[HN Gopher] Chess.com regional pricing: A case study
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       Chess.com regional pricing: A case study
        
       Author : mobeigi
       Score  : 101 points
       Date   : 2025-10-06 12:29 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | schnitzelstoat wrote:
       | It seems like the US has really cheap pricing compared to Western
       | Europe, especially when you consider the poorer countries such as
       | Portugal, Italy, Spain etc.
       | 
       | I wonder if they can get away charging higher prices in these
       | countries because chess is more popular there.
        
         | mobeigi wrote:
         | Great observation! This is definitely something they do. India
         | is a good example where the price should be lower based on
         | purchasing power, but it's been increased since chess is really
         | popular there and they can make more overall profit by
         | increasing the membership price.
        
         | beejiu wrote:
         | Isn't it the case that US prices are without sales tax, whereas
         | all EU/UK prices are inclusive of tax by law?
        
           | dec0dedab0de wrote:
           | Makes me wonder if the author tried different
           | states/providences to see if they have multiple prices per
           | country.
        
             | mobeigi wrote:
             | I checked several states from the US and some from other
             | countries. I did not find any discrepancies within a
             | country but I didn't check every combination of course!
        
             | paxys wrote:
             | In the US at least sales tax is only going to show up on
             | the final checkout page, so this dataset won't have it.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | It looks worse than it is, because:
         | 
         | 1. US prices don't include sales tax.
         | 
         | 2. All prices are shown in USD, which has fallen ~12% in the
         | last few months.
         | 
         | Adjust for both of these and Western Europe gets the plans for
         | 20% cheaper.
        
           | alberto-m wrote:
           | The sales tax is a fair point, but not the currency one.
           | American companies are extremely quick to increase the Euro-
           | denominated prices when this currency becomes weaker; six
           | months would have been more than enough to perform the
           | opposite adjustment. Anyway I can see how selling in the
           | Europe has more friction (legal risks, costs of translations
           | etc.), which must somehow be compensated.
        
         | eps wrote:
         | ... _low_ pricing
        
       | Y_Y wrote:
       | Chess.com is a scam anyway. Rather than comparing the price of
       | Norwegian Chess.cok to Nigerian Chess.con you should be comparing
       | to lichess.org. They have a better app and plenty of people to
       | play with, without any paywalling or marketing or rent-seeking.
        
         | mobeigi wrote:
         | I'm a big fan of lichess! Their developers are also super
         | friendly and helped answer my questions when I was using their
         | open source projects to build a hobby chess app. I donate
         | regularly too.
         | 
         | This post was more about exploring regional pricing using a
         | case study and lichess being free in every country wasn't a
         | good fit :)
        
         | teiferer wrote:
         | > Chess.com is a scam anyway
         | 
         | Is it? How so?
         | 
         | Just because you like an alternative better doesn't make it a
         | scam.
         | 
         | Sure they are turning a profit. But when you pay, you get more
         | features. You don't need to pay if you don't want those
         | features or want them somewhere else.
         | 
         | And they use some money to sponsor events. Titled Tuesday is a
         | staple in the worldwide chess community and most top players
         | play there. Not really yo make money, but to stay relevant
         | (it's great PR to play against Magnus Carlsen and last for more
         | than 20 moves or even make a draw) or to have a constant supply
         | of really good players which keeps you sharp. They provide
         | streaming and top-class commentary for top events. They are
         | also involved in tournament sponsorship.
         | 
         | So, please keep the hate to yourself and don't use "scam"
         | lightly. You don't need to like them or ever use them. But once
         | you come across an actual scam, it would be a pity if you
         | burned that term.
        
           | heap_perms wrote:
           | Chess.com is fundamentally a scam operation masquerading as a
           | premium service. They've built an empire by paywalking
           | features that should be free - and ARE free elsewhere.
           | Lichess proves every single day that unlimited puzzles, deep
           | analysis, opening exploration, and even advanced features
           | like studies and cloud analysis don't need to cost a dime.
           | They're open-source, ad-free, and completely transparent
           | about their finances.
        
