[HN Gopher] HP SitePrint
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HP SitePrint
Author : gjvc
Score : 137 points
Date : 2025-10-22 17:18 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| tech4all wrote:
| Cool! From HP! The robot only costs $1,500 but a two pack of
| extra sharpies for it costs $48,000. Before you can use it, you
| must install 5 petabytes of HP drivers.
| profsummergig wrote:
| Don't give them ideas.
| tacticalturtle wrote:
| Most of the 5 petabytes is a model used to determine if your
| sharpies are counterfeit.
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| They remotely brick your Sharpies even if they are original
| because of a bug in the software
| tguvot wrote:
| do you have sharpie that won't grind down to zero on concrete
| after 3ft ?
| tomovo wrote:
| Not on genuine HP concrete.
| tguvot wrote:
| Hp concrete actually exists
| rpcope1 wrote:
| Hopefully they're using something like a paint pen with a
| roller and not a Sharpie the way you're thinking of it.
| tguvot wrote:
| parent is the one who suggested sharpies.
|
| i'll actually bet on some variety of inkjet/spray as it
| will better deal with surface imperfections and won't wear
| out
| realitysballs wrote:
| Weirdly it turns out to be cheaper/faster than paying a human
| being to do the same thing in use cases where you have large
| concrete slabs with complex walls/casework layout
| lloydjones wrote:
| You beat me to it!
| sidewndr46 wrote:
| Don't forget the complementary installation of Norton Antivirus
| Theodores wrote:
| Joking aside, I don't believe HP developed this product, they
| almost certainly bought the company that makes it.
|
| My hunch?
|
| Seen these things before.
|
| I doubt it has been DRMd to hell yet, and I doubt they upgraded
| to show PC LOAD LETTER at all times, but why did they add this
| to their portfolio?
| juanre wrote:
| I think they did, actually. (I worked at HP for 19 years, and
| I know the guy in their Barcelona site who started it.)
| Fokamul wrote:
| It's cloud based, yep :D
| pugworthy wrote:
| HP gets a lot of crap for home printer quality and ink DRM, but
| does still have some neat products like this.
|
| The industrial printers for example, especially the PageWide Web
| Press line are impressive. The T1100 is a huge beast.
|
| Then there are the life science products that can do precision
| dispensing of fluids for life sciences and drug discovery. Some
| of them also do individual single live cell dispensing.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| (1) As much as people complain, home inkjet printers do a
| remarkable job of printing high quality art reproductions and
| photos at low cost relative to alternatives, (Sure offset litho
| is cheaper... if you are running 10,000 prints)
|
| (2) The key to this using quality materials. You've got to use
| good coated paper (which is relatively expensive.). You can
| mostly trust OEM ink although I found low-end EcoTank printers
| use ink that fades in six months although the higher end models
| like the ET-8550 are better. Look at forums and you will find
| many versions of "I was trying to print borderless and all I
| got was this inksplosion" and the common denominator is third
| party inks. There could be testing of third party inks that
| proves they are comparable to or even superior too the OEM
| links but as it is there is no testing because... they target a
| consumer who doesn't care.
| curiousgal wrote:
| It's not about the technology itself, it's about everything
| that surrounds it, the software, the commercial side. I will
| go out of my way to avoid HP.
| crote wrote:
| The fundamental problem with home inkjet printing is that
| people just _don 't print that much_.
|
| The average home user probably wants to print a set of 10
| holiday pictures once a year. This means that every time they
| want to print those ink cartridges will be dried out and have
| clogged print heads - so they have to buy an expensive set of
| new cartridges to replace their barely-used ones.
|
| It is why laser printing is so often suggested for home
| users: you can let a printer rot for several years and still
| reliably print a couple of dozen pages when you finally need
| it again. The downside is that they do a rather poor job at
| printing photos so now there are even _fewer_ reasons to use
| it, and you only need it once every couple of years to print
| out a contract to sign or something.
