[HN Gopher] Sora 2
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Sora 2
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzneGhpXwjU System card:
https://openai.com/index/sora-2-system-card/
Author : skilled
Score : 853 points
Date : 2025-09-30 16:55 UTC (1 days ago)
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| dvngnt_ wrote:
| After using Wan with comfyui, im uninterested in closed
| platforms. they lack the amount of control even if the quality
| might be better.
| kveykva wrote:
| The example prompt "intense anime battle between a boy with a
| sword made of blue fire and an evil demon demon" is super clearly
| just replicating Blue Exorcist
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Exorcist
| greyk47 wrote:
| one of the example prompts is literally: Prompt: in the style
| of a studio ghibli anime, a boy and his dog run up a grassy
| scenic mountain with gorgeous clouds, overlooking a village in
| the distant background
| kossTKR wrote:
| Wow that is dark, after Ghiblis staunch stance on AI.
|
| These companies and their shareholders really are complete
| scum in my eyes, just like AI in miltech.
|
| Not because the tech isn't super interesting but because they
| steal years of hard work and pain from actual artists with
| zero compensation - and then they brag about it in the most
| horrible way possible, with zero empathy.
|
| Then comes losing the little humanity left the mainstream
| culture, exactly as Miyzaki said, leading to a dead cold and
| even more unjust society.
| martin-t wrote:
| Power creates more power, money creates more money.
|
| Communism is tossing the frog into boiling water (tens
| millions of dead), capitalism is boiling it slowly (poor
| people in first world countries might not afford a dentist
| but they're not starving yet).
|
| We need a system that rewards work - human time and
| competence.
|
| There are really only 2 resources in the world - natural
| resources and human time. Everything else is built on top
| of those. And the people providing their time should be
| rewarded, not those who are in positions of power which
| allow them to extract value while not providing anything in
| return.
| martin-t wrote:
| 56 minutes, 4 downvotes, HN is truly full of temporarily
| embarrassed millionaires.
|
| Does anybody here really think rich people deserve to
| just get richer faster than any working person can? Does
| anybody really believe that buying up homes and companies
| and raking in money for doing absolutely nothing is what
| we should be rewarding?
|
| Then put your name behind it.
| astrange wrote:
| Homes are depreciating assets. You can't get rich by
| "buying up homes and doing nothing" because you'd lose
| money. Nobody is doing this, although a bunch of confused
| people on social media believe BlackRock is doing it for
| some reason.
| afavour wrote:
| I assume OP meant doing nothing _except just rent out_
| the property.
| Nursie wrote:
| > Homes are depreciating assets.
|
| Where do you live? Their value has been steadily
| appreciating in a lot of places in the west due to high
| demand.
| astrange wrote:
| I live in the most expensive housing market in the world.
|
| That's because the value of the land under the houses is
| so high; the house itself is nothing special. But even
| then, it's mostly because of Prop 13, and it only works
| out if you live in the house yourself. There's still
| noone cornering the market in California houses. Almost
| all landlords only own 1-2 properties.
| Nursie wrote:
| I live in Perth, Western Australia, and here 5-year price
| growth has topped 100% in some suburbs. Landlordism is an
| enormous money-spinner.
| astrange wrote:
| Until you have to replace a roof, or a tenant destroys
| the house, or it just doesn't rent for a while and nobody
| notices a water pipe breaking.
|
| It's risky to own a lot of buildings, and worse the risks
| are correlated if they're all in the same place (there
| could be a flood or wildfire etc.)
|
| Commercial real estate is different because your tenants
| are (more) professional.
| ipaddr wrote:
| You get insurance to manage risk. You factor in roof
| repairs, vacancy rates when determining rent meanwhile
| your property value over the last 10 years in most places
| around the world have at least doubled and more.
|
| Doesn't mean the next 10 years will see that growth but
| if you believe your country/area's population will grow
| it is probably a good investment for now in the western
| world.
| astrange wrote:
| Insurance is not free money and you can't simply
| distribute risks among your tenants because the risks are
| correlated.
|
| Like I said, you can tell it doesn't work because these
| businesses don't exist. There are essentially no
| landlords who own multiple single family homes. They do
| exist for multifamily and commercial.
| ipaddr wrote:
| I know plenty of people who own multiple houses. And
| plenty of houses that get rented and paid to the
| owner/landlord.
|
| Insurance is not free money its a pool of money gathered
| from monthly payments together to offset risk. You don't
| need to distribute the risk over all of your homes you
| buy a policy for each home.
|
| This stuff is 101. And works all around the world. There
| is even an app called airbnb that will find short term
| rentals for your house.
| Nursie wrote:
| As the other poster said, these risks can be mitigated in
| various ways. If the property appreciates 100% over five
| years, your costs associated with those risks are
| comparatively minimal.
|
| They certainly don't constitute a depreciating asset!
| Legend2440 wrote:
| The Miyzaki quote is out of context, he isn't talking about
| generative AI but rather a 2016 animation of a creepy
| zombie whose limbs are controlled by AI.
| martin-t wrote:
| While this is true, it's hard to imagine people spending
| years perfecting the style would be happy to see it
| copied effortlessly without any compensation while people
| who made the copying possible are rolling in cash.
|
| This is not just about copyright infringement or
| plagiarism.
|
| Automatically generating text, images and videos based on
| training data and a tiny prompt is fundamentally about
| taking someone's work and making money off of it without
| giving anything in return.
| mattgreenrocks wrote:
| Don't worry, I'm sure someone will roll up and claim that
| it's just "democratization" of that style and the prompt
| authors exhibit as much creativity as the artists
| themselves.
| slaterbug wrote:
| Or they'll claim it's no different from a person looking
| at something and learning from it, implying that a multi-
| billion dollar company collating and labelling petabytes
| of data without permission to be used as the raw material
| to create their slop machine is no different from a human
| being being inspired by someone else's art.
| astrange wrote:
| Luckily it doesn't actually copy the style at all.
|
| No matter what text you put in the prompt you'll get
| /something/. Just because you put "studio ghibli anime"
| in the prompt doesn't mean you're going to actually get
| that out of it. It'll just be kind of yellow and blobby.
|
| (Also, the style isn't from "people" but a specific guy
| named Yoshifumi Kondo who isn't around anymore.)
| squidsoup wrote:
| No, the zombie context is actually not that relevant,
| given he says "We as humans are losing faith in
| themselves" in response to the AI animation. He's clearly
| disgusted by the entire concept of machine generated art.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Being an animator I'd say that is not very surprising.
| But I don't think the disgusting zombie thing is very
| indicative of it.
| astrange wrote:
| Also, he was calling them ableist because they said
| crawling was creepy but it reminded him of a disabled man
| he knew.
|
| Though... I'm always surprised how respectful Westerners
| are about Miyazaki. Meanwhile you read other Japanese
| directors and they're saying all kinds of things about
| him.
| popalchemist wrote:
| In the full context, he is literally admonishing young
| developers who created ai and animation automation
| software as a possible alternative to handmade animation.
| He rips into them not only for their technical failure
| but for missing the point of what he does, which is human
| expression.
| larodi wrote:
| Indeed is difficult to NOT share this resentment, should
| anyone understand what actually happens.
| martin-t wrote:
| People are willingly blind.
|
| Kids are happy that homework takes less time. Teachers
| are happy that grading the generated homework takes less
| time. Programmers are happy they can write the same
| amount of code in less time. Graphic designers are happy
| they can get an SVG from a vague description immediately.
| Writers are happy they can generate filler from a few
| bullet points quickly.
|
| But then someone comes along, notices people are not
| working most of the time, fires three quarters of them
| and demands 4x increased output from the rest. And they
| can do it because the "AI" is helping them.
|
| Except they don't get paid any more. The company makes
| the same amount of money for less cost.
|
| So where does the difference go? To the already rich who
| own the company and the product.
| derektank wrote:
| In a competitive marketplace the difference actually
| tends to become consumer surplus, in the form of reduced
| prices.
| larodi wrote:
| ...the whole innovation enabling IT is based on a massive
| fraud or gaslight if you want - first having everyone to
| let go of their content (and un-own it blindly), then
| using it alongside everyone else's knowledge without
| consent to create a compressed blob of things which are
| then resold again.
| minimaxir wrote:
| This is interesting because every recent model demos
| _conspiciously_ avoids using IP in their demo examples for
| obvious reasons.
| aubanel wrote:
| That, and the dragon looking straight out of How to Train Your
| Dragon - I wonder if they have agreements with the right
| holders, or if they expect massive lawsuits to create free
| advertising for their launch.
| chris_wot wrote:
| Well, look at Wikimedia.
|
| https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:This_Is_Fine_(meme)..
| ..
|
| Here is a direct example of a derived work, to the point
| where the prompt is "n orange-brown anthropomorphic dog
| sitting in a chair at a table in a room that is engulfed in
| flames, happy dog sitting on chair at a table viewed from the
| side, dog with a hat, room is burning with fire all across
| the room".
|
| That's covered by Fair Use, I suppose they will argue this if
| they get sued. Interestingly, commons doesn't allow Fair Use,
| but the according to commons, "this is not a derived work".
|
| https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests.
| ..
| aubanel wrote:
| Thank you, interesting! I don't know that much about Fair
| use: if I understand well, the key is that the use should
| be "transformative", right? Am I correct in understanding
| that: - if the original "This is fine" meme was under
| copyright, the dog picture would be exempted from copyright
| by Fair use as it's a transformation - here it's not even
| needed since the original is not under copyright ("this is
| not a derived work")
| chris_wot wrote:
| It was a batshit insane decision, and a wrong one. Also:
| Commons doesn't allow for Fair Use images, so actually
| the decision was made that this wasn't transformative as
| it wasn't a derivative image.
|
| You tell me if that was a derivative image or not. I
| argued it was, and the argument was completely ignored.
| beernet wrote:
| Overall, appears rather underwhelming. Long way to go still for
| video generation. Also, launching this as a social app seems like
| yet another desperate try to productize and monetize their tech,
| but this is the position big VC money forces you into.
| falcor84 wrote:
| I've perhaps been away from the scene for a bit, but I'm very
| impressed. To me this is absolutely "video generation", and I
| don't get your disdain for productization and monetization;
| last I checked this wasn't "Basic Research News".
| DetroitThrow wrote:
| I don't think it's disdainful to point out the lack of PMF
| for a dedicated app for Sora, nor how its behind competitors
| who don't require a dedicated social app. No need to strawman
| the guy, I think it's okay to be reasonably critical of ideas
| still on this website.
|
| Inb4 make your own video model and see how easy it is
| msp26 wrote:
| The voice quality in the generated vids is surprisingly awful.
| gmueckl wrote:
| That's the first thing I noticed, too. The first words you hear
| in the trailer sounds like someone ran the voice through a comb
| filter. It's so bad it made my skin crawl immediately.
| minimaxir wrote:
| OpenAI apparently assumes that the primary users of Sora 2/the
| Sora app will be Gen Z, especially with the demo examples shown
| in the livestream. If they are trying to pull users from TikTok
| with this, it won't work: there's _some_ nuance to Gen Z
| interests than being quirky and random, and if they did indeed
| pull users from TikTok then ByteDance could easily include their
| own image /video generators.
|
| Sora 2 itself as a video model doesn't seem better than Veo
| 3/Kling 2.5/Wan 2.2, and the primary touted feature of having a
| consistent character can be sufficiently emulated in those models
| with an input image.
| usaar333 wrote:
| Physics seems better than veo 3 at least from demo videos
| bflesch wrote:
| Good point. I think OpenAI lacks the cultural understanding
| that tiktok is providing their users not only with
| entertainment but also social things like trends, reviews,
| gossip, self-expression. These aspects are not included in the
| sora experience.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| This is going to sound crass but idc - OAI is just full of
| geeks, when what is needed is people who are more akin to
| hippies - thats pretty much what Apple was in the early days.
|
| Its no use building technology when its not married with the
| humanities and liberal arts.
| bflesch wrote:
| IMO you're making a valid point, because there seems to be
| a disconnect between AI and tangible human benefits. The
| ChatGPT-as-therapy train has been nerfed after the bad
| publicity, and it is force-fed to people at their
| workplaces through copilot.
|
| I assume if you ask normal people how AI affects their
| lifes they'd think about annoying callcenter menus, deep
| fake porn and propaganda videos, and getting homework done.
| Not sure if any of this is a positive experience for the
| mind.
|
| It's 2025 and most speech controls for car navigation don't
| work, Siri is a pile of sh*t and millionaires are trying to
| convince us that we should either use their AI or a google
| which has significantly reduced the quality of their search
| result pages.
|
| It's like a false choice dilemma which allows back-to-the-
| roots companies such as Kagi to emerge, and I'm happy about
| it.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| My comment, to my surprise, has received a lot of up-
| votes lol.
|
| Completely agree. The way I think about life is - how
| will people look back 50 years from now, and make remarks
| about what is happening?
| mdrzn wrote:
| If this is anything near the demo they have been released, this
| seems incredibly good at physics. Wow. Can't wait to try the new
| app.
| jsheard wrote:
| Sora 1 was also lauded as being incredibly good at physics
| based on the early cherry-picked examples. The phrase "world
| simulator" was thrown around a lot. That didn't last long once
| people finally got their hands on it though.
| DetroitThrow wrote:
| The space dog and ice skater demo make it seem still very
| close to Sora 1
| benjiro wrote:
| Kind of wondersome if they will start to combine LLM
| generation with actual world models/GPU engines. Imagine that
| your model generates the wireframes, the Engine generates the
| physics and then another model fills in the actual visuals,
| and gaps... So you have realistic physics and gaps are filled
| in... Will also help with image retention more, if objects
| moved behind each other.
| xenobeb wrote:
| It was so much more hyped than that. They made it sound like
| Hollywood was in big trouble. It is going to have the same
| problems as Midjourney. You just don't have that much control
| of the scene. The process is to make thousands of random
| variations and cherry pick the good stuff because you can't
| do anything else.
| techpression wrote:
| The demo on their homepage shows really bad physics. There's a
| lot of it, but that doesn't mean it's correct. The hair of Sam
| looks like a paper cutout in almost every shot.
| spaceman_2020 wrote:
| Kling 2.5 is already pretty good at physics
|
| I don't expect Sora2 to be SOTA. The Chinese models are further
| ahead in video/image gen
| fariszr wrote:
| Did they make human voices sound robotic on purpose? Is that some
| kind of Ai fingerprinting? It's way too obvious
| minimaxir wrote:
| It's very hard for simultaneous good audio generation with
| video generation (simultaneous generation is necessary to
| maintain lip sync). Veo 3 et al also have flat monochannel
| audio, but not as bad as these Sora 2 demos.
| causal wrote:
| IDK if the site is being hugged to death but I can only load the
| first video. Even in just one viewing there were noticeable
| artifacts, so my impression is that Veo is still in the lead
| here.
| qafy wrote:
| Yeah I am curious what the actual resolution of these videos
| will be. The launch videos on this link will only play in like
| 360p for me.
| S0und wrote:
| I find it comical that OpenAI with all the power of CharGPT even
| them are unable to release an app for both iOS and Android at the
| same time. Wow, good marketing for Codex.
| aizk wrote:
| That is more of a statement of the complete dominance of
| iPhones among gen z.
| bigyabai wrote:
| Or Sama's documented reverence for Apple products. We _are_
| talking about the guy who sold Tim Cook his AI for $0.00, he
| 's not exactly got the horse drawing the cart here.
| drexlspivey wrote:
| Google sold Tim Cook their search engine for $-25B per year
| gmuslera wrote:
| Not even for all regions for iOS
| rd wrote:
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sora-by-openai/id6744034028
|
| App link
|
| edit: CBN80W for an invite code
| throwup238 wrote:
| I downloaded the app but I get a "Sora is invite only" screen
| after logging in to my OpenAI account and asking for an invite
| code.
| Tiberium wrote:
| > You can sign up in-app for a push notification when access
| opens for your account.
|
| You need to be in the US/Canada and wait for this
| notification, and when you get an invite you can start using
| it in the app and on sora.com. And apparently you get 4 more
| invite codes that you can share with anyone, e.g. Android
| users:
|
| > Android users will be able to access Sora 2 via
| http://sora.com once you have an invite code from someone who
| already has access
| qingcharles wrote:
| It's wild that I have a paid account but I have to scour
| the Internet to find someone else with a paid account and
| beg them for an invite code to use the product I already
| paid for. Make it make sense.
| gretch wrote:
| One thing that would make sense is for you to not pay any
| more.
|
| But if you do, that signals to the company this is all
| perfectly okay.
| Y_Y wrote:
| Do you really want a "social" app for a firehose of high-
| fidelity slop?
| solfox wrote:
| This access code is "no longer available" :(
| cactusplant7374 wrote:
| Check the browser console. The endpoint is returning 429 for
| me. So it might not even be accepting codes depending on how
| many you try.
| DetroitThrow wrote:
| Just seeing the examples that I assumed are cherry picked, it
| seems like they're still behind on Google when it comes to video
| generation, the physics and stylized versions of these shots seem
| not great. Veo3 was such a huge leap and is still ahead of many
| of the other large AI labs.
| rushingcreek wrote:
| The most interesting thing by far is the ability to include video
| clips of people and products as a part of the prompt and then
| create a realistic video with that metadata. On the technical
| side, I'm guessing they've just trained the model to
| conditionally generate videos based on predetermined characters
| -- it's likely more of a data innovation than anything
| architectural. However, as a user, the feature is very cool and
| will likely make Sora 2 very useful commercially.
|
| However, I still don't see how OpenAI beats Google in video
| generation. As this was likely a data innovation, Google can
| replicate and improve this with their ownership of YouTube. I'd
| be surprised if they didn't already have something like this
| internally.
| visarga wrote:
| > the ability to include video clips of people and products as
| a part of the prompt and then create a realistic video with
| that
|
| This is something I would not like to see, I prefer product
| videos to be real, I am taking a risk with my money. If the
| product has hallucinated or unrealistic depiction it would be a
| kind of fraud.
| BeetleB wrote:
| I believe existing laws already cover that issue.
| mepiethree wrote:
| Deepfakes require zero work now
| pton_xd wrote:
| Someone remind me the benefits of mass produced fake videos
| again?
