[HN Gopher] Apple nears $1B Google deal for custom Gemini model ...
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Apple nears $1B Google deal for custom Gemini model to power Siri
Author : jbredeche
Score : 30 points
Date : 2025-11-05 19:43 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (9to5mac.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (9to5mac.com)
| Noaidi wrote:
| So now it does not matter what platform you choose for your
| smartphone, you cannot escape Google AI surveillance. Well you
| can shut it off on the iPhone I guess, but that means no more
| privacy focused Apple Intelligence.
|
| Next to all the money they poured into Liquid glAss, this will be
| the worst investment Apple has ever made.
| nomel wrote:
| This assumes they'll make the data available to Google. With
| all their secure "Private Cloud Compute" stuffs they
| advertised, there's a good chance it will not be shared.
| flounder3 wrote:
| OP's 9to5mac article states: Also under the
| agreement, Google's model will reportedly run on Apple's own
| servers, which in practice means that no user data will be
| shared with Google. Instead, they won't leave Apple's Private
| Cloud Compute structure.
|
| Bloomberg states: The model will run on Apple's
| own Private Cloud Compute servers, ensuring that user data
| remains walled off from Google's infrastructure.
| lawn wrote:
| GrapheneOS.
| pcdoodle wrote:
| patiently waiting to see which snap dragon will supported.
| Hopefully something smallish.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-05/apple-
| pla... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45826664)
| ml-anon wrote:
| If true this is the deal of the century. Apple pay 1/14th of a
| Wang per year for a top tier model whereas Meta burn multiple
| Wangs a year in salary alone and get garbage.
| thorncorona wrote:
| When is this not true?
|
| It is cheaper to buy GPUs than to develop the capabilities to
| develop GPUs.
| pcdoodle wrote:
| On device models please. My computer should work for me.
| prossercj wrote:
| This is remarkable if you consider how much it must wound Apple's
| pride to make this deal with their main rival in the smartphone
| software space, especially after all the fuss they made about
| "Apple Intelligence". It's a tacit admission that Google is just
| better at this kind of thing.
| jerojero wrote:
| I really hope Apple is working hard on improving on-device models
| for their use case so they can get out of this.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| The question is if Apple will buy TPUs to run it too.
|
| $1B for the software and $1B for the hardware, every few years.
| bnchrch wrote:
| Today I asked to my homepod:
|
| > "Hey Siri, whens the next Formula 1 race in Montreal"
|
| and she responds with the same infuriating answer I typically get
|
| > "Hmm, I found some interesting results on the web, I can show
| them to you if you ask again from your iPhone"
|
| I don't care what pride Apple has to swallow, or if they have to
| layoff 10,000 people.
|
| I just want my device ecosystem to be able to do what its
| competitors have been able to do for a decade, or what Ive been
| able to build myself for the last 3 years. A working and useful
| voice assistant.
|
| At this point Im convinced Tim Cook could sit at a terminal
| himself and ship a better version of what Apple has in an
| afternoon.
| ddxv wrote:
| Mind blowing they couldn't get this to work. It's struck me
| lately that the models don't seem to matter anymore, they're all
| equally good.
|
| The UX and integration with regular phone features is what makes
| the tool shine and by now there should be plenty of open source
| models and know how to create their own.
|
| What is Google offering that Apple can't figure out on their own?
|
| Maybe people don't personal assitant AI enough to justify the
| investment? My phone has probably 6 or 7 AI tools that have
| talking features that I don't ever explore.
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