[HN Gopher] Jane Goodall has died
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       Jane Goodall has died
        
       Author : jaredwiener
       Score  : 823 points
       Date   : 2025-10-01 18:10 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | toomuchtodo wrote:
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall_Institute
        
       | FireBeyond wrote:
       | The sheer volume of a lifetime's effort in studying chimpanzees
       | and primate behavior is huge. Her contributions are priceless.
       | 
       | No more will chimpanzees be able to conduct research with that
       | tramp (https://screenrant.com/far-side-controversial-comic-strip-
       | ja...).
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | > When the strip ran, the Jane Goodall Institute was not
         | amused, promptly drafting a cease and desist letter. Larson
         | maintained he had no ill will towards Doctor Goodall. At the
         | time of the controversy, Goodall had been out of the country,
         | but saw the cartoon for herself when she returned-and loved it.
         | Goodall instructed the institute to drop the issue. In the
         | aftermath, Goodall reached out to Larson, and the two became
         | friends; Larson even licensed the cartoon to the Institute to
         | produce a t-shirt that was then used to raise funds. Goodall
         | even went so far as to write a preface for one of The Far
         | Side's collected editions.
         | 
         | Good(all?) on her, it's nice to see leaders both have a sense
         | of humor and actually lead.
        
       | thr0waway001 wrote:
       | In heaven with Koko
        
         | eej71 wrote:
         | I suspect Koko's capabilities were completely over sold.
        
           | Rendello wrote:
           | I was fascinated by Koko's abilities and took them at face
           | value until I saw her famous climate change speech:
           | 
           | > I am gorilla. I am flowers, animals. I am nature. Man Koko
           | love. Earth Koko love. But Man stupid. Stupid! Koko sorry.
           | Koko cry. Time hurry! Fix Earth! Help Earth! Hurry! Protect
           | Earth. Nature see you. Thank you.
           | 
           | I saw that and felt like I was in crazy land. That's
           | supposedly the kind of talking Koko's been doing this whole
           | time?? Turns out, there was a lot of government funding into
           | ape communication in the 70s, and when researchers figured
           | out that apes can't meaningfully communicate, the funding
           | dried up. Her handler, Penny Patterson, pivoted from research
           | to PR. And how.
           | 
           | https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/what-does-koko-know-
           | about-...
        
             | typpilol wrote:
             | There's a lot of evidence to suggest most of her research
             | was fraudulent
        
             | eej71 wrote:
             | The other thing that stood out for me was - if that was so
             | successful - why do we not have other Kokos? Did we just
             | get lucky and find the one genius who could do this or did
             | we maybe trick ourselves?
        
             | jmdeon wrote:
             | From the Snopes:
             | 
             | > Some viewers took the video a little too literally,
             | however, and were surprised at Koko's pithy and timely
             | exhortation to heed the perils of global warming. But
             | nothing about the video indicates that Koko can actually
             | entertain, much less communicate to humans, thoughts about
             | environmentalism.
             | 
             | Personally I never took it literally. I saw the video and
             | knew right away it was just a marketing stunt, but that
             | didn't mean I suddenly thought research into ape
             | intelligence and language should stop. I do wish they had
             | made it more clear that it was just a stunt because I'm
             | sure people like you felt mislead.
             | 
             | I am still fascinated with Koko and the brains of great
             | apes! Also fascinating that they've never asked a question
             | but at least one grey parrot has.
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)#cite_note-
             | jordan...
        
               | Rendello wrote:
               | There's some interesting reading here (the section and
               | the page generally):
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape_language#Criticis
               | m_a...
               | 
               | ---
               | 
               | Regarding:
               | 
               | > I do wish they had made it more clear that it was just
               | a stunt because I'm sure people like you felt mislead.
               | 
               | People like me felt like "what the hell was that?", maybe
               | :D
               | 
               | The more you look into Penny Patterson's claims, the more
               | you go "what the hell?"
        
         | karmakurtisaani wrote:
         | And Harambe.
        
       | libraryatnight wrote:
       | I remember in grade school so many in the class being inspired by
       | her, then as I grew up every time I encountered her on television
       | or in print she was equally inspiring, empathetic, and
       | informative. I will miss her.
        