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| - Political propaganda
|
| - Scamming people at scale
|
| - Nonconsensual pornography
|
| - Juicing engagement metrics for fading social media sites
|
| - The ongoing destruction of truth as a concept in our
| increasingly atomized and divided world
| jablongo wrote:
| I think the last one takes the cake.
| chis wrote:
| I imagine it's incredibly useful for prototyping movies, tv,
| commercials before going to the final version. CGI will
| probably get way cheaper too with some hybrid approach.
|
| Obviously this will get used for a lot of evil or bad as well
| greyk47 wrote:
| can you imagine a billion dollar company promoting their new
| pre-vis app?
| jsheard wrote:
| I feel like that's missing the point of pre-vis anyway, its
| purpose is to lay down key details with precision but
| without regard for fidelity (e.g.
| https://youtu.be/KMMeHPGV5VE), a system with high fidelity
| but very loose control is the exact opposite of what they
| want.
| minimaxir wrote:
| It's fun: maybe not for everyone, but there's clearly
| sufficient interest in it.
|
| Whether said fun is "worth" the social and economic costs is a
| separate issue.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| I can have an idea and see a video of something like my idea
| pretty quickly.
|
| What are the benefits of what you do? Does anyone know?
| jamiecurle wrote:
| Fun.
| observationist wrote:
| ... how dare you, sir. That is entirely unacceptable and you
| will be reported to the ministry of proper living!
|
| Regardless of the slop, some people will learn to use it
| well. You have stuff like NeuralViz - quite the sight! - and
| other creators will follow suit, and figure out how to use
| the new tools to produce content that's worth engaging with.
| Bigfoot vlogs and dinosaur chase scenes, all that stuff is
| mostly just fun.
|
| People like to play. Let them play. This stuff looks fun, and
| beats Sora 1 by a long shot.
|
| Hopefully it catalyzes
| jasonsb wrote:
| Democracy? Strengthened! Nothing says "informed electorate"
| like not knowing if a politician actually said they support
| nazism or if it was just a hyper-realistic AI puppet.
|
| Trust in media? Soaring! Why believe your eyes or ears when you
| can doubt everything equally?
|
| Journalism? Thriving! Reporters now get to spend their days
| playing forensic video detective instead of, you know,
| reporting news.
|
| Social harmony? Better than ever! Nothing brings people
| together like shared paranoia and the collective shrug of "I
| guess truth is dead now."
|
| Honestly, what could possibly go wrong?
| theLiminator wrote:
| lol i wonder if this will create a market for PKI at the
| image sensor level so that videos will be cryptographically
| signed and baked into the actual video stream with
| steganography.
| bsenftner wrote:
| Advertising: you (her) wearing new clothing before purchase,
| hair/glasses/makeup, make overs; guys after 3 months of gym
| membership, you driving the new car, you in this specific new
| home... etc, etc... I'm surprised this is not already
| everywhere, but people are too occupied making nsfw and fantasy
| violence clips.
| a2128 wrote:
| Targeted advertising has become just manipulation. I don't
| know if personalized advertisement videos for everyone
| promoting a fake world that doesn't exist is really a benefit
| for the world...
| bsenftner wrote:
| If course it's not a benefit, but it's an advertising angle
| that will work very well with a class of gullible
| consumers, and that is enough to justify it being plastered
| everywhere. I don't write these rules, I just notice them.
| thorum wrote:
| People are doing cool things with it. Here's one example:
|
| https://www.tiktok.com/@dreamrelicc
|
| Before AI, each video on this channel would have taken a large
| team with a Hollywood budget to create. In a few more years,
| one person may be able to turn their creative vision into a
| full-length movie.
| j4hdufd8 wrote:
| What are the benefits of those videos?
| minimaxir wrote:
| What are the benefits of producing any video?
| drexlspivey wrote:
| What are the benefits of this comment?
| j4hdufd8 wrote:
| Challenging the value of AI generated "art"
| frde_me wrote:
| Then the purpose of those videos is to challenge the
| value of non AI generated "art"
|
| (half sarcastic, but you could make the argument that
| most art has no benefit besides to the person that made
| the art)
| j4hdufd8 wrote:
| Nice! I enjoyed this sub thread. I'm not sure what I
| conclude but I enjoyed thinking about this.
| busymom0 wrote:
| > People are doing cool things with it
|
| Things are cool because they are unique, very hard to create,
| and require creativity. When those things become cheap
| commodities, they are no longer cool.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The same could be said about software, and it's safe to say
| that open-source software making complex workflows easier
| and more efficient is a net good.
|
| Making better tools is better for everyone: the median
| usage of those tools downstream is a separate issue.
| viccis wrote:
| If you're comparing how art is evaluated to how software
| is evaluated then it sounds like you only understand one
| or the other.
| cubefox wrote:
| Indeed. Art is partially evaluated by how impressive it
| is. That's why posting AI images on social media won't
| yield a lot of likes anymore. People have gotten used to
| images being easy to create, so they aren't seen as
| valuable anymore. The same will be true for videos.
|
| AI pictures today are much less impressive than Dall-E 2
| pictures were a few years ago, despite the fact that the
| models are much better nowadays. Currently AI videos can
| still be impressive, but this will quickly become a thing
| of the past.
|
| Then people will move from trying to create art to
| creating "content". That is, non-artistic slop.
| Advertisements. Porn. Meme jokes. Click bait. Rage bait.
| Propaganda. Etc.
| thorum wrote:
| I would argue that we just get pickier and more sensitive
| to slop. When everyone can make a movie, the standard for a
| good movie will be higher. Many current Hollywood films
| wouldn't make the cut. But maybe some kid in Nigeria makes
| the greatest film of all time.
| cubefox wrote:
| By that logic, some kid in Nigeria could have written the
| greatest book of all time. At least by commonly accepted
| measures, that didn't happen.
| squidsoup wrote:
| Hard to interpret that comment as anything but racist.
| Chinua Achebe is widely considered one of the greatest
| modern novelists. He was 28 when he wrote Things Fall
| Apart.
| cubefox wrote:
| Perhaps learn the meaning of the phrase "by commonly
| accepted measures" before you accuse someone of racism.
| I'm pretty sure hardly anyone knows about Chinua Achebe,
| so your definition of "widely" must be quite wide.
| og_kalu wrote:
| Things Fall Apart has sold over 20 million copies and has
| been translated into more than 50 languages. It is a
| staple of literature curriculums in schools and
| universities across the globe. That isn't a "wide"
| definition of widely known; it's the standard one.
|
| Then you have Chimamanda Adichie, who has sold millions
| of copies and won several awards, including the BBC
| National Short Story Award, widely described as "one of
| the most prestigious awards for a single short story"
|
| Then another Nigerian writer, Wole Soyinka, won the
| _Nobel fucking Prize_ in Literature in 1986. Or is that
| measure not good enough for you, your highness ?
|
| Not only do you come across as racist, you clearly have
| no idea what you're talking about. Congratulations.
| cubefox wrote:
| These examples seem highly cherry-picked. If you look at
| bestseller lists, or writers who average people actually
| know, the results are in fact very different. Your
| accusation ("racist") is defamatory.
| og_kalu wrote:
| Calling a Nobel Prize winner, among others 'cherry-
| picked' in an argument about literary greats where _you_
| asked for 'commonly accepted measures' is one of the
| most intellectually dishonest things I've ever read, so
| congratulations again.
|
| You were thoroughly proven wrong so now your new standard
| for literary greatness is "writers that average people
| know" ? (which is really just code for 'writers I know',
| because millions do know those writers, I wasn't sharing
| some secret). I guess that means we can throw out
| Faulkner, Joyce, and Woolf in favor of whoever's
| currently at the top of the airport bookstore list.
|
| It's not "defamatory" to point out that your argument,
| which began with a dismissive generalization about an
| entire country, was based on profound ignorance (the kind
| that wouldn't have taken anything more than a basic
| google search to remedy). You were corrected with facts.
| Instead of going, 'I stand corrected, sorry', you're
| doubling down. It just makes you look worse, and stupid.
|
| This is the most basic racist playbook happening in real
| time, and you're the star. If you genuinely think you
| aren't then you need to take a long, good look at
| yourself.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| Exactly. Pushing a photo through a Van Gogh filter doesn't
| get near what a real Van Gogh expresses. It's in a temporal
| context, communicates something about the person and their
| thoughts about reality. Their artistic choices matter,
| because they can't just put out 10 different variations,
| instead they have to pick one. And then we can think about
| why that one was chosen.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| This is absolutely horrible.
|
| People need to be exposed to what is real. Not more
| artificial stuff.
|
| I think this is the point at which humanity will finally puke
| and reject this crap.
|
| Just because a small segment of people like it doesnt mean
| the mass majority will.
| qingcharles wrote:
| Maybe your real is good. For most people on Earth, real
| isn't that great.
| FergusArgyll wrote:
| I personally love Monet, he's not for everyone, I know, but
| I'm sure you can find some art you appreciate
| cubefox wrote:
| You probably don't personally love AI generated
| impressionist content.
| FergusArgyll wrote:
| No, but there's some stuff that are really creative.
| Ironically I think the reason I'm more positive about it
| is because I only encounter AI generated (non-text media)
| ~ once a week / 2 weeks.
| cubefox wrote:
| But modern AI could create images which are basically
| indistinguishable from a real Monet if you are not an
| expert. So the fact that you like Monet's pictures, but
| not Monet-like AI pictures, shows that part of what you
| like is the fact that an image is made by a specific
| human instead of being generated by a diffusion model.
| jasonsb wrote:
| > In a few more years, one person may be able to turn their
| creative vision into a full-length movie.
|
| Yes, but at the same time the value of video production will
| quickly drop to 0. Or to whatever it costs to generate that
| video in terms of tokens.
| intended wrote:
| The value will shift to search or curation - if the cost to
| produce drops to nil, then the value will be in finding good
| content amongst a flood of sameness.
| asdev wrote:
| I speak for everyone when I say we don't need these videos at
| all and would be better off without them
| thorum wrote:
| I disagree, so not everyone, I guess!
| knowaveragejoe wrote:
| I love the aesthetic in this person's videos, I just wish it
| wasn't on tiktok :(
| squidsoup wrote:
| The problem is, it isn't their aesthetic, it's a
| resynthesis of the aesthetic of someone else's work.
| typon wrote:
| This is terrible
| citizenpaul wrote:
| Those videos look like some teenager thoughtlessly applying
| an aftereffects filter(whatever) to 1000 short selfie videos.
| On What planet would this require a Hollywood budget and
| years? Who are you shilling for exactly? Do you really
| believe what you write.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Can it generate an analog clock displaying a given time?
| martypitt wrote:
| Even if it can't, that wouldn't make this demo any less
| impressive.
| gvv wrote:
| Any idea if or when it will be available in EU?
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sora-by-openai/id6744034028
|
| edit: as per usual it's not yet...
| aaroninsf wrote:
| Someone who doesn't follow the moving edge would be forgiven for
| being confused by the dismissive criticism dominating this thread
| so far.
|
| It's not that I disagree with the criticism; it's rather that
| when you live on the moving edge it's easy to lose track of the
| fact that things like this are _miraculous_ and I know not a
| single person who thought we would get results "even" like this,
| this quickly.
|
| This is a forum frequented by people making a living on the edge
| --get it. But still, remember to enjoy a little that you are
| living in a time of miracles. I hope we have leave to enjoy that.
| cubefox wrote:
| Yeah. Just a few years ago, people here would have said stuff
| like that was decades away at best and pure science fiction at
| worst.
| qoez wrote:
| I know the comments here are gonna be negative but I just find
| this so sick and awesome. Feels like it's finally close to the
| potential we knew was possible a few years ago. Feels like a
| pixar moment when CG tech showed a new realm of what was possible
| with toy story
| m3kw9 wrote:
| No doubt they can create Hollywood quality clips if the tools
| are good enough to keep objects consistent, example, coming
| back to the same scene with same decor and also emotional
| consistency in actors
| gretch wrote:
| > keep objects consistent
|
| I think this is not nearly as important as most people think
| it is.
|
| In hollywood movies, everyone already knows about "continuity
| errors" - like when the water level of a glass goes up over
| time due to shots being spliced together. Sometimes shots
| with continuity errors are explicitly chosen by the editor
| because it had the most emotional resonance for the scene.
|
| These types of things rarely affect our human subjective
| enjoyment of a video.
|
| In terms of physics errors - current human CGI has physics
| errors. People just accept it and move on.
|
| We know that superman can't lift an airplane because all of
| that weight on a single point of the fuselage doesn't hold,
| but like whatever.
| inerte wrote:
| It all depends on quantity and "quality" of the continuity
| errors. There's even a job for it
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_supervisor
| ileonichwiesz wrote:
| Water level in a glass changing between shots is one thing,
| the protagonist's face and clothes changing is another.
| bbor wrote:
| Well put. Honestly the actor part is mostly solved by
| now, the tricky part is depicting any kind of believable,
| persistent space across different shots. Based off of
| amateur outputs from places like
| https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/, at least!
|
| This release is clearly capable of generating mind-
| blowingly realistic short clips, but I don't see any
| evidence that longer, multi-shot videos can be automated
| yet. With a professional's time and existing editing
| techniques, however...
| echelon wrote:
| Location consistency is important. Even something as
| simple and subtle as breaking the 180-rule [1] feels
| super uncanny to most audiences. Let alone changing the
| set the actor occupies, their wardrobe, props, etc.
|
| There are lots of tools being built to address this, but
| they're still immature.
|
| https://x.com/get_artcraft/status/1972723816087392450
| (This is something we built and are open sourcing - still
| has a ways to go.)
|
| ComfyUI has a lot of tools for this, they're just hard to
| use for most people.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule
| cryptoz wrote:
| I wonder if this stuff is trained on enough Hallmark movies
| that even AI actors will buy a hot coffee at a cafe and
| then proceed to flail the empty cup around like the humans
| do. Really takes me out of the scene every time - they
| can't even put water in the cup!?
| layer8 wrote:
| People got used to James Bond actors changing between
| movies, but from scene to scene in the same movie would be
| a bit confusing.
| beefnugs wrote:
| No way man, this is why i loved Mr Robot, they actually
| payed a real expert and worked story around realism and not
| just made up gobbleygook that shuts my brain off entirely
| to its nonsense
| loudmax wrote:
| These videos are a very impressive engineering feat. There are
| a lot of uses for this capability that will be beneficial to
| society, and in the coming years people will come up with more
| good uses nobody today has thought of yet.
|
| But clearly we also see some major downsides. We already have
| an epidemic of social media rotting people's minds, and
| everything about this capability is set to supercharge these
| trends. OpenAI addresses some of these concerns, but there's
| absolutely no reason to think that OpenAI will do anything
| other than what they perceive as whatever makes them the most
| money.
|
| An analogy would be a company coming up with a way to
| synthesize and distribute infinite high-fructose corn syrup.
| There are positive aspects to cheaply making sweet tasting
| food, but we can also expect some very adverse effects on
| nutritional health. Sora looks like the equivalent for the
| mind.
|
| There's an optimistic take on this fantastic new technology
| making the world a better place for all of us in the long run,
| after society and culture have adapted to it. It's going to be
| a bumpy ride before we get there.
| kimbler wrote:
| I actually wonder if this will kill off the social apps and
| the bragging that happens. It will be flooded by people
| faking themselves doing the unimaginable.
| artursapek wrote:
| This is also my thesis. The internet is going to be
| saturated with AI slop indiscernible from real content.
| Once it reaches a tipping point, there will no longer be
| much of a reason to consume the content at all. I think
| social networks that can authenticate video/photo/text
| content as human-created will be a major trend in a few
| years.
| Mariehane wrote:
| But then you're creating an incentive for the AI slop to
| become so realistic it is indistinguishable from actual
| video.
|
| Unless there some fundamental, technical way to
| distinguish the two, I wonder who would win?
| artursapek wrote:
| there would need to be cameras that can cryptographically
| sign videos with trusted vendor keys, or perhaps there is
| some other solution.
| fabrice_d wrote:
| This is what https://c2pa.org/ is for. I think some
| camera vendors already have support.
| sigbottle wrote:
| I regularly get AI movie recaps on my shorts and I just
| eat it up.
|
| The very fact that I (or billions of others) waste time
| on shorts is an issue. I don't even play _games_ anymore,
| it 's just shorts. That is a concerning rewiring of the
| brain :/
|
| Guess what I`m trying to say is that, there is a market
| out there. It's not pretty, but there certainly is.
|
| Will keep trying to not watch these damn shorts...
| sumeruchat wrote:
| there will be billions of people consuming the content
| larodi wrote:
| Depending on which internet you do mean, cause meta &
| insta are NOT THE Internet.
| layman51 wrote:
| I have no clue if the reactions are real, but there are
| some videos online of people showing their grandparents
| gameplay from Grand Theft Auto games trying to convince
| them that it is real footage. The point of the videos is
| to laugh at their reactions where they question if it
| really happened, etc.
|
| Maybe this will result in something similar, but it can
| affect more people who aren't as wary.
| hsuduebc2 wrote:
| Heh, fast forward a few years and nobody's surprised
| anymore when someone falls for a video which is the
| result of two sentences long instruction.
| dvngnt_ wrote:
| Right now with kids, the current trend is to prank their
| parents using Gemini into thinking they let a homeless
| guy in their house
|
| https://www.tiktok.com/discover/ai-homeless-people-in-my-
| hou...
| marcosdumay wrote:
| Yes, I wonder if the content distribution networks that
| call themselves "social networks" can even survive
| something like this.
|
| Of course, the ones focusing on the content can always
| editorialize the spam out. And in real social networks you
| ask your friends to stop making that much slop. But this
| can be finally the end of Facebook-like stuff.
| shoobiedoo wrote:
| > There are a lot of uses for this capability that will be
| beneficial to society
|
| Please enlighten me. What are they? If my elderly grandma is
| on her deathbed and I have no way to get to see her before
| she passes, will she get more warmth and fond memories of me
| with a clip of my figure riding an AI generated dragon saying
| goodbye, or a handwritten letter?
| bongodongobob wrote:
| What about a new electric guitar? Your grandma wouldn't
| want that on her deathbed so it's useless? Cmon man.
| shoobiedoo wrote:
| Still zero responses, eh? My example was charged but I
| clearly had a point: how does AI fill a void where
| meaning should be, over what has worked for centuries?
| How is it better than face to face, or a handwritten
| letter?
| bongodongobob wrote:
| I don't think anyone is saying it is.
| latexr wrote:
| > There are a lot of uses for this capability that will be
| beneficial to society
|
| Are there? "A lot" of them? Please name a few that will be
| more beneficial than the very obvious detrimental uses like
| "making up life-destroying lies about your political
| opponents or groups of people you want to vilify" or "getting
| away with wrongdoing by convincing the judge a real video of
| yourself is a deepfake".
|
| That last one has already ben tried, by the way.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/27/elon-
| musk...
| SchemaLoad wrote:
| It can generate funny videos of bald JD Vance and Harry
| Potter characters for TikTok. Which makes me wonder, what
| is the actual plan to make money off these models? Billions
| have been invested but the only thing they seem to be
| capable of is shitposting and manipulation. Where is the
| money going to come from?
| croes wrote:
| I already get enough AI spam and scam videos on social media. I
| don't need them to be better quality
| Scrapemist wrote:
| Pixar moment for me means a novel techonology evoking a
| profound emotional response for the first time. This was not
| it.
| linuxftw wrote:
| The ability for the masses to create any video just by
| typing, among the other features, is not novel technology? Or
| is it just the lack of emotional response?
| Scrapemist wrote:
| Yes, profound emotional response. There were cg animations
| before Pixar.
| varispeed wrote:
| I still feel this is limited by what it learned from. It looks
| cool but it also looks like something I'd dreamt or saw
| flicking through TV channels. Kind of like spam for the eyes.
| q3k wrote:
| It looks like it has been trained exclusively on car
| advertisement videos playing at airports.
| colesantiago wrote:
| > Feels like a pixar moment when CG tech showed a new realm of
| what was possible with toy story
|
| @qoez
|
| > The first entirely AI generated film (with Sora or other AI
| video tools) to win an Oscar will be less than 5 years away.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368951
|
| This prediction of mine was only 10 months ago.
|
| Imagine when we and if we get to 5 years.
| hansmayer wrote:
| Potential for what exactly? More of 30-sec slop?