             | teiferer wrote:
             | So like Windows then? Cause a free alternative exists?
             | 
             | Or farmers markets? Cause you can just grow all those crops
             | for free yourself.
             | 
             | Or carpenters? Just get some tools, do your home
             | renovations for free.
             | 
             | Or sex workers? Cause you can just go to a bar and get it
             | for free.
             | 
             | Oh, they are differences between the free and the pay
             | options? The occupy different niches in the marketplace?
             | You don't say. Maybe they are not scams after all, just
             | cater to different tastes.
             | 
             | (I also prefer lichess over chess.com but that doesn't mean
             | I think this is a reasonable argument.)
        
               | heap_perms wrote:
               | A better analogy: imagine if someone built a public water
               | fountain, then chess.com set up next to it selling the
               | exact same water for $100/year while limiting the public
               | fountain to 1 cup per day through lobbying. Then they
               | sponsored all the popular hydration influencers to only
               | drink their bottled water on camera.
               | 
               | > Cause you can just go to a bar and get it for free.
               | 
               | Not at the same convenience, can you ;) So they are
               | selling convenience. Chess.com isn't selling convenience
               | - both platforms are websites you access identically.
               | They're not offering portability or solving a
               | distribution problem. They're artificially limiting a
               | digital service that costs them essentially nothing to
               | provide unlimited access to.
        
               | monkey_monkey wrote:
               | How, specifically, are chess.com limiting anyone using
               | lichess?
        
               | teiferer wrote:
               | > that costs them essentially nothing
               | 
               | If you know how to run such a platform for free, then I'm
               | sure you could sell your knowledge for a lot of money.
               | And the company running chess.com would be your highest
               | paying customer.
               | 
               | In other words, I think you are underestimating the
               | effort. Just ask the lichess guys.
        
             | BobAliceInATree wrote:
             | That's still not a scam. They tell you what you're paying
             | for. If you don't like it, then go somewhere else. There's
             | no deception going on.
        
               | hyperhopper wrote:
               | So the hecklers selling overpriced trinkets at every
               | major tourist attraction in Europe or the US aren't
               | scams? I disagree.
        
               | scott_w wrote:
               | Unless they're trying to force them on you, no, they're
               | not. Them being annoying as fuck doesn't mean they're
               | dishonest.
        
             | watwut wrote:
             | None of that makes it a scam. It makes it "more expensive".
        
         | ziofill wrote:
         | I used to subscribe to chess.com and now I only play on
         | lichess, but in all fairness when you subscribe to chess.com
         | you don't just get to play games (that you can do for free),
         | you get all the videos which I used to enjoy but now I got no
         | time.
        
         | zippyman55 wrote:
         | I subscribe to chess.com and they do support a large chess
         | universe of videos and contests. Still, lichess.org has my
         | heart. It's free and the user interface rocks.
        
         | grzaks wrote:
         | I was a Platinum subscriber for a few years. It's definitely
         | not a scam, but in my opinion, they completely fail at
         | detecting cheaters.
         | 
         | It's very frustrating when you lose a lot of games to cheaters.
         | I cancelled my subscription and moved to Lichess -- and
         | although I still lose games, I don't feel like I'm being
         | cheated nearly as often as on Chess.com.
        
       | hartator wrote:
       | > The fnf6_diamond_yearly_022025 SKU is particularly interesting.
       | 
       | It irks me when we use "SKU" for SaaS.
       | 
       | Does SaaS has a limited amount of stock of products?
        
         | GuinansEyebrows wrote:
         | it's just a primary key :)
        
       | derekcheng08 wrote:
       | Fascinatingly deep study. It shows the hyperoptimization needed
       | to build these businesses: from all the work needed to calibrate
       | pricing for each country, to technical safeguards like the
       | fingerprinting. A lot of work had to be done here.
        
       | remedan wrote:
       | > It is the goal of every business to maximise profits. As a
       | business, it is your responsibility to price your products in a
       | way that will yield the most profit.
       | 
       | This is how the article starts, and it might be somewhat off-
       | topic, but I disagree. Plenty of businesses (at least privately
       | held ones) have the goal of simply making enough for the owners
       | to get by. Not to optimize for the absolute maximum. And why
       | should they be responsible to do so?
        
         | emptybits wrote:
         | Agreed. Related: the widely held belief that a corporation's
         | singular goal is to maximize shareholder value.
        
