[HN Gopher] The Fourth Quadrant of Knowledge
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       The Fourth Quadrant of Knowledge
        
       Author : speckx
       Score  : 11 points
       Date   : 2025-10-06 12:16 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | narcraft wrote:
       | "'There are unknown unknowns', and while the idea has been around
       | a while, it doesn't seem to have a name."
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       | There is a name for it. It's called "radical ignorance".
        
         | readthenotes1 wrote:
         | Not according to the people that coined the phrase "radical
         | ignorance".
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         | "While there are different types of knowledge and many ways to
         | make it visible, there are also several types of ignorance and
         | different ways in which it might escape the subject's
         | consciousness. For example, while many instances of ignorance
         | fall into the category of _unknown unknowns_ , where an agent
         | is not only ignorant about something but also about her/his
         | state of ignorance, other instances of ignorance fall into the
         | category of ignorance in disguise, where an agent is not only
         | ignorant about her/his ignorance, but also mistakes his/her
         | misbeliefs for valid knowledge, i.e. the ignorance is disguised
         | by misbeliefs accounted as knowledge. _Radical ignorance_ is
         | exactly a phenomenon of this last type. It is very difficult to
         | explore radical ignorance; nevertheless, the so-called Dunning-
         | Kruger effect (Kruger and Dunning 1999) is an example of how
         | such a phenomenon might manifest itself in everyday life. "
         | 
         | One of us experiencing irony...
         | 
         | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342250736_A_working...
        
       | DiscourseFan wrote:
       | There are also things that you don't know that you know--muscle
       | memory, habit, trauma--you know how to walk but you don't
       | remember how you figured it out for the first time.
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       | Cognition is like an iceberg and the unconscious is the part that
       | is under the surface--it has vast and unseen depths.
        
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