[HN Gopher] I Want You to Understand Chicago
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I Want You to Understand Chicago
Author : tonyg
Score : 326 points
Date : 2025-11-08 19:47 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| don_neufeld wrote:
| I'm so glad that Kyle wrote this.
|
| I'm so sad that he had to.
|
| Pay attention to what's going on and vote.
| ryandrake wrote:
| The problem is how many people enthusiastically voted _for_
| this madness, lawlessness and cruelty, and are still cheering
| it on.
|
| You can say "vote, vote, vote," and maybe it will work in 2026
| or 2028, or 2030 or whenever, but the root problem is not going
| away: you are still surrounded by people all over the country
| who want this.
| turnsout wrote:
| I don't know, man. That is definitely true, but they didn't
| win by a landslide. And a lot of their edge came from the
| MAGA Latinx vote. This ICE/CPB action is a total self-own.
| That Latinx vote is going to disappear, and we've already
| seen the results in the 2025 elections.
|
| I think the right will turn on itself in 2026. We could even
| end up with three parties, only one of them able to obtain a
| majority (Democrats). There's a plausible version of the
| future where the Republican Party goes the way of the Whigs.
| ryandrake wrote:
| > I think the right will turn on itself in 2026.
|
| If they turn on themselves it will not be over immigration.
| This is the one issue where they are almost all in wild
| agreement. A massive, overwhelming majority _of
| Republicans_ agree with these cruel treatment of
| immigrants[1].
|
| They might disagree on the economy or tariffs or jobs or
| whatever, but there's no infighting here. They fully back
| this cruelty.
|
| 1: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/07/what-
| amer...
| turnsout wrote:
| No, you're right--I don't think it will be over
| immigration. I think they'll lose in 2026 and tear
| themselves apart infighting about who's to blame.
| techblueberry wrote:
| The biggest division right now seems to be support
| Israel. And if we up the attacks in Venezuela, I do think
| the America first folks will get louder in their
| divisions.
|
| https://www.thefp.com/p/the-rights-existential-fight-over
| WillEngler wrote:
| There are some who voted for Trump and do celebrate the
| cruelty on display in Chicago. But I also think many wanted
| to deport "the worst of the worst" and that is what they
| thought they were promised. And per the media many consume,
| that is what's happening. It's an open question on whether
| the real extent of the crackdown will break through the echo
| chamber, but from conversations I've had with people who
| consume Fox News, I really do think a lot of Trump voters
| will not be ok with the tactics as they are actually being
| carried out. For example, I just don't think that earnest
| religious conservatives I know would defend denying the
| Eucharist to people in the processing facility
| (https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/02/faith-leaders-
| again-...) and then banning prayer outside the facility
| altogether (https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/07/feds-
| tell-faith-lead...). When you lay out this (and the many
| events in Aphyr's post) to them clearly, they really don't
| like it.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Margin of victory was ~2M votes, about how many voters 55+
| die in a year. Hopefully enough voters have aged out or
| learned their lesson next time around (considering election
| results we've seen in the last week or so [1]). You're never
| going to convince unsavory voters to vote with empathy, the
| subject brain structure does not support it (anterior insular
| cortex, primarily), you can only hope they're aging out of
| the electorate at a reasonable pace (and not being replaced).
|
| "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
| opponents and making them see the light, but rather because
| its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up
| that is familiar with it." (Planck's Principle [2] applied to
| voting)
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45818505
|
| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_principle
| saulpw wrote:
| The replacement voters are currently teenagers. They
| haven't "learned their lesson", they aren't old enough to
| have experienced politics at all. They were 6 years old
| when Trump was elected the first time. This is their
| reality and we can't expect that the electorate gets more
| sensible because old people rotate out.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-
| tracker
|
| https://www.newsweek.com/trump-support-among-men-
| eroding-108...
|
| https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-absolutely-
| craters...
|
| Young women are also most liberal than ever, and who
| carried recent election wins. I expect this trend to
| continue.
|
| https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/gallup-analysis-
| finds-yo...
|
| https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-
| men...
|
| https://msmagazine.com/2025/11/03/2025-election-results/
| ryandrake wrote:
| It's comforting that maybe this mentality is correcting
| itself one funeral at a time.
|
| But what really makes me sad is how this mentality so
| quickly swept into the country to begin with. 30 years ago,
| the vast majority of Americans would be horrified at the
| thought of people being assaulted on the street in broad
| daylight, black-bagged, kidnapped and disappeared forever
| by masked, non-identifying thugs. Fast forward 30 years,
| and (chances are) my neighbors want this and are absolutely
| giddy at the thought of it happening here!
|
| Regardless of who votes for what, how did my country turn
| into this?