           | andoando wrote:
           | It might not be the case legally, but it is the sole metric
           | that stockholders value.
        
             | eCa wrote:
             | It's not. Plenty of investors might skip investing in arms,
             | petro, cigarettes or betting for moral reasons, even though
             | it might yield more money.
        
         | briandoll wrote:
         | In short, the leadership team has a fiduciary responsibility to
         | their investors. Privately held lifestyle businesses don't, at
         | least not as much.
        
           | lesuorac wrote:
           | But there's no concrete definition of fiduciary!
           | 
           | One can easily argue that by having flat pricing they're
           | doing their fiduciary responsibility because it's setting the
           | company up to succeed in the long run through strong consumer
           | trust.
           | 
           | One can argue that by having regional pricing they're doing
           | their fiduciary responsibility because it's setting the
           | company up to succeed by having success in more markets.
           | 
           | The takeaway from Dodge vs Ford [1] is that not fiduciary
           | duty means dollars at any cost. It's that you need to have a
           | reason that is good for the shareholders. If you don't bother
           | to claim it's good for the shareholders then you're not doing
           | your fiduciary duty.
           | 
           | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
        
             | fluoridation wrote:
             | "Shareholder primacy" implies that at any time a decision
             | needs to be made that puts the interests of shareholders
             | against those of anyone else, the shareholders' should take
             | priority. Since pricing affects revenue and revenue affects
             | shareholders in some way, pricing should be structured such
             | that revenue is maximized. So it doesn't need to be the
             | maximum price possible, but it does need to be whatever
             | price yields the greatest revenue.
        
               | jszymborski wrote:
               | Right, but destroying customer trust will also destroy
               | shareholder interests
        
               | hnthrowaway121 wrote:
               | But surely it's debatable whether increased short term
               | revenue benefiting shareholders this year is better or
               | worse than longer term plays with the chance of higher
               | returns later, or that avoiding some sources of revenue
               | for ethical reasons protects the brand's reputation and
               | image in the market.
        
               | fluoridation wrote:
               | If a decision puts at odds the interests of two different
               | sets of shareholders at two different points in time, why
               | should the interests of the more distant one be given
               | priority over those of the current one?
        
               | lesuorac wrote:
               | Why are they different shareholders?
               | 
               | Trivially, the company can expect that it's current
               | shareholders will hold the stock for a long time and so
               | there's no reason to "juice" the current price at the
               | cost of future price.
               | 
               | But also simply, making long term plans is easily
               | arguable to be in fiduciary duty as a future shareholder
               | would be willing to pay more to the current shareholder
               | for a company in good health.
        
               | fluoridation wrote:
               | >Why are they different shareholders?
               | 
               | My question is about those cases when they're different.
               | 
               | >But also simply, making long term plans is easily
               | arguable to be in fiduciary duty as a future shareholder
               | would be willing to pay more to the current shareholder
               | for a company in good health.
               | 
               | The future is uncertain. The future company may be in
               | worse health even with this forward-thinking decision,
               | for any number of reasons. One in the bag is worth two in
               | the bush and all that. So as long as we consider
               | fiduciary duty a valid priority, how can we argue against
               | immediate extraction of value over all other concerns?
        
               | mattkrause wrote:
               | The timeline (short vs. long ) doesn't matter at all.
               | 
               | The current shareholders have _chosen_ the management
               | (e.g., by voting for the Board) and are consequently
               | agreeing to follow their plan. If you don 't like that
               | plan, you have other remedies: sell your stock, run for a
               | seat on the board, etc.
               | 
               | As you note, the future is uncertain, so courts don't
               | want to be in the business of second-guessing facts and
               | competencies.
        
               | fluoridation wrote:
               | >If you don't like that plan, you have other remedies:
               | sell your stock, run for a seat on the board, etc.
               | 
               | That exact same argument could be used to dismiss the
               | concept of fiduciary duty altogether. "If the company
               | doesn't operate in a matter you like just divest your
               | stock."
        
