[HN Gopher] Carice TC2 - A non-digital electric car
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Carice TC2 - A non-digital electric car
Author : RubenvanE
Score : 167 points
Date : 2025-11-05 14:25 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| 0_____0 wrote:
| Analog in what sense? No digital readouts?
|
| It has a standard EV charge port, so it's definitely got
| computers in it somewhere to negotiate charging at a minimum.
| imglorp wrote:
| The post's title was editorialized: the archived page makes no
| mention of analog. The neutral title would be "The 100%
| electric Carice TC2: a real retro head-turner".
|
| I think OP meant there were no screens in the sparse cockpit,
| just some analog gauges.
|
| And yeah electric cars need a battery management computer, a
| charge controller, and a motor controller at least.
| candiddevmike wrote:
| Out of curiosity, are those components standardized/swappable
| between manufacturers/models, or customized for each
| individual make/model?
|
| So much of "old school" auto maintenance was having a
| relatively standardized size/fit for similar components.
| waweic wrote:
| Really interesting question!
|
| I have an unusual EV made by a relatively small company of
| which only a handful got to private customers, so if I want
| to fix something, I have to reverse-engineer it first. Most
| of the time, I will find out that the components used in my
| vehicle were also used in other cars.
|
| Regarding the difference between EVs and ICEVs, only the
| powertrain components are relevant and between those, some
| are more exchangeable and some are less so.
|
| As with ICEVs, most manufacturers have "platforms" that are
| shared between multiple makes/models. Having shared
| components with other vehicles of the same platform is the
| rule rather than the exception.
|
| In the cars I have seen, the whole battery often only fits
| that specific model, sometimes also for other cars within
| the same platform. The modules that make up the battery are
| often exchangeable with other cars made by the same
| company/group. The cells that make up the modules are
| almost always generic, but very hard to replace. The
| battery management system is usually specific to the
| battery.
|
| I don't know about the current state, but for early EVs the
| motor and inverter (which converts battery DC to AC for the
| motor) were often made by external suppliers. Especially EV
| variants of otherwise ICE-based vehicles like the Fiat
| e500, VW Golf/Jetta, and some french cars all use the same
| motor and inverter made by Bosch. If an inverter is
| connected to a different type of motor, it needs to be
| tuned for it which is not trivial.
|
| Onboard Chargers (OBCs), that convert AC line voltage from
| AC chargers to battery voltage are often quite generic and
| developed and manufactured by suppliers. They are almost
| always interchangeable within the same platform, but I
| haven't yet seen completely unrelated OEMs use the same
| OBC. The same applies to fast charging communications
| equipment, which is often integrated into the OBC.
|
| DC/DC converters (the alternator equivalent) are rarely
| separate components anymore and often integrated into
| either the OBC or the inverter.
|
| Voltage-wise, all these components are often surprisingly
| flexible and can be used with much lower voltages than
| their maximum rated voltage.
|
| Other components like contactors and connectors are very
| generic and I haven't yet seen one that only one OEM would
| use. There are likely exceptions to this. Often, the base
| components like the OBC or the inverter are almost
| identical, only using other (also generic) connectors.
|
| While technically all these components could be replaced in
| the "old school" style, almost all of them require either
| coding the components to the specific vehicle, or flashing
| an OEM-specific firmware. While the former is only doable
| with OEM-specific software (that is far too expensive for
| both indiviuals and most independent workshops), I haven't
| yet seen any example of the latter, at least not for
| swapping components between unrelated platforms.
|
| As of now, there are almost no "official" aftermarket
| replacements for these major components. I don't know of
| any major supplier that will directly sell parts in small
| quantities and OEMs likely won't sell you as an individual
| replacement parts either. For DIY repairs, finding used
| parts from wrecked cars and coding them with cracked
| software or having it done in an authorized workshop (if
| even possible) often seems to be the only option so far.
| Also, everyone will discourage you from working on your EV
| for "electrical safety" reasons (actually, it's more
| profitable if they do the work). Working on an EV is quite
| safe, if done right (which is not hard).