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Tribalism, identity politics, low education and lack of
| respect for education and intellectualism, and late stage
| capitalism. A cautionary tale, for sure. People are
| angry, rightfully so, but at the wrong people. Thank
| Reagan (economics) and Gingrich (politics) for a lot of
| this we're facing.
|
| Deepfriedchokes is right; we need stronger, more robust
| systems to protect humans from other humans, because we
| cannot trust the human (broadly speaking).
| msandford wrote:
| The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved)
| literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border
| law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum"
| to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I
| go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people
| typically thought of asylum.
|
| You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an
| overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and morally
| wrong.
|
| But if you're unwilling to try and understand how it's
| possible that over half the country voted for someone who
| would enact policies that lead to what we're seeing now,
| you're simply not paying attention.
|
| If you just want to see the people who voted for this as
| "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same
| tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't
| like.
|
| Is that ugly and uncomfortable? Yes, absolutely. Will
| things get better by ignoring it? Absolutely not.
| deepfriedchokes wrote:
| We shouldn't need to count on voters dying to avoid
| outcomes like this. Our institutions are broken if they
| can't protect the public from a mentally ill public
| official on a power trip.
| ryandrake wrote:
| The point is that we are not talking about protecting the
| public from a few mentally ill public officials. These
| officials didn't just appear out of the ether, they were
| voted for by tens of millions of voters who want this.
| Even if the officials go away, those voters are not.
| strken wrote:
| I'm not sure this is the correct perspective on voting.
| Voters are often passionate about one or two key issues -
| crime, Israel v Palestine, cost of living, immigration
| policy, coal towns, Ukraine, military spending, or
| whatever is most important to them.
|
| If they voted for Trump it doesn't mean they agree with
| him on immigration and crime. They just have to think
| it's less important than the positions they do agree
| with. An effective argument to win over those voters
| isn't "you're evil and should have better opinions," it's
| "immigration policy is important too and this one is
| really bad, plus Trump is doing a bad job on your pet
| issues."
| queenkjuul wrote:
| Sadly GenX seems to be getting on board as quickly as the
| boomers are dying off
| ssl-3 wrote:
| We must always vote. Our voter turnout for elections in the
| US is approximately shit.
|
| We must also do other things, too: Voting isn't the end-all,
| be-all solution to everything. (And that's OK; we can do more
| than one thing at a time.)
|
| But the absolute necessity of actually-voting is a constant,
| and I'm equipped with a profound amount of intolerance
| towards any idea that may suggest otherwise.
| alangibson wrote:
| Voting is what got us in to this. This is supported by a
| majority of the US. You do not live in the country you think
| you do.
| daseiner1 wrote:
| Yup immigration was arguably _the_ concrete issue of the
| election and these were the campaign promises. Anyone with
| two brain cells to rub together knew that this is what mass
| deportation would look like.
| metabagel wrote:
| We already had mass deportation under Biden, and it wasn't
| conducted in this manner.
| HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
| > This is supported by a majority of the US.
|
| The election was fairly close. The winning candidate got
| elected by a coalition of people with differing views on an
| number of individual items within his platform. That does not
| equate to certain approval by the majority of the American
| population of any of the things the linked article recounts.
|
| All that said, as an American living abroad who votes left,
| the use of terms like "kidnapped" and "abducted" to describe
| immigration-enforcement actions seems really weird to me and
| my expat peers. There are quite a few democratic, developed
| countries high on freedom-ranking lists that widely deploy
| law enforcement to arrest and deport undocumented immigrants
| and visa overstayers. Sure, deplore lack of due process when
| actual citizens get caught in the net, but so much use of
| these loaded terms isn't even about that, it's criticizing
| actions against non-citizens.
| ryandrake wrote:
| > The winning candidate got elected by a coalition of
| people with differing views on an number of individual
| items within his platform. That does not equate to certain
| approval by the majority of the American population of any
| of the things the linked article recounts.