|
| I've personally given up on owning printers. They don't make
| the rock-solid HP / Brother workhorses anymore, and I can't
| be bothered to deal with all the proprietary "smart" crap
| they are pushing these days. If I want something printed,
| I'll just go to the local library.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| I'd agree the average person who wants some photo prints is
| better off just sending the job out to Wal-Mart, some
| pharmacy, shutterfly or one of many competitors.
|
| When I got a 'free' inkjet printer I realized I couldn't
| just make 10 anime prints and come back six monhths later
| and make 10 more so I committed to print something every
| day which I did for maybe 2.5 years and it turned out to be
| quite an adventure. To feed that machine I got serious
| about taking photographs, when that sucked up all my time I
| fell out of the printing habit!
|
| See https://www.behance.net/gallery/232344867/Life-is-
| Better-Wit...
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| TBH my LaserJet 451dn died recently and I bought brother colour
| 3270cdw. The quality of colours is awful, almost unbearable. I
| remember I could print a photo with HP but the Brother fails
| that task spectacularly for some reason - quickly colours go to
| overdrive and bleed
| PaulHoule wrote:
| In the 1980s there were "turtle graphics" robots if LOGO wasn't
| real enough for you,
| bitwize wrote:
| The Logo Turtle was originally a robot. The on-screen turtle
| was added later to make Logo and its pedagogy economical for
| the computers schools were likely to have (a _single_ Apple II
| per classroom, if that).
| ianbicking wrote:
| I remembered hearing a podcast about a startup robotics company
| doing the same thing; a little search and they actually have a
| comparison page between their product and HP's:
|
| https://www.dustyrobotics.com/compare/fieldprinter-vs-sitepr...
| qingcharles wrote:
| Thank you. I wondered immediately on seeing this if HP had just
| acquired those guys.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| So Dusty is for SMBs and SitePrint is for clueless
| Corporations, like Oracle.
| 1970-01-01 wrote:
| Take your pick:
|
| If you give it a big job, it freezes halfway and just spins its
| wheels as fast as it can until you unplug it.
|
| It refuses to paint yellow lines when it's out of blue paint.
|
| It asks you for feedback after doing any and every job.
|
| It doesn't have good Linux support.
|
| It has no off button. The only modes are printing, standby at
| half power, or unplugged.
|
| When you want to just print a small blue square on the floor, it
| makes xxxjuukkktsssssruuuuukkkttt sounds for 5 minutes, pauses
| for another 2, zooms at max speed to the location on the floor,
| pauses for 10 seconds, and begins doing the actual job it was
| designed to do, but does it in a shade of blueish brown.
| sfortis wrote:
| + If your subscription expires while it's printing, it freezes
| and you have to carry it back home.
| parl_match wrote:
| epic slashdot post fellow redditor. here, have this thinkgeek
| tshirt that says "no i will not fix your printer". le epic
| Fokamul wrote:
| ...printing is cloud based and subscription only...
|
| Edit: (I was joking and it's really cloud based, omfg)
| paranoidrobot wrote:
| It gets half-way through the job, but runs out of paint. You
| load the new paint but instead of continuing, it fills the
| entire site with a big test print that uses 10% of the paint.
|
| Randomly, it'll run a head cleaning cycle that involves
| spraying large amounts of paint into the neighbour's driveway
| before cleaning itself on their lawn.
| rcleveng wrote:
| That sounds just like my HP printer at home, I wonder if it's
| the same internals.
|
| Just need to add that after being on for a day you get a blue
| screen with some hex numbers on it.
|
| If it's been on for less than a day, you have to power cycle it
| for it to connect to apple devices.
|
| Finally if you power cycle it, it complains about being power
| cycled incorrectly and does nothing for 10 minutes.
| ge96 wrote:
| I wonder if this is in collaboration with this group
|
| This one called Dusty
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pq2ZG19hGg
|
| Oh nice someone else mentioned it
| hollowturtle wrote:
| Don't forget to subscribe for monthly Ink Cartridges for your
| robot XD
| slater wrote:
| Anyone know what this thing does...?
| joezydeco wrote:
| It reads construction blueprints and prints the necessary lines
| on the floor. Workers use the lines to assist with building
| walls, drilling holes, all the stuff that would need careful
| measurement before executing.