               | mattkrause wrote:
               | The company doesn't exactly have a fiduciary duty _to
               | you_. It (or more specifically, its agents) have one to
               | the company itself. This can be broken in cases of fraud,
               | illegality, or conflict of interest. For example, in
               | _Caremark_ and _Trans Union_ , the directors were so
               | checked out that they should have known better--you can't
               | sell a company for a random value picked out of a hat.
               | 
               | Beyond that though, the business judgement rule is
               | supposed to protect against second-guessing plausible
               | decisions.
        
               | bee_rider wrote:
               | The current stakeholders probably have an interest in the
               | company not going out of business long term as well.
               | 
               | Anyway, what's the level of evidence required to sue
               | somebody for working against the interest of their
               | shareholder? I'd expect it to be something along the
               | lines of: the CEO knowingly and maliciously worked
               | against their interest... I mean, we can't have made
               | being bad at your job illegal, right?
               | 
               | The market is pretty clever, so there is at least room to
               | believe that any move that plausibly would help long-term
               | company health should also help short-term stock prices,
               | right?
        
               | fluoridation wrote:
               | >The market is pretty clever, so there is at least room
               | to believe that any move that plausibly would help long-
               | term company health should also help short-term stock
               | prices, right?
               | 
               | I don't know about that. Are the most valuable companies
               | those planning for sustainable returns over many decades?
               | It seems to me the stock market is just a hype machine
               | where anything past 5 years just doesn't exist, and CEOs
               | operate accordingly.
        
               | cedilla wrote:
               | There's no reason to speculate about who the future
               | shareholder will be, nor is there any good reason to just
               | assume that favouring short-term gains will favour the
               | current shareholders more. It's also unknown if a
               | shareholder would prefer long-, mid- or short term gains.
               | 
               | Favouring short term gains over anything else is
               | obviously wrong - Amazon could sell AWS for 5 billion
               | dollars tomorrow, but I don't think you'd argue that this
               | would be in their interest at all, even though it's just
               | giving priority to current shareholders over more distant
               | ones.
        
               | fluoridation wrote:
               | >nor is there any good reason to just assume that
               | favouring short-term gains will favour the current
               | shareholders more
               | 
               | The reason is that it's a situation that's bound to
               | happen. If I plan to be invested in a company for a
               | specific length of time (for whatever reason) any
               | decisions that benefit the company beyond that term do
               | not benefit me. If those decisions actually harm the
               | company in the short term then they work against my
               | interests.
               | 
               | >Amazon could sell AWS for 5 billion dollars tomorrow
               | 
               | AWS isn't a product, it's capital. It'd be like a factory
               | selling its machines. You only liquidate capital if you
               | need cash right away, precisely because capital is worth
               | more than its flat monetary value.
        
             | wongarsu wrote:
             | And the VC world is full of examples where shareholder want
             | the company to prioritize marketshare or riding certain
             | hypes or other activities that increase company valuation
             | within the shareholder's investment horizon. In most VC
             | funded startups maximizing revenue would be a violation of
             | your fiduciary duty
        
             | mattkrause wrote:
             | Yes! Dodge v. Ford is a tough one because Ford explicitly
             | announced that he was using _the company 's_ money to
             | advance _his own_ philanthropic aim. That 's essentially
             | theft: it's the company's money, not his.
             | 
             | However, as long as management is running the company _as a
             | company_ (and not, say, the director 's personal slush
             | fund), the courts give them incredibly wide latitude.
             | They're won't second-guess whether it was "correct" to
             | prioritize long-term growth or short-term profit-taking, as
             | long as either is vaguely in the company's interests.
             | 
             | A parallel case, Shlensky v. Wrigley, has absolutely
             | bonkers facts. Wrigley wouldn't install electric lights at
             | his ball field, clearly due to
             | some...idiosyncratic...beliefs about how baseball "ought to
             | be played." However, unlike Ford, Wrigley left open the
             | possibility that this was also a business decision too:
             | perhaps changing the neighborhood would drive people away,
             | or the lights would cost too much to operate. Consequently,
             | the court found in his favor even though one gets the sense
             | they were not totally convinced it was a sensible business
             | decision.
             | 
             | Longer thread with references and quotes here:
             | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23393674
        
           | gruez wrote:
           | >Privately held lifestyle businesses don't, at least not as
           | much.
           | 
           | Only because if they're the sole owner, there's nobody with
           | standing to sue. There's no special legal classification for
           | "Privately held lifestyle business". If such businesses have
           | minority shareholders, you still have fiduciary duty to them,
           | and can't use it as a personal slush fund, or manage it
           | incompetently.
        