|
| There may be differing views on other topics among the
| party, but Republicans broadly support this vision of
| cruelty and these actions against immigrants[1] by huge
| margins. It's probably the one single vision they are
| united behind.
|
| 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45859760
| metalcrow wrote:
| Your citation doesn't support your claim
| ryandrake wrote:
| - 74% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents
| say the Trump administration is doing the right amount to
| deport immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. Another
| 12% say it's doing too little and 13% say it's doing too
| much.
|
| - Nearly nine-in-ten Republicans approve of sending
| additional U.S. troops to the border (88%) and increasing
| deportations (86%). More than six-in-ten strongly approve
| of these actions.
|
| - 80% of Republicans approve of cutting federal funds to
| cities and states if they do not cooperate with
| deportations
|
| - 72% of Republicans approve of suspending asylum
| applications, with 38% saying they strongly approve.
| HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
| It looks like the difference in the popular vote was
| 2,284,967 votes towards R. Do all of those 2,284,967
| voters demonstrably overlap with that 86% of the polled
| Republicans? If not, then claiming that a majority of
| Americans support every incident in the linked article
| based on the last election, lacks basis.
| ryandrake wrote:
| I'm not saying anything about the majority of the
| American population. Just that Republicans broadly
| support these actions. I _hope_ we never get to the point
| where a majority of the overall public support this.
| metabagel wrote:
| ICE are wearing masks, refusing to identify themselves,
| abducting citizens and non-citizens alike. They are
| accusing citizens of assault and then releasing them
| without charging - a pretty good indication that they lied.
|
| They are conducting warrantless searches. There is a case
| where they rammed the car of a U.S. citizen (clearly seen
| on video), promptly took her into custody, accused her of
| hitting them, and then released her without charging her.
|
| They are profiling people based on race and ethnicity.
|
| The abductions look like kidnappings. They don't look like
| law enforcement actions.
| HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
| In many countries, including some high on freedom
| rankings as I mentioned, certain police units are masked
| and may not have to identify themselves during stings,
| which after all rely on the element of surprise.
| Immigration-enforcement actions are commonly directed
| against people based on looks, and due process serves to
| ensure that if citizens are mistakenly rounded up, they
| are not further detained. Again, when I see Americans
| deploring ICE actions based on those things (and not the
| outright abuses), it's just a very peculiar political
| position from an international perspective.
| ryandrake wrote:
| In the USA, we have come to expect a certain level of
| formality, transparency, and adherence to due process
| when it comes to how law enforcement operates. Or, at
| least that's what we tell ourselves the standard is.
| Granted, we've been backsliding in this department for
| decades, which really started accelerating during the War
| On Terror. It's not new with this administration. But, we
| have strayed a long, long way away from the idealized
| "uniformed cop visibly walking the beat on the street."
|
| The whole "masked plainclothes men jumping out of an
| unmarked van, dragging someone off the street into the
| van, and swooping away" thing is what the villains in the
| movies did, not the good guys.
| queenkjuul wrote:
| These aren't stings. They're in body armor and masks
| patrolling the streets without badges.
| queenkjuul wrote:
| Many of these people are documented permanent residents or
| US citizens being grabbed without warrants, without being
| read rights, without charges, and without an opportunity to
| present documentation.
|
| That's kidnapping.
| stavros wrote:
| > The election was fairly close.
|
| Yeah but "the totalitarian Neonazis who wanted to deploy
| secret police were only a _slight_ majority " is _really_
| faint praise.
| HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
| No, my point was that in a close election that depended
| on a party building coalitions between heterogenous
| groups of voters, the people in favor of any particular
| action taken by the elected government may be a
| _minority_ of the population, not even a slight majority.
| stavros wrote:
| Sure, but in a healthy society, such extreme opinions
| should never even be close enough to a minority large
| enough to be elected into power. Hopefully, anyway.
| HeinzStuckeIt wrote:
| Blame it on first-past-the-post. It's just one of the
| many ways the Founding Fathers sowed the seeds of a
| politically unhealthy society.
| sgentle wrote:
| Do you not think there might be a relationship between the
| lack of due process and the choice of terms?