|
| Most of these limitations do not only apply to EVs, but to
| almost all modern cars. Often, the necessary work of
| reverse-engineering and cracking software has already been
| done for ICEVs for tuning purposes.
| beardyw wrote:
| Hell, I was souring through to see how they made it fully
| analogue.
|
| A stupid title.
| rbanffy wrote:
| Most likely step motors in the instruments. I am sure there
| is no analog voltage or pneumatic input to the dashboard.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| Neither was there in cars with dials 30 years ago.
| ptsd_isv wrote:
| You can negotiate charging with essentially a single resistor.
| Deciding when to stop / balancing cells etc is the harder
| problem.
| Onavo wrote:
| Well, OP Amps are technically "analog" too.
| fragmede wrote:
| Well, they could be using vacuum tubes...
| IshKebab wrote:
| > You can negotiate charging with essentially a single
| resistor.
|
| For USB sure.... I'm pretty sure this doesn't charge over
| USB.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| I'm surprised, and you'll be surprised, but this is true!!
| I gotta start actually looking shit up before saying
| something....
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Signaling
| labcomputer wrote:
| J1772 is significantly more than a single resistor. And,
| while the signaling _is_ analog, all practical
| implementations are going to use digital circuitry to
| generate and detect it.
| dlcarrier wrote:
| It's a term usually used to describe the gauges/displays on the
| dash.
| lysace wrote:
| Mirror: https://archive.is/ACbrd
| flobosg wrote:
| (2023), at least based on that mirror.
| gdotdesign wrote:
| Lovin' this! Though I'm not a fan of the design but like the
| spirit of it.
|
| I can't fathom why we can't have a modern car with analog
| displays and switches in the cockpit.
|
| I own a 25 years old car which only has a digital radio
| (removeable!) and that's it, perfectly enough.
| SirFatty wrote:
| No fuel injection or electronic ignition? I'm sure there's an
| ECU somewhere in the vehicle.
| regularfry wrote:
| Not features found in the cockpit, unless you are not going
| to space today.
| cameron_b wrote:
| This is the sentiment completely.
|
| My 34-year old base spec Chevrolet has digital controls for
| timing advance, fuel trim, and integrated Engine and
| Transmission Control Units. But my dash has some analog
| components ( fuel level is variable voltage instead of PWM ).
| The mechanics would all say that my truck is very simple, and
| "old school"
|
| The Lay use of 'analog' is far removed from function. As long
| as there isn't a screen, it isn't seen to be digital. I
| studied photography in college and loved shooting film. I
| have a processing machine that is based on a 6502. When
| people would talk about non-digital things as analog it would
| bug me (One is chemical, and one is a computer).
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes /
| cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of
| both worlds.
|
| However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded
| programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars
| with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital
| Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.
| rjsw wrote:
| ECUs talked to each other over a digital bus long before
| anyone added a connection to the internet.
| potato3732842 wrote:
| The first 20yr of automotive computers they weren't
| really talking to each other and when they were it wasn't
| really bidirectional and it wasn't typically on a bus
| unless you wanna call a dedicated wire a bus.
| rjsw wrote:
| I was working on diagnostics for cars using CAN in 1995.
| jonah wrote:
| It's electric.
| addaon wrote:
| Look at the Bugatti Tourbillon. About as analog-appearing as it
| gets. Clearly there's a recognition that this is what luxury
| looks like -- but switches (let alone dials!) cost more than
| touch screens.
| fragmede wrote:
| On a Bugatti? The switch replacement costs more than a car!
| https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMgEhBsh/
| porphyra wrote:
| The most analog-appearing car interior I've ever seen is the
| Spyker C8:
| https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spyker_C8_Spyder_-
| _F...
| bityard wrote:
| Oh, yet another luxury EV.
|
| Wake me up when a manufacturer finally commits to making an EV
| that everyone can afford and isn't a cloud-connected privacy
| nightmare.