       | mapmeld wrote:
       | I really appreciated her speaking to young people, even riding
       | the NYC subway for the first time to record "Subway Takes" last
       | year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkwo6JPV00
       | 
       | She also was speaking on a panel just a week ago:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0GWlZm3gk
        
         | diggan wrote:
         | She was also on Spanish TV just five months ago, I was a bit
         | surprised when she appeared there. Seems most of it is on
         | YouTube as well (hoping it's not geo-restricted):
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE7lnl4ah9s
        
           | lomase wrote:
           | I will add it is one of the most watched shows on prime time.
        
         | cammikebrown wrote:
         | My friend had tickets to see her in LA this Friday.
        
         | aethrum wrote:
         | crazy how you can just be this alive one year and then dead the
         | next. I get 91 is old, but still
        
           | bobmcnamara wrote:
           | People don't think it's like that but it is, for all of us,
           | eventually.
        
           | jimbokun wrote:
           | That is truly a gift, to be able to be that active until
           | almost the end of your life.
        
         | lonelyasacloud wrote:
         | Highly rate her episode of the BBC's The Life Scientific
         | https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000jmsd
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | NYT obit: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/01/obituaries/jane-
       | goodall-d...
        
       | noufalibrahim wrote:
       | This is sad to hear. I saw her at a lecture about 20 years ago. I
       | remember her passion for her subject and how elegant she was.
        
       | maxglute wrote:
       | When I was young, not knowing who Jane Goodall was, I was dragged
       | into lunch by event planner who showed her around Beijing, and
       | wondered why this lady was talking about chimpanzees so much.
       | This was the year the Nokia released Snake, I remember getting
       | enamoured/distracted by her monkey talk and lost a near perfect
       | snake run.
        
         | thom wrote:
         | Sorry for your loss.
        
           | byearthithatius wrote:
           | The snake game or her death?
        
         | butlike wrote:
         | Well, technically apes don't have tails, monkeys do, so the
         | chimpanzee talk would be an ape talk. Learned that from her too
        
           | onraglanroad wrote:
           | In the same sense that "there's no such thing as a tree" or
           | "there's no such thing as a fish", there's"no such thing as a
           | monkey".
        
             | IAmBroom wrote:
             | ... unless you include apes.
        
             | AlotOfReading wrote:
             | Monkeys are just the simiiformes minus the apes. That's
             | just a paraphyly, which is totally fine.
             | 
             | If you don't like paraphyletic labels for aesthetic
             | reasons, just include the apes to make it monophyletic. The
             | main reason we don't is that many people have strong,
             | visceral reactions to being called a monkey.
             | 
             | You can't do that to fish or trees without including a
             | bunch of things that are obviously not trees and fish.
        
           | pinkmuffinere wrote:
           | "If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, even if it has
           | a monkey-kind-of shape. It if doesn't have a tail it's not a
           | monkey; if it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey: it's an
           | ape."
        
             | technothrasher wrote:
             | With the one exception being Curious George.
        
               | type0 wrote:
               | Yeah but his tail was amputated, my neighbour had a cat
               | without tail, bitten off by a dog or something, it's not
               | that uncommon.
        
               | pinkmuffinere wrote:
               | Perhaps the 'curiousness' of George was not his
               | personality trait, but rather the curious affliction of
               | his missing tail.
        
       | throwaway29303 wrote:
       | Godspeed.
        
       | seper8 wrote:
       | To anyone who hasn't seen it (especially those who are fans of
       | Philip Glass) watch this biopic:
       | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7207238
        
       | vixen99 wrote:
       | Jane Goodall: "My question was: How far along our human path,
       | which has led to hatred and evil and full-scale war, have
       | chimpanzees traveled?"
        
       | jasoneckert wrote:
       | You don't have to be a biologist or zoologist to appreciate what
       | Jane Goodall brought to the world.
       | 
       | Her work transcended science. It touched on compassion, respect
       | for all living beings, and a deep curiosity about the natural
       | world that inspired generations. She didn't just study
       | chimpanzees; she taught us what it means to observe with empathy,
       | to advocate with conviction, and to act with hope. Her legacy
       | will echo for a very long time.
        
         | rampareddy wrote:
         | Beautifully put! Her legacy will inspire generations to come.
        