| 1989labs wrote:
| Cool demo! But let's pour one out for all the weird, janky,
| hand crafted videos that made early internet so fun. Anyone
| else still crave that kind of content?
| jsnell wrote:
| Doing this as a social app somehow feels really gross, and I
| can't quite put to words why.
|
| Like, it should be _preferable_ to keep all the slop in the same
| trough. But it 's like they can't come up with even one
| legitimate use case, and so the best product they can build
| around the technology is to try to create an addictive loop of
| consuming nothing but auto-generated "empty-calories" content.
| pavon wrote:
| I see it more as recognizing that it will take time to be good
| enough for other use cases so for this release they are
| targeting it as just something to have fun with. After seeing
| LLMs crammed into everything whether it makes sense or not, I
| can appreciate that.
| dweekly wrote:
| So a social network that's 100% your friends doing silly AI
| things?
|
| I feel like this is the ultimate extension of "it feels like my
| feed is just the artificial version of what's happening my
| friends and doesn't really tell me anything about how they're
| actually faring."
| al_borland wrote:
| Social media also tends to highlight the best parts of people's
| lives, creating unrealistic expectations and views for those
| consuming it and looking at their real life. Now social media
| won't even be a highlight reel, but completely fabricated.
|
| I have to imagine there will be a rebellion against all of this
| at some point, when people simply can't take the false
| realities anymore. What is the alternative? Ready Player One?
| The Matrix? Wall-E?
| m3kw9 wrote:
| Which seem to level the play field, at least virtually
| al_borland wrote:
| Maybe inside of a social network specially for AI, but a
| concerning number of people don't realize images and videos
| are AI, even when it's bad AI. As it gets better, and
| starts integrating the poster's image (like Sora 2), that's
| going to get even worse.
| kjs3 wrote:
| Some people use filters/photoshop to artificially juice their
| images; now they can use AI to artificially juice every aspect
| of their on-line presence.
| doctorhandshake wrote:
| I built an MVP of this [1] with images (not video) and in more
| of an Instagram style (not tiktok) back in '22, with the
| tagline 'What if social media were literally fake?'
|
| I am bullish on this, albeit with major concerns in many
| domains. It was fun and addictive as hell with images. With
| video it will be wild.
|
| [1] https://hardwork.party/cheese/
| superfrank wrote:
| I just watched the announcement video and something about it
| just gives me the ick. The whole time I just had the uncanny
| valley feeling.
|
| The technology itself is super impressive, but a social media
| app of AI slop doesn't feel like the best use of it. I'm old
| enough to not really be interested in social media in general
| anymore, so maybe I'm just out of touch, but I just can't see
| this catching on. It feels like the type of thing that people
| will download, use a few times until the novelty wears off and
| then never open again.
| jpalomaki wrote:
| Sounds like a way to make everybody aware of Sora and its
| capabilities.
|
| I bet the real goal is to make money from long tail of
| corporate market ( ads, info videos etc).
| taytus wrote:
| Honest question: What problem does this solve?
| lawlessone wrote:
| Liberation of employers from the shackles of their employees
| martypitt wrote:
| Thing that was previously very expensive, manual and took a
| long time to do, and is done A LOT, is now made faster and
| cheaper by computers.
|
| Pretty much the same problem we all work on every day in
| $DAY_JOB.
| nextworddev wrote:
| Fun and games until someone uses a tool like this to scam
| your family
| lawlessone wrote:
| It's ok, they're making the market for anti-ai tools much
| much bigger. (whether those tools work or not is a
| different issue)
| smith7018 wrote:
| OpenAI needing something to show to investors to say "See, this
| is why we need $1T."
| andybak wrote:
| What problem does what solve? Video generation models in
| general or Sora 2 specifically?
| squidsoup wrote:
| It facilitates the generation of political propaganda.
| mempko wrote:
| It's obvious there is no way OpenAI can keep videos generated by
| this within their ecosystem. Everything will be fake, nothing
| real. We are going to have to change the way we interact with
| video. While it's obviously possible to fake videos today, it
| takes work by the creator and takes skill. Now it will take no
| skill so the obvious consequence of this is we can't believe
| anything we see.
|
| The worst part is we are already seeing bad actors saying 'I
| didn't say that' or 'I didn't do that, it was a deep fake'. Now
| you will be able to say anything in real life and use AI for
| plausible deniability.
| mmmrtl wrote:
| I think that's the point... Then world coin comes to the rescue
| roxolotl wrote:
| World coin is so delightfully dystopian. You could drop it
| wholesale into a superhero movie and it would be believable
| as the supervillain's plot.
| kjs3 wrote:
| _We are going to have to change the way we interact with
| video._
|
| I doubt it will be for the better. The ubiquity of AI deepfakes
| just reenforces entrenchment around "If the message reinforces
| my preconceived notion, I believe it and think anyone who calls
| it fake is stupid/my enemy/pushing an agenda. If the message
| contradicts my preconceived notion, it's obviously fake and
| anyone who believes it is stupid/my enemy/pushing an agenda.".
| People don't even take the time to think "is this even
| _plausible_ ", much less do the intellectual work to verify.
| armchairhacker wrote:
| Record things with 2 cameras.
|
| Today's Sora can produce something that resembles reality from
| a distance, but if you look closely, especially if there's
| another perspective or the scene is atypical, the flaws are
| obvious.
|
| Perhaps tomorrow's Sora will overcome the the "final 10%" and
| maintain undetectable consistency of objects in 2 perspectives.
| But that would require a spatial awareness and consistency that
| models still have a lot of trouble with.
| gdulli wrote:
| It's also possible we remain stuck in the uncanny valley
| forever, or at least for the rest of our lives.
|
| It's possible to produce _some_ video or image that looks real,
| cherry-picked for a demo, but not possible to produce any
| arbitrary one you want that will end up passable.
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| >Everything will be fake, nothing real. We are going to have to
| change the way we interact with video.
|
| I'm optimistic here.
|
| Look at 1900s tech like social security number/card, and paper
| birth certificates. Our world is changing and new systems of
| verification will be needed.
|
| I see this as either terribly dystopian - or - a possibility
| for the mass expansion of cryptography and encrypted/signed
| communication. Ideally in privacy preserving ways because
| nothing else will make as much sense when it comes to the
| verification that countries will need to give each other even
| if they want backdoor registry BS for the common man.
|
| Breaking changes get fixes.
| mike_hearn wrote:
| It's not that obvious. iOS is pretty secure, if they keep the
| social network and cameo feature limited to that there might
| not be good ways to export videos off the platform onto others
| beyond pointing a camera at the tablet screen. And beyond there
| being lots of ways to watermark stuff to be detectable, nothing
| stops the device using its own camera to try and spot if it's
| being recorded. The bar can be raised quite high as long as
| you're willing to exclude any device that isn't an iPhone/iPad.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| Find this sort of innovation far less interesting or exciting
| than the text & speech work, but it seems to be a primary driver
| of adoption for the median person in a way that text capability
| simply is not.
| liuliu wrote:
| Video generation is extremely exciting a.k.a. https://video-
| zero-shot.github.io/
|
| However, personalization (teleporting yourself into a video
| scene) is boring to me. At its core, it doesn't generate new
| experience to me. My experience is not defined by photos /
| videos I took on a trip.
| currymj wrote:
| I also can't think of a reason why I would ever want to look at
| an AI generated video.
|
| however as they hint at a little in the announcement, if video
| generation becomes good enough at simulating physics and
| environments realistically, that's very interesting for
| robotics.
| jablongo wrote:
| Sam Altman has made (for me) encouraging statements in the past
| about short-form video like TikTok being the best current example
| of misaligned AI. While this release references policies to
| combat "Doomscrolling and RL-sloptimization", it's curious that
| OpenAI would devote resources to building a social app based on
| AI generated short form video, which seems to be a core problem
| in our world. IMO you can't tweak the TikTok/YouTube shorts
| format and make it a societal good all of a sudden, especially
| with exclusively AI content. This is a disturbing development for
| Altman's leadership, and sort of explains what happened in 2023
| when they tried to remove him... -> says one thing, does the
| opposite.
| bigyabai wrote:
| Sam Altman is a businessman. His job is to say whatever
| assuages his market, and that includes gaslighting you when
| you're disgusted by AI.
|
| If you never expected Altman to be the figurehead of principled
| philosophy, none of this should surprise you. _Of course_ the
| startup alumni guy is going to project maligned expectations in
| the hopes of being a multi-trillion dollar company. The
| shareholders love that shit, Altman is applying the same
| lessons he learned at Worldcoin to a more successful business.
|
| There was never any question _why_ Altman was removed, in my
| mind. OpenAI outgrew it 's need for grifters, but the grifter
| hadn't yet outgrown his need for OpenAI.
| estearum wrote:
| > His job is to say whatever assuages his market
|
| I understand the cynicism but this is in fact _not_ the job
| of a businessman. We shouldn 't perpetuate the pathological
| meme that it is.
| bnop wrote:
| So the job of a businessman is not to increase shareholder
| value?
| estearum wrote:
| Nope. A CEO can't essentially _steal from_ shareholders,
| but otherwise they have extremely broad latitude in how
| they engage in business.
|
| There is no legal or moral imperative to make antisocial,
| unethical, or short term decisions that "maximize
| shareholder value."
|
| This is something that morally weak people tell
| themselves (and others) to justify the depravity they're
| willing to sink to in order to satiate their greed.
|
| The concept doesn't even make sense: different
| shareholders have different priorities and time horizons.
| A businessperson has no way to know what it _objectively_
| means to maximize their returns. They must make a
| subjective determination, and they have extremely broad
| latitude to do that.
| bnop wrote:
| If I run an AI business, then people using more AI means
| more business. If noone uses my AI then I go out of
| business
|
| Increasing shareholder value can be done in the broadest
| sense by just increasing business
|
| If I fund my own business, I can control growth and
| _choose_ ethics over profits, in the hope that stunting
| growth is acceptable if my customers value ethics too,
| and that whomever I someday pass my company to shares
| these values
|
| If I take capital investment, I now have a contractual
| agreement to provide returns on that investment. Yes
| failure to adhere can result in lawsuits or legal
| penalties. Or I can be fired/voted out for failing to
| bring high enough returns. I now _cannot_ choose ethics
| over profits, due to the conflict of interest of self-
| preservation
|
| So you are correct - there is no legal or moral contract
| to behave unethically, but there is instead a strong
| systemic and self-preserving incentive to do so
|
| I think we almost agree here, but you make it sound as if
| the exec can simply stand up and do the right thing here.
| I argue the exec will simply be pushed aside for another
|
| This is what people refer to when they talk about the
| binds that hold modern day mega-corps
|
| If you yourself are an exec, I personally think you can
| understand these truths and work with them as best you
| can, and still be a good human being of course, but that
| there are lines that should not be crossed to keep a job
|
| It is a collective issue we need to solve that of course
| starts with each individual seeing the true situation
| with kindness and compassion
| estearum wrote:
| You're just saying there are incentives for unethical
| behavior? Yeah, obviously.
|
| They don't need to be excused by "well that's their
| obligation." It's not! Actually, a person's obligation is
| to act morally even when there are incentives otherwise,
| which is approximately all the time for nearly every
| person.
|
| This is something children learn (lest they be excluded
| from their society) yet Very Smart People in the upper
| echelons of the business world conveniently forget.
|
| > If I take capital investment, I now have a contractual
| agreement to provide returns on that investment. Yes
| failure to adhere can result in lawsuits or legal
| penalties.
|
| This is not true. If you've signed a contract that says
| anything like this, consider getting a real lawyer.
| jablongo wrote:
| To be clear I'm not disgusted by AI in general, I'm disgusted
| by short form video and AI/ML in service of dopamine reward
| loop hacking.
| pants2 wrote:
| I'm optimistic about the Sora app! My hope is that it becomes
| much more whimsical and fun than TikTok because everyone on the
| app knows that all content is fake. Hopefully that means less
| rage-bait and more creative content, like OG YouTube. Nobody's
| going to get their news from Sora because it's literally 100%
| fake.
| lxgr wrote:
| > it becomes much more whimsical and fun than TikTok because
| everyone on the app knows that all content is fake.
|
| Sounds about as plausible as "ironically taking heroin".
|
| > Nobody's going to get their news from Sora because it's
| literally 100% fake.
|
| I'm with Neal Stephenson ("Fall", in this case) on this
| prediction, although I really hope I'm wrong.
| lxgr wrote:
| That said... does anyone have an invite code?
| monkeywork wrote:
| Would also love an invite code if anyone has one.
| jablongo wrote:
| Why would it be more like OG YouTube, when the content they
| demoed very closely resembles YouTube shorts? The key
| difference is OG YouTube was long form.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| > much more whimsical and fun than TikTok
|
| In the early years everyone told me that TikTok is actually
| fun and whimsical (like just after it stopped being
| musical.ly), and it's all about fun collaboration, and
| amateur comedy sketches, fun dances and lipsyncs, and people
| posting fun reactions to each other etc, all lighthearted and
| that social media is finally fun again!
| bigyabai wrote:
| > Hopefully that means less rage-bait
|
| I have seen what people generate with AI, and I do not have
| good news for you.
| xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote:
| >IMO you can't tweak the TikTok/YouTube shorts format and make
| it a societal good all of a sudden, especially with exclusively
| AI content.
|
| I agree. At best, short videos can be entertainment that
| destroys your attention span. Anything more is impossible. Even
| if there were no bad actors producing the content, you can't
| condense valuable information into this format.
| modeless wrote:
| I can see it being interesting to create wacky fake videos of
| your friends for a week or two, but why would people still be
| using this next year?
|
| I watch videos for two reasons. To see real things, or to consume
| interesting stories. These videos are not real, and the
| storytelling is still very limited.
| derac wrote:
| I'm no Nostradamus, but I predict these models will be much
| better in a year.
| pr337h4m wrote:
| soft porn
| qingcharles wrote:
| You only watch real things? Have you never watched a movie?
| modeless wrote:
| > or to consume interesting stories
| FergusArgyll wrote:
| In the right hands it's a new art medium. Some (few, maybe)
| midjourney generations are serious art.
|
| So, for the same reason you'd go to a local art gallery
| bonoboTP wrote:
| A lot of realslop is fake too. As in staged but pretended as
| real for rage bait or annoyance bait. Or stupid shaggy dog
| story videos, where it seems like the thing will happen any
| moment now and then nothing happens.
|
| One recent disillusionment for me was that lots of police body
| cam content is fake, as in basically amateur actors trying to
| enact a realistic police stop, they even put the usual bodycam
| numbers and letters and axos logo in the corner etc.
|
| And so many other videos of things happening in the street are
| more or less obviously fake and staged. Still 90% probably
| don't notice.
| mempko wrote:
| It's obvious there is no way OpenAI can keep videos generated by
| this within their ecosystem. Everything will be fake, nothing
| real. We are going to have to change the way we interact with
| video. While it's obviously possible to fake videos today, it
| takes work by the creator and takes skill. Now it will take no
| skill so the obvious consequence of this is we can't believe
| anything we see.
|
| The worst part is we are already seeing bad actors saying 'I
| didn't say that' or 'I didn't do that, it was a deep fake'. Now
| you will be able to say anything in real life and use AI for
| plausible deniability.
|
| I predict a re-resurgence in life performances. Live music and
| live theater. People are going to get tired of video content when
| everything is fake.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The Sora 2 livestream indicates that videos exported from the
| app will have visual watermarks.
| ileonichwiesz wrote:
| Sure, then you just pump it through another model that
| removes watermarks.
| mempko wrote:
| I predict a re-resurgence in life performances. Live music and
| live theater. People are going to get tired of video content when
| everything is fake.
| nextworddev wrote:
| One would think, but people are spending less on live events
| due to costs
| volkk wrote:
| likely because we haven't yet reached peak slop/exhaustion by
| slop. Soon enough...soon enough
| rvz wrote:
| Buying lots of calls on Live Nation.
| nextworddev wrote:
| Most of human crafted shorts / reels are already slop.
| simonw wrote:
| Anyone with access able to confirm if you can start this with a
| still image and a prompt?
|
| The recent Google Veo 3 paper "Video models are zero-shot
| learners and reasoners" made a fascinating argument for video
| generation models as multi-purpose computer vision tools in the
| same way that LLMs are multi-purpose NLP tools. https://video-
| zero-shot.github.io/
|
| It includes a bunch of interesting prompting examples in the
| appendix, it would be interesting to see how those work against
| Sora 2.
|
| I wrote some notes on that paper here:
| https://simonwillison.net/2025/Sep/27/video-models-are-zero-...
| andrewguenther wrote:
| Yes, you can start with a still and a prompt
| andybak wrote:
| I've got used to immediately checking availability. In this case
| - iPhone app is US + Canada only and the website is invite only.
|
| Going back to sleep. Wake me up when it's available to me.
| outlore wrote:
| in a computer graphics course i took, we looked through how
| popular film stories were tied to the technical achievements of
| that era. for example, toy story was an story born from the new
| found ability to render plastics effectively. similarly, the sora
| video seems to showcase a particular set of slow moving scenes
| (or when fast, disappearing into fluid water and clouds) which
| seem characteristic of this technology at the current moment in
| time
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45428122
| dang wrote:
| Comments moved thither. Thanks!
|
| Edit: looks like this post was actually first, so maybe we'll
| reverse the merge
| gorgoiler wrote:
| Impressively high level of continuity. The only errors I could
| really call out are:
|
| 1/ 0m23s: The moon polo players begin with the red coat rider
| putting on a pair of gloves, but they are not wearing gloves in
| the left-vs-right charge-down.
|
| 2/ 1m05s: The dragon flies up the coast with the cliffs on one
| side, but then the close-up has the direction of flight reversed.
| Also, the person speaking seemingly has their back to the
| direction of flight. (And a stripy instead of plain shirt and a
| harness that wasn't visible before.)
|
| 3/ 1m45s: The ducks aren't taking the right hand corner into the
| straightaway. They are heading into the wall.
|
| I do wonder what the workflow will be for fixing any more
| challenging continuity errors.
| fferen wrote:
| Very first frame of the video: green digital text is messed up.
| Stopped watching after that :)
| yoavm wrote:
| The whole pool the ducks are racing at is a completely
| different pool when Sam starts talking.
| cogman10 wrote:
| The snowmobiles were different in each cut. The shape, color,
| and style of the lights were different.
| fwip wrote:
| Not sure if it counts as a continuity error, but in the example
| "Prompt: Martial artist doing a bo-staff kata waist-deep in a
| koi pond", his wooden staff changes shape several times,
| resembling a bow at points. That was the first example I
| noticed as "clearly AI."
| mNovak wrote:
| The Bo staff in the koi pond also seems to involve some
| impossible wrist movements
| tootie wrote:
| The fact that this is their demo to the world and it's full of
| errors implies that average users will only get worse results.
| gorgoiler wrote:
| I'm wary of being that damning, this early. What I want to
| know is, should my video have these kinds of continuity
| errors, how easily can I fix them?
|
| It's ok for this to be a fun toy. (And fun toy while also
| being an astonishing piece of engineering.) But if it wants
| to push beyond fun toy then it would be interesting to see
| how that process works.
|
| Will Sora2 help me sketch out a movie for me, doing 10% of
| the work where I have to reshoot the other 90% for real, or
| will it get me 90% there leaving me only 10% left to do "by
| hand"?