| Upvoter33 wrote:
| Don't know the cost here but I would fathom it's not "cloud
| connected"
| brianshaler wrote:
| > What is the price of a Carice TC2?
|
| > Prices for a TC2 start at EUR44.500 excluding taxes
| (EUR53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax).
| Upvoter33 wrote:
| I guess that makes it a luxury EV ...
| ihumanable wrote:
| I'm holding out hope for https://www.slate.auto/en I know it's
| somehow associated with Amazon, is it going to be a cloud-
| connected privacy nightmare. I haven't heard anything about it,
| but I also wouldn't be surprised.
| dlcarrier wrote:
| It rumored to have VC funding from Besos, but that doesn't
| give them special access to Amazon nor Amazon special access
| to Slat.
|
| It can lead to conflicts of interest (see also:
| https://www.law.com/delbizcourt/2025/10/29/attorney-for-
| amaz...) but that's a far cry from significant data sharing.
| jonah wrote:
| Slate doesn't have infotainment. It's BYOD with a dashboard
| mount and a USB connection for car integration.
|
| I haven't heard specifically about connectedness otherwise,
| but I highly doubt there is a hidden SIM card in there
| somewhere.
| rw-j wrote:
| It's 45k for a very unique car built in the EU. I don't think
| the price tag is that bad, honestly. It's a fun car for people
| who already have 2 others.
| RubenvanE wrote:
| The car starts at about EUR45k, about the same price as a Tesla
| Model 3!
| jacquesm wrote:
| That's ex VAT.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| It's a few grand more than a Focus ST. Hardly "luxury" money.
| zokier wrote:
| For a toy? definitely "luxury money"
| rgmerk wrote:
| Privacy nightmare undoubtedly, but if you want affordable EVs
| BYD has you covered. A fully-functional, crash-worthy and
| apparently quite decent EV for around 16,000 USD (in
| Australia).
|
| If you can't buy one, blame your government:
|
| https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-reviews/2026-byd-atto-1-rev...
| herpdyderp wrote:
| Would be great to read about it but my _residential internet_ has
| apparently been blocked for "malicious activity".
| chrsw wrote:
| This is dangerously disruptive content.
| protoster wrote:
| Residential internets are now proxies for AI scrapers.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45741357
| fragmede wrote:
| specifically, "free" VPN isn't free. They use your computer
| that has the VPN software installed as an exit nodes for
| other customers. Those other customers hammer websites for
| their AI until it gets blocked. Sucks for you, unfortunately.
|
| Talk to your kids about the dangers of VPNs before it's too
| late.
| cuu508 wrote:
| Which VPNs are like that?
| fragmede wrote:
| Hola is the big one, but in practice, if we hypothesis
| that no one's running a VPN as a charity, free VPN
| products need to make money someway, and if you're not
| paying to use it, how else are they gonna make money?
|
| So basically be suspicious of every single "free" or
| suspiciously cheap VPN. Go with known brands that come
| recommended by mulitple people, especially from people
| "in the know".
|
| Though PirateSoftware (a person) has a good bit on why he
| doesn't advertise for VPNs on his channel.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| All the ones you don't construct for yourself out of an
| inexpensive VPS.
| shermantanktop wrote:
| your preferences don't sound like facts. Are you claiming
| that paid VPNs "all" do this as well?
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| How do you think they make money?
| Wingman4l7 wrote:
| ...through the subscription fee.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| And from selling your data to whoever shows up with
| enough cash.
|
| What, you think they're leaving that money sitting on the
| table?
| cuu508 wrote:
| It's one thing to operate with an assumption that any VPN
| other than your own should not be fully trusted.
|
| It's another thing to claim _all_ of them are obviously
| corrupt.
| bityard wrote:
| From the pictures, this is the kind of vehicle that you would
| gladly pay extra to have delivered to your second vacation home
| so you can park it next to your 6 other semi-exotic cars and
| drive it half a mile to the country club on Saturdays.
|
| If that is not your demographic, they might have geo-located
| your IP and blocked you based on the median income of your
| area. (Only half joking.)