         | adriand wrote:
         | She was one of my heroes. I'm terribly saddened by this loss.
         | 
         | Imagine what kind of world we would live in if we put these
         | kinds of human beings in charge instead.
        
           | jimbokun wrote:
           | The first nations to do so would be invaded and conquered by
           | their more militaristic neighbors.
        
       | alsetmusic wrote:
       | That's sad news. She completely changed the way we thought about
       | primate intelligence. Fun fact: she really liked the Far Side
       | cartoon about her.
       | 
       | https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/...
        
         | Cuuugi wrote:
         | The full saga is humourous. from wiki.
         | 
         | Gary Larson cartoon incident
         | 
         | One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees
         | grooming. One finds a blonde human hair on the other and
         | inquires, "Conducting a little more 'research' with that Jane
         | Goodall tramp?"[114] Goodall herself was in Africa at the time.
         | The Jane Goodall Institute thought the cartoon was in bad taste
         | and had its lawyers draft a letter to Larson and his
         | distribution syndicate in which they described the cartoon as
         | an "atrocity". They were stymied by Goodall herself: when she
         | returned and saw the cartoon, she stated that she found the
         | cartoon amusing.[115]
         | 
         | Since then, all profits from sales of a shirt featuring this
         | cartoon have gone to the Jane Goodall Institute. Goodall wrote
         | a preface to The Far Side Gallery 5, detailing her version of
         | the controversy, and the institute's letter was included next
         | to the cartoon in the complete Far Side collection.[116] She
         | praised Larson's creative ideas, which often compare and
         | contrast the behaviour of humans and animals. In 1988, when
         | Larson visited Goodall's research facility in Tanzania,[115] he
         | was attacked by a chimpanzee named Frodo.
        
           | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
           | > In 1988, when Larson visited Goodall's research facility in
           | Tanzania,[115] he was attacked by a chimpanzee named Frodo.
           | 
           | That last sentence is missing from the Wikipedia page. What
           | is the source on it?
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Far_Side#Jane_Goodall_cart.
           | ..
        
             | dmd wrote:
             | It's mentioned here
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasakela_chimpanzee_community
        
               | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
               | Jesus! Frodo sounds like a bastard.
               | 
               | > Frodo's aggression was not limited to colobus monkeys
               | and other chimpanzees. In May 2002, he killed a 14-month-
               | old human child that the niece of a member of the
               | research team had carried into his territory.[61] As a
               | result, the Tanzanian National Parks Department
               | considered killing Frodo.[61] In 1988, he attacked
               | visiting Far Side cartoonist Gary Larson, leaving him
               | bruised and scratched.[61] Frodo had a history of
               | attacking the researchers observing him; Goodall was
               | attacked by Frodo on multiple occasions and, in 1989, the
               | ape beat her head so violently her neck was nearly
               | broken.[61]
        
               | IncreasePosts wrote:
               | Frodo also impregnated his own mother
               | 
               | https://blog.michael-lawrence-
               | wilson.com/2014/01/19/frodo-30...
        
               | typpilol wrote:
               | How did they not put him down after he killed an infant?
               | That's crazy
        
             | sjburt wrote:
             | On the Jane Goodall page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan
             | e_Goodall#Gary_Larson_carto...
        
           | kulahan wrote:
           | Everyone's fighting for Jane Goodall but Jane Goodall
           | apparently
        
             | xorbax wrote:
             | Why do you say that? I'm not sure how that follows.
        
               | kulahan wrote:
               | It's a joke about both Frodo the Chimp _and_ the Jane
               | Goodall institute were defending her more
               | enthusiastically than necessary
        
           | ryandrake wrote:
           | Always amusing when a bunch of lawyers over-react to
           | something, supposedly on their client's behalf, and then when
           | the client finds out about it, they have to talk the lawyers
           | out of it and tell them to chill. I've always wondered if
           | lawyers are born without a sense of humor or if they lose it
           | during one of the semesters of law school.
        
           | apercu wrote:
           | And that, to all you aspiring entrepreneurs, is how you deal
           | with shit. Please don't take your cues from our current
           | industry and political "leaders".
           | 
           | Tech (and business, and politics) tends to attract a lot of
           | people who are convinced they already know everything and who
           | could probably benefit from a little more confidence and
           | perspective.
           | 
           | That combination makes for a lot of thin-skinned bullshit. I
           | could name names, but you all know the people I am talking
           | about.
        