|
| (This is the exact same question, I believe, which is being
| asked of the maintenance burden imposed by vibe coded
| products. They get you 90% then fail spectacularly leaving
| you having to do the bulk of the work again? Or they get you
| 90% of the way and you int have to fill in the gaps to reach
| a stable long term product?)
| tootie wrote:
| I don't see how this is usable for making like a feature
| film. Editing will be impossible. At best it will be for
| ads. At worst for making social media slop.
| xenobeb wrote:
| It is not even just the errors. These video models are really
| impressive as long as you don't actually have something in
| your head you want to make. Then the laughable limitations
| are on full display.
|
| I will believe it when I see because Sora 1 is probably the
| most disappointing technology given what I thought it was
| going to be that I can even think of. I waited forever for it
| and then barely used it because it sucks.
| cogman10 wrote:
| The video was slam cut together to avoid continuity problems.
| There was a lot of fast camera motion and unconnected scenes.
|
| Particularly bad was the snowmobile sequence. It was literally
| a different snowmobile in every cut.
|
| The racing pool duck scene was a different pool in every shot.
|
| About the only consistent thing was the faces that were spliced
| into the scenes.
|
| I do not really see anything super significant in the demo. It
| looks like this suffers from all the same problems of AI
| generated video. They just hid it by avoiding more then 5
| seconds in the same setting.
| thefourthchime wrote:
| It definitely seems like a state-of-the-art model, but the
| sound having an underwater effect is the biggest tell. How long
| can it keep a scene going without things falling apart?
| willahmad wrote:
| I wonder about the implications of this tech.
|
| State of the things with doom scrolling was already bad, add to
| it layoffs and replacing people with AI (just admit it, interns
| are struggling competing with Claude Code, Cursor and Codex)
|
| What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time
| watching non-sense AI generated content?
|
| I am genuinely curious, because I was and still excited about AI,
| until I saw how doom scrolling is getting worse
| m3kw9 wrote:
| I'm wondering how they really prevent uploads of other peoples
| faces if they take a clip of a video of another person. I'm
| sure Apple didn't open up the 3d Face ID scanning to them to
| verify
| pixl97 wrote:
| >What's coming next? Bunch of people, with lots of free time
| watching non-sense AI generated content?
|
| Wasn't this always the outcome of the post labor economy?
|
| For this discussion lets just say that AI+Robots could replace
| most human labor and thinking. What do people do? Entertainment
| is going to be the number one time consumer.
| anshumankmr wrote:
| Paid by what?
| quantumHazer wrote:
| > just admit it, interns are struggling competing with Claude
| Code, Cursor and Codex
|
| They are not. This is false, zirp ended, this is the problem.
| Not LLMs.
| willahmad wrote:
| Of course primary cause could be ZIRP, but AI definitely
| accelerated the problem.
|
| Interns at big tech maybe impacted less, because their
| systems are so complex, but when I look at job boards or talk
| with engineers I see they're mentioning interns less, AI
| assisted coding more.
|
| Bar for the interns is higher now, why do I need 3 interns to
| polish the product if I can complete 70% of the job with AI
| and hire 1 intern to fix other parts
| rhubarbtree wrote:
| I know from a dev bootcamp that you are certainly wrong.
|
| However, I also think ai coding is hyped way beyond its
| capability.
| quantumHazer wrote:
| > dev bootcamp
|
| i will not comment any further
| rhubarbtree wrote:
| Not sure your reply warrants any further expenditure of
| effort on my part, but for the benefit of other readers:
|
| The bootcamp (actually, evening classes in coding run in
| cooperation with the public sector) regularly placed
| graduates with employers.
|
| They've seen a big hit in this since AI, and companies
| have explicitly cited the fact that AI can complete the
| same tasks that these junior devs used to perform.
| bopbopbop7 wrote:
| Try to provide some evidence first that AI is replacing people
| and that interns are struggling to compete with an LLM.
| ElijahLynn wrote:
| "download the Sora app"
|
| click
|
| takes me to the iPhone app store...
| m3kw9 wrote:
| I'm eagerly awaiting for some unexpected social problems this
| crops up
| sudohalt wrote:
| Now videos will be generated on the fly based on your preference.
| You will never put your phone down, it will detect when your sad
| or happy and generate videos accordingly
| intended wrote:
| That dragon flew backwards at one point didnt it.
|
| Impressive that THAT was one of the issues to find, given where
| we were at the start of the year.
| adidoit wrote:
| Impressive tech. Don't love the likely societal implications.
| joshdavham wrote:
| Will something like Sora 2 actually be used in Hollywood
| productions? If so, what types of scenes?
|
| I imagine it won't necessarily be used in long scenes with subtle
| body language, etc involved. But maybe it'll be used in other
| types of scenes?
| gamegoblin wrote:
| I saw a famous actor-director (can't remember who, but an
| A-list guy) said it would be super valuable even if you only
| use it for establishing shots.
|
| Like you have an exterior shot of a cabin, the surrounding
| environment, etc -- all generated. Then you jump inside which
| can be shot on a traditional set in a studio.
|
| Getting that establishing shot in real life might cost $30K to
| find a location, get the crew there, etc. Huge boon to indie
| films on a budget, but being able to endlessly tweak the shot
| is valuable even for productions that could afford to do it
| IRL.
| esafak wrote:
| Probably Ben Affleck.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypURoMU3P3U
| deelowe wrote:
| Wow. What an intelligent take. I would have never expected
| this from Ben Affleck. He seems extremely familiar with the
| technology and it's capabilities and limits.
| gamegoblin wrote:
| Searched around and found it. It was actually Ashton
| Kutcher's interview with Eric Schmidt.
|
| Kutcher mentions the establishing shots, and I'd forgotten
| also points out the utility for relatively short stunt
| sequences.
|
| > Why would you go out and shoot an establishing shot of a
| house in a television show when you could just create the
| establishing shot for $100? To go out and shoot it would
| cost you thousands of dollars.
|
| > Action scenes of me jumping off of this building, you
| don't have to have a stunt person go do it, you could just
| go do it [with AI].
| echelon wrote:
| Casey Affleck is currently shooting a horror vampire period
| piece using Comfy UI and an Unreal Engine Volume. The AI is
| used for the background plates. It's just a test, but it's
| happening right now.
|
| Jason Blum is also getting really into the tech.
| plastic3169 wrote:
| People use these for sure but the biggest problem with these I
| feel is that they produce "finished shots" with 8 bit colors
| and heavy grading. It's hard to mix it with the other material
| which actually looks quite bland while it is being worked on.
| Would be great if somebody would train a model on raw footage.
| cubefox wrote:
| I think it will mainly be used for inpainting and outpainting,
| i.e. for adding and removing stuff in a scene. Things that
| currently have to be done with relatively expensive CGI. More
| complex things, especially things that have to look identical
| between scenes, or have to look a very specific way, will still
| require filming or classical CGI, or both. (For now.)
| basisword wrote:
| Tens of billions in funding and they've just built a modern
| version of JibJab[1]. Can't wait to start receiving this in
| reply-all family emails.
|
| [1] https://youtu.be/z8Q-sRdV7SY?si=NjuyzL1zzq6IWPAe
| simonw wrote:
| The main lesson I learned from the March ChatGPT image generation
| launch - which signed up 100 million new users in the first week
| - is that people _love_ being able to generate images of their
| friends and family (and pets).
|
| I expect the "cameo" feature is an attempt at capturing that
| viral magic a second time.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Fortunately, you don't need permission from pets to use them in
| an AI video. (unless PETA objects)
| thefourthchime wrote:
| Nano Banana finally got people to install Gemini.
| stogot wrote:
| Since when have to install Gemini? I've been using it via the
| web
| KeplerBoy wrote:
| A surprisingly large number of people use only installable
| apps. It's a crazy world out there.
| cloudking wrote:
| Most people in the world only have a phone, no computer.
| Their window to software is the App Store or Play Store.
| colonial wrote:
| Cool - now let's see how much it costs in compute to generate a
| single clip. (Also, notice how no individual scene is longer than
| a handful of seconds?)
| bergheim wrote:
| We are just heading for Lovely All TM.
|
| I kid.
|
| Art should require effort. And by that I mean effort on the part
| of the artist. Not environmental damage. I am SO tired of non
| tech friends SWOONING me with some song they made in 0.3 seconds.
| I tell them, sarcastically, that I am indeed very impressed with
| their endeavors.
|
| I know many people will disagree with me here, but I would be
| _heart broken_ if it turned out someone like Nick Cave was AI
| generated.
|
| And of course this goes into a philosophical debate. What does it
| matter if it was generated by AI?
|
| And that's where we are heading. But for me I feel effort is
| required, where we are going means close to 0 effort required.
| Someone here said that just raises the bar for good movies. I say
| that mostly means we will get 1 billion movies. Most are "free"
| to produce and displaces the 0.0001% human made/good stuff. I
| dunno. Whoever had the PR machine on point got the blockbuster.
| Not weird, since the studio tried 300 000 000 of them at the same
| time.
|
| Who the fuck wants that?
|
| I feel like that ship in Wall-E. Let's invest in slurpies.
|
| Anyway; AI is here and all of that, we are all embracing it. Will
| be interesting to see how all this ends once the fallout lands.
|
| Sorry for a comment that feels all over the place; on the tram :)
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| "if it's not worth [writing/playing/painting...], it's not
| worth [reading/listening/looking...]"
| bergheim wrote:
| I had a friend over for my last birthday before going to a
| venue. He had a huge framed painting he had made. It made me
| cry.
|
| A prompt delivered by Amazon drones would obviously not be
| the same lovely moment.
|
| So yes, I agree.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| It's fitting that they host the video on Youtube, since that is
| where all of their training data came from.
| stan_kirdey wrote:
| That could totally power next generation of green-screen techs.
| Generative actors may not find favorable response in the
| audiences; but SFX, decor, extras, environments that react to
| actors' actions - amazing potential.
| portaouflop wrote:
| You can already do really cool stuff in this area "old" tech
| like stable diffusion. Not realistic or anything but really
| cool looking/morphing images
| adventured wrote:
| At least in terms of realism, the image generation field is
| at the realism line now. Single frame generation with Wan 2.1
| / 2.2 (and others) for example, will get you realism.
| zarzavat wrote:
| I can see that future generations are going to think that I'm
| boomer for preferring the performances of real actors instead
| of AI slop.
|
| The music industry already went through this with AutoTune and
| we know how that turned out.
| poisonarena wrote:
| >The music industry already went through this with AutoTune
| and we know how that turned out.
|
| they use it, everyone uses it, it got better to the point
| where most people dont know its used, ever heard of melodyne?
| well AI made it even better.
|
| And then there has been about 20 years of people using it
| even as their style of music, notably in hip hop, reggaeton,
| urbano, country, etc.
|
| Boomers like to think it was just an annoying fad in
| 2008-2011 or something, but it never went away, now everyone
| uses it, whether obvious or not
| r_lee wrote:
| I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we
| shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not
| real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because
| they're not real etc.
|
| It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make
| you good tracks.
| Rudybega wrote:
| I think AI is starting to verge on making actual good
| music. The latest Suno release is wild.
|
| An example here: https://v.redd.it/fqlqrgumo5rf1
|
| I find this one interesting because Rap has classically
| been difficult for these models (I think because it's
| technically difficult to find the right rhythms and flow
| for a given set of lyrics).
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I wonder what the prompt was for that.
| r_lee wrote:
| The instrumental part is quite interesting but the
| lyrics/vocals...
|
| it's just AI slop, like the median
|
| like if you just put a bunch of words together and
| shipped that. Quantity was never what people wanted imo.
|
| It is impressive if the instrumental track was made with
| just some prompts though
| Rudybega wrote:
| I actually think the vocals from ~2:00-~2:35 are pretty
| impressive there. It's wild to me that the models can
| play with tempo like that.
|
| I've been listening to this across a variety of genres
| though, maybe these lyrics and vocals are more to your
| taste:
|
| (similar to Opeth) https://suno.com/song/9ab8da05-c3f2-41
| 2d-80b4-c7d0b3ae840f?s...
|
| (indie rock) https://suno.com/song/756dd139-4cba-4e40-b29
| c-03ace1c69673
| r_lee wrote:
| I don't know but it doesn't impress me one bit? like I'm
| not trying to hate, but it just seems kind of like the
| model is given the track and then it tries to just follow
| it by matching words and then spitting them out, like as
| if it could talk about making a sandwich over some epic
| track and it'd sound the same?
|
| like, LLMs are fantastic at generating patterns, so words
| that match and same with images etc.
|
| But there's not much uniqueness? it's "impressive" like a
| savantic kind of ability to come up with rap, but it
| doesn't really product something I'd want to listen to..?
|
| I listened to the metal thing and kind of the same thing?
|
| It's very high fidelity, like the quality of the drums
| and etc it's quite impressive, but the vocals seem off?
| it's like a poem being read by TTS then transformed into
| "metal voice"
|
| and kind of just an averaging of "metal music" kind of
| like stock photos and into a track, very formulaic
|
| not to mention many metal bands etc they do formulaic
| stuff especially if they have an identifying kind of hit
|
| But to me this is cool tech, but I wouldn't listen to it
|
| I've listened music for a long time but I don't listen to
| a wide variety today, however for example with pop it can
| be very complex or very simple, but average or "almost"
| will really not make a good song, it can seem simple in
| hindsight but probably blood sweat and tears went into
| such songs, or creative energy that might never come back
| as strong.
|
| just my raw thoughts though. it could be me being biased
| knowing it's AI, but I don't think so. I think my brain
| has kind of adapted to a point where I can feel if
| something is AI because it always seems super
| "average"/mid?
| Rudybega wrote:
| I'd love to see a blind study comparing a wide spectrum
| of these AI tracks to lesser known real artists (so the
| participants don't just recognize the songs) to see
| whether people can tell or if knowledge of the source
| biases them. I'm genuinely curious as to the results.
|
| I don't think people would think anything strange of a
| lot of these tracks if they just randomly heard them on
| the radio.
| zarzavat wrote:
| When you listen to music that has been AutoTuned, you don't
| know if the singer can actually... sing. If you put them in
| a room and asked them to sing a song without artificial
| aid, would you actually enjoy their performance or not? You
| don't know!
|
| This marked a divergence from thousands of years of vocal
| performances where singing ability and enjoyment of the
| music were one and the same.
|
| AutoTune was the first slop, and the general population
| seems to like it.
| tsimionescu wrote:
| The arguments against auto-tune are typically different,
| since it's obvious to anyone that autotune can't make you
| sound like a soprano if you're nowhere near - so skill is
| still required.
|
| The problem with autotune is more that it removes a lot
| of nuance from singers' voices, it's like listening to
| MIDI instead of listening to a real piano. This is,
| however, something that can be improved. Synthesizers can
| produce wonderful musical effects, and there's lots of
| highly virtuoso music on synthesizers (including voice
| distortions, pretty similar technically to autotune) for
| those that are into it. Progrock, for example, was all
| about using new technology in complex and extremely
| interesting ways. Maybe more interestingly for your
| particular objection, you can look at early electronic
| music, say Vangelis or Isao Tomita or Kraftwerk. For at
| least parts of their songs, they could have just
| programmed their synthesizers ahead of time and played
| concerts without even being on stage - but that doesn't
| take away from the fact the music itself.
|
| Ultimately, if the music sounds good and elicits some
| feelings and thoughts, it's good music. Whether the
| musicians can reproduce it live or it's done 90% in a
| studio doesn't really matter here. Of course, it does
| mean it may not be worth going to a live show from some
| particular performer, and it also means that the
| performer is not necessarily the most relevant artist -
| the person programming the "auto"tune should at least be
| considered part of the band.
| r_lee wrote:
| That's like saying movies are not good cause they're not
| live action-only performances
|
| For me the biggest thing is actually the production,
| there's many people involved usually and sometimes real
| magic gets made, and that magic might not even contain
| any vocals at first
|
| like what is acceptable music? only raw vocals & acoustic
| instruments?
| kfajdsl wrote:
| > The music industry already went through this with AutoTune
| and we know how that turned out.
|
| Yeah, it turned out that almost all mainstream tracks
| nowadays have post-processing on vocals (the extent varying
| between genres and styles).
| bongodongobob wrote:
| I don't understand why you think you'll be able to tell that
| far from now.
| Tiktaalik wrote:
| There's less here than you think. Video games have already been
| procedurally generating environment art for quite some time,
| and film/tv are already leveraging that with giant screens that
| use Unreal Engine to create the backgrounds.
|
| AI could be helpful here, but it's not clear that it is
| required or an improvement.
| thebiglebrewski wrote:
| Can this be used to make hyper-realistic video games, or it's not
| that real-time yet?
| dagaci wrote:
| Amazing. iOS only, with region restrictions in 2025.
| asadm wrote:
| considering legal foolishness of EU, this is the right move.
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| > Sora is not available in Puerto Rico yet
|
| I love the casual reminds that we're second-class citizens each
| time a new technology gets released. Available in the US but
| always excluding Puerto Rico.
| GaggiX wrote:
| The model's quality is incredible, but more tools are needed to
| take advantage of its capabilities, this is kinda the magic of
| open models.
| barbarr wrote:
| Instagram reels are gonna get crazy
| artursapek wrote:
| You see the one with the dolphin on the trampoline?
| ashu1461 wrote:
| Those `nature is amazing type of videos` are already flooded
| with AI
| MangoToupe wrote:
| Interesting that they're going with a "copyright opt-out":
| https://www.reuters.com/technology/openais-new-sora-video-ge...
|
| I guess copyright is pretty much dead now that the economy relies
| on violating it. Too bad those of us not invested into AI still
| won't be able to freely trade data as we please....
| alkonaut wrote:
| How far out are we from doing this in real time? What's the
| processing/rendering time per frame?
| kachapopopow wrote:
| could already do it in real time by dimming the lightbulbs of a
| city or two.
| neom wrote:
| https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/genie-3-a-new-frontier...
| beders wrote:
| Can I finally redo the Star Wars sequels with this? :)
| crims0n wrote:
| Didn't Star Wars end in 2005?
| d--b wrote:
| Ok that's technically really impressive, and probably totally
| unusable in a real creativity context beyond stupid ads and
| politically-motivated deepfakes.
| deng wrote:
| As usual: impressive until you look close. Just freeze the frame
| and you see all the typical slop errors: pretty much any kind of
| writing is a garbled mess (look at the camera in the beginning).
| The horn of the unicorn sits on the bridle. The buttons on Sam's
| circus uniform hover in the air. There are candleholders with
| somehow candles inside as well as on top. The miniature
| instruments often make no sense. The conductor has 4 fingers on
| one hand and 5 on the other. The cheers of the audience is
| basically brown noise. Nedless to say, if you freeze the
| audience, hands are literally all over the place. Of course,
| everything conveniently has a ton of motion blur so you cannot
| see any detail.
|
| I know, I know. Most people don't care. How exciting.
| rendleflag wrote:
| Is your complaint that it has errors? I mean look at what it
| can do. This is a freaking computer generating things from
| scratch based on a prompt. Two years ago, technology like this
| was so much worse and could only generate basic images and
| videos. Now it can generate visuals all from the text someone
| puts in.
|
| Anyone, literally anyone, can use it (eventually) to generate
| incredible scenes. Imagine the person who comes up with a short
| film about an epic battle between griffins and aliens...Or a
| simple story of a boy walking in the woods with their dog...Or
| a story of a first kiss. Previously people were limited to what
| they had at hand. They couldn't produce a video because it was
| too costly. Now they can craft a video to meet their vision.
|
| I do find it exciting.
| deng wrote:
| > Is your complaint that it has errors?
|
| Well, yes? There's a reason why everything that was produced
| with these tools so far is garbage: because no one actually
| caring about their art would accept these things. Art is a
| deliberate thing, it takes effort. These tools are fine for
| company training videos and TikToks. Of course a few years
| ago this was science fiction. They are immensely impressive
| from a technical perspective. Two things can be true.
| bopbopbop7 wrote:
| There is that magic word again, "eventually". When is that?
| The same time we get warp drives?
| ascorbic wrote:
| This is super cool and fun and will almost certainly be really
| bad for society in loads of different ways. From the descriptions
| of all the guardrails they're needing to put in it seems like
| they know it too.
| bbor wrote:
| Glad to see someone is looking out for a forest, here. A
| diverse host of excuses have cropped up to explain away the
| anxiety AGI brings, and I totally understand why. Yet again,
| today we stare into the abyss. Sora 2
| represents significant progress towards [AGI]. In keeping with
| OpenAI's mission, it is important that humanity benefits from
| these models as they are developed.
|
| This seems like a good time to remind ourselves of the original
| OpenAI charter:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230714043611/https://openai.co...
|
| I wonder how exactly they reconcile the quote above with "We
| are concerned about late-stage AGI development becoming a
| competitive race without time for adequate safety
| precautions"...
| nurettin wrote:
| I am not for or against AGI, but why is there anxiety around
| it? Do people simply hear sales rhetoric and assume that it
| can exist and will be used in order to dominate their lives?
| bbor wrote:
| I'm not referencing sales rhetoric, I'm referencing
| scientific consensus. AGI will have the same kind of impact
| on our species as fire and electricity did. We stand at a
| crossroads between unimaginable success and enormous
| catastrophe...
| nurettin wrote:
| Well, good luck with that, hopefully it will learn to
| spell blueberry.
| askl wrote:
| But think of all the 0 legitimate use cases for this
| technology.