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| It's about 44 grand. It's definitely not "country club"
| money.
|
| Not a hell of a lot more than say a Fiat 500E convertible,
| and quite a bit cooler.
| mikestew wrote:
| Oh, c'mon, it's 44K. One can easily spend 30K or more on a
| motorcycle these days, we are a long way from "country club"
| prices. If it came to the U. S., I'd probably pick one up to
| park next to our Hyundai (yeah, a Hyundai, not a Range
| Rover).
| dlcarrier wrote:
| You're Web browser probably isn't leaking enough identifiable
| information for the site to judge whether or not you're a bot,
| so it default to denying you.
| ErroneousBosh wrote:
| It looks like a kit car version of a Porsche 356 crossed with a
| Nissan Figaro.
|
| It actually looks rather more expensive than it is - it's about
| 44,000EUR putting it at the same sort of money as a Focus ST.
| Expensive toy, but not horribly so.
|
| Unsure what it's based on, probably (like the Figaro) some
| fairly inexpensive existing car's subframes.
| pkphilip wrote:
| This is nice! not a big fan of the design and would really prefer
| a fixed roof but the concept is still a good one and the
| avoidance of all the digital doodads is great!
| jmward01 wrote:
| I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things
| evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it
| to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a
| network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1
| feature.
| stavros wrote:
| I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM
| (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).
| srameshc wrote:
| This is how it should be if the user prefers not to be
| connected.
| abakker wrote:
| I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and
| cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or
| any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.
| hrimfaxi wrote:
| What would the car maker gain from adding a decoy sim?
| dylan604 wrote:
| analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how
| they use it might be different. most use it to monetize
| the data. some might actually use it to improve things.
| because some do use for making money, those that do for
| actual improving will always be deemed suspect
| hrimfaxi wrote:
| You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would
| install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people
| from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data
| without potential user disruption?
| dylan604 wrote:
| yes
| observationist wrote:
| This is where things like a HackRF or flipper zero are
| useful - leave a scan running over 24 hours from multiple
| fixed locations within the vehicle and you can detect if
| there are any wireless transmissions, and then triangulate
| on exactly where they come from using several pieces of
| yarn cut to the length of estimated distance from the
| source.
|
| Cars should be independent, local only devices. Having
| cloud dependencies is just reckless and stupid.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Can this be done without picking up the myriad of SIMs
| that pass near your car? How would you know which of them
| is your ghost SIM?
| observationist wrote:
| You'd need to differentiate between sources - you'd want
| to capture every signal, then sort into buckets by
| frequency, by regular timing, and so forth - if a device
| is sending a burst every 5 seconds, then you can grab
| every 5 second occurrence of a signal at that frequency
| and make a reasonable assumption that all that data is
| from the same radio.
|
| You can filter for all the frequencies that show up
| regularly, then you differentiate by signal strength -
| group occurrences of the same frequency into similar dB
| buckets, then correlate the changes based on new fixed
| positions within the car, and run some calculations on
| changes in signal strength to obtain a dB to distance
| calculation. The strength to distance calculation can be
| estimated by making some assumptions about the type of
| radio you're looking for - a simple cellular module is
| going to be different than a WiFi repeater, or a wireless
| fob, or a bluetooth tracker.
|
| From the fixed points within your car, you can tie one
| end of a piece of yarn to where the sensor was affixed,
| and the length of the yarn should correlate to your dB to
| distance estimate for that position, and with 2-3 or even
| 4-5 threads you'd be able to group their loose ends
| together to get a rough physical indication of exactly
| where the radio transmission is coming from.
|
| The grouping won't be exact, but it'll literally point in
| the right direction, and if the threads are too long, or
| pointing to something buried in the chassis or whatnot,
| then you can reduce the lengths of your yarns by the same
| percentage of reduction and they'll be "pointing" at
| wherever the radio source is.