       | cjfd wrote:
       | I read one or maybe some (don't remember anymore) of her books
       | about 15 or 20 years ago. Clearly a great person.
        
       | Workaccount2 wrote:
       | Wow she was just featured in an interview with the WSJ Journal
       | podcast on Friday. Definitely worth a listen. Such a shame to
       | hear this
        
       | inglor_cz wrote:
       | The gap between us and the chimpanzees is, at the same time,
       | "tantalizingly small" and "too big".
       | 
       | We have learnt to communicate with them, but they also don't seem
       | to ask questions, at least not the way that humans do.
       | 
       | There is obvious intelligence in their eyes and deliberation in
       | their movements, but they seem to be content with an almost
       | static culture. Which was also true for the Neanderthals.
       | 
       | What was the last subtle mutation that prodded our species onto
       | the road of intellectual curiosity?
       | 
       | We still don't know.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | Maybe asking annoying questions?
        
           | inglor_cz wrote:
           | Maybe :)
           | 
           | To elaborate, there seems to be a difference between physical
           | curiosity and intellectual curiosity.
           | 
           | Many mammals, especially when young, are very curious about
           | their environment, peeking, sniffing, burrowing in the ground
           | etc. So are human children.
           | 
           | But the ability to ask more abstract questions "why do the
           | stars shine?" does seem to be limited to humans alone, and
           | maybe not even all humans. And it is very uncertain if
           | archaic humans had it as well.
        
         | DFHippie wrote:
         | For most of human history cultural change was extremely slow,
         | so slow as to be imperceptible. I'm not sure the neanderthals
         | experienced any less dynamic a culture than the modern humans
         | living at the same time.
         | 
         | Perhaps expecting change makes change more likely. Also, when
         | things are scarce and life is tenuous you are less likely to
         | experiment. Why waste the resources? Why take the risk? When
         | surplus calories became commonplace is when cultural change
         | took off.
        
           | inglor_cz wrote:
           | "Also, when things are scarce and life is tenuous you are
           | less likely to experiment. Why waste the resources? Why take
           | the risk? When surplus calories became commonplace is when
           | cultural change took off."
           | 
           | True, but not the entire picture either. From what we know,
           | even hunters and gatherers living in inhospitable regions
           | have a rich oral culture and extensive pantheons of gods,
           | demigods and legendary heroes. There seems to be something in
           | us humans that yearns for more than just calories.
        
             | DFHippie wrote:
             | > There seems to be something in us humans that yearns for
             | more than just calories.
             | 
             | And we have no evidence that we are different in this from
             | Neanderthals (arguably also humans). There is evidence of
             | cultural variation among chimps, so there must also be
             | cultural change. Do they yearn for things more than
             | calories? Well, they play. They are curious.
             | 
             | I am extremely skeptical of claims that humans are special.
             | We are strongly motivated to find this to be true. On the
             | one hand, it flatters us. On the other hand, it justifies
             | believing we are ethically distinct. This same way of
             | thinking has been applied to other humans with results we
             | now deplore.
             | 
             | Are we special, the chosen creatures? Maybe. We sure want
             | to believe we are. It's fun and useful to be special! But
             | maybe we should be cautious leaping to that conclusion. I
             | think Jane Goodall was of this mind as well.
        
               | inglor_cz wrote:
               | "Special" means different things for different people.
               | 
               | For me, humans are special in their capability to create
               | extensive culture. That does not mean that $deity has
               | created us in its image, it may well be a random fluke of
               | evolution.
               | 
               | But we haven't seen a cave painting done by non-humans
               | yet, nor heard a story narrated by them.
        
           | AlotOfReading wrote:
           | I'm pretty skeptical that cultural change was meaningfully
           | slower (except as limited by effective population sizes).
           | Cultural change for early humans is nearly invisible in the
           | material record. Imagine that all archaeologists of the far
           | future find nothing from the current era except iphones
           | without working storage. Do they indicate a unified global
           | culture without cultural change outside WWDC?
           | 
           | Obviously not, even though there _are_ aspects of a shared
           | global culture indicated by their global distribution.
           | Material culture is related to culture, but it 's an
           | imperfect and imprecise record. The same issue occurs with
           | correlating culture with genetics or language.
        