           | deaux wrote:
           | The leadership team absolutely does not have any
           | responsibility to maximize short-term profit, whichis the
           | claim this thread is about.
           | 
           | It has a responsibility to not actively and intentionally
           | destroy the company, and to not use the company's resources
           | for purely personal gain in a way unrelated to the company.
           | 
           | That's it.
           | 
           | This is also why you never hear about any company getting
           | sued for anything related to this (let alone succesfully).
           | Because it doesn't happen, as it's not a thing and any lawyer
           | would immediately tell you you don't have a case.
        
         | tirant wrote:
         | I agree. The objective of every business is to be decided by
         | their owners. That claim is indeed not always valid. That might
         | be the case for basically every publicly traded company but for
         | sure not for many small businesses.
        
         | TZubiri wrote:
         | Funnily enough, when incorporating, "to make profit" is usually
         | not part of the stated mission, usually it's something along
         | the lines of "to make chess software"
        
           | wahnfrieden wrote:
           | Those missions are generally for employee alignment,
           | recruiting, customer facing marketing. "Making money" doesn't
           | work for employees that don't share ownership of the business
           | and are paid at market rate (IOW as low as the market will
           | bear)
        
             | chrisfosterelli wrote:
             | Obviously money is important. We live in a capitalist
             | world. It lets an org invest in future, greater service to
             | its mission. But it's not WHY a business exists. It's just
             | a measure. It's sort of like saying that you exist to
             | breathe oxygen or pump blood. It's necessary and important,
             | but suggesting that's your mission would be a little
             | reductive.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | There's a reason boards study financials and hide them
               | from employees
        
               | chrisfosterelli wrote:
               | The reasons are because it's their job to ensure the
               | organization's future, and financials are the specifics
               | of how the company plans to do that, and because
               | providing financial information to more people than
               | necessary increases the risk that it leaks to competitors
               | and inside traders.
        
             | TZubiri wrote:
             | Not really, they are part of the charter granted by
             | government and they bind the company in its legal
             | capacities.
             | 
             | Companies are de jure entities, they exist not de facto,
             | but by registration with the state. For many reasons, you
             | or others cannot go to courts and claim different things
             | about a company as a separate entity from its owners
             | without previously having declared to the state and courts
             | that such a company exists and what the rules of the
             | company were.
             | 
             | The mission of a company are thus part of the rules defined
             | for a company at creation, such that if an owner made its
             | riches in oil prospecting, but also had a company whose
             | mission was software development, then other partners of
             | the second company, or creditors in case of bankruptcy,
             | would have no claim to riches that came from oil
             | prospecting. For example.
        
         | BurningFrog wrote:
         | It's not a perfect model of the world, but empirically it's a
         | very useful one, so economists often use it to understand the
         | world.
        
         | johndhi wrote:
         | surely it's the goal of most pricing strategies, though, right?
        
         | realityfactchex wrote:
         | Yeah, it's a myth, and a pervasive one. Decent description at
         | [0].
         | 
         | Not only that, but people actually think they know that.
         | 
         | Since people believe it, it's "real to them".
         | 
         | IMO, this helps make it easier to go from "we're going to make
         | the best widgets and be good, responsible, ethical corps" to
         | "we will extract as much value as possible from customers,
         | anything within the law is fair game, external consequences not
         | being our concern".
         | 
         | [0] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/8146/are-u-s-
         | co...
        
           | wahnfrieden wrote:
           | Why is the idea of quality oriented "getting by" businesses
           | popular here, but worker cooperatives generally scorned? A
           | worker owned coop is more resilient to deciding to focus on
           | quality and affordability than a business with investors and
           | hierarchical ownership that can change (after a death or a
           | sale etc)
        
             | JanNash wrote:
             | Valid inquiry!
        
             | bee_rider wrote:
             | Worker co-ops are scorned here? I think they just don't
             | come up much due to the nature of the industry.
             | 
             | Like all [citation needed] nerds I consumed a ridiculous
             | amount of fantasy fiction growing up, and think programming
             | is as close to magic as we'll ever get in the real world.
             | If somebody made a "Programmers Guild" in the style of a
             | wizard's guild, who among us wouldn't join such a thing?
        