| jondiggsit wrote:
| As a high-end residential GC, I'm very interested in this
| product. We have incorporated Leica Totalstation and BLK360 into
| our projects. It assists confirming layouts, as-built conditions,
| and communicating with design professionals working remotely.
| realitysballs wrote:
| We find it pencils out on jobs with large OH /pan deck slabs or
| SOGs over 12000SF
| smw wrote:
| What are the costs like on those scanners? They look amazing!
| MrMorden wrote:
| It's easy enough to add Leica cameras to your Leica Geosystems
| deployment, but then you need to do geotechncial work in-house
| so that you can complete the Leica trifecta.
| mmooss wrote:
| What is the value to you of making the SitePrint automated
| (robotic)? Would it take that much human time to push one of
| these around? Is it precision?
| matt_lo wrote:
| Color ink sold separately
| guluarte wrote:
| Robot: $1,500
|
| Refills: $5,000
| silver911r wrote:
| I see some similarities in design here.
|
| https://www.rvpartscountry.com/32326-thetford.html
| seemaze wrote:
| As a specialized commercial contractor and former large format
| printer, I won't touch HP equipment with 10 ft. pole saw..
| teeray wrote:
| I can only see this getting used by very large scale contractors.
| Framers for your standard house are probably just going to keep
| using chalk lines (maybe a laser line too these days). "Precision
| up to +/- 1/32 inch" really isn't necessary in framing.
| brudgers wrote:
| Some small builders probably will because it will make business
| sense for their specific business.
|
| And others will because some builders are as attracted to gee-
| whiz its new and shiny as in any other business.
| Groxx wrote:
| agreed, though I can see it making some sense in those specific
| situations, e.g.:
|
| > _PCL reduces cost by 86% on interior curved lines layout at
| Vancouver airport_
|
| for random bits of complicated-shape fashion in a giant flat
| open area, I can see how it could almost immediately pay for
| itself.
|
| that said... at that point it's probably competing with "we put
| a projector on the ceiling for a day, and went over the lines
| with chalk". which is quite cheap.
| jumpkick wrote:
| I wonder how it avoids pipes stubbed up through the slab, or
| electrical EMT, etc. or how it avoids mistakes made during the
| rough-in.
|
| What if the plumber missed a drain or supply by an inch? Guessing
| the robot doesn't adjust its outline. I.e. if a sewer stub is
| wrong by a few inches, the wall needs to be moved to fit the
| toilet, or the slab needs to be busted up and the sewer line
| relocated.
|
| I suppose if it gets some of this wrong, it'll be obvious, and a
| human can correct it.
| realitysballs wrote:
| You have adjusts due to its detectors and it has a prism on it
| and is being continuously tracked by a total station.
|
| It can correct course due to deviations in floor surface or
| obstructions pretty well.
| brudgers wrote:
| The concern is not the course, but the ability to adjust a
| layout due to deviations from the plan due to normal
| construction errors.
|
| For example a pipe might not be in the location shown on plan
| for many reasons ranging from simple human error to a delta
| between the plan location when the pipe was layed and the
| time the robot got its data...keep in mind that when the pipe
| went in there was only dirt, not anything to accept ink.
| uqual wrote:
| And it's good to catch that error ASAP.
|
| But at that point it's back to engineering to figure out
| what to do (leave the pipe where it is and adjust around it
| _or_ move the pipe - possibly cutting concrete and perhaps
| untensioning/retensioning post-tensioned cables at
| substantial delay/cost) or move the piece of equipment that
| the penetration is serving.
|
| One nice thing about automation like this is that the "as
| built" plans are more likely to be accurate because the
| only way to get "the computer" and "the robot" to stop
| squawking is to change the plans they are operating off of.
|
| If this can't handle dirt surfaces, future
| generations/models probably will if there's demand. Perhaps
| such models would use spray paint/stencils or driving pins
| into the ground for marking purposes (or something more
| practical - I'm a software guy and this sounds like a
| hardware problem!).