|
| Like, maybe the defining difference between arrest and
| abduction is whether the action is the output of an
| accountable system of justice, rather than whether the
| people doing it are the right kind of people and the people
| having it done to them are the wrong kind of people.
| Moveable_Type wrote:
| can't access due to UK online safety act
| pekim wrote:
| I'm in the UK too. So I read the article courtesy of
| archive.is.
|
| https://archive.is/X33oQ
| hexbin010 wrote:
| Well, technically, it's likely because he has decided to block
| UK IPs (or similar).
|
| A form of protest I assume, assuming he runs no business in the
| UK and no other reason to think the UK Gov has any interest in
| policing an .com blog run by someone who doesn't live there nor
| hosts the website there.
|
| (I'm not against that form of protest per se, but let's be
| clear about who's doing the blocking)
| davorak wrote:
| > A form of protest I assume,
|
| Or to avoid the fines and/or to avoid integrating some age
| verification service.
|
| Maybe symbolic since it unlikely the site would be
| prosecuted, even if they were in violation in some minor
| form. It is easy to be in violation to my understanding since
| it does not need to what is posted by the site owner as part
| of the blog but could be in the comments.
| blindriver wrote:
| The thing I don't understand is why didn't people care when 50
| people were getting shot every weekend for decades at a time?
| alangibson wrote:
| Citation needed
| blindriver wrote:
| If you don't understand how critically violent Chicago is,
| especially in the number of Black people shot and murdered
| every week, then you have no business being engaged in this
| topic. Chicago is one of the most violent cities in the US.
| alangibson wrote:
| Well then you should have no problem proving what you are
| now only insisting on. This is HN, not Reddit. Where's the
| citation? Prove what you said or I have no reason to take
| you seriously.
| blindriver wrote:
| https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/2025-Year-
| to-Da...
|
| 1646 shooting victims in chicago over 40 weeks = 36
| shooting victims per week. Although these are cases so
| there are probably multiple victims in many cases.
|
| If you go back 10 years, there are around 34,000 cases of
| gunshot victims.
|
| https://abcnews.go.com/US/58-shot-weekend-chicago-
| governor-r...
|
| https://cwbchicago.com/2025/11/two-killed-21-wounded-in-
| hall...
| tedivm wrote:
| So what you're saying is that the rate of violence has
| been dropping over the last decade? And that we should
| ignore fed violence (against brown, white, and black
| people)?
| don_neufeld wrote:
| And how does this compare to other cities on a population
| adjusted basis?
|
| "Chicago ranked 8th out of a bigger sample of 24 cities
| in terms of the homicide rate in both 2023 and 2024."
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8jl969pg7o.amp
| ozim wrote:
| I am not from US but watched Married With Children - I
| guess that's just the things are in Chicago.
| cylinder714 wrote:
| Go to YouTube and search for "chicago weekend violence".
| alwa wrote:
| What does that have to do with federal officers conducting
| immigration raids against schoolteachers and random US-
| citizen paralegals? Do you suggest that those people are
| the ones shooting and murdering Black people every week?
| blindriver wrote:
| People didn't care when it was Black people dying,
| getting shot, having their lives ruined.
|
| But when it's some other ethnicity being targeted, then
| all of a sudden they are up in arms, even though the
| scale is orders of magnitude smaller.
|
| This is racism by ignoring Black people.
| zemo wrote:
| The problem is that your claim is just untrue in two major
| ways.
|
| Chicago is ranked 22nd for murder and 92nd in the country
| in violent crime overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
| t_of_United_States_cities_b...
|
| The obsession with Chicago's murder rate and not the murder
| rate of cities like St Louis, Cleveland, Cincinatti,
| Indianapolis, or Little Rock is a political constructon of
| a right wing apparatus still hell-bent on punishing Chicago
| for having produced Obama.
|
| That murder rate is gang related and extremely localized,
| and to boot, people in Chicago DO care about it; here are
| the top results for searching for "Chicago groups against
| gang violence" in duckduckgo:
|
| https://thetriibe.com/2024/07/13-black-led-organizations-
| tha...
|
| https://www.buildchicago.org/our-programs/intervention-
| and-c...
|
| https://togetherchicago.com/violence-reduction/
|
| https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/community-
| safety/home/...
|
| https://www.chicagocred.org/wp-
| content/uploads/2024/04/2024-...