               | giancarlostoro wrote:
               | > If somebody made a "Programmers Guild" in the style of
               | a wizard's guild, who among us wouldn't join such a
               | thing?
               | 
               | HN is the wizard's guild.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | Yes they get criticized as communist idealism and without
               | upside for people to start
        
             | rahimnathwani wrote:
             | What are some examples of worker cooperatives that are
             | successful due to their focus on quality and affordability?
             | 
             | What might I buy from them?
             | 
             | (The only worker cooperative I knowingly buy from now is a
             | local bakery/pizza place.)
        
               | jjj123 wrote:
               | As you mention, plenty of bakeries, grocery stores are
               | worker owned. For example rainbow grocery is not _cheap_
               | but the quality is high and the bulk prices are not bad.
               | 
               | For some reason two of the biggest and best flour brands
               | are worker owned: King Arthur and Bob's Red Mill.
               | 
               | But if we're talking bottom of the barrel prices, I don't
               | know many worker owned orgs that focus on that.
               | 
               | Turns out when operations are more democratic and left
               | leaning (and all worker owned coops I know of in 2025 are
               | left-leaning), workers are unlikely to support things
               | that are cheaper but have negative externalities. So
               | produce is more likely to organic (and expensive),
               | farming practices are more likely to be ethical (and
               | expensive), etc.
               | 
               | I've been on the lookout for worker owned clothing brands
               | but they're few and far between.
        
               | rahimnathwani wrote:
               | The post to which I replied was specifically about:
               | 
               | - worker cooperatives, and
               | 
               | - quality and affordability
               | 
               | I don't know whether worker cooperatives are more or less
               | likely than a median business to generate negative
               | externalities, so I won't comment on that part.
               | 
               | I wouldn't call Rainbow Grocery 'affordable'. It's been a
               | long time since I bought anything there, but I recall it
               | being _much_ more expensive than every single chain
               | supermarket (not just the lower end ones).
               | 
               | King Arthur and Bob's Red Mill are not 'worker
               | cooperatives' as far as I can tell. They both have ESOPs
               | (Employee Stock Ownership Plans), but I don't see
               | anything suggesting they're run in a democratic (one
               | employee = one vote) fashion.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | https://www.bobsredmill.com/employee-owned Certainly many
               | non-coop businesses have ESOPs but this says the goal is
               | to transition to 100% employee-owned via the ESOP (rather
               | than the typical single or low double digit employee
               | grant pool). I recall reading that when Bob was dying he
               | decided or had it in his will to transition his ownership
               | fully to the employees.
               | 
               | edit: "100% employee owned / That happy day came in April
               | 30th of 2020: as of our 10th anniversary, Bob's Red Mill
               | is now 100% employee owned, one of only about 6,000
               | businesses in the country to achieve this incredible
               | feat."
               | 
               | Equal Exchange is a worker-owned co-op:
               | https://equalexchange.coop their management leadership
               | positions are rotating (across workers) and have
               | compensation multiplier caps. The coffee at least is
               | quite affordable compared with other specialty brands.
               | 
               | Thanks to zoning laws in Japan, whereby practically
               | anyone is able to start a retail business with minimal
               | capital and permitting requirements, there are many shops
               | and food-related businesses that are worker-owned. Many
               | are also highly affordable can be cheaper than chains or
               | convenience options (apart from the very cheapest of
               | chains).
        
               | rahimnathwani wrote:
               | 'worker-owned' and 'worker cooperative' are not the same
               | thing.
               | 
               | Re: small busineses... Many family businesses are
               | 'worker-owned' but they are not 'worker cooperatives'
               | because either:
               | 
               | - there's only a single worker, or
               | 
               | - the decisions are generally made by a single person
               | (e.g. 'head of family')
               | 
               | Re: Bob's Red Mill... it has a board and a CEO etc. It
               | doesn't seem to be a 'worker cooperative'.
        