|
| You're going to get a general location, like "under the
| dashboard" or "in the glovebox" or "somewhere under the
| spare in the trunk", not a millimeter precise location.
| You could probably vibecode a way of processing the data
| in a browser, and use a bunch of splats and AI modeling
| of your car and so forth to get a very precise and useful
| pinpoint of a device with a fancy UI, but you can just
| use a spreadsheet and text files of logged signal
| records, the process isn't super difficult.
| jmward01 wrote:
| Anyone know of reviewers that do this for cars? I just
| don't see privacy focused reviews on basically anything.
| We have reviews about how reparable things are and how
| good/bad the features are but rarely do I see privacy
| mentioned or in-depth analysis of TOS and the like to
| give buyers a sense of how good/bad cars and other
| devices are. Does everyone just assume it is terrible and
| go on or is there some reason this isn't a top level item
| for journalists to evaluate?
| roarcher wrote:
| On some cars you can also unplug whatever radio/modem doodad
| is responsible for phoning home. I have a Ford Maverick and
| disconnected the "telemetry module" which resides under the
| transmission hump by the front passenger seat.
|
| I no longer receive updates to the infotainment system and I
| can't unlock the doors with my phone, but I also don't have
| the dealer emailing me service ads with my exact current
| mileage and tire pressure.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| A data connection still has tangible benefits e.g. remotely
| starting the AC/heating, live status of chargers / route
| planning, online map updates, eCall etc
| jmward01 wrote:
| If only I could trust that is all it did. I want 'airplane
| mode' for my vehicle. I turn my phone to 'airplane' mode all
| the time specifically because I don't want to give them
| access to where I am and all the other telemetry. I want
| incredibly strong protections that their network access isn't
| abused. Tools like logging all connections by application and
| the ability to block anything. Blocking when these tools can
| use the network (only when I have actively let them because I
| am actively using it for example) and opt-out by default with
| independent third party auditing of everything they release
| so I can build trust. I want real guarantees with real
| consequences when they are broken. I want devices to be mine,
| not theirs. Right now it is like someone has keys to my house
| and regularly comes in and installs hidden cameras without my
| permission. It is evil and people should go to jail for it.
| Unfortunately though, right now I have 100% trust that they
| will abuse their position which means I see every 'feature'
| that connects in any way as a major negative and not a
| positive. It is deeply unfortunate because I want to enjoy
| the things I pay for instead of treating them like the enemy
| that they currently are.
| pnw wrote:
| Exactly. If the last decade has shown us anything, consumers
| will always opt for the convenience features and cost far
| ahead of privacy concerns. I can't think of many successful
| consumer products with privacy as their key selling point,
| despite how many times it shows up here. Apple products
| maybe, but privacy is listed as feature #6 of the 7 features
| highlighted halfway down the page on
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/
| uyzstvqs wrote:
| Privacy, and I don't need my car to be a driving collection of
| CVEs 10-20 years from now, because of some built-in modem
| that's ancient by then.
| dreamcompiler wrote:
| Looks like it's Europe-only.
| swiftcoder wrote:
| I want one. What will it cost?
| throwup238 wrote:
| From the FAQ at the bottom of the page:
|
| _> Prices for a TC2 start at EUR44.500 excluding taxes
| (EUR53.854 including 21% btw /Dutch tax)_
|
| Street legal in Europe but not the US, up to 300km range.
| swiftcoder wrote:
| Hah. That 21% tax (which will surely also be the case here)
| is a killer.
| RubenvanE wrote:
| Some specs about the car:
|
| - 31.5kWh
|
| - 630kg
|
| - 300km (186mi) range
|
| This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc
| nine_k wrote:
| 300 km with an extra battery. 200 km and 590 kg with a smaller
| one. It's about weight of a Lotus Elan, a bit heavier than a
| Fiat 500.
| rancor wrote:
| Pros: Proper EV motor scream. Cons: 56HP.
| realo wrote:
| Ah... that could explain the apparent absence of airbags.
| dylan604 wrote:
| haha, however, just because you can't move very fast
| doesn't mean something else moving fast won't hit you.
