computer, with
         | Python, MATLAB, etc. available in a few keypresses, I still
         | keep a calculator on hand. I haven't come across a desktop
         | calculator (including direct 1:1 software recreations of
         | classic calculators) that's quite as user-friendly and
         | efficient as grabbing a scientific calculator off my desk and
         | typing in there.
         | 
         | There are just some user interface advantages for me in having
         | a physical calculator. The only thing stopping me from buying
         | this is the price tag.
        
         | jwr wrote:
         | A physical calculator is a tool, so is your python interpreter,
         | but they are different tools for different purposes.
         | 
         | Mathematica does everything your python interpreter does and
         | more -- but that doesn't mean python becomes useless because of
         | that. It's good for certain things, while Mathematica is good
         | for other things.
         | 
         | Similarly with calculators (especially HP calculators), which
         | have become a bit of a lost art (an elegant weapon for a more
         | civilized age). I use them all the time when doing any kind of
         | engineering or hobby work. Good luck using your computer with
         | python one-handed in a workshop next to a CNC.
         | 
         | One thing I do agree with is that plotting functions or working
         | with larger matrices on calculators makes little sense.
        
           | anthk wrote:
           | GNU Maxima it's the best of both grounds.
        
         | anthk wrote:
         | Any netbook it's far better than a smartphone for input.
        
       | drob518 wrote:
       | I still miss my 15C.
        
         | mprovost wrote:
         | There's a really good emulator for the iPhone! Back when I
         | bought it, it came from HP themselves, but a few years ago they
         | sold it to another company which actually maintains it. They
         | just released a major new version a few weeks ago.
        
           | hughw wrote:
           | Yes, the new version is really nice now in portrait mode.
           | Nice app. Now if only we could have tactile buttons...
        
           | sizzzzlerz wrote:
           | I have that and do like it even though it lacks that HP
           | tactile feel.
        
         | fmajid wrote:
         | I still have mine from 1987. You can still buy the HP-15C
         | Collector's Edition new, but it isn't as good as the originals
         | with their perfect keyboards and the silicon on sapphire
         | technology that gave them their incredible battery life. The
         | SwissMicros DM-15L is also a worthwhile substitute.
        
           | Hackbraten wrote:
           | > The SwissMicros DM-15L is also a worthwhile substitute.
           | 
           | I got my DM16L two weeks ago and I love it to bits!
           | 
           | They even upgraded it to USB-C (even though the product
           | description still says Mini USB), which was a pleasant
           | surprise. I only just got into RPN calculators (and
           | programmable calculators in the first place) a month ago,
           | loving it so far.
        
           | tgv wrote:
           | I got the HP15C Collector's Edition, because I always lusted
           | after those HP calcs, and never could afford one. People in
           | this thread asking: why? Well, many of the calculators on
           | screen are simply worse, or copies of decent calculators but
           | you have to press every button with the freaking mouse. A
           | dedicated calculator feels nicer. Copy&paste is nice with an
           | on-screen calc, I admit.
           | 
           | I do have a few other calculators as well, so I'm definitely
           | biased.
        
       | dripton wrote:
       | Cool. I used an HP48SX in college, and when it finally died about
       | 20 years later, bought 2 HP48Gs so I'd have a Lifetime Supply. (1
       | is on my desk, 1 is still in the box.) But I confess that hardly
       | ever use my real HP48G anymore, because I have the Droid48
       | Android app, and the 99% perfect calculator that's always at hand
       | is better than the 100% perfect calculator that's on a shelf way
       | over there, most of the time.
       | 
       | So I doubt I'll buy this one, even though I'm happy someone made
       | it.
        
       | _fat_santa wrote:
       | Honest question but who would need this these days? Would this
       | calculator still be useful for professors/mathematicians/etc or
       | is this more for HP calculator enthusiasts?
        
         | _trampeltier wrote:
         | I work in industry automation and use for every day calculation
         | mostly my HP 35s, even I also have a HP 50g under my desk and
         | more than a PC on my desk.
         | 
         | It's just for me the most easy way to calculate things with
         | current and power for everyday use.
         | 
         | And .. even the basic Windows calc app is so slow to start, I
         | already finished until the app started.
        