             | oooyay wrote:
             | I've never actually seen them criticized here but I'll bite
             | since I've worked for one.
             | 
             | Worker owned companies are just a different shade of
             | typical corporate politics. I worked for North America's
             | largest sewer inspection and cleaning company. The company
             | did about equal volumes of each type of work but since
             | inspection is more technology based there were far more
             | cleaners than there were inspectors and analysts. I'd been
             | there about a year and I'd noticed that we were so far
             | outpacing cleaning that we'd started to lapse on some of
             | our contractual inspection storage commitments which
             | required about ten years storage of raw inspection files.
             | The inspection files were raw video with annotations. I
             | drew up a proposal to build out centralized storage arrays
             | and upgrade video processing site internet connections.
             | Pretty baseline stuff to meet the needs of our contractual
             | obligations. It went up for a vote because it'd effect the
             | yearly budget which impacted dividends checks. It was
             | unanimously voted down by the cleaners. I realized then and
             | there that any business that's worker owned will be
             | primarily be influenced by the largest in quantity labor
             | group and haven't worked for one since.
             | 
             | Long way of saying that I wouldn't say it's any better or
             | worse than other management structures.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | There are different ways to structure worker cooperatives
               | and decision making. Have you seen the consent-based
               | framework sociocracy uses (rather than majority voting or
               | consensus)?
        
         | dpoloncsak wrote:
         | Many of those businesses eventually get acquired or crushed by
         | the guys who do put profit over everything else.
         | 
         | Sure, Amazon made drivers piss in bottles. They also put killed
         | (or atleast, put the final nail in the coffin) your local brick
         | and mortar xyz store.
        
         | deaux wrote:
         | This isn't a "disagree or agree" topic. It's a "wrong or right"
         | topic, and even at 13 years old I could've told you that you're
         | right and they're wrong. _Of course_ this isn 't the goal of
         | every business, and it's trivially verifiable.
         | 
         | They effectively put out a statement saying "the earth is flat,
         | water is dry and sunlight is wet".
        
       | Brosper wrote:
       | Thank you for this. Have you heard about PPP (Purchasing Power
       | Parity)? Some pages sell products -50% in Poland because we don't
       | earn as much as in other countries.
        
       | haunter wrote:
       | Steam used to have (until 2016) a two tier regonal pricing in the
       | EU (EU1 and EU2) but they had to stop it because it was
       | discrimination that people in Sweden paid more for a game than
       | people in Bulgaria. Now everyone in the EU pays the same as
       | people in Sweden. And of course games haven't become cheaper
       | either
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | There would be similar pushback if Steam started selling games
         | for cheaper in Greenville, Alabama vs New York City. Plenty of
         | regions in the USA have way worse economic disparity than the
         | two you have highlighted. The point of being a single
         | economic/political bloc is to be able to negotiate collectively
         | and work towards a balance.
        
           | rockostrich wrote:
           | I don't think it'd be illegal in the case of the US though.
        
       | tasuki wrote:
       | Eh, the pricing should be tailored to the individual. Give each
       | individual exactly the highest price point they can handle.
       | Regional pricing is so yesteryear...
       | 
       | (I think I'm kidding. Am I?)
        
       | InsomniacL wrote:
       | They priced me out of a subscription.
       | 
       | PS15 a month in the UK for an online chess game is crazy.
       | 
       | I've paid for 3 months but this is my last.
       | 
       | I'm only interested in Game review, but there are about 50 other
       | sub-categories on their site that i don't use.
       | 
       | Only their top tier of membership provides game review and to be
       | honest it's not even that good.
       | 
       | The game review is about the top 'computer' move, not what a
       | human should do, and not one at my elo or to advance my elo.
        
         | yardenshoham wrote:
         | Try https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/chesscom-
         | analysis-a.... It allows free game overviews.
        
         | whatamidoingyo wrote:
         | Lichess is incredible. I canceled my membership and deleted my
         | chess.com account due to frustrations from disconnects and
         | laggy movement. Lichess doesn't have these issues. It just
         | feels way better to play vs chess.com.
        
         | _ache_ wrote:
         | Assuming you can self-host, you may be interested in OpenChess-
         | Insights, abandonned but still working (on Linux, small error
         | L420 in template/analysis.html).
         | 
         | It's a interesting PoC.
         | 
         | https://github.com/LinkAnJarad/OpenChess-Insights
        
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