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| So being able to generate sign language videos for people who
| cannot hear is not a legitimate use case for AI videos? Or is
| your hate boner for AI just blinding you from useful
| applications?
| umanwizard wrote:
| Why can't sign language be written? Why does it need to be
| on video?
| ascorbic wrote:
| There isn't a standard written form of any major sign
| languages
| umanwizard wrote:
| Yes, but there's no fundamental reason why there couldn't
| be one. It's not a good reason to accept all the
| downsides of AI.
| vunderba wrote:
| AI is irrelevant to the reason why there isn't a written
| version of every single national dialect of sign
| language. The reason it doesn't exist is because it would
| serve no purpose (source: many deaf friends). Deaf
| communities learn the country's writing system just like
| everyone else.
|
| The closest thing out there is SignWriting [1] which has
| about as much traction in the real world as esperanto.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SignWriting
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| ASL would be the target, but also the hand motions might
| not be universal to convey.
| vunderba wrote:
| The real question is... what is the advantage of written
| sign language versus... normal writing? I think a lot of
| people are confused and think that there is only _one_
| universal form of sign language used worldwide [1].
|
| Second problem is that sign language is heavily
| influenced with corresponding facial expressions, body
| language, the motion of the hands, even how _emphatic_
| the motions are. Trying to approximate what is
| effectively a _SPATIAL_ language into written glyphs
| feels like a complete waste of time.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages
| umanwizard wrote:
| > what is the advantage of written sign language
| versus... normal writing
|
| If your native language is French, why might you prefer
| things to be written in French rather than, say, Swahili?
| vunderba wrote:
| I feel like we might be talking past each other but it is
| funny that you chose French and Swahili. [1]
|
| The point is that _" SIGN LANGUAGE"_ is idiomatic to the
| native speaker's tongue. So if you're going to take the
| time to create a specialized written form of it, you can
| just write using the native language which can be read by
| BOTH the Deaf and non-Deaf community.
|
| Deaf people are not magically _illiterate_.
|
| Creating a written sign language serves no value since it
| is just a crappier version of the normal written
| equivalent.
|
| So there's not a lot of value in creating a written form
| of say the French Sign Language because _you can just use
| French._
|
| Swahili regions have multiple types of sign language
| including Kenyan Sign Language.
|
| [1]
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Sign_Language
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_Sign_Language
| umanwizard wrote:
| > The point is that "SIGN LANGUAGE" is idiomatic to the
| native speaker's tongue.
|
| No, this is not true. French and French Sign Language are
| totally unrelated languages. Sign languages generally
| have little to do with the spoken language of the country
| they're used in, that's why for example American Sign
| Language and British sign language are completely
| different and not mutually intelligible despite the UK
| and the US speaking the same language (with only slight
| differences in accent and vocabulary).
| 542458 wrote:
| Is there a reason that's superior to subtitles, which are
| already fairly easy to generate?
| currymj wrote:
| sign languages are completely different languages from
| spoken languages, with their own grammar etc.
|
| subtitles can work but it's basically a second language.
| perhaps comparable to many countries where people speak a
| dialect that's very different from the "standard" written
| language.
|
| this is why you sometimes have sign language interpreters
| at events, rather than just captions.
|
| there's not really a widely accepted written form of sign
| language.
| fluoridation wrote:
| >this is why you sometimes have sign language
| interpreters at events, rather than just captions.
|
| No, the reason is because a) it's in real time, and b)
| there's no screen to put the subtitles on. If it was
| possible to simply display subtitles on people's vision,
| that would be much more preferable, because writing is a
| form of communication more people are familiar with than
| sign language. For example, someone might not be deaf,
| but might still not be able to hear the audio, so a sign
| language interpreter would not help them at all, while
| closed captions would.
| currymj wrote:
| if you're maximizing accessibility you'd have both. often
| in broadcasts with closed captioning, there will also be
| a video of the sign language interpreter.
| vunderba wrote:
| _> subtitles can work but it 's basically a second
| language_
|
| That argument applies just as equally to sign language -
| most countries have their own idiosyncratic sign
| language. (ASL, LSE, etc.). Any televised event that has
| interpreters will be using the national language version.
|
| The closest thing you're thinking of is _IS_ -
| International Sign but its much more limited in terms of
| expression and not every deaf person knows it.
|
| _> there 's not really a widely accepted written form of
| sign language._
|
| Because it makes no sense to have it unless there was a
| regional deaf community that was fluent in sign language
| and also simultaneously illiterate.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/6t7k1
| w/h...
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| Sometimes the captions miss things or are really terribly
| written.
| fluoridation wrote:
| LOL. Yeah, that's way better than closed captions, even
| auto-generated ones.
| vunderba wrote:
| THANK YOU. READING SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD IS
| MAKING ME FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.
|
| If you're going to convert _audio_ to a digital form in
| realtime anyway we have this new amazing invention called
| the _WRITTEN LANGUAGE_.
| overfeed wrote:
| Holy over-engineering batman! Is text too old-fashioned?
| margalabargala wrote:
| Great point. Really, the main problem with subtitles is
| that the creator can understand them without having to know
| another language, and therefore can spot check them. That
| makes it much more difficult to insert Black Mirror-style
| Contextually Relevant Advertisements.
| dang wrote:
| Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site
| guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.
|
| (Your comment would be just fine without the last sentence)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| Fair enough, I will keep that in mind.
| tkamado wrote:
| it helps altman with world domination, so one legitimate use
| case for one person?
| dang wrote:
| " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us
| something._"
|
| " _Don 't be snarky._"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| minimaxir wrote:
| tbh I didn't know it was technically possible for dang to
| be downvoted
| haolez wrote:
| One use that occurred to me is that fans will be able to "fix"
| some movies that dropped the ball.
|
| For example, I saw a lot of people criticizing "Wish" (2023,
| Disney) for being a good movie in the first half, and totally
| dropping the ball in the last half. I haven't seen it yet, but
| I'm wondering if fans will be able to evolve the source material
| in the future to get the best possible version of it.
|
| Maybe we will even get a good closure for Lost (2004)!
|
| (I'm ignoring copyright aspects, of course, because those are too
| boring :D)
| BeetleB wrote:
| Or just going to the Goofs section of a movie on IMDB, and fix
| the trivial issues (e.g. car had cracked window in earlier
| scene, and suddenly a normal window in another scene).
|
| Much more mundane, but useful!
| ronsor wrote:
| > (I'm ignoring copyright aspects, of course, because those are
| too boring :D)
|
| You must understand that infinite copyright is the author's
| right, and AI companies must be sued for 50 trillion dollars.
| haolez wrote:
| Come on. This is just a fun thought exercise. I'm not
| suggesting creating a startup around this.
| ronsor wrote:
| I was trying my hand at satire; but I understand that many
| people now genuinely hold such extreme views.
| SkyBelow wrote:
| My issue is that the copyright aspect are what prevents me from
| using this as much as I otherwise would.
|
| About 6 months ago I asked a few different AIs if they could
| translate a song for me as a learning experience, meaning not a
| simple translation, but more a word by word explanation of what
| each word meant, how it was conjugated, any more
| musical/lyrical only uses that aren't common outside of songs,
| and so on. I was consistently refused on copyright grounds,
| despite this seeming a fair use given the educational nature.
| If I pasted a line of the lyrics at a time, it would work
| initially, but eventually I would need to start a new chat
| because the AI determined I translated too much at once.
|
| So in this one, if I wanted to ask it to create a video of the
| moment in Final Fantasy 6 when the bad guy wins, or a video of
| the main characters of Final Fantasy 7 and 8 having a sword
| duel, would it outright refuse for copyright reasons?
|
| It sounds like it would block me, which makes me lose a bit of
| interest in the technology. I could try to get around it, but
| at what point might that lead to my account being flagged as a
| trouble maker trying to bypass 'safety' features. I'm hoping in
| a few years the copyright fights on AI dies down and we get
| more fair use allowance instead of the tighter limitations to
| try to prevent calls for tighter regulation.
| danlugo92 wrote:
| Surely it wasn't deepseek right?
| inerte wrote:
| Just yesterday I learned "This summer, two Dramione fics turned
| rewritten novels became New York Times bestsellers" -
| https://slate.com/culture/2025/09/alchemised-senlinyu-harry-...
|
| 100% sure we will see people re-doing movie parts. Also see
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit
| Andrex wrote:
| > Maybe we will even get a good closure for Lost (2004)!
|
| Whether it's text or super-advanced VR holograms, if it's fan
| fiction it's fan fiction. Which can be interesting and
| compelling, but that will never be as exciting as the Word of
| God[0]. Death of the Author is a nice thought experiment but
| few people really adhere to it, I've found.
|
| 0. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod
| qgin wrote:
| VFX artists are definitely feeling the AGI / considering other
| career paths today.
| Banditoz wrote:
| I genuinely don't understand the consistent rhetoric on this
| site of:
|
| > new AI feature/model comes out
|
| > "it's going to replace people in this field! they better
| start looking for a new job!!!"
|
| why is this a good thing?
| qgin wrote:
| It's not a good thing, but it's definitely a thing. Most of
| us here on HN are going to be affected by this.
| vultour wrote:
| How many more years do you think you'll need to keep saying
| this before it's actually true?
| qgin wrote:
| New grads are already having a tough time. My own
| expectation is that every recession or downturn from here
| on out, there will be the typical rounds of layoffs but
| without the typical increase in hiring afterwards. Maybe
| no "we replaced you with AI" moment, more of a "no new
| hiring" tendency.
| Retr0id wrote:
| Who said it was a good thing?
| bopbopbop7 wrote:
| Is this AGI in the room with us now?
| myahio wrote:
| Not with the way this thing renders hair (or any other high
| fidelity texture)
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973090475486879818
| bsenftner wrote:
| VFX artist and developer here, who's deep into this stuff, and
| it is really not there. It's an island of itself, barely
| controllable and barely usable with other media. They are just
| now getting around to generating alpha channels, with virtual
| none of the existing pipelines for any AI video or image
| generation tools to even incorporate and work with alpha
| channels. This is just one of several hundred aspects of
| incompatibility. It really seriously appears as of no one at
| any of the AI video generation research teams has any
| professional media production experience, or even bothered too
| look at existing media production data standards, and what they
| are making tool-wise is incompatible in every possible respect.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| "It really seriously appears as of no one at any of the AI
| video generation research teams has any professional media
| production experience, or even bothered too look at existing
| media production data standards,"
|
| I had to chuckle at this. Because the arrogance of OAI et al
| will finally get them in the end when these projects continue
| to be negative NPV.
| gmueckl wrote:
| Do you even see a path from the current AI systems to
| something that has that near-total control over every detail
| that is required for high quality VFX work?
| bsenftner wrote:
| Yes. Adding alpha channels would be step one. Then perhaps
| incorporate the "element" concept that is basically any
| identifiable visual anything; which is what VFX uses as a
| composite-capable element. Then build a whole visual scene
| description _prose_ that is what we give to a video AI, and
| that prose is high level language where necessary and
| element-wise specific where necessary. Base that scene
| description prose on the language used by film makers
| directly, just adopt their terminology, and then track the
| industry 's jargon within the models. That way anyone
| working in media will auto-magically know how to control
| them.
|
| We are at a point now where it is now _how to write
| software_ that is the problem but _how to describe to the
| software_ that is the problem. Video and film making is so
| generalized, AI needs more information. Typically that
| information comes from a director 's and their team's
| consistency during production. AI has neither the
| information for consistency of imagery nor the narrative
| and the _perspective_ of the narrative a human director and
| team bring. In time, AI will develop large enough contexts,
| but will the hardware to run that be affordable? There is a
| huge amount of _context_ in both an entire script and the
| _world view perspective_ a film crew brings to any script,
| and for that reason I think many of the traditional (VFX
| included) film roles are not going to suddenly disappear.
| AI video does not replace their consistency at their
| budget, hands down.
|
| When AI video is able to be just a part of the skill set,
| for example when it is compatible with compositing,
| editing, and knows that terminology, AI video will be
| adopted more. Right now, it is designed as an all or
| nothing offering.
| non_sequitur wrote:
| Honest q - do you think these things will make a big
| difference if these videos can be made in 15 minutes for $20
| or whatever?
|
| Won't the industry change to adopt that massive price
| cut/productivity gain?
| bsenftner wrote:
| The cost is and will be more than that, the time will be
| more, and I really think people are underestimating the
| time it takes to create good stories. Sure, there will be
| online locations to make short form video of all kinds.
| People have had video cameras in their pockets for a very
| long time and being hobby film makers are not really
| popular. The AI video sites now are 95% people fascinated
| with the ability to make video at all, and after a bit
| their interest dies because to actually make anything _that
| requires real work_ even with AI helping left and right.
| Consistency is a harsh mistress; and AI video is only good
| with it for a short duration. So any narrative that makes a
| story worth watching, it 's not AI slop, will continue to
| require humans and human creativity - for the consistency
| that gives a story the integrity that makes it worth
| watching. At least for audiences that care. No doubt, there
| are commercial forces working to develop audiences that
| like and prefer AI slop.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| "With Sora 2, we are jumping straight to what we think may be the
| GPT-3.5 moment for video."
|
| I think feeling like you need to use that in marketing copy is a
| pretty good clue in itself both that its not, and that you don't
| believe it is so much as desperately wish it would be.
| echelon wrote:
| The Sora app squaring off against Meta's social video app is
| the real story here.
|
| Sora 2 itself looks and sounds a little poorer than Google Veo
| 3. (Which is itself not currently ranked as the top video
| model. The Chinese models are dominating.)
|
| I think Google, with their massive YouTube data set, is
| ultimately going to win this game. They have all the data and
| infrastructure in the world to build best-in-class video
| models, and they're just getting started.
|
| The social battle will be something completely different,
| though. And that's something that I think OpenAI stands a good
| chance at winning.
|
| Edit: Most companies that are confident of their image or video
| models stealthily launch it on the Model Arena a week ahead of
| the public model release. OpenAI did not arrange to do that for
| Sora 2.
|
| Nano Banana, Seedream/Seedance, Kling, and several other models
| have followed this pattern of "stealth ELO ranking, then reveal
| pole position".
|
| https://artificialanalysis.ai/text-to-video/arena?tab=leader...
|
| The fact that this model is about "friends" and "social"
| implies that this is an underpowered model. You probably saw a
| cherry picked highlight reel with a large VRAM context, but the
| actual consumer product will be engineered for efficiency.
| Built to sustain a high volume of cheap generations, not
| expensive high quality ones. A product built to face off
| against Meta. That model compete on the basis of putting you
| into videos with Pikachu, Mario, and Goku.
| CaptainOfCoit wrote:
| > I think Google, with their massive YouTube data set, is
| ultimately going to win this game.
|
| I don't know, applying the same thinking to LLMs, Google
| should have been first and best with just text based LLMs
| too, considering the datasets they sit on (and researchers,
| among others the people who came up with attention). But
| OpenAI somehow beat them on that regardless.
| fragmede wrote:
| The problem for Google existed with the infobox at the top
| of search results. If users get the answer to their query
| without having to visit the web page where the answer came
| from, and where Google shows the ads, means that users
| don't see ads, and that website operators don't get ad
| revenue. ChatGPT was Google's Kodak digital camera moment.
| They had internal transformers-based chatbots (that really
| wanted to send you pizza, for some reason), but deploying
| that would have cannibalized their existing business model,
| so in the meanwhile, their lunch got eaten by an outside
| competitor.
| jstummbillig wrote:
| I am looking at the videos and really had a feeling that it
| looks right (minus a lot of obvious fuck ups still) where
| previously something felt fundamentally wrong with ai videos.
| It feels _somewhat_ important, in so far you consider ai
| generated videos important.
| horhay wrote:
| It's the skin textures. It's the slightly better lipsyncing.
| Maybe it will be different when us normal users get it but so
| far the demos with Sam don't make him look waxy.
| gainda wrote:
| impressive engineering that's hard to see as a net good for
| humanity.
|
| it doesn't spark optimism or joy about the future of engaging
| with the internet & content which was already at a low point.
|
| old is gold, even more so
| dyauspitr wrote:
| How did they generate the videos with Sam Altman. Did they just
| provide a picture of his face and then use him in their prompts?
| rodonn wrote:
| You can use the "cameo" feature only with users who have gone
| through the cameo creation flow. Sama has an account and
| created a cameo likeness of himself. When you create your cameo
| you can choose who is allowed to make videos using it: "only
| me", "people I approve", "mutuals", or "everyone".
| kaicianflone wrote:
| Why is the video player so laggy?
| cubefox wrote:
| Right? It constantly dropped frames for me (Firefox/Android).
| darkwater wrote:
| Last famous words:
|
| > A lot of problems with other apps stem from the monetization
| model incentivizing decisions that are at odds with user
| wellbeing. Transparently, our only current plan is to eventually
| give users the option to pay some amount to generate an extra
| video if there's too much demand relative to available compute.
| As the app evolves, we will openly communicate any changes in our
| approach here, while continuing to keep user wellbeing as our
| main goal.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Sam will quickly learn that general users give -zero- thought
| to OpenAI well being. Nor be bothered that they should give it
| a thought.