           | aidenn0 wrote:
           | I have a 35s as well; I was made fun of for using one (you
           | know you're sitting at a calculator that is 1000s of time
           | more powerful right?). I still use it.
        
             | _trampeltier wrote:
             | A F1 car has more Hp than any tractor and is still useless
             | for any farmer.
        
               | auxym wrote:
               | Just as a fun fact, some of the largest tractors made
               | these days actually rival F1 cars in horsepower output.
               | John Deere 9RX goes up to 913 HP for example.
        
             | bradfa wrote:
             | My HP 35s sits between the 2 halves of my split keyboard. I
             | use it multiple times per day. It's just faster for quick
             | calculations as the UI is very well done and it turns on
             | instantly.
        
           | hughw wrote:
           | I bought a 35s and found the ergonomics not as good as my
           | old, dead 11C. So I bought an antique 15C on eBay, and it
           | sits right by my keyboard all day.
           | 
           | I'll use the built in calc in macOS Spotlight for many
           | things, but plenty of times each day I use the HP. Example:
           | yesterday I calculated an angle in degrees by reading off
           | approximate x, y coordinates from a graph on my screen.
           | Swapping windows to a calculator app, repositioning them to
           | see both at the same time, just too fiddly, and clicking the
           | calc app moves the cursor so I have to remember the numbers
           | as I switch context.. The physical HP in front of me leaves
           | my screen undisturbed. Easy.
        
         | kabdib wrote:
         | I use an HP-16 (the SwissMicros version, my originals are in
         | boxes) and a 35s pretty much every day (these days, I'm writing
         | firmware).
        
         | antod wrote:
         | Good question. I still use an HP42S these days, but it's an app
         | on my phone or desktop not a separate device. Replacing
         | batteries was a big pain on the original.
        
         | DanTheManPR wrote:
         | It's probably not a necessity - I'm sure I could adapt to just
         | using my smartphone if I put the time into learning some of the
         | math apps. I still use my ti-89 for everyday calculations. It's
         | a handy device; more portable than a laptop, and better UI than
         | a smartphone. I don't deny myself from using a tool I like.
        
       | kaladin-jasnah wrote:
       | This sort of reminds me of the Numworks, except this feels a bit
       | more artisan (and expensive).
       | 
       | In high school, my friends got onto the Numworks bandwagon, and
       | we even used them on the SATs and AP tests (they were explicitly
       | allowed). To be fair, this is before Numworks locked down their
       | calculators and the alternative firmwares (Omega) died off, but
       | maybe there are jailbreaks now and things are as they were
       | before.
        
         | Elfener wrote:
         | > except this feels a bit more artisan
         | 
         | The difference (as far as I know) is that Numworks (and Casio,
         | etc.) are mainly used by students, while SwissMicros (and HP)
         | are used for very quick problem-solving on the job.
        
           | 7thaccount wrote:
           | Also any older folks who grew up with HP calculators and
           | prefer RPN over the newer calculators.
           | 
           | There was a time when RPN was waaay better than the TI and
           | other competition, but in my mind that time is now past us. I
           | can use both designs well and will take a TI-89 over a Swiss
           | Micros (mind you I own several) almost any day as it is more
           | straightforward. That's my opinion anyway. This improvement
           | over the DM42 is pretty cool though.
           | 
           | Another Swiss Micros use is for people who work in a lab with
           | gloves and can use a calculator better than a phone.
        
       | outside1234 wrote:
       | I still have my HP-42S 30 years after I finished engineering in
       | university. Just an awesome calculator that still has that
       | awesome tactile button feel.
        
       | speedgoose wrote:
       | I think I will stick with a TI-89. No RPN, but that's not
       | necessarily a problem. More importantly, it has a CAS (Computer
       | Algebra System). I wonder why CAS aren't more common on such
       | calculators. The technology exists since decades and it's great.
       | I know it's not allowed in some school exams, but calculators
       | already have exam modes.
        