|
| It is just broadly untrue that nobody cares about it. This
| point is extremely easy to debunk if you have any desire to
| debunk it, but you obviously have no interest in that.
|
| And besides, there's an ocean of a difference between
| interpersonal gang on gang violence and the government
| sending secret police to put people into concentration
| camps and deport them to countries where they have no
| affiliation based on racial profiling.
| numbsafari wrote:
| What makes you think they didn't? What makes you think this is
| the solution to that problem?
| jghn wrote:
| I'd like to know what makes them think this actually happened
| in the first place
| lurk2 wrote:
| 50 every weekend is an exaggeration, but more people were
| murdered in Chicago from 2001 to 2021 than American
| soldiers died during the Global War on Terror (6,593 died
| in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. 11,561 in Chicago).
|
| This is something of a red herring though as somewhere
| around 75% of those murders are black-on-black, with only a
| minority involving Latinos. Chicago primarily attracts
| attention not because of its murder rate (#22 in the
| country vs. Detroit at #5), but instead due to the size of
| its population and the prevalence of violent music that has
| come out of the region.
| Gibbon1 wrote:
| My take the high murder rate among blacks in Chicago is
| due to Slavery, Jim Crow, followed by decades of racist
| therefor ineffective policing. That toxic racism is also
| what's motivating the ICE terrorizing.
| aftbit wrote:
| Not to dispute your point, but the GWoT was shockingly
| low casualty for the Americans. Almost 10x as many
| Americans died in the Vietnam war (58,281 US military
| KIA), mostly between 1965 and 1971, peaking at 16,899 in
| '68 alone. There are lots of reasons for this, including
| the different styles and intensities of fighting, the
| soldiers used (GWoT was all volunteer after all),
| improvements in transport and trauma care, and the sheer
| technological lead that the US held. GWoT was really an
| example of punching down counterinsurgency, not a real
| "war" in a lot of ways.
| blindriver wrote:
| My point is everyone has been silent about Chicago's violence
| for decades, and only now they seem to care because it's not
| Black people being targeted. It's straight up racism to not
| care about Black people's welfare but care only when it's
| other people being endangered.
| daseiner1 wrote:
| citizens shooting other citizens is radically different
| than the federal government lighting legal protections on
| fire and then pissing on the ashes.
|
| wholly disingenuous to compare the two.
|
| but yours is the standard misdirect on anything "Chicago"
| so I'm confident being disingenuous was intentional.
| lurk2 wrote:
| What legal protections are being infringed upon?
| galangalalgol wrote:
| The 4th amendment it would seem? Wrongful arrest,
| unlawful search and seizure, aggravated assault with a
| lethal weapon...
| convolvatron wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Chic
| a...
|
| you're just throwing shit at the wall
| lurk2 wrote:
| These demonstrations were nominally dedicated to
| protesting police brutality, not crime, and the policies
| they advocated for generally had an adverse impact on the
| crime rate in subsequent years.
| amazingman wrote:
| You're making a category error with this comparison. I'm
| wondering why the error isn't obvious to you.
| numbsafari wrote:
| Have they been silent, or have you been deaf?
| pkkim wrote:
| When I lived in Chicago, no one was silent about Chicago's
| violence. It was widely acknowledged as one of the city's
| biggest problems and there was a ton of effort put into
| stopping it by the government and nonprofits, including
| grassroots initiatives.
|
| To steelman what you're saying, it's true we lived with it
| so long that it came to seem normal in a way if you weren't
| personally affected. But "everyone has been silent" is just
| not true.
| ssl-3 wrote:
| I, for one, would also like to talk about the price of tea in
| China. I don't understand why nobody cares about this.
| mrkeen wrote:
| Getting shot? I think you might have stumbled onto the question
| of gun control. I wonder if that's ever been a topic of
| discussion.
|
| Or if it's about black-on-black crime, maybe there's something
| to look into with affirmative action?
|
| Cops against blacks? ACAB or kneeling at football games ringing
| any bells?
|
| Sarcasm aside, one difference here is that the government is
| trashing your neighbourhood on your dime. You have to listen to
| republicans say there's no money for healthcare while they
| spend money on deploying troops to shoot priests with pepper
| bullets and trying to deport citizens.
| pizlonator wrote:
| This is really sad to read!