             | DFHippie wrote:
             | Sure, but this is true of neanderthals as well. So we can't
             | say we are especially creative or dynamic in our culture.
             | We can say that our material culture, that small fragment
             | of it that was preserved, was static.
        
               | AlotOfReading wrote:
               | That was the point: I also wouldn't say that about
               | neanderthals.
               | 
               | The evidence on the ground is of course, limited. But
               | it's a fairly common view among
               | anthropologists/archaeologists that our perspective on
               | ancient societies is immensely limited by the material
               | record, hence the generally positive reception to _Dawn
               | of Everything_ despite its sketchy details and
               | interpretations.
        
         | fullstop wrote:
         | This was ages ago when I was in college, but the theory then
         | was the ability to walk upright freed our hands to do other
         | things. Chimps primarily knuckle-walk, so they can't easily
         | carry objects (food, tools, etc) from point A to point B.
        
         | bee_rider wrote:
         | What's this about Neanderthals?
        
         | nerpderp82 wrote:
         | So many unsubstantiated claims, you find this pattern in
         | someone infected with exceptionalism.
        
           | inglor_cz wrote:
           | Ok, show me apes who unambiguously ask abstract questions.
           | 
           | The Neanderthal claim is what you can call unsubstantiated
           | (so, one claim, not so many), but I would like to draw your
           | attention to the extreme stability of the Mousterien
           | industry. No _Homo sapiens sapiens_ industry comes close to
           | this level of stability.
           | 
           | "infected with exceptionalism"
           | 
           | So, we aren't exceptional at all? How do you square this
           | rejection with the fact that you have never encountered, say,
           | a written comment by a member of another species?
           | 
           | The word "infected" is very negative. I like intelligent
           | animals, but no one except for us has, for example, as
           | versatile hands as we do.
        
         | xeonmc wrote:
         | For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that
         | he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved
         | so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all
         | the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a
         | good time.          But conversely, the dolphins had always
         | believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for
         | precisely the same reasons.                  - The Hitchhiker's
         | Guide to the Galaxy
        
           | inglor_cz wrote:
           | Yeah, I read it too, but let's not take the book as a holy
           | one.
           | 
           | Dolphins are plenty smart, but their absence of a material
           | culture also leaves them exposed to various forces beyond
           | their control.
           | 
           | Are dolphin moms not grieving when their baby gets eaten by
           | killer whales?
           | 
           | This sort of threats is ubiquitous in nature, but almost
           | unknown in a civilization.
           | 
           | True nature is brutal.
        
       | cldwalker wrote:
       | Thanks to Jane for her contributions. Some great quotes from her:
       | "We have a choice to use the gift of our lives to make the world
       | a better place." and "If we kill off the wild, then we are
       | killing a part of our souls."
        
       | ndegruchy wrote:
       | What a phenomenal woman, scientist and activist. We could use
       | more people like her.
       | 
       | Rest in peace, Jane.
        
       | revjx wrote:
       | I saw her talk in London earlier this year. She was hilarious,
       | eloquent, and inspiring. I found listening to her quite moving in
       | a way I hadn't anticipated.
       | 
       | Remarkable woman. I feel thankful to have had the chance to just
       | stand there and listen to her and look around at all the other
       | rapt faces around me.
        
       | andyjohnson0 wrote:
       | Sad to read this. But also a long life well used and, I hope,
       | well lived. As well as helping us to understand some of our
       | companions on this planet, she helped us humans to see ourselves
       | more clearly too.
        
       | kulahan wrote:
       | I think I finally kinda understand what it means when someone
       | says they're personally touched by the loss of a celebrity. I
       | really will miss this lady.
        
       | aiauthoritydev wrote:
       | Sad day. Some of these folks dedicate their lives to otherwise
       | thankless job/work with such dedication has always made me feel
       | so positive about humanity in general I do understand when
       | religious people do it but Goodall like people are modern day
       | sages.
        
         | bostonpete wrote:
         | Not sure "thankless" really applies here. She enjoyed a sort of
         | celebrity status for the past 40-50 years and was universally
         | loved.
        