|
| My experience is with small residential builds but I would
| hope on large projects the location of each "unmovable"
| pipe/conduit etc that will end up penetrating a slab is
| already carefully verified before the next step is taken
| (such as placing concrete). Hopefully this is done with a
| total station rather than guys with chalk lines and tape
| measures. But a solution like this could reduce manual
| checking mistakes (of course, it's less likely to result in
| an experienced subcontractor noticing that the plan must be
| wrong because there's no reason for a conduit for 1KV
| electrical cables to come up 2cm away from a toilet trap in
| a multi-stall public bathroom - GIGO).
| brudgers wrote:
| _each "unmovable" pipe/conduit etc that will end up
| penetrating a slab is already carefully verified before
| the next step is taken (such as placing concrete)_
|
| My experience is as an architect.
|
| The CAD file isn't the building no matter how much
| everyone might wish it were.
|
| Even if the plans were the building odds of everybody
| using the same plan revision all the time is just about
| zero.
|
| And most of the time, nobody is gonna pay for a super
| accurate as-built BIM. Because the point of the exercise
| is a certificate of occupancy.
| brudgers wrote:
| I think the market is more towards industrial scale sites like
| data centers and Amazon warehouses and factories where
| equipment installation is happening right behind JIT layout.
|
| Places where high precision matters and services aren't
| connected to the endpoint at the slab. That's not most
| construction because progressive refinement is how most things
| are built.
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| Realistically, if the plumber missed a drain or supply by an
| inch, it's probably fine to just move the wall by a few
| inches...but it ought to go back to engineering to verify
| that's so, and engineering can redraw the prints for the robot.
|
| It's almost certainly not the layout guy's job to decide that
| the bathroom can be 3" larger than it was and the lobby 3"
| smaller.
|
| I deal with this relatively often in a machining context -
| People complain that they'd rather just make simple parts on
| the Bridgeport manual mill rather than a CNC, because they can
| adjust on the fly with the manual mill but have to get the CAD
| changed so that CAM can adapt to the modifications. But when
| they make it manually, and a year later we need to ship out a
| replacement part or develop an ECO... if you did it by updating
| the CAD then the replacement part will fit. If you just
| freehanded it, the part will not fit.
| hmartin wrote:
| Anyone know of a small DIY equivalent for e.g. room sized layout?
| nevi-me wrote:
| I could have benefited from this in the construction of our
| house. Riddled with inaccuracies, the engineer signed off on the
| foundations, but we found out when the walls were up that the
| builders used the internal dimensions as exterior dimensions. So
| our house is smaller by ~250mm on each side.
|
| We had to make so many compromises and wastages as a result.
| Bathrooms now smaller if we want to keep other rooms the same,
| bathtubs couldn't fit, aw man.
|
| Then when the house went up to 2nd and 3rd levels, the staircase
| was narrow and wasn't connecting between the levels. That alone
| delayed us by 3 months as we had to get the architect to build a
| 3D model of the affected area so we could figure it out. We have
| to hoist furniture up through balconies as it can't fit through
| the stairs.
|
| I think having some machinery that minimises human error would be
| very helpful.
| muppetman wrote:
| Ok and I thought having our inground pool installed crooked was
| bad. Where you able to get any legal/financial clawbacks
| because of all the hassle?
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| Translating for folks not natively familiar with millimeters -
| this is 25cm, or about ~10 inches.
|
| Doesn't sound like a lot, but you're losing a foot and a half
| across a dimension of a house. That's very easily into the
| "Bathtub doesn't fit" territory.
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| It's probably the thickness of the foundation wall.
| TheSoftwareGuy wrote:
| That's awful. I hope you were able to recover damages from the
| builders
| asibahi wrote:
| I am an architect who worked as a contractor and as a
| consultant and I made an account here just to comment on this.
|
| When you found out the builders did that, what you should have
| done is stopped the work and have them correct their mistake on
| their own dime. This is an unforgivable mistake and a team of
| professional should never make something like that.
|
| Obviously I am not in your shoes, but this is insane to me. Any
| supervisor or consultant or surveyor visiting the site
| should've caught that.