|
| Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent
| to which this article gets it right?
|
| (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I
| sincerely hope that it is.)
| miltonlost wrote:
| Did you look at the links he posted? Have you seen the news
| reports he linked to? This is all actually happening right now.
| Please, read all he linked to an watched the videos of ICE
| kidnapping people violently.
|
| https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/11/05/daycare-...
| turnsout wrote:
| It's not an exaggeration. People have been kidnapped by these
| armed masked idiots within two blocks of my house twice, and
| those are just the closest cases I know about. Go check out the
| /r/Illinois subreddit [0] to see what's happening.
|
| [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/
| turnsout wrote:
| And of course now the parent post is "flagged." Thank you,
| Libertarian overlords, from protecting the tech community
| from this dangerous content.
| SlightlyLeftPad wrote:
| I gotchu fam, I'm snapping Full page screenshots of all the
| commentary here.
| vkou wrote:
| It would not be good to allow malcontents to spread
| disharmony.
| SlightlyLeftPad wrote:
| _< our benefactors have entered the chat>_
| tedivm wrote:
| They unflagged it, but the pause in upvotes means it
| dropped off the front page and out of people's minds.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Mission accomplished for the flaggers. I don't know why
| HN can't/won't fix this obvious abuse mechanism.
| hypeatei wrote:
| It's a forum run by venture capital if that tells you
| anything. The "tech right" were one of the reasons Trump
| won this past election. It describes a voter bloc
| consisting of Libertarian/Thiel/Musk types who are very
| motivated by: immigration (H1B), deregulation, increasing
| their wealth, and gaining more power.
| tedivm wrote:
| I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the
| surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday
| for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking
| black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my
| house daily.
|
| People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted.
| People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have
| had their children abandoned on the side of the road after
| being kidnapped. Just today they raided Little Village with
| hundreds of masked troops. I'm in a dozen signal groups to get
| alerted about where things are.
|
| What scares me the most is how few people seem to actually know
| what is happening here. I talk to people outside of Chicago,
| and watch the news, and I don't see or hear about anything
| that's going on here. I tell them what's happening and they are
| shocked.
|
| It is impossible to convey what is happening here, how scared
| we all are for this country, and how much things seem to
| escalate every single day that this goes on.
|
| Edit: This post has been flagged and hidden, just demonstrating
| how much this country wants to pretend this isn't happening.
| It's unflagged now, but the fact that anyone would want to hide
| what's happening here shows how bad things are for all of us.
| SlightlyLeftPad wrote:
| The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast
| licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with
| why there's no coverage.
|
| If the media had balls, they'd broadcast anyway, license or
| not.
| tedivm wrote:
| There's a lot of good independent media looking at this.
| Some good sources:
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/unraveledpress.com
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/djbyrnes1.bsky.social
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/thetriibe.com
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/prisonculture.bsky.social
| SlightlyLeftPad wrote:
| When the media wasn't really a money printing machine for
| billionaires, this also wasn't an issue.
| jorts wrote:
| I see your post and OPs just fine.
| enraged_camel wrote:
| >> What scares me the most is how few people seem to actually
| know what is happening here.
|
| Submissions like this getting flagged contributes to that.
|
| I mention that because the previous submission with this
| article got flagged to death.
| AstroBen wrote:
| I'm an immigrant in Chicago (fortunately not one of the racial
| groups they're targeting) and I follow it pretty closely - yeah
| it's all really happening. I saw kids get taken away in front
| of where I live and others just a few streets down
|
| The abuse of power there is ridiculous
| queenkjuul wrote:
| Not at all exaggerated. The agents are lying about anything and
| everything even when there's evidence. One of them threw tear
| gas out of the window of their SUV because they were pissed to
| be stuck in traffic. They'll hit and run parked cars and flee
| the scene.
| giraffe_lady wrote:
| Every bit of it is true and there's more that he doesn't
| mention, probably because it's not as well documented yet.
| kasey_junk wrote:
| My kids school has started doing drills with the students in
| what to do when ice shows up. Like they do for tornadoes. They
| need to because ICE is using schools as raid locations every
| day.
| tr4ce wrote:
| It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine.