       | pnw wrote:
       | Sad news. She lived an amazing life. I'll never forget seeing her
       | and Nathan Myhrvold greet each other like chimps at a book
       | signing in Seattle.
        
         | nerpderp82 wrote:
         | You mean greet each other like a chimp and a baboon.
        
       | rmason wrote:
       | She last appeared in Detroit at the Fisher theatre just three
       | weeks ago. Knew some folks who attended and they raved about her
       | one person show. Thought I might catch her next time she's there.
       | But I didn't realize how old she was or I might have made it more
       | of a priority. She was pretty high energy for someone in their
       | nineties.
        
         | givehimagun wrote:
         | I just saw her two weeks ago taping her interview for Overheard
         | with Evan Smith. She was in top notch form and had the audience
         | at the edge of our seats and in tears at moments. I am glad I
         | got to go -- but I am sad the world lost Jane.
         | 
         | https://video.austinpbs.org/video/jane-goodall-knw3gq/
        
       | boxerab wrote:
       | "We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it
       | underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk
       | about wouldn't be a problem if the world was the size of the
       | population that there was 500 years ago."
       | 
       | -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest
       | 
       | The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way
       | we return to this level is de-industrialization.
       | 
       | Paul Ehrlich wrote "The Population Bomb" almost 60 years ago -
       | all of his predictions turned out to be dead wrong.
        
         | nntwozz wrote:
         | Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat
         | only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going
         | to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections
         | and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek
         | utopia at some point.
         | 
         | We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just
         | multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more
         | benefits, more geniuses more inventions etc.
         | 
         | The trick is doing it without wars and inequality, good luck
         | with that.
        
           | dingnuts wrote:
           | > hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some
           | point
           | 
           | it is so dangerous and naive to think that utopia is
           | possible, even if we all could agree that Star Trek is one,
           | which we shall not, because I certainly do not think its
           | depiction of watered down "luxury space communism with
           | military ranks" is a desirable society.
        
             | jimbokun wrote:
             | That's the real trouble with Utopia, differing ideas on
             | what kind of Utopia we want.
        
             | spockz wrote:
             | The world/utopia as described in Star Trek is a world where
             | there is no poverty and free electricity. You describe
             | Starfleet. Obviously, the series do contain elitism.
             | Joining Starfleet is seen as prestigious. And even on Earth
             | there are slums during the time of the federation. So the
             | "Utopia" is not complete. And Starfleet is necessary to
             | protect the utopia from outside influences.
             | 
             | It is largely based on the premise of having copious
             | amounts basically free energy, free food (through
             | replicators), safety, and a wide open universe for settlers
             | to join when they do not want to stay in the Federation.
             | Basically, it is based on the absence of contention of
             | resources. Until we have that, either through shrinking or
             | expansions of habitat, we will retain conflict.
        
           | jimbokun wrote:
           | We have improved a lot on eliminating wars front.
           | 
           | Inequality not so much but much progress has been made in
           | eliminating abject poverty.
        
           | psunavy03 wrote:
           | Utopia literally means "no place" for a reason. We're always
           | going to be just what we are right now . . . humans.
        
         | dingnuts wrote:
         | to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a
         | stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this
         | is just hating the whole species.
        
           | lIl-IIIl wrote:
           | I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths
           | would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old
           | age.
        
             | ryandrake wrote:
             | In order to achieve this, though, we desperately need to
             | get every country well below replacement-level fertility
             | rate, and sustain that for a long, long time. Not sure it's
             | possible, _particularly_ when some political factions still
             | consider  "below replacement" to be a bad thing.
        
               | lIl-IIIl wrote:
               | It's happening though. Birthrate in many countries are
               | below replacement rate, and birthrates in all countries
               | have declined:
               | 
               | https://www.economist.com/interactive/briefing/2025/09/11
               | /hu....
        
             | jacksnipe wrote:
             | She's not doing either. In that same conversation, she goes
             | on to talk about how we don't live in that world and can't
             | return there, and what the implications should be for
             | policy.
        
             | NoboruWataya wrote:
             | The thing is that if you depopulate by reducing the birth
             | rate, you end up in a situation where you have a whole lot
             | of old people and very few young people, which cannot be
             | sustained.
        
         | lIl-IIIl wrote:
         | Why?
        