| jvanderbot wrote:
| This seems like the just-world response. But how can one
| force this? If they just say "No" you end up taking them to
| court and delaying the construction of your house. You
| endanger the contracts for downstream work.
|
| I had a landscaper screw up just about everything they could
| building a retaining wall, and they couldn't even get me an
| extra bag of grass seed after the fact.
| kiddico wrote:
| Surely, a delayed house is better than a house built
| incorrectly, no?
| ghurtado wrote:
| Something something Nintendo video games....
| segmondy wrote:
| so what? delay it. as you see the house is messed up,
| that's going to be an issue when it's time to sell. many
| people will notice a very narrow stairwell or tiny
| bathrooms. when we were house shopping there were many
| houses we passed because the stairs were too narrow, or too
| steep or the bathroom was tiny or some room was so tiny it
| didn't qualify as a bedroom in our mind or the ceilings
| were too low. all those tiny flaws cost the seller serious
| money and reduced the number of buyers.
| nevi-me wrote:
| To add more context, the staircase is within local
| building standards minimums. Our architect at least was
| able to enforce that.
|
| The bathrooms have slightly smaller tubs, though we
| scratched one of the larger tubs while trying to fit it
| in, and the supplier wouldn't accept it. It's still in
| our garage lol.
|
| We were building on a contract where we paid for material
| at cost, and the contractor made their fee on the labour.
| They were inexperienced, I'd obviously never use them nor
| recommend them. We made them pay for most of the damages
| that we could quantify, and for things like crooked
| walls/non-90deg corners we couldn't really do much.
|
| To an untrained eye, the house is not bad, but we know
| where all the mistakes are.
| pjerem wrote:
| Depends on the country. In France, and I think in Europe,
| you have 4 (IIRC) legally mandated visits during the
| construction. At each one of those visits, you have the
| right to suspend the next payment (you pay a legally
| mandated percentage of the house after each one of those
| visits).
|
| I also had measurements issues and a contractor that tried
| to force it to me. I just said I will not pay until it's
| fixed. The next week everything was fixed.
| jedberg wrote:
| You tell the inspector. Point out that the hallway is 25cm
| short of code. I'm assuming since they are using metric
| they aren't in the US, but at least here the contractor
| can't say no the inspector without losing their license.
| nevi-me wrote:
| We discovered/noticed this when the exterior walls were 2
| meters high. They had to move around interior walls but that
| didn't help much.
|
| My wife and I concluded that we got what we paid for, and
| you're right that in hindsight we should have taken legal
| action against the contractor. I don't know how breaking down
| the whole exterior of a house to fix it down to the
| foundation would feel though. At some point we thought of
| selling the partially completed structure.
| MrMorden wrote:
| > I don't know how breaking down the whole exterior of a
| house to fix it down to the foundation would feel though.
|
| Not your problem.
| mattmaroon wrote:
| Well, it definitely is. Now you've probably got to wait
| for a lawsuit to settle and then the work to be redone.
| Even in the absolute best case, this puts the project
| behind by months, and that's if they don't contest it.
| kbar13 wrote:
| yes but a built house is a lifelong thing. multiple
| decades. a few months here is not worth decades of pain
| tw04 wrote:
| Honestly from what you're describing it should not have
| been that big of an issue. Exterior walls and trusses are
| very easily taken down and put back up again.
|
| The foundation would be a pain in the ass but ultimately,
| as others have stated, that's kind of not your problem.
| dom96 wrote:
| Did you consider adding some buffer to your plan's measurements
| to account for exactly these kinds of screw ups?
| sidewndr46 wrote:
| Did you use a contractor for this build? The neighbors of my
| parents ran into this, but somehow the foundation team added
| around a foot in all dimensions. The owner of the property
| refused to accept anything other than a new foundation. The
| contractor refused and from what my Dad told me the home owner
| was forced to sell to the contractor by the courts as their
| recourse.
|
| This story also seems a litle off unless the contractor didn't
| allow inspection. It'd be found in 10 seconds with a single
| usage of a tape measure.
| nevi-me wrote:
| We used a contractor yes. Oddly, the civil engineer signed
| off on the foundations. I think what happened is that the
| foundations might have been correct, but when they started
| laying bricks, they used the internal dimensions.