| mywittyname wrote:
| Yeah, the unfortunate reality with EVs is power and weight
| are tightly correlated, since the power output is limited by
| the batteries, and more battery capacity generally means more
| power output.
| limitedfrom wrote:
| 186 mi for 31.5 kWh would indicate nearly 200 mpge which is
| quite impressive.
| pornel wrote:
| Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It
| takes _2.7_ hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add
| 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.
| mbesto wrote:
| Take a look at the video the car driving. I don't think
| people who buy this are worried about range anxiety.
| nine_k wrote:
| I like the general design very much. And additionally the fact
| that it is small, lightweight, and not imposing, while apparently
| being a fast car.
|
| Except for one thing: the brushed metal dashboard. I can imagine
| how terribly it's going to reflect the sun from behind when the
| roof is folded. I hope they can offer a tasteful matte dark
| version.
|
| As of the lack of bells and whistles, the dashboard seems to be
| prepared for being customized. I suppose it's not a cheap car, so
| a customization job is not going to ruin the buyer's finances. I
| can imagine that a custom radio with protected but visible vacuum
| tubes could appeal to some buyers.
| jonah wrote:
| That dash stood out to me as well. Would definitely want wood
| or leather or a darker matte metal.
| convolvatron wrote:
| I'm assuming that its stainless. it were were aggressive
| about it, it would take a patina for anything from grey to
| black. stainless also develops a really wide variety of
| colors if you heat treat it in an oven with good temperature
| control. there a bronze-like color that's nice, and also a
| blue.
|
| I'm amused to see that so many cybertrucks have been powder
| coated or wrapped in vinyl.
| rbanffy wrote:
| > I'm amused to see that so many cybertrucks have been
| powder coated or wrapped in vinyl.
|
| There are car enthusiasts and Cubertruck owners. There is
| little overlap between these two sets.
| mulmen wrote:
| I don't understand. Vinyl wrapping cars is a normal thing
| for car people. What's the difference?
| nine_k wrote:
| One of the key design points of the Cyvertruck was that
| brutalist "slab of shiny steel" look.
|
| Apparently owners often want a bit more manicured looks.
| djoldman wrote:
| Some choice quotes:
|
| > Prices for a TC2 start at EUR44.500 excluding taxes (EUR53.854
| including 21% btw/Dutch tax).
|
| > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can
| therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt
| those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco
| and Norway.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like
| the small spartan EV that we really need.
| wongarsu wrote:
| It very much looks like it's designed to be your
| second/third/tenth car. Not as impractical as a daily driver
| as most sports cars, but you won't use it for a trip to Ikea
| either
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| In terms of not-yet-shipping not-online vehicles, we
| already have the Slate. So this looks to be a good
| compliment, for a moderately-wealthy two car household.
| piltdownman wrote:
| For something of the value proposition of an Mazda MX5 with
| Nissan Figaro styling, I mean it's not terribly far off the
| mark. If you want the average Top Gear readers budget choice,
| the Renault 5 with 255 miles of WLTP range is about EUR32-34k
| as an 'everyman' Supermini without serious compromises in any
| particular area.
|
| Short of getting some sub-BYD CDM manufacturer to compete
| directly, there's not much scope out there to cut much
| further than that for an acceptable 2+2 QOL car in 2025.
| Mainly I can see the likes of Dacia cutting corners in the
| interior to crew-cab standard and releasing a low-tide mark
| EV like their proposed 'Hipster'.
|
| Dacia has stated that the target price for the entry-level
| Hipster is planned at around EUR12-15k - undercutting Dacia's
| most affordable electric model, the Spring, with an entry RRP
| of around EUR18,000 euros.
|
| https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/dacia-hipster-previews-
| dir...
| rtaylorgarlock wrote:
| 1) Cool, i hope they get lots of orders. 2) We're not past the
| 'zero emissions' rhetoric? I get evals 'at the tailpipe,' yet i
| think we've come past that line of thinking (e.g. Fairphone's
| Cameroon country outline inside the phone, behind the battery
| cover) 3) Will be interesting to compare results to other cars,
| e.g. Slate, which approach a similar need/desire from a
| remarkably different angle.