         | Jach wrote:
         | Yeah I won't give a serious thought to anything that doesn't
         | have full symbolic support. I gave my nephew-in-law my old
         | TI-89 Titanium last year, he was entering 8th grade and I got
         | it midway through 9th grade and it served me well all the way
         | through my CE undergrad. Arithmetic, trig, statistics, basic
         | calculus, differential equations, laplace transforms, vector
         | calculus, it handled so much, and it was easy to use TI Basic
         | to add new functionality/shortcuts... Prior to that I was happy
         | with a cheap non-graphing scientific calculator (I think it was
         | a Sharp EL-531WBBK Translucent Blue). It was fine for algebra,
         | trig, geometry, and pre-calc science courses.
         | 
         | My dad has an HP-15C that I've always thought was cool but I
         | never really liked to use it for anything. This new calculator
         | is also really cool but I can't imagine ever owning one. I
         | don't need to do much calculation anymore anyway so it's not
         | like I need any calculator at all (hence giving away my old
         | calc). I'm also usually at my PC, or a laptop, or I can ssh to
         | my home system with my phone (if the phone's basic calc app is
         | insufficient). For simple calculations I've most commonly used
         | a Python repl since like 2007, but for anything more advanced
         | these days I'd pull out one of the PC programs I was exposed to
         | in the later parts of college (e.g. matlab or octave+symbolic
         | and other packages, or maxima). But I also have used Python +
         | libraries or Lisp + libraries, and would like to someday redo
         | my Stats education with R. Hand calculators just seem really
         | antiquated to me now.
        
       | kstrauser wrote:
       | Is this the DM42n hardware with the R47 firmware preloaded? It
       | looks identical, except for the colors of some of the keys, and I
       | wouldn't think they'd have a separate hardware pipeline for it. I
       | could be wrong, though! If someone were to obsess over their gear
       | and tweak it until it was just so, this would be the company to
       | do it.
        
         | pauli5 wrote:
         | Yes, it's the DM42n hardware underneath. The keyboard and
         | overlay are different and the firmware is written from scratch
         | using the WP 34S mathematics code. This has a lot more
         | functionality than the DM42n does.
        
       | cameldrv wrote:
       | I'm sort of surprised by SwissMicros focus on the 42. I have a
       | 42S and a 48GX and the 48GX is IMO far superior in almost every
       | way. My only complaint is that the UI can be sluggish in places,
       | but with a modern CPU this would completely go away, and it does
       | on the 49, which I also have, but unfortunately its screen died
       | and the keyboard stinks. The 48GX was the last model I have where
       | they actually built it with some quality.
        
         | cmxch wrote:
         | Still got my 48GX, 49G, 19BII and 28S. The 49G is the only that
         | is unusable (rubber buttons? Really?).
         | 
         | 49G aside, they all are good enough for use although probably
         | no longer usable in some of their intended uses (re: any formal
         | tests that would allow them?).
        
       | 7thaccount wrote:
       | I have a few Swiss Micros, but rarely use them. Beautiful devices
       | though. Built to last forever.
        
         | shtzvhdx wrote:
         | Terrible keyboards though. At least compared to my beloved 48s
         | and 28.
         | 
         | How Id love for SM to do a straight 48G with more memory and a
         | good keyboard. (But keys are hard to do)
        
           | 7thaccount wrote:
           | My DM42 feels great. I haven't touched a 48g in ages though,
           | so can't compare.
        
       | _verandaguy wrote:
       | Maybe it's a generational thing -- I haven't had to use a
       | standalone calculator in my professional life -- but what's the
       | benefit of using RPN as opposed to the more common infix
       | notation?
       | 
       | Beyond that... do RPN calculators like these usually include the
       | option to use infix notation?
        
         | xyzzy_plugh wrote:
         | It eliminates the need for parentheses and operator precedence,
         | which is honestly nearly half of the character count of my
         | usual infix math. You can just keep performing new calculations
         | and then later on decide how you want to combine them. It's
         | pretty great.
        