|
| The foundation is normally 500-600mm wide.
|
| Another funny story is that we have a concrete column in the
| living room that was meant to be 250mm x 250mm. The
| subcontractor decided to box it in and pour it before we came
| to inspect. He made it 450mm x 450mm.
|
| So we have this giant concrete thing in the passage.
|
| If some of it wasn't as embarrassing, I'd blog about it with
| photos.
| simlevesque wrote:
| ## How it works ### CAD preparation 1. You need a
| 2D CAD file. If you have a 3D model, convert it into a 2D .dxf
| CAD file. 2. Insert additional printing information and
| instructions and use the HP Plug-in to get a robot-ready file.
| 3. Save the 2D .dxf CAD file into the cloud. Maintain version
| control and share revisions with field operators. ###
| Site Preparations 1. Clear layout area as for manual
| layout. No need for a broom-swept floor. 2. Make sure
| that control points used for Robotic Total Station setup are
| accurately marked. The layout is as accurate as the control
| points. ### Solution setup 1. Set up the Robotic
| Total Station and shoot the control points. 2. Lock the
| Robotic Total Station to the robot tracking prism. 3.
| Connect the Robotic Total Station wirelessly to HP SitePrint
| through the user interface (tablet, phone, laptop, etc.).
| ### Job execution 1. Open the CAD file on the control
| panel, select the print area, and submit the job. 2.
| Maintain a line of sight between the robot tracking prism and the
| Robotic Total Station. 3. Choose between different inks
| for different types of layouts. 4. The robot avoids
| collisions with obstacles. 5. HP SitePrint is robust
| enough to work on rough and bumpy surfaces. ### End-to-
| End management 1. HP SitePrint cloud allows sharing of
| the latest CAD files with all stakeholders, so you can monitor
| job progress from the office and manage accounting reports.
| saltcured wrote:
| I was almost expecting to see a 3D printer with very expensive
| cement cartridges.
| airtonix wrote:
| Not sure what the point of this is.
|
| 3d printed houses are here and make this irrelevant
| rkagerer wrote:
| I saw the title and hoped someone had finally built a tool that
| can correctly print websites with fidelity.
| bitwize wrote:
| Logo Turtle: Enterprise Edition.
|
| Can only be used with special DRM'd HP pencils. Must download and
| register with the app after it draws 25m of lines to continue
| use.
| jonplackett wrote:
| Yeah but how much does the ink cost...
| junaru wrote:
| From the "How HP SitePrint works" video:
|
| > Uploading to HP SitePrint _Cloud_
|
| No thanks.
| Hackbraten wrote:
| I read the marketing blurb twice but still have no idea what this
| is for.
|
| It draws on the floor for construction projects? Why?
|
| Either there's no building or there's a building. If there's no
| building, then where does it draw on? If the building is already
| there, then what's the drawing for?
| crote wrote:
| It's for the phase where there is _part_ of a building.
| Specifically, when your building looks like [0] - so basically
| just an empty concrete shell.
|
| With a lot of commercial buildings it is up to the tenant to
| install the interior walls, as everyone will have slightly
| different requirements. The Twin Towers were a great example of
| this: all of the structural support was done in the exterior
| walls and the center core, so you had a huge empty space you
| could fill in however you wanted.
|
| The robot draws on the bare concrete floor, so all the
| carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and hvac technicians will
| install their stuff in the right place. Turns out having to
| rework your plans because someone installed a big expensive
| pipe in the wrong place is a _huge_ hassle...
|
| [0]:
| https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/09/64/72/08/1000_F_964720843_sLWAm...
| hoistbypetard wrote:
| This looks like a physical manifestation of a the "Logo"
| environment we had in our elementary school computer lab.
|
| https://logothings.github.io/logothings/AppleLogo.html
| Karliss wrote:
| Drawing turtle bots have a history almost as long as Logo
| https://blog.adafruit.com/2018/05/03/the-history-of-turtle-b...