| ambicapter wrote:
| AI Sam Altman is terrifying, holy shit. Squarely in uncanny
| valley for me.
| benzible wrote:
| Came here to say this myself. Would like to unsee that.
| neom wrote:
| Going to be an amazing source of training data, wait till they
| get it to real time and people are leaving their video camera
| open for AR features. OpenAI is about to have a lot of current
| real world image data, never mind the sentiment analysis.
| altcognito wrote:
| I don't think they were limited for video training data.
| Gathering real world data is pretty easy, gathering curated
| information is a little more difficult.
| bovermyer wrote:
| "Thou shalt not create a machine in the likeness of a human
| mind."
| sciencejerk wrote:
| Ah, a holy scripture from the Orange Catholic Bible!
| saguntum wrote:
| I wonder if they're going to license this to brands for heavily
| personalized advertisement. Imagine being able to see videos of
| yourself wearing clothes you're buying online before you actually
| place the order, instead of viewing them on a model.
|
| If they got the generation "live" enough, imagine walking past a
| mirror in a department store and seeing yourself in different
| clothes.
|
| Wild times.
| foota wrote:
| The latter would feel like actual scifi to me.
| larodi wrote:
| its called Virtual Try On (VTO) and there are plenty of models
| going there for static gfx, it is very reasonable to expect
| soon emerge those for video VTO.
| shubb wrote:
| Accurate virtual try on however is quite difficult, and users
| will quickly learn to distrust platforms that just generate
| something that"looks right".
|
| You can prompt with a normal size 8 dress and "kim jungle un
| wearing a dress" and it will show you something that doesn't
| help you understand whether that dress would fit or not. You
| can ask for a tube dress and it will usually give him a big
| bust to hold it up. It's not useful for the purpose of
| visualing fit.
|
| It will definitely be used for such just like image models
| already are for cheap tenu clothes, and our onions shopping
| experience will get worse.
|
| Maybe this needs purpose built models like vibe-net or maybe
| you cab train a general purpose model to do it, but if they
| were spending the effort necessary to do so they'd be calling
| it out.
| cyrialize wrote:
| I'm fairly certain there is a scene in Minority Report just
| like this! Or at least, the advertisement says Tom Cruise's
| character's name.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)
| beklein wrote:
| Here a clip of that scene:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ
| echelon wrote:
| In 2023, Carvana ran an ad campaign that showed you a video
| of "your car" thanking you and talking about your time
| together:
|
| https://adage.com/article/digital-marketing-ad-tech-
| news/car...
|
| A little creepy, but very much in this vein.
|
| We probably haven't even scratched the surface of what will
| be done with this tech. When video becomes "easy", "quick",
| "affordable", and "automatable" (something never before
| possible on any of those dimensions) - it enables countless
| new things to be done.
| citizenpaul wrote:
| Its still just video though. Its not a new type of media.
| My guess is it will play out same as self publishing on
| amazon. Ultra specific generas that monitize the infinite
| long tail.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| You don't need generative AI for that at all, snapchat filters
| have existed for a decade and are the same concept. A lot of
| brands have already adopted that.
| gm678 wrote:
| Or, on the genAI side, Google marketed this use case heavily
| for Flash Image 2.5 (even if that's not the same type of
| generative model because it's geared for editing, it's still
| in the taxonomy)
| citizenpaul wrote:
| I'm surprised I had to ctrl-f this far for the first snapchat
| mention. Same. All I see here is snapchat except on any
| platform. Far from a tiktok competitor and far from
| revolutionary.
| seydor wrote:
| When the dust settles , that's probably going to be the most
| common application of these video models. Making automated
| social content kind of defeats the purpose; people empathize
| with other people, not with AI . (I guess that's why they
| didn't also make their interview video via AI)
|
| But Sora /VEO will probably also revolutionize movies and tv
| content
| busymom0 wrote:
| Am I misremembering or didn't Meta announce few months ago that
| people will see their own faces in ads?
| latexr wrote:
| At that point, why even buy the clothes? Influencers will just
| post the video of the mockup on social media, which is the only
| reason they were considering it in the first place. Save
| themselves the foot fungus.
|
| https://xcancel.com/Naija_PR/status/1904809073356251634
|
| Then take the next step. Why even spend money going out?
| Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and
| post that, while eating ice cream alone at home.
| ares623 wrote:
| Now you're thinking with portals
| janalsncm wrote:
| Because food still tastes good whether or not it looks good.
| There are other sources of happiness than online validation.
| lm28469 wrote:
| Just wait for Musk's implent, it'll make ozempic pills
| taste like pizzas and burgers
| latexr wrote:
| I was criticising and making a joke prediction about the
| practice, not suggesting you actually do it.
|
| I agree with you regarding online validation. I would even
| go so far as saying that depending on online validation or
| fame in general for happiness is unhealthy and anyone who
| does should make it a priority to find alternative sources.
| noisy_boy wrote:
| Few years down the line:
|
| "Five things you won't believe: We took an actual vacation"
| citizenpaul wrote:
| >Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself
| with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice
| cream alone at home.
|
| Hey don't be giving away my JOMO secrets.
| chilipepperhott wrote:
| People said the exact same thing about AR furniture, and I'm
| 99% sure no one uses that.
| mepiethree wrote:
| It seems like 99% of apartment listings in the city of New
| York are virtually staged with AR furniture
| vunderba wrote:
| I don't have to _imagine_ it because it 's probably the most
| COMMON fantasy that people who work in advertisement and
| marketing have every day.
|
| Now... take it a _STEP_ further. Remember the scene in Futurama
| where Fry tries on the Lightspeed Briefs and looks in the
| mirror to see a rather aspirational version of himself?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by0KQRJVFuk
|
| Yeah.
| SchemaLoad wrote:
| I feel like the main problem with buying clothes online is
| there is no way to tell if they are actually good or fit right.
| The photos are all fake where it's just an image projected on a
| stock photo of someone in a shirt. Doesn't tell you what the
| material is like, doesn't tell you if it actually fits (an AI
| video model is just making up the fit).
| DonsDiscountGas wrote:
| Seems like a nice feature but the most important aspect is
| "fit" and I wouldn't trust these models to do that accurately.
| They'll most likely make everything fit perfectly. Should be
| fixable tho.
| ath3nd wrote:
| OpenAI is cooked.
|
| Absolutely cooked.
|
| After the disaster that was chatGPT4.001, study mode and now
| this: an impossibly expensive to maintain AI video slop copyright
| violater, their releases are uninspired and bland, and smelling
| of desperation.
|
| Making me giddy for their imminent collapse.
| dwa3592 wrote:
| I don't know if it's just me or other people are feeling it as
| well. I don't enjoy videos anymore (unless live sports). I don't
| enjoy reading on my monitor anymore, I have been going back to
| physical books more often. I am in my early thirties.
|
| The point is that sora2 demo videos seemed impressive but I just
| didn't feel any real excitement. I am not sure who this is really
| helping.
| marcofloriano wrote:
| Same with me !
| greenavocado wrote:
| Personally I can't wait for super creative and novel indie film
| productions as film production will be more liberated from the
| grip of Hollywood and the influence of the upper classes in
| general. Especially once the Chinese make less-censored-to-
| Western-users models more available and even more so once
| people can run these things at home in some years.
| kobalsky wrote:
| that sounds like clinical depresion, I'd check with my
| endocrinologist to get blood work done
| marcofloriano wrote:
| Every AI video demonstration is always about funny stuff and
| fancy situations. We never see videos on art, history,
| literature, poetry, religion (imagine building a video about the
| moment Jesus was born) ... ducks in a race !? Come on ...
|
| So much visual power, yet so little soul power. We are dying.
| fluoridation wrote:
| What do you imagine a generated video about poetry would be?
|
| >Every AI video demonstration is always about funny stuff and
| fancy situations.
|
| The thing about AI slop is that by its very nature, unless it's
| heavily reined in by a human, it's invariably lowest common
| denominator garbage. It very likely will generate something you
| yourself could think of within the first five seconds of
| hearing the prompt, not some very clever take on it, so it can
| _only_ work as a placeholder (AI as a replacement of stock
| images is great, for example) or to add background detail where
| it won 't call attention to itself and its genericity.
|
| >imagine building a video about the moment Jesus was born
|
| Given there are multiple paintings on the subject, I very much
| doubt no one has generated something like that already.
| boh wrote:
| This is the kind of thing people get excited about for the first
| couple of months and then barely use it going forward. It's
| amazing how quickly the novelty of this amazing technology wears
| off. You realize how necessary meaning/identity/narrative is to
| media and how empty it gets (regardless of the output) when those
| elements are missing.
| tptacek wrote:
| If I was on the OpenAI marketing team I maybe wouldn't have
| included the phrase "and letting your friends cast you in their
| [videos]". It's a little chilling.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The livestream showed an interesting UX with Facebook-style
| permissions that make it so you very explicitly have to opt
| into this feature:
| https://bsky.app/profile/minimaxir.bsky.social/post/3m22zg2h...
|
| Even moreso than Facebook tags, the person being cast can cause
| the deletion of the source video at any time.
| drcongo wrote:
| The AI generated Sam Altman doesn't look even vaguely human.
| echelon wrote:
| I'm a software engineer and hobbyist actor/director. My friends
| are in the film industry and are in IATSE and SAG-AFTRA. I've
| made photons-on-glass films for decades, and I frequently film
| stuff with my friends for festivals.
|
| I love this AI video technology.
|
| Here are some of the films my friends and I have been making with
| AI. These are not "prompted", but instead use a lot of hand
| animation, rotoscoping, and human voice acting in addition to AI
| assistance:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NFXGMuwpY
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAAiiKteM-U
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x7IZkHiGD8
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tii9uF0nAx4
|
| Here are films from other industry folks. One of them writes for
| a TV show you probably watch:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQWRBCt_5E
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCZC6XmEmK0
|
| I see several incredibly good things happening with this tech:
|
| - More people being able to visually articulate themselves,
| including "lay" people who typically do not use editing software.
|
| - Creative talent at the bottom rungs being able to reach high
| with their ambition and pitch grand ideas. With enough effort,
| they don't even need studio capital anymore. (Think about the
| tens of thousands of students that go to film school that never
| get to direct their dream film. That was a lot of us!)
|
| - Smaller studios can start to compete with big studios. A ten
| person studio in France can now make a well-crafted animation
| that has more heart and soul than recent by-the-formula Pixar
| films. It's going to start looking like indie games. Silksong and
| Undertale and Stardew Valley, but for movies, shows, and shorts.
| Makoto Shinkai did this once by himself with "Voices of a Distant
| Star", but it hasn't been oft repeated. Now that is becoming
| possible.
|
| You can't just "prompt" this stuff. It takes work. (Each of the
| shorts above took days of effort - something you probably
| wouldn't know unless you're in the trenches trying to use the
| tech!)
|
| For people that know how to do a little VFX and editing, and that
| know the basic rules of storytelling, these tools are remarkable
| assets that compliment an existing skill set. But every shot,
| every location, every scene is still work. And you have to weave
| that all into a compelling story with good hooks and visuals.
| It's multi-layered and complex. Not unlike code.
|
| And another code analogy: think of these models like Claude Code
| for the creative. An exoskeleton, but not the core driving
| engineer or vision that draws it all together. You can't prompt a
| code base, and similarly, you can't prompt a movie. At least not
| anytime soon.
| Mashimo wrote:
| Well I was entertained.
|
| What is up with a lot of voices are left ear only?
| echelon wrote:
| Carter needs a new laptop. His daily driver has been falling
| apart for ages but he refuses to give it up.
|
| We all told him about the sound mix - he let a couple of
| videos slip with a bad "mono as single-channel stereo audio"
| renders. On his machine it sounded normal. He got flack for
| that, and he's been hearing this for months.
|
| I'm going to show him this thread. I don't think he'll ever
| forget to check again.
|
| Despite that, he's a really talented guy. Chalk this up as a
| bad production deploy. We didn't want to delete and re-upload
| since the videos had legs when we first released them.
| There's a checklist now.
| summarity wrote:
| Lol I wish YT had a warning for that.
|
| In the meantime, good old
|
| Settings -> Accessibility -> Audio -> Play Stereo as Mono
|
| helps.
| marseysneed wrote:
| My left ear enjoyed these videos
| tobr wrote:
| Adding to the list: The Adventures of Reemo Green. Very funny,
| and the first time I've watched AI video and enjoyed it as more
| than a technical curiosity.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bYA2Rv2CQ8
| kingds wrote:
| sorry but it's funny that you mention "heart and soul" while
| sharing some of the most soulless videos i've ever seen.
| echelon wrote:
| I'll have you know that in this year's Atlanta 48 Hour Film
| project (something I've been doing since I was a teen),
| several teams used AI.
|
| Rewind to just one year prior -- 2024.
|
| AI video was brand-spanking new. We'd only just gotten over
| the "Will Smith" spaghetti video and the meme-y "Pepperoni
| Hug Spot" and "Harry Potter by Balenciaga" videos.
|
| I was the only person to attempt to use AI in 2024's
| competition. It was a time when the tools and infrastructure
| for video barely existed.
|
| On the debut night, I was resoundingly booed by the audience.
| It felt surreal. Working all weekend to have an audience of
| peers jeering at you in a dark theater. The judges gave me an
| award out of sympathy.
|
| Back then, image-to-video models really were not a thing
| (Luma launched "Dream Machine v1" shortly after this). I was
| using Comfy, Blender, Mocap, a full Mocap suit (the itchy
| kind), and a lot of other hacks to build something with
| extremely crude tools.
|
| We lost a day of filming and had to scramble to get something
| done in just 24 hours. No sleep, too much caffeine. Lots of
| sweat and toil.
|
| The resulting film was a total mess, of course:
|
| https://vimeo.com/955680517/05d9fb0c4f (It's seriously bad -
| I hate it. It might legitimately be the very first time AI
| was used in a 48 hour competition.)
|
| That said, it felt very much like a real 48 Hour competition
| to me. Like a game jam. The crude ingredients, an idea, the
| clock. The hustle. The corners being cut. It was palpable.
|
| I don't think you can say there isn't soul in this process.
| The process has so much soul.
|
| Anyway, fast forward to this year. Three teams used AI,
| including my own. (I don't think I have a link to our film,
| sadly.)
|
| We all got applause. The audience was full of industry folks,
| students, and hobbyists. They loved it. And they knew we used
| AI.
|
| The industry is anxious but curious about the tech. But
| fundamentally, it's a new tool for the tool box. The real
| task is storytelling.
| mintone wrote:
| I wrote this a year or so ago:
| https://www.technicalchops.com/articles/ai-goes-to-hollywood...
|
| "The studios and creators who thrive in this new landscape will
| be those who can effectively harness AI's capabilities while
| maintaining the human creativity and vision that ultimately
| drives the art of cinema."
|
| It is in many ways thrilling to see this come to life, and I
| couldn't agree with you more.
| hansmayer wrote:
| > "The studios and creators who thrive in this new landscape
| will be those who can effectively harness AI's capabilities
| while maintaining the human creativity and vision that
| ultimately drives the art of cinema."
|
| ..Just somehow several years on, these optimistic statements
| still all end up being in the future tense, somehow for all
| the supposed greatness and benefits, we still dont see really
| valuable outputs. A lot of us do not want more of the
| "CONTENT" as envisioned by corporate ghouls who want their
| employees or artists to "thrive" (another word kidnapped by
| LinkedIn-Linguists). The point is not in the speed and
| easiness of generation of outputs, visual and sound effects
| etc. The point is the artists interpretation and their own
| vision, impressions etc. Not a statistical slop which
| "likely" fits my preferences (i.e. increases my dopamin
| levels).
| squidsoup wrote:
| Creative people with ambition and limited resources make good
| things today without this technology. All this does is
| accelerate the rate at which low quality "content" is produced
| by people that have no interest in learning a craft, without
| attribution and without compensation for the people that have
| made the effort and whose works train these models.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| Precisely.
|
| I have a really big problem with letting low quality stuff
| infest into the species.
| cesarvarela wrote:
| Now, creative people with ambition and limited resources have
| a new, powerful tool.
|
| This will also be used to create great content.
| maxglute wrote:
| We mustn't teach peasants how to read or write or else one
| day we'll live in hellscape of infinte unread inboxes and
| eternal september... both of which sucks, but much less than
| a world where masses were illiterate. Ai art/slop is just
| that for visual communication. Now it's supremely shitty this
| power is currently being monetized / controlled by a few, the
| same way communication material like papyrus and paper was
| jealously guarded/exploited before printing press
| proliferated, then the mistake that was the internet giving
| desemination power to every pleb. But there's free models out
| there and maybe (hopefully) in the not too distant from now
| the barrier to entry is accessible commodity level hardware
| and artists just have to eat shit and realize they've
| contributing to the creative common/canon like those before,
| i.e. world where monks/literati simply copied and duplicated
| work in pre copyright era because knowledge/expression,
| unless jealously guarded, was a collective resource to be
| built upon.
| bnop wrote:
| Taking the time and effort out of something is exactly what
| strips it of its beauty
|
| Beauty is not just an "idea" that someone has and needs to get
| out onto a medium
|
| It is a process and journey that a person undergoes to get said
| idea onto said medium
|
| That journey often plays out very differently than the person
| expects. Things change, the art is different from the idea, and
| the person learns and grows
|
| Our modern society is so obsessed with results, competition,
| and efficiency that we no longer see the truth: the journey is
| to be enjoyed, and from enjoying the journey, comes beauty
|
| I encourage you to meditate on why our society is so sick and
| depressed right now, and extrapolate to how we got here, before
| assuming this will be a good thing for society
| echelon wrote:
| I saw a quote earlier this week that I'll copy here:
|
| > I considered renting out sound stages, flying to exotic
| desert locations, getting a scuba team to shoot the
| underwater scenes in an aquarium, commissioning custom-made
| Teletubbies costumes, hiring SAG actors, building dozens of
| miniature sets, and spending my life savings on making this
| video. But using AI just seems slightly easier.
|
| Making short films with AI is still incredibly effortful. If
| you're being careful and diligent, it takes days to "shoot"
| and edit the entire shot list for a 5-7 minute short.
|
| Would you say that the creators of today's animated TV shows,
| in mechanizing production with Toon Boom Studio, have
| stripped the beauty away? I still found "Bojack Horseman" to
| be a salient dramedy.
|
| Would you say that Pixar, in using motion capture and
| algorithms to simulate light, physics, and movement, is
| cutting away the journey?
|
| This is a new adventure and new level of abstraction we're
| embarking upon.
|
| I'm already thinking about the next way points: real time
| mocapped improv for D&D campaigns and live community theater
| fantasy and science fiction productions.
|
| These are tools that bring us to new places, that enable us
| to tell new stories. Previously you'd have to win Disney
| budget approval to tell a story matching your vision - now
| you don't.
| Jensson wrote:
| So landscapes are not beautiful?
| ares623 wrote:
| You think landscapes are created in an instant?
| maxglute wrote:
| But I will still be entertained. Expedient AI expression can
| touch most people the same way a low effort meme or an off
| the cuff whitticism.
|
| Art is not effort. Art is not labour. Beauty is not
| suffering. Art =/= craft. Art is communication.