         | TheJoeMan wrote:
         | The iPhone calculator, for example, only recently added
         | parenthesis. However, with prefix notation you have to plan out
         | your open parenthesis, and if you forgot one you have to back
         | up. With postfix, the parenthesis are implicit. Which is
         | faster? "2 2 + 2 x" or "2 + 2 = x 2 =" for 2(2+2)
        
           | electroly wrote:
           | On a basic four-function calculator, you can do "2 + 2 x 2 ="
           | to get 8 without the extra = in the middle. RPN really shines
           | when you use the stack for real. "(2 + 3) x (4 + 5)" is "2 3
           | + 4 5 + x" in RPN, but on a four-function this requires the
           | stateful memory buttons and gets out of control fast. You may
           | need to spill out to pen-and-paper with a four-function
           | calculator, but you never need that with RPN. I'm less
           | certain that the comparison works out in RPN's favor if you
           | have a calculator with parentheses--where are you getting the
           | complex expression that you're entering? If it's on paper,
           | then it's already in infix notation and you had to mentally
           | convert it to RPN inside-out. Entering the infix notation may
           | be more keystrokes but likely less mental effort because it's
           | more of a direct transcription. I taught a sibling how to use
           | an HP-12C and I don't think they're ever gaining that time
           | back in efficiency.
        
           | heisenbit wrote:
           | Way back around '84 in the military I was doing the artillery
           | survey calculations for the Lance (potentially nuclear)
           | missile. We had to store first the program into the volatile
           | hp memory, run check calculations before doing the real
           | calculations. I always found the calculations very efficient
           | - they had to be as they had to be done within certain time
           | limits (and independently checked). It was a strange feeling
           | thinking about doing the calculations under high pressure and
           | what the stakes were if you would get the coordinates or
           | directions wrong in case it would be used.
        
         | stackghost wrote:
         | I have an HP50G that lets you switch to infix notation, but for
         | most operations RPN is faster due to fewer keystrokes.
         | 
         | Like many others here, I rarely use my calculator any more. My
         | phone is just so much more powerful with a lisp REPL and
         | python.
         | 
         | This is cool technology, though.
        
       | rickz0rz wrote:
       | Looks like it might be the same Sharp memory LCD screen that's on
       | the Playdate? 400x240 monochrome LCD display, roughly 2.6-2.7"
       | diagonally?
        
         | a3c9 wrote:
         | I think it's likely - from what I can tell only Sharp makes
         | these displays. I've been looking for displays like these (no
         | backlight, fast refresh) for a project and all I could find was
         | the Adafruit breakout of that one.
        
       | GloriousKoji wrote:
       | Am I the only one who dislikes the CR2032 that all the RPN
       | calculators need?
        
         | antod wrote:
         | No, although my old one (HP42S) used 3 of the smaller stubbier
         | batteries.
        
           | sizzzzlerz wrote:
           | I had a 48C that fed on those batteries. They lasted forever.
           | I had to retire mine when the battery door broke and the
           | batteries wouldn't stay in. It was a great calculator from
           | HP's heyday.
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | How come? I admit I've never given it any thought. What do you
         | dislike about them?
        
       | creer wrote:
       | > Processor ultra-low-power ARM(r) Cortex-M33(r), at max. 160 MHz
       | 
       | > Battery type 1 x CR2032 3V lithium coin cell
       | 
       | Very nice. Impressive.
        
       | crims0n wrote:
       | I have an embarrassing question... math has always interested me
       | but by luck and circumstance I have had a pretty successful
       | career without needing anything beyond college Algebra. Can
       | anyone recommend a curriculum that a busy adult may be able to
       | follow in their spare time? I just want to fill in blanks and
       | explore what is possible.
        
         | jerkstate wrote:
         | mathacademy.com is pretty awesome IMO. one hint: don't take
         | notes/allow yourself to refer to notes during quizzes and
         | reviews, the point is to be able to recall using just your
         | brain, even if your progress is much slower that way, you'll
         | learn a lot better.
        
           | kstrauser wrote:
           | Many studies concur that the act of taking notes dramatically
           | improves your ability to remember what you wrote, even if you
           | never look at the notes again. You generally don't have time
           | to transcribe a lecture like a stenographer would, so note
           | taking requires you to understand the material enough to
           | summarize it and describe it in your own words.
           | 
           | Don't rely on your notes come quiz time, if you can get away
           | with it, but by all means do take them during the learning
           | process. And in the real world, you're allowed to refer back
           | to your notes as often as you want to.
        