| Lammy wrote:
| The landing page and FAQ heavily imply that HP's cloud service is
| the only way to control the thing. Spec sheet shows the robot as
| having "Connectivity: Bluetooth, 4G, WiFi", so it can connect to
| the cell network directly:
| https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf.aspx/c08982823.pdf
|
| Landing page sez "How HP SitePrint works: Use the HP plugin to
| get a robot-ready file ... Save the 2D .dxf file into the cloud".
| FAQ agrees, under "How do I control the robotic layout solution?"
| https://www.hp.com/us-en/printers/site-print/layout-robot/fa...
|
| If HP cloud is the only way, is there a Privacy Policy for this?
| Would HP store the DXF beyond the time the layout gets uploaded
| and the robot finishes printing? Are they storing data from other
| sensors? Data from RTS? If they are storing anything, are they
| also selling them, or selling conclusions drawn from them?
| reaperducer wrote:
| PC LOAD LUMBER
| ghshephard wrote:
| About 20 years ago I was working in IT, and I was responsible for
| the physical build out (from a shell) of 599 North Mathilda,
| Sunnyvale - The foundations and outer walls/roof were up - but
| nothing inside.
|
| I had responsibility (working with consultants who did this for a
| living) to work with the project manager, and architect/GC. All
| of the datacenters (back when companies put data-centers in their
| buildings), IDFs, MDFs. The MDF in particular was complex as it
| combined the floors IDF + the buildings MDF/telco connections,
| punchdowns, and a massive Nortel Option51c set of cabinets. We
| carefully laid out the room - measuring the minimal possible
| distance for cable techs to get in between the racks. Everything
| was designed down to the 1/4" in the room.
|
| I showed up (mostly randomly) with a tape measure during
| construction - internal walls were up - and they were off by
| almost 14" - which would have made the internals almost unusable
| for their original purpose. They had to tear down their framing,
| pull everything out - thankfully before any electrics/racks/hvac
| had been put in place.
|
| Having something like this would have greatly reduced that
| possibility. Bet they end up on every site (if they aren't
| already).
| jedberg wrote:
| Hah, I briefly worked in that building! Never dealt with the
| MDF/IDF though, was just doing software at that point.
| brcmthrowaway wrote:
| Just use a drone with a laser
| Krasnol wrote:
| After my professional experience with their printers, I won't
| touch anything coming from that company ever again.
|
| I can very well imagine how they can build in massive amounts of
| new enshitification methods to make you pay even more.
| Fokamul wrote:
| HP lol, yeah sure. I wouldn't touch anything HP with 100m long
| pole.
|
| I imagine soon they could implement something like this...
|
| "Robot error, you've reached wear & tear limit on your left
| wheel: 1 mile. Please buy a new wheel from HP shop, Price: $2999"
|
| "Robot error, looks like your new wheel is not compatible with
| your old right wheel. Please buy a new right wheel..."
|
| "Robot error, you've reached recharge limit of 50 cycles, on your
| internal robot battery..."
| mikeiz404 wrote:
| > Enjoy a pay as you go model... No matter how big or small your
| business is. HP SitePrint has bundled a comprehensive support
| contract into a _pay as you go usage rate_ , so you only pay for
| what you use.
|
| It sounds like HP is continuing to go the subscription route to
| use one of these "printers".
| joezydeco wrote:
| It's a workable solution to a large problem with these devices.
| Do you spend $75,000* on one of these when you only use it once
| a week or once a month?
|
| (* just a wild ass guess. I have no idea what this thing costs)
| mikebonnell wrote:
| Gotta love /s how inconsistent they are with punctuations.
| paranoidrobot wrote:
| It's really amazing to see how far HP has fallen. They used to
| make brilliant printers that were top-quality, easy to service,
| and overall met the whole "Just Works" thing.
|
| Then some time in the late 90s/early 2000s they let the bean
| counters at it, and they've become the poster child of terrible
| product design optimised to extract the maximum revenue at all
| costs from customers.
|
| I honestly don't care how revolutionary or awesome a product is -
| if it's from HP I'm staying away, and would recommend everyone
| else to do so. The company deserves to die.
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