|
| If someone wants to suffer long the endurance journey to
| becaome skilled at a craft we can still respect/appreciate it
| the same way a sprinter spends 10 years training to run real
| fast, in the mean time most of us will use a vehicle to get
| somewhere faster.
|
| What we're going to lose is a bunch of interesting behind the
| scene videos because no one is going to watch someone prompt
| for an hour wondering why can't I do that, but rather why
| didn't I do that.
|
| Proliferating tools for creation is net good in the same
| sense that teaching masses to write is net good. It's strange
| people are opposing lowering the barrier to entry to visual
| communication. That's what art ultimately is, communication.
| Once difficult, soon ubiquituous.
| sumeruchat wrote:
| Shameless plug but I am creating a startup in this space called
| cleanvideo.cc to tackle some of the issues that will come with
| fake news videos. https://cleanvideo.cc
| robotsquidward wrote:
| It's insanely impressive. At the same time, all these videos all
| look terrible to me. Still get extreme uncanny valley and
| literally makes me sick to my stomach.
| spaceman_2020 wrote:
| This stuff works really well when you make something that's
| exaggerated reality, as in either an animation or a MTV-style
| music video
|
| I can't find the link now, but I saw a continuous shot video of
| a grocery store from the perspective of a fly. It was shot in
| the 90s music video style and looked so damn good.
|
| Some of the stuff being done by these guys is also a whole lot
| of fun (slightly NSFW and political content), and it fits the
| music video theme:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4zwIhS2iZk
| jrop wrote:
| Agree - leaps and bounds beyond anything I would have dreamed
| possible a few years ago...but... IDK, if I'm honest, the sound
| was way off too, not just the visuals. The music sounded
| detuned slightly, and the crowd noise was "crackly" etc. etc.
| It had a low-fidelity "quality" to it.
|
| Personally, I feel mixed feelings. I'm impressed, but I'm not
| looking forward to the new "movies" that are going to litter
| YouTube et al generated from this.
| unsnap_biceps wrote:
| They seem like they're low FPS videos. I wonder if they're
| rendering 24 FPS and it's mismatching youtube's 30 FPS and
| causing the weird stuttering.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| I just had a thought: (spoilers Expanse and Hyperion and Fire
| Upon the Deep)
|
| Multiple sci-fi-fantasy tales have been written about technology
| getting so out of control, either through its own doing or by
| abuse by a malevolent controller, that society must sever itself
| from that technology very intentionally and permanently.
|
| I think the idea of AGI and transhumanism is that moment for
| society. I think it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle
| because multiple adversarial powers are racing to be more
| powerful than the rest, but maybe the best thing for society
| would be if every tensor chip disintegrated the moment they came
| into existence.
|
| I don't see how society is better when everyone can run their own
| gooner simulation and share it with videos made of their high
| school classmates. Or how we'll benefit from being unable to
| trust any photo or video we see without trusting who sends it to
| you, and even then doubting its veracity. Not being able to hear
| your spouse's voice on the phone without checking the post-
| quantum digital signature of their transmission for authenticity.
|
| Society is heading to a less stable, less certain moment than any
| point in its history, and it is happening within our lifetime.
| sys32768 wrote:
| I welcome a world where gullible people begin to doubt everything
| they see.
| kibwen wrote:
| My friend, no man ever got rich betting against the infinitely
| deep well of human gullibility.
| skybrian wrote:
| The result of that isn't rational skepticism, though. It's
| distrusting mainstream news and embracing whatever conspiracy
| theories your friends believe.
| qwerasdf5 wrote:
| Wait, when did mainstream news become trustworthy? =)
| skybrian wrote:
| Distrusting all mainstream news indiscriminately (or
| whenever you feel like it) is at least as bad as trusting
| it indiscriminately.
| polishdude20 wrote:
| There's something about the faces that looks completely off to
| me. I think it's the way the mouth and whole face moves when they
| talk.
| HarHarVeryFunny wrote:
| Yeah, the faces aren't right, and impressive as it is I'm
| getting icky "uncanny valley" vibes from this.
|
| CGI for fantasy stuff is unavoidable, but when it's stuff that
| could have been done by actors but is instead AI, then to me it
| just feels cheap and nasty - fake.
| bob1029 wrote:
| It's the inaccuracy of things like shadows, sub-surface
| scattering and specular highlights. I think the shadow
| inaccuracy is what the human visual system is most sensitive
| to.
|
| These LLMs might make content that looks initially impressive
| but they are absolutely not performing physically based
| rendering or have any awareness of the lighting arrangement in
| these scenes. There are a lot of things they get right, but you
| only have to screw up one small element to throw the whole
| thing off.
|
| I am willing to bet that Unreal Engine 5 will continue to
| produce more realistic human faces than OAI ever can with these
| types of models. You cannot beat the effects of actually
| running raytracing in a PBR pipeline.
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| Sheeeeeeeeeeesh. That was so impressive. I had to go back to the
| start and confirm it said "Everything you're about to see is Sora
| 2" when I saw Sam do that intro. I thought there was a prologue
| that was native film before getting to the generated content.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| I'm sorry but that's a gross exageration. If any of this was
| real film then I'd start a gofundme page for OpenAI to get
| better video production equipment and team because that would
| be laughably bad.
|
| If anything, it looks a lot worse than a lot of AI-generated
| videos I've seen in the past, despite being a tech demo with
| carefully curated shots. Veo 3 just blows this out of the water
| for example.
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| It's not an exaggeration to me? I literally stopped the video
| and went back to the start and re-read. You're more than
| welcome to speak about your opinions and experiences, but I'm
| speaking about mine.
|
| I'm over here thinking, "It felt like just yesterday I was
| laughing at trippy, incoherent videos of Will Smith eating
| spaghetti."
|
| I love the progress we're making. I love the competition
| between big companies trying to make the most appealing
| product demos. I love not knowing what the tech world is
| going to look like in six months. I love not thinking, "Man.
| The Internet was a cool invention to have grown up in, but
| now all tech is mundane and extractive." Every time I see AI
| progress I'm filled with childlike wonder that I thought was
| gone for good.
|
| I don't know if this represent SOTA for video generation. I
| don't care. In that moment I found it impressive and was
| commenting specifically on the joy I experienced watching the
| video. I find it frustrating to have that joy met with such
| negativity.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Don't worry. AI is going to be monetized and extractive in
| no time. Just like Social Media went from "fresh, fun and
| cool new tech" to "how did we let this horrible beast take
| hold of the world," AI will take the same path. In 10 years
| or sooner, when 99.99% of what you read, hear, and watch is
| AI slop, you're going to post "This used to be a cool
| invention!" if there's even a place left for humans to post
| by that time.
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| I agree. It will absolutely get there. Such is the trend
| of all scientific inventions. A breakthroughs occurs,
| prosperity follows in response, hedonic adaption causes
| satisfaction to regress to the mean, and then people
| squeeze every remaining drop of value out of the
| technology while we wait for those capable of true
| innovation to work their magic once more. I don't find it
| idyllic, but I accept it as the way the world works. It
| feels like a force of nature to me.
|
| The period we're in is fleeting. I think it should be
| acknowledged and treasured for what it is rather than
| viewed with disdain because of what is inevitably to
| come. I stopped using Facebook and never moved to
| Insta/TikTok when things began to feel too extractive,
| but, for a good decade there, I felt so close to so many
| more people than I ever thought possible. It was a really
| nice experience that I no longer get to have. I'm not mad
| at social media. I'm happy I got to experience that
| window of time.
|
| Right now I'm very happy to be using LLMs without feeling
| like I'm being preyed upon. I love that programming feels
| fresh and new to me after 15 years. I'm looking forward
| to having my ability to self-express magnified ten-fold
| by leveraging generative audio/visuals, and I look
| forward to future breakthroughs that occur once all these
| inventions become glorified ad-delivery mechanisms.
|
| None of this seems bad to me. Innovation and
| technological progress is responsible for every creature
| comfort I have experienced in my entire life. People
| deserve to make livings off of those things even if they
| weren't solely responsible for the innovation.
| hokumguru wrote:
| I fully understand the hype but the initial scene with Sam
| feels _nothing_ like how any self respecting video producer
| would create. The jump cuts mid-sentence are extremely
| jarring, certainly not framed in any traditional sense, and
| he 's almost entirely out of focus.
|
| Points though for the completely expressionless line
| delivery, it completely nailed that.
| xenobeb wrote:
| You obviously have never actually tried to make anything in
| AI video. It is a parlor trick.Maybe this is a big advance
| but the current state of AI video is a joke. It is only
| impressive if you don't actually make anything. It is
| impressive in a marketing release that is quickly forgot
| about.
|
| Will Smith eating spaghetti is the dumbest most uncreative
| thing. You are impressed by it because it is a meme. It is
| stupid.
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| I didn't claim to have made anything with AI video. I'm
| just commenting on how rapidly things appear to be
| improving from an external viewpoint. We used to give AI
| crap for failing to generate an appropriate number of
| fingers on still imagery. Now we're watching multiple
| minutes of video to find handfuls of discontinuities. The
| goalposts have shifted pretty far in an exceptionally
| short amount of time.
|
| I have no idea why you're so intent on coming across
| bitter about a fledgling technology. A few years ago this
| demo video would've been indistinguishable from magic. It
| will continue to improve.
| zendayawins6 wrote:
| It definitely doesnt look worse tbh. Its impressive stuff you
| cant get around that
| jayd16 wrote:
| I get what you're saying. I see it too. That said, a lot of
| people won't notice the flaws, especially with these fast,
| choppy cuts. By the time you realize the neck is way too long
| or whatever, its 2 cuts later.
| calmoo wrote:
| Anecdotally, I forgot multiple times that I was watching AI
| generated content, and my partner tuning in and out of it
| asked me a few times if we were watching the demo (as opposed
| to the real video). We are both pretty sensitive to slop too.
| I think something has flipped here.
| VagabundoP wrote:
| I hate this vacant technology tbh. Every video feels like
| distilled advert mindless slop.
|
| There's still something off about the movements, faces and eyes.
| Gollum features.
| horhay wrote:
| So far the true progress it has made is getting textures right
| close up. It still fudges how skin looks like the more it pans
| away from the characters.
| mrcino wrote:
| So, this is the AI Slop generator for the AI SlipSlop that Altman
| has announced lately.
|
| Brave new internet, where humans are not needed for any "social"
| media anymore, AI will generate slop for bots without any human
| interaction in an endless cycle.
| carabiner wrote:
| CEO of Loopt makes a cameo at 1:28 in the youtube vid.
| mclightning wrote:
| It is very underwhelming. It seems like a step backward. Scam
| altman should be replaced before he runs the company to
| bankruptcy.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| Show me a coherent video that lasts more than 5 seconds and was
| generated with the model and maybe I'll start to care.
| the_duke wrote:
| I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here:
|
| It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network
| - TikTok but AI.
|
| The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as
| the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user
| profiles having a prominent role.
|
| The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram,
| TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus.
|
| Generated videos are very short, with minimal controls. The only
| selectable option is picking between landscape and portrait mode.
|
| There is no mention or attempt to move towards long form videos,
| storylines, advanced editing/controls/etc, like others in this
| space (eg Google Flow).
|
| Seems like they want to turn this into AITok.
|
| Edit: regarding accurate physics ... check out these two videos
| below...
|
| To be fair, Veo fails miserably with those prompts also.
|
| https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68dc32c7ddb081919e0f38d8e006163...
|
| https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68dc3339c26881918e45f61d9312e95...
|
| Veo:
|
| https://veo-balldrop.wasmer.app/ballroll.mp4
|
| https://veo-balldrop.wasmer.app/balldrop.mp4
|
| Couldn't help but mock them a little, here is a bit of fun... the
| prompt adherence is pretty good, at least.
|
| NOTE: there are plenty of quite impressive videos being posted,
| and a lot of horrible ones also.
| ch4s3 wrote:
| That seems like an awful use of technology like this. I would
| imagine they mean to use that for serving ads, but how do you
| even generate conversations with ai slop plus product
| placements? I could see it working sometimes but I doubt it
| scales.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| > slop plus product placements
|
| social media was heading this way before AI
| Computer0 wrote:
| Are users of the $20 tier really going to have to deal with
| that obnoxious bouncing watermark I wonder? The previous
| watermark could be cropped, but I often didn't feel the need to
| as I use it for fun, but that would make me not want to show
| anyone.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| Meta did the same recently:
| https://about.fb.com/news/2025/09/introducing-vibes-ai-video...
| echelon wrote:
| I posit this is the real story.
|
| OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video
| ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat
| tradition.
|
| This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a
| social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into
| popular franchises and IPs.
|
| OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their
| Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offer $20/mo
| consumers.
|
| - - - - -
|
| EDIT:
|
| Oh my god, OpenAI literally just disrupted TikTok:
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973071380842229781
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973122324984693113
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973121891926942103
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973120058907041902
| (potentially dangerous ... )
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973111654524264763
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973090475486879818
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973110596825653720 (is
| this the same model? It doesn't look like it.)
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973096194508251321
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973086729281347650
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973088038851932522 (this
| is truly something only kids will love)
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973087595967201449
|
| https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1973077105903620504
|
| Holy shit!
|
| This is 100% the future of what kids will do. This is
| incredible for short form vertical video.
|
| It doesn't need to look good, it just needs to let you tell
| incredible stories with people and things you care about.
|
| This is way better than Meta's social video app.
| Gud wrote:
| Why would I want to watch any of this?
| jahsome wrote:
| You might not want to. It's definitely not appealing to me
| in any way shape or form.
|
| The younger generations however will likely gobble it right
| up. I try not to judge because folks said the same thing
| about Nintendo when I was young.
| kiririn7 wrote:
| i hate being ascended beings living above society
| BizarroLand wrote:
| STOP_HAVING_FUN.gif
| recursive wrote:
| Is that was this is supposed to be?
| zain37 wrote:
| Just like how the hype on Ghibli art styles via ChatGPT
| died, same will probably happen here
| JohnnyMarcone wrote:
| I found some of it funny and entertaining.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Some of it can produce a chuckle, like Newsom posting a
| video about an inflated JD Vance talking about couches.
| https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1973167665075335449
| password54321 wrote:
| Touch grass. This is nothing but cringe that I wouldn't wish
| upon children.
| the_duke wrote:
| Kids are going to absolutely love this.
| dukeyukey wrote:
| Kids also love Cocomelon, that doesn't mean we should
| create literally infinite amounts of this. It's like
| digital tobacco.
| password54321 wrote:
| This is why a group of single/childless men should not be
| behind products they think will be good for children.
| Children can watch Skibidi Toilet on loop a million times
| and not get bored, that doesn't mean it is good for them.
| smrtinsert wrote:
| I agree with the idea that they will like it, but I don't
| think it will look anything like this. I imagine native AI
| generations willl produce content will probably be
| instrutable to anyone older, requiring meme translations.
| Maybe a channel can be an AI decipherer. Hah.
|
| I've long thought that AI will force new distribution methods
| because old media is so markedly against it... Maybe this is
| another Netflix vs Blockbuster moment.
| motoxpro wrote:
| People in this thread saying that this is the kind of content
| kids like should go on tiktok for a sec. This is not at all
| what young people watch, it's just bad content, and
| misunderstanding that feels out of touch.
| mallowdram wrote:
| It's wax fruit.
| echelon wrote:
| I'm an adult. I personally found some of it funny and
| entertaining.
|
| I like appointment television too. Sometimes A24 isn't
| pretentious enough for me. But I'm not beyond saying that
| there's absolutely a time and place for saccharine.
|
| This content will grab eyeballs. I'll bet money on that.
|
| It doesn't really matter what you or I think anyway. OpenAI
| is delivering a stream of hits and will continue growing
| while we debate on the sidelines.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| Yes, this is actually what they're trying to do. Internally
| they've been working on a social network for a while but it's
| kind of languishing.
| ares623 wrote:
| I'm sure all the influencers pushing AI art will be thrilled
| about this.
| rvz wrote:
| I bet xAI and X will likely relaunch Vine with AI videos as a
| competitor to Sora 2.
| crucialfelix wrote:
| > It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social
| network - TikTok but AI.
|
| That's a direct copy of what Midjourney has done already.
|
| https://www.midjourney.com/explore?tab=videos
|
| Many people are just playing with images and the distinctive
| styles that Midjourney (the model) seems to have developed.
| It's also trained by ratings and people's interactions.
|
| When you make images you can dial down the "aesthetic".
| zain37 wrote:
| This app might top the charts via hype initially but I can't
| see why someone would stick with it long-term compared to
| other alternatives. Plus creators would have to pay soon to
| make these videos, what are they getting back? Unless they
| can make money via this
| kelvinjps10 wrote:
| Free access to openAI tools?
| ipaddr wrote:
| These creators can make millions on other platforms.
| j45 wrote:
| That's one way to build a database of verified Gen AI content
| to help filter it out.
| echelon wrote:
| After seeing the results of Sora 2, Meta and Midjourney are
| not yet competing at this level.
|
| This is the "Suno" moment for video.
|
| It's easy to make a really compelling composition. Something
| even Google Veo couldn't do.
|
| It's not the best looking video model, but it has everything
| else -- rich editing, good voices and lipsync, music and
| lyrics, animation (cartoon, 3D, anime), SFX. It's wild.
|
| The videos aren't single clips but rather complete beginning-
| middle-end stories that unfold over several cuts.
| timdiggerm wrote:
| That's interesting, but how many people are actually going to
| just scroll and watch these (thereby generating ad revenue)?
| crucialfelix wrote:
| They don't have ads, it's paid members only. You can see
| other people's images, including the prompts, so it's an
| interesting way to learn what works, and to mutate prompts
| and images. There are many ways of recombining or breeding
| images.
|
| They have an onboarding flow where you rate images and it
| tunes into your aesthetic preferences. You can create mood
| boards for specific projects.
|
| So I would say it's more community than social media.
| timdiggerm wrote:
| Yeah, and definitely not AITok
| some-guy wrote:
| My opinion is that unless there is some insane breakthrough in
| power efficiency with video generation, or if energy costs go
| down to zero, there is no way such a thing actually becomes
| profitable at the scale of scrolling TikTok. It is far more
| power efficient (and cheaper) to have people post their own
| content.
| freedomben wrote:
| There have been some big breakthroughs with hardware, though
| I'm on mobile and can't provide a link currently. I expect it
| to take done time to get into production though.
|
| Also I suspect that this won't stay free very long. Silicon
| valley loves the model of starting free to build a user base
| and then monetizing more later
| eru wrote:
| I'm not sure you need a 'breakthrough', just many incremental
| improvements will do the trick.
|
| We are also getting better at producing cheap power. For
| example thanks to intermittent sources like solar and wind,
| in many places electricity often becomes free in wholesale
| markets some times of the day.
|
| AI generation (including video) currently takes at least a
| second, and users expect that delay. So that means inference
| is not latency sensitive and you can put these data centres
| anywhere in the world, wherever power is cheapest. Model
| training cares even less about latency.
|
| At the moment, the hardware itself is too expensive (and
| nvidia has long backlogs), so people run them even when power
| is expensive. But you can easily imagine an alternative
| future where power never becomes cheaper than today (on
| average), but we have lots of AI data centres lying in wait
| around the world and only kicking into full gear when and
| where power is essentially free.