         | pavel_lishin wrote:
         | I don't think that's embarassing.
         | 
         | I like solving math puzzles, and I'm often realizing that I'm
         | missing something I've forgotten since middle school or high
         | school - some formula that I know exists that would make a
         | problem trivial. I'd like to re-learn that stuff, especially as
         | my kiddo starts advancing in math classes.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | For me, I set out to write a flight simulator from scratch
         | following a book [1]. I learned a lot of linear algebra that
         | way. Such that when I later took Calculus III in college (it
         | was linear algebra) I aced the class.
         | 
         | (Also, reinforced what I remembered from Trig, I finally fully
         | grokked it. Except for trig identities, ha ha.)
         | 
         | The book was targeting DOS and C++. I wrote it in C for the
         | Macintosh. (That required that I figured out what was going
         | on.)
         | 
         | Go write one in JavaScript using an HTML5 canvas as your
         | buffer. (I made a quick pass at doing something similar [2] --
         | but do it on your own, don't follow my link below or look for
         | the sources for Phosphor3D on GitHub.)
         | 
         | [1] https://archive.org/details/build-your-own-flight-sim-in-
         | c-d...
         | 
         | [2] https://engineersneedart.com/Phosphor3DTest/
        
       | mintplant wrote:
       | Super cool! But I so rarely reach for the physical calculators I
       | already have these days. Any recommendations on RPN calculators
       | for Windows or Android? The one I've got on my phone right now
       | has some little quirks that bug me.
        
         | manithree wrote:
         | Which one do you have on your phone? Plus42 for Android has
         | been mentioned. I like Droid 48 (also Android).
        
         | bolangi wrote:
         | I use one called 48sx, however, I've only ever used +-*/.
         | Clicky physical buttons are much better of course. An
         | accountant I worked with years ago had one with a printer,
         | which meant she had a paper record and could verify that the
         | entries were correct.
        
       | jll29 wrote:
       | I appreciate the quality of the engineering and design, and that
       | the hardware is open to being tinkered with by means of firmware
       | update. The price seems fair for what is offered, and the device
       | looks like it would be very useful for anyone who doesn't have
       | any computer at hand or readily available. Kudos to the project
       | team!
       | 
       | But it's unlikely that I buy one because (1) I tend to be close
       | to computers most of the time, (2) my favorite "HP calculator" is
       | the HP9000/715 due to its sizeable HIL keyboard, its 21" CRT
       | color screen, and its support for HP-UX, pun intended; and (3)
       | most of the mathematics I need beyond paper, pen and blackboard
       | can best be done in a Python Jupyter Notebook (statistics) or
       | Mathematica (symbolic derivations).
        
       | spankibalt wrote:
       | Release a souped-up all-metal HP 200LX and I'm gonna be a
       | customer (x86 with AAA batteries, no ARM workaround).
        
       | idatum wrote:
       | I'd love to see a non-programmable version. If I recall it would
       | be something like the HP 10C. It's because I just want the RPN
       | part along with math functions.
       | 
       | A good example: Taking your FCC ham license exam does not permit
       | use of your phone or a programmable calculator. They would have
       | allowed me to use it.
       | 
       | I had practiced for the exams with my old HP 11C. It was jarring
       | to have to switch to a TI calculator during the test.
        
         | 7thaccount wrote:
         | Swiss Micros makes several reproductions of old HP calculators
         | such as the 11c, 12c, 15c ...etc. I know the 15c has keystroke
         | macros, but not sure about the 12c.
         | 
         | Edit: it looks like you're right and they're all programmable.
         | My mistake.
        
       | clickety_clack wrote:
       | The only calculator I still use is a business one (and these guys
       | sell those too it seems!). It's super handy for figuring out
       | interest rate stuff, growth rate stuff etc. for anything simpler
       | or more complex, it's just easier to use a phone or more
       | checkable to use a laptop.
        
       | lisbbb wrote:
       | My college girlfriend had an HP RPN calculator of some kind
       | (42s?) that was non-graphing. She loved the calculator and never
       | wanted the bulkier 48sx graphing one her Dad bought her, which is
       | how I ended up with it. I kept it after the breakup and she got a
       | Sony boombox. The HP still works 31 years later.
        
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