         | jacksnipe wrote:
         | If I'm not mistaken, she goes on to say "but we don't live in
         | that world, and so we must..." and goes on to argue for policy
         | that doesn't neglect the poorest and least fortunate members of
         | society.
        
         | NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
         | >The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization.
         | 
         | Unfortunately, we will return to that level. Then 25 years
         | later, we'll be only half that number (or worse).
         | 
         | >all of his predictions turned out to be dead wrong.
         | 
         |  _Hilariously_ wrong, you mean. I especially like the ones
         | about how the UK would be filled with cannibal savages by the
         | 1980s, because everyone would be starving.
        
       | archon810 wrote:
       | Oh wow, I was just listening to her interview with the WSJ The
       | Journal podcast a few days ago. Ryan Knutson may have been her
       | last interview.
       | 
       | https://pca.st/episode/a724a8f6-b269-4a86-af32-18932f1efbf2
        
       | bananaflag wrote:
       | When I was 10, I was bored one day and my grandma brought me from
       | a neighbour "In the Shadow of Man" to read, which I loved. I
       | don't know anyone else who read that book.
       | 
       | The weird thing is just today I had recommended that book to a
       | friend.
        
       | westurner wrote:
       | Jane Goodall was a United Nations Messenger of Peace.
       | 
       | Jane Goodall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall
       | 
       | "Dr. Jane Goodall Teaches Conservation"
       | https://www.masterclass.com/classes/jane-goodall-teaches-con...
        
         | westurner wrote:
         | This one is more about the "apes" (primates),
         | 
         | "Primatologist Answers Ape Questions From Twitter"
         | https://youtube.com/watch?v=z4BmXSBXz-c
        
       | moshegramovsky wrote:
       | I saw her speak once many years ago. We would all be lucky to
       | have a life as long and impactful as hers. May her memory be a
       | blessing / zkrvnh lbrkh
        
       | rvz wrote:
       | Truly exceptional and outstanding.
       | 
       | RIP.
        
       | evanb wrote:
       | If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to
       | learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe
       | predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman
       | Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten
       | Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is
       | essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg
       | 
       | [1] https://thewomanwholovesgiraffes.com/
        
       | zephyreon wrote:
       | As a young person I really appreciated how she worked to connect
       | with our generation. She was such an inspiration.
        
       | devinegan wrote:
       | Jane came to my high school and I forged a pass to sneak in to
       | her talk. I am not sure why every class didn't get the
       | opportunity to see her, but I am glad I did. RIP
        
       | adidoit wrote:
       | Sad to hear this. She was a symbol of a kinder relationship with
       | nature. I grew up in Kenya and have many fond memories of seeing
       | her name on the Chimpanzee sanctuary in Sweetwaters
       | 
       | https://www.olpejetaconservancy.org/what-we-do/conservation/...
        
       | tinyplanets wrote:
       | I typically feel pretty disconnected when a major public figure
       | passes away, but this one really got to me. Dr. Goodall was one
       | of my heroes... I read a couple of her books when I was much
       | younger and had dreams of being a primatologist.
       | 
       | It was so gratifying to see her turn into a global leader in
       | conservation, compassion, and peace. I had a former supervisor
       | who got to meet her personally at a conference on wildlife
       | conservation in Africa several years ago (I was quite jealous)...
       | I was fortunate to see her speak publicly though.
       | 
       | RIP Jane Goodall!
        
       | junon wrote:
       | Damn. Jane Goodall was the reason I am the pro-environmentalist
       | person I am today. Learned about her from a young age as an "easy
       | day TV class" sort of day, and it fundamentally shaped how I
       | viewed the world.
       | 
       | This is awful news, though I can't help but to feel she really
       | did it all the right way. Happy she was a part of my timeline.
        
       | themadturk wrote:
       | Growing up in the 1960s with access to National Geographic
       | Magazines, Jane Goodall was one of the trio of scientists I grew
       | up with, the others being Leakey and Jacques Cousteau. Her
       | articles were fascinating! RIP
        
       | Communitivity wrote:
       | A true loss for the world, the scientific community, and nature.
        
       | SLWW wrote:
       | Mumkey Jones will not be happy to hear this
       | 
       | RIP Jane Goodall
        
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