| ipaddr wrote:
| We are not getting better at producing cheaper power as the
| cost has increased per hour a lot over the last 50 years.
| But we are generating more power from different sources
| that are cleaner.
|
| Power needs to be given away or people paid to take it is
| more of a function of limited storage abilities and limited
| ability to scale down rather then generating unlimited
| power. The free power is an issue with how the system is
| built (and the type of power source) rather than a sign of
| success. The same area has to import power at higher costs
| when the sun or wind isn't as powerful.
| eru wrote:
| > Power needs to be given away or people paid to take it
| is more of a function of limited storage abilities and
| limited ability to scale down rather then generating
| unlimited power.
|
| There's no need to scale down solar or wind power.
|
| Yes, storage is another way to make money from power
| prices that differ over time.
|
| > [...] the cost has increased per hour a lot over the
| last 50 years.
|
| Some sources of power, like solar, have been dropping in
| price a lot recently.
| dwohnitmok wrote:
| I think you're overestimating how much power LLMs consume.
| Let's say one video pegs a top of the line Blackwell chip at
| 100% utilization for 10 minutes. I think a Blackwell chip
| (plus cooling and other data center overhead) is somewhere
| around 3000 watts when running 100%. So that's about 0.5
| kilowatt-hours. I suspect this is a severe overestimate
| because there's probably a significant amount of batching
| that happens that cuts down on amortized power usage, and
| non-pro Sora 2 might be processed with weaker, smaller
| models, but I'm not very confident.
|
| Data centers seem to have wholesale rates of around 4 cents
| per kilowatt-hour on the higher end.
|
| This gets you 2 cents per video. If you're generating 50
| million videos per day (an estimate on the higher side of how
| many TikTok videos are uploaded every day), that costs you a
| million dollars a day.
|
| So if you entirely subsidized for free the entirety of _all
| of TikTok_ 's video generation just using LLMs, I don't think
| energy generation costs exceed 365 million a year (and I
| think this might be very severely estimating costs, but there
| are some large error bars here).
|
| I'm pretty sure OpenAI (or any company) would be pretty happy
| to pay 365 million dollars a year for the soft social power
| of something like TikTok. Just the influence this buys in
| politics and social discourse would be worth the pricetag
| alone.
|
| And that's of course leaving aside any form of monetization
| whatsoever (where in reality you'd likely be charging the
| heaviest users the most).
|
| N.B. I'm also not sure it's actually more power efficient for
| users to post their own content in absolute terms. It seems
| not unlikely that the amount of energy it takes to produce,
| edit, and process a TikTok video exceeds half a kilowatt-
| hour. But maybe you're focused solely on the video hoster.
| wavemode wrote:
| > It seems not unlikely that the amount of energy it takes
| to produce, edit, and process a TikTok video exceeds half a
| kilowatt-hour.
|
| That would be really remarkable, considering the total
| power capacity of a phone battery is in the neighborhood of
| 0.015 kWh
| dwohnitmok wrote:
| Yeah I should clarify. This is a very vague estimate
| around "total energy spent for making a video you
| wouldn't otherwise do" which includes stuff like
| lighting, transportation, video transcoding on the
| server, script writing, actor coordination, etc. E.g. if
| someone drives somewhere solely to make a video they
| otherwise wouldn't, then it gets included.
|
| I hedged as "not unlikely" because I'd need to think
| harder about the amortization of more energy expensive
| videos vs less energy expensive ones and how much energy
| you can actually attribute to a video vs the video solely
| being an activity that would be an add-on to something
| that would happen anyways.
|
| But it's not just the energy expenditure of a phone.
|
| (I also think that 0.5 kilowatt-hours is an overestimate
| of energy expenditure by potentially up to two orders of
| magnitude depending on how much batching is done, but my
| original comment did say 0.5 kWh).
| thegeomaster wrote:
| You didn't include the amortized cost of a Blackwell GPU,
| which is an order of magnitude larger expense than
| electricity.
| dwohnitmok wrote:
| Yeah that's fair (although the original comment was only
| talking about energy costs).
|
| But this is kind of a worst case cost analysis. I fully
| expect that the average non-pro Sora 2 video has one to
| two orders of magnitude less GPU utilization than I
| listed here (because I think those video tokens are
| probably generated at a batch size of ~100 per batch).
| dom96 wrote:
| > Sora is not available in The United Kingdom yet
|
| Well this is disappointing. I can't even watch your links.
| necovek wrote:
| Same here (another country): pretty sure that the creator
| gets no clear indication their URL won't work for everybody.
| a1371 wrote:
| When they launched Sora, one of the first things people did was
| rendering a person holding a cardboard with a message on it. It
| started by asking for features and eventually turned into
| people responding to each other.
|
| One conversation I remember was complaining about people who
| constantly want AI pictures of anime feet.
|
| I think OpenAI is just responding to the users.
| razodactyl wrote:
| How dare you be critical about a service offering in favour of
| a better end-user experience! /s
| morleytj wrote:
| Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about
| technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a
| societally terrible thing to try and create.
|
| What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid
| viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.
| felipeerias wrote:
| At least now we know that AGI is definitely not happening.
| freedomben wrote:
| Can you explain a bit more? I'm intrigued by your comment,
| but not seeing the connection
| felipeerias wrote:
| I'm just sceptical that OpenAI would be making "TikTok
| for AI" if they really believed that we are on the verge
| of creating Artificial General Intelligence.
| afavour wrote:
| I just see it as a (sad) reflection of capitalism. Those
| investors need some short term returns!
| JacobThreeThree wrote:
| This does not make any sense. There's far more economic
| opportunity with AGI.
| afavour wrote:
| But if it's more than a few years out then investors will
| start getting upset. They want money and are short term
| minded.
| idle_zealot wrote:
| > There's far more economic opportunity with
|
| Is there? Creating AGI sounds like a great way to utterly
| upend every assumption that our economy and governments
| are built on. It would be incredibly destabilizing.
| That's not typically good for business. There's no
| telling who will profit once that genie is out of the
| bottle, or if profit will even continue to be a
| meaningful concept.
| xmprt wrote:
| I hear this comment a lot and I don't get it. Let's say
| AGI exists but it costs $100/hr to operate and it has the
| intelligence of a good PhD student. Does that suddenly
| mean that the economy breaks down or will the goalposts
| shift to AGI being "economical" and that PhD level isn't
| good enough? I still haven't gotten a heard a clear
| definition of AGI which makes me think that it will break
| the world.
| dsign wrote:
| It won't break the world, but it's warranted that it will
| break the world of people doing labor and getting paid
| for it. And when you think of it, even being a mediocre
| (or even moronic) investor is practicing a form of labor,
| so not even capital ownership is safe in the long run.
| And yes, generational wealth is a thing but there are
| tides that slowly shift wealth from A to B (e.g. from USA
| to China). Have a machine smart enough with even a sliver
| of motivation (intrinsic or extrinsic) to get some wealth
| for itself, and just watch what happens...
| fmbb wrote:
| This is what Open AI themselves believe the risk is:
|
| > By "defeat," I don't mean "subtly manipulate us" or
| "make us less informed" or something like that - I mean a
| literal "defeat" in the sense that we could all be
| killed, enslaved or forcibly contained.
|
| Linked from https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-
| and-beyond/
| eru wrote:
| Why not do both?
| na4ma4 wrote:
| > "Come on," he droned, "I've been ordered to take you
| down to the bridge. Here I am, brain the size of a planet
| and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that
| job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't."
|
| Just reminds me of this: <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/T
| he_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th...>
| groggo wrote:
| It's pretty entertaining.
|
| People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips,
| movies, they're all just telling a story with a different
| amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering
| the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool.
|
| I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think
| it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and
| maybe argue that those issues outweigh the benefit, but hard
| to say it's not going to be fun for some people.
| dukeyukey wrote:
| It's undeniably cool. But look at Cocomelon on YouTube,
| it's hard to see how this won't converge to something
| similar, only infinitely more scalable.
| maplethorpe wrote:
| Not to speak for the OP, but I think they would argue
| that 'Cocomelon' type content would be a great use of the
| tech.
| afavour wrote:
| I think it's really cool... and I'm still concerned about
| the long term implications of it. We've already seen a lot
| of TV get worse and worse (e.g. more reality tv) in a quest
| to reduce costs. It's not difficult to imagine a reality
| where talented people can't make great content because it's
| cheaper to thump out bargain basement AI slop.
| eru wrote:
| We could start by banning cameras, so that people have to
| draw by hand again. /s
| morleytj wrote:
| The democratization of storytelling is probably the best
| argument in favor, I'd agree. Thank you for the response!
|
| I do find the actual generation of video very cool as a
| technical process. I would also say that I can find a lot
| of things cool or interesting that I think are also
| probably deleterious to society on the whole, and I worry
| about the possibility of slop feeds that are optimized to
| be as addictive as possible, and this seems like another
| step in that direction. Hopefully it won't be, but
| definitely something that worries me.
| slg wrote:
| >Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a
| story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's
| imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of
| stuff is so cool.
|
| This response just never feels true to me. Many of the most
| successful web comics are crude drawings of just stick
| figures and text[1] with potentially a little color thrown
| in[2] and like half of the videos I see on TikTok are just
| a person talking into the forward facing camera of their
| phone. The barrier to entry in the pre-AI world isn't
| actually that high if you have something interesting to
| say. So when I see this argument about lowering the barrier
| to entry, I can't stop myself from thinking that maybe the
| problem is that these people have nothing interesting to
| say, but no one can admit that to themselves so they must
| blame it on the production values of their content which
| _surely_ will be improved by AI.
|
| [1] - https://xkcd.com/
|
| [2] - https://explosm.net/
| morleytj wrote:
| This is a thing I think about often.
|
| I think people have a mistaken view of what makes some
| form of storytelling interesting. Perhaps this is my own
| bias, but something could be incredibly technically
| proficient or realistic and I could find it utterly
| uninteresting. This is because the interesting part is in
| what is unique about the perspective of the people
| creating it and ideas they want to express, in relation
| to their own viewpoint and background.
|
| Like you pointed out, many famous and widely enjoyed
| pieces of media are extremely simple in their portrayal.
| slg wrote:
| >Perhaps this is my own bias, but something could be
| incredibly technically proficient or realistic and I
| could find it utterly uninteresting. This is because the
| interesting part is in what is unique about the
| perspective of the people creating it and ideas they want
| to express, in relation to their own viewpoint and
| background.
|
| I completely agree. And now that you mention this, I
| realize I didn't even point to the most obvious and
| famous examples of this sort of thing with artists like
| Picasso and Van Gogh.
|
| If someone criticizes Picasso's or Van Gogh's lack of
| realism, they are completely missing the point of their
| work. They easily could have and occasional did go for a
| more photorealistic look, but that isn't what made them
| important artists. What set them apart was the ways they
| eschewed photorealism in order to communicate something
| deeper.
|
| Similarly, creating art in their individual styles isn't
| interesting because it shifts the primary goal from
| communication to emulation. That is all AI art really is,
| attempts at imitation, and imitation without iteration
| just isn't interesting from an artistic or storytelling
| perspective.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _I can 't stop myself from thinking that maybe the
| problem is that these people have nothing interesting to
| say_
|
| Social media is the new CB radio.
|
| But now with an AI-powered addiction factor so you can
| never put it down, no matter how bad it is.
|
| Blipverts are next.
| eru wrote:
| > People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips,
| movies, they're all just telling a story with a different
| amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination.
|
| It's not just different amounts, but different kinds. A
| (good) comic strip isn't just the full text of a book plus
| some pictures..
| sensanaty wrote:
| This "barrier of entry" rhetoric reads like a pure buzzword
| dreamed up by AI pushers with no actual meaning to it. The
| barrier has NEVER been lower to produce books or comic
| strips or anything else like that. Hell, look at xkcd,
| there's nothing technically challenging about it, it's
| quite literally just stick figures, yet it's massively
| popular because it's clever and well thought out.
|
| What exactly is this enabling, other than the mass
| generation of low quality, throwaway crap that exists
| solely to fatten up Altman's wallet some more?
| groggo wrote:
| What about the era of flash cartoons? Remember "End of Ze
| World"? In a way that's throwaway crap. Or it could have
| been written as a comic strip, or animated manually. But
| Flash kinda opened up this whole new world of games and
| animation. AI is doing the same.
|
| One that comes to mind is a sort of podcast-style of two
| cats having a conversation, and in each "episode" there's
| some punchline where they end up laughing about some cat
| stereotype. Definitely low quality garbage, but I guess
| what I mean by "barrier of entry" (sorry for the
| buzzword), is just that this is going to enable a new
| generation of content, memes, whatever you want to call
| it.
| janalsncm wrote:
| > We are giving users the tools and optionality to be in
| control of what they see on the feed
|
| If this works it is a more powerful algorithm shaping
| mechanism than TikTok's revealed preference feed. Even if
| Sora doesn't take off, it could force TikTok to integrate
| something similar.
| stingraycharles wrote:
| Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it's
| that I'm typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and
| society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just
| don't comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media
| app whose biggest feature is "it disappears within 24h!"
| (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would
| become as big as it became.
|
| Also, remember that it's not about benefitting society as a
| whole, it's about benefitting the investors. If the investors
| get rich at the cost of society, it's a win for OpenAI.
| morleytj wrote:
| Certainly, and that is the more pessimistic view that I
| have, that this is being developed with a view to introduce
| product sponsorships and advertisements.
|
| I mainly am curious if anyone has the view that there is
| broader benefit to the development of this, after all,
| wasn't that the entire mission statement of OpenAI?
|
| Quoting from their announcement on their site:
|
| > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research
| company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the
| way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole,
| unconstrained by a need to generate financial return.
|
| This feels like something constrained by the need to
| generate a financial return, and not something primarily
| focused on understanding physics and world models, to be
| blunt.
|
| source: https://openai.com/index/introducing-openai/
| komali2 wrote:
| Aren't they trying to go for-profit and escape that
| albatross around their neck of "must feasibly be doing
| social good?"
| eru wrote:
| > I would have never guessed a social media app whose
| biggest feature is "it disappears within 24h!" (even though
| you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big
| as it became.
|
| Or 'everything has to fit into 120 characters' (= Twitter).
| Or 'replies are designed to be maximally rage bait-y' (=
| Tumblr).
| mejutoco wrote:
| To be fair at least Twitter started with the SMS
| limitations, so it made sense to have the limitation in
| exchange for being able to update it with an SMS, when
| Whatsup was not so common.
| butlike wrote:
| Fun fact: twitter originally started with a 160 char
| limit that was truncated to 120 so people could
| reasonably fit usernames
| fennecbutt wrote:
| None. But the people love clout. It's baked into our tribal
| nature.
| idiotsecant wrote:
| The benefit of it is getting users and making money. A
| corporation is an organism that eats money. It doesn't need a
| 'why'.
| XenophileJKO wrote:
| Isn't it kind of fundamentally better. A huge problem with
| tiktok is doing stupid things on video. On a site where the
| premise is fake video. Making stupid videos is a very
| different societal cost.
| morleytj wrote:
| You're right that the societal cost is very different. I
| hadn't thought about people doing the stupid things on
| video, I think personally I focus on the effects of the
| consumption moreso.
|
| Personally I think the problem with TikTok is largely based
| in hyperoptimized content specialized to your interest
| shaping your worldview and isolating your perspective of
| the world from others, as well as probably being pretty bad
| for the ability to maintain attention and engage with long
| form narratives and ideas. I don't really think TikTok is
| unique here, other than that it's the best in the game at
| doing it and keeping people's attention.
|
| But overall I suppose I just see something like this as
| potentially worse in those regards, but maybe I'm overly
| pessimistic.
| winkelmann wrote:
| I think a dedicated "TikTok but AI" is infinitely better than
| AI videos polluting other platforms. Of course, in practice,
| the latter is already the case, rendering the theoretical
| benefits of the former kind of moot.
|
| Nonetheless, a platform for AI videos with an audience
| looking for them, rather than the horrible "boomer-slop" that
| is prevalent on other social media, is welcome in my eyes.
| SchemaLoad wrote:
| I don't think this is going to reduce the slop on other
| sites at all though.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _I think a dedicated "TikTok but AI" is infinitely better
| than AI videos polluting other platforms._
|
| They'll just cross-post. That's been going on since back
| when Facebook was The Face Book.
| raincole wrote:
| As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless
| pop entertainment could be.
|
| (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since
| I read _Amusing Ourselves to Death_. Can one form of
| entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is
| fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there
| 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still
| think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is more meaningful
| than scrolling TikTok. The crisis part is that I can't
| justify this belief with words.
| wrigby wrote:
| There are two completely distinct differences that jump out
| to me initially that I think may help justify your
| feelings:
|
| 1: Reading a long book demands focus on a longer timespan
| than scrolling TikTok, and with focusing on a single thing
| for a long time, we get a sense of accomplishment. I don't
| know how to justify this as valuable, but for some reason I
| feel that it is.
|
| 2: The Song of Ice and Fire (and GoT) were consumed by a
| huge proportion of people, and you now have this in common
| with them. This act of consuming entertainment also grants
| you a way to connect with other humans - you have so much
| to talk about. Contrast that with an algorithmic feed,
| which is unique just for you - no one else sees your exact
| feed. Of course, there are tons of people that see some of
| the same snippets of content, if their interests overlap
| with yours, but it's not nearly as universal as having read
| the same series of books (and there's much less to talk
| about when you've seen the same 17-second short form video
| than when you've both invested dozens of hours in reading
| the same series of books).
|
| I don't think these thoughts fully justify your belief, but
| hopefully they provide some support to it.
| raincole wrote:
| I think the point 2 will rub many people the wrong way
| (me included) though. That would make reading _Fourth
| Wing_ or _Twilight_ a more connecting experience than
| most classics. (Nothing inherently wrong with that,
| but... you know...)
| matthewaveryusa wrote:
| The classics were classic because they were the most
| available and the most popular stories of their time, and
| they meant more in an era where creating and
| disseminating media was difficult. I love to romanticize
| a world where we go back to the classics to connect with
| our past and present better, even if just for the sake of
| efficiency. For better or for worse media is more
| ephemeral which means getting to a common vocabulary is
| one step removed. It's really a fun time to be alive.
| echelon wrote:
| Welcome to the future, where the notion of "classics" is
| just a point in the memetic information manifold:
|
| https://x.com/theo/status/1973167911419412985 (Music
| video with Sam Altman as Skibidi Toilet)
|
| This is pretty fun.
|
| These keep getting wilder and wilder:
|
| https://x.com/MatthewBerman/status/1973115097339011225
| (Kinda gross)
|
| https://x.com/cloud11665/status/1973115723309515092
| (Japanese)
|
| It can do cartoons:
|
| https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1973158674899280077
| (Rick and Morty)
|
| https://x.com/TheJasonRink/status/1973163915476611314
| (Family Guy)
|
| https://x.com/cfryant/status/1973162037305024650 (Family
| Guy Horror)
|
| Incredibly convincing anime:
|
| https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973164820863262748
|
| Minecraft meets GTA:
|
| https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1973160337752121435
|
| Super Mario in the real world:
|
| https://x.com/skirano/status/1973184329619743217
|
| Super solid looking movie trailer:
|
| https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447
|
| Damn:
|
| https://x.com/theo/status/1973210960522559746
| ketlag wrote:