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/...
| tedivm wrote:
| I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the
| wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help
| protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their
| resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you
| see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have
| Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals
| getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for
| congress like Kat Abughazaleh being indicted for protesting,
| and then Pritzker is giving speeches and going on podcasts
| while not even stopping his own thugs from helping ICE.
|
| He doesn't have a spine, he has an election strategy.
| selectodude wrote:
| I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn't have nearly
| as much power over ISP as he should.
| carterschonwald wrote:
| This shit is so fucked up. And at a certain level I'm
| disappointed that we are still trying to fix it peaceably when
| every day of delay, there is irreparable harm to physical
| wellness, mental health and rights as citizens or residents. Also
| science in America is fucked for the next decade.
| galangalalgol wrote:
| Violent resolution of the situation would almost certainly
| result in a society with even fewer freedoms. That is the
| historical lesson. Violent resistance to authoritarian
| takeovers gives them an air of legitimacy they need. That is
| the whole point of chicago and the attempt in Portland. They
| want violent resistance to justify crack downs. Instead they
| look like storm troopers. I am in awe of the restraint of those
| living in Chicago. Ice hasn't done half as much in Texas and
| they are getting ambushed with assault rifles. That doesn't
| work with their narrative of lawless blue states though. The
| ability of Chicagoans to resist peacefully, endure, and
| document these events may well be what gives the US another
| chance at being a democracy.
| g-b-r wrote:
| Unfortunately, violent reactions is what Trump would love,
| because it would allow a much bigger, probably definitive,
| escalation
|
| I think Americans should first do everything possible to bring
| to sanity the supporters of Trump
| monero-xmr wrote:
| I didn't realize how many scientists crossed the border without
| papers, claimed asylum, and became professors at research
| universities
| carterschonwald wrote:
| lol. It's that the immigration policies currently being
| attempted plus the university grant shenanigans are
| destroying the stem training / research pipeline
| monero-xmr wrote:
| Strange, I know a ton of post docs and there is a lack of
| opportunities for them right now, both in academia and
| private sector
| thechao wrote:
| A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative
| behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right
| now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act;
| specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against
| Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in
| State persons.
| tedivm wrote:
| Until the supreme court overturns that.
| tanjtanjtanj wrote:
| They already did, more or less.
|
| The supreme court ruled that unless your case is virtually a
| carbon-copy of an existing Bivens case then it doesn't count.
| The current supreme court does not respect precedent in any
| meaningful way.
| Marshferm wrote:
| How can this be flagged? It's documentary.
| queenkjuul wrote:
| This should not be flagged. This is the truth of what's happening
| here right now.
| fancyfredbot wrote:
| https://archive.is/X33oQ for those in the UK.
| paganel wrote:
| This [1] is civil-war-inducing stuff, that's not "police", that's
| an army that attacks its own country's citizens. Crazy stuff,
| didn't think I'd get to see this happening in the States.
|
| [1] https://x.com/LAURA_N_ROD/status/1985412485185188067
| hypeatei wrote:
| A news station producer was arrested by ICE and the agents peeled
| away ripping off someone's bumper[0][1] just for her to be
| released later without charges.
|
| 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/14/chicago-
| ice-...
|
| 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGI2hMaz5Q
| epgui wrote:
| Currently as a Canadian there are probably only four or five
| countries I really do not want to travel to. In no particular
| order: North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United
| States.
| don_neufeld wrote:
| Totally get it.
|
| My parents (Canadian) won't visit, and haven't since Trump's
| first term.
|
| Keep in mind these are people who were educated in the US
| (Cornell, RPI, Florida State), and as kids, we used to spend at
| least a month a year in the US on vacation with their college
| friends. So not historically haters.
|
| Hell, I just remembered as a kid I spent a whole summer in
| Chicago. IIRC We stayed in student housing while my dad
| finished his book (https://archive.org/details/Inside_Commodore
| _Dos_1984_Datamo...).
|
| Hottest summer of my life and no AC anywhere to be seen.
| bluedino wrote:
| Why, exactly?
| roxolotl wrote:
| Did you read the article? Not wanting to visit countries
| where secret police are rounding people up, regardless of
| citizenship, seems like a reasonable opinion.
| khannn wrote:
| I prefer the country with state sponsored "suicide" for
| undesirables
| segmondy wrote:
| if you reddit, follow r/chicago it's truly heartbreaking.
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