| jljljl wrote:
| What's the issue with the zero emissions rhetoric?
| burkaman wrote:
| I guess the complaint is that electricity production is not
| zero emissions in most of the world, so it could be
| considered misleading.
|
| I don't think it makes sense, ICE vehicle emission ratings
| have never included the drilling, refining, and
| transportation of fuel, and the alternative is for every
| vehicle to just advertise "unknown emissions" because it's
| impossible for the manufacturer to know anything beyond what
| the vehicle itself produces.
| nluken wrote:
| Looks a little like a first gen Daihatsu Copen, and I mean that
| as a complement:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Copen#First_generatio...
| mywittyname wrote:
| I'd call it a Porsche 356 Speedster homage. But the Copen
| mostly likely drew its inspiration from the 356 as well.
|
| The 54HP is right about what a 356 would have made with the
| larger engines, and the price with VAT is inflation-adjusted,
| roughly identical as well.
| nkko wrote:
| Too cute for the price tag. But seriously bad design choice of
| having a plug port in the trunk. Looks like you could close it
| and lock it, but still.
| andy99 wrote:
| Hello Carice
| thatwasunusual wrote:
| > Hello, Clarice...
|
| Only thing that goes on my head, but I like the car. :)
| fortran77 wrote:
| I like the fact that it looks like a "classic" car. I was very
| disappointed when the electric Mustang looked like any other
| electric car and not like a classic Mustang.
| jacquesm wrote:
| Nice, a cross between the 356 and the Copen. Price is ~55000
| Euros including taxes. They're Dutch, I wonder who is backing
| them, this looks like an expensive thing to develop.
| 6DM wrote:
| I like the design, but I can't see myself owning it beyond having
| it as a hobby vehicle to around town. I've grown far too used to
| a GPS screen, rear camera and an entertainment system (free of
| ads thanks to my streaming subscription).
| rbanffy wrote:
| I have to agree. A car with a digital dashboard an infotainment
| system doesn't need to feel "complicated". I get they want as
| little automation as possible, and I'm fine with giving up on
| lane keeping, adaptive cruise control, forward safety systems,
| and eve a rear camera (I often just use the mirrors anyway),
| but not my music and maps.
| simonbw wrote:
| I actually thought the backup cam was required by law now. I
| wonder how they get around that.
|
| EDIT: Ah, it's not sold for the US market, so that's how.
| okokwhatever wrote:
| The perfect car for someone who doesn't need a car.
| jfkw wrote:
| I would gladly pay extra (in terms of OEM's profit margin) for a
| de-contented EV that aims to stay reliable, offline, and be
| easier to field-repair and upgrade as components improve. Our
| phones are better than any infotainment system. Batteries and
| motors will get better in time.
|
| https://www.slate.auto 's pickup seems to be heading in this
| direction, and now Carice enters in a higher-end market segment.
| If someone does a minivan or other people-hauler configuration
| similarly, I'd be first in line.
| w10-1 wrote:
| Light, open, and hence not crashworthy. I'd hesitate to recommend
| such a sexy way to end one's enduring boredom...
| 6SixTy wrote:
| Not a fan of how this car would work ergonomically. Center
| mounted speedo is annoying and there's zero attempt to prevent
| glare from them. I also can't tell what's going on with all of
| the switches on the passenger's side and the handbreak.
| spiritplumber wrote:
| https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Corvega_analog_coupe
|
| Full Analog System No Electronics!!!! No Computers!!!! 800+
| Horsepower 0 to 60 in .5 sec
| taco_emoji wrote:
| Can I get a non-digital gas car, too?
| vondur wrote:
| I was hoping for a lower price, but it does appear that these are
| not mass produced like most car manufacturers and they do have
| some nice designs on them, which I'm sure adds to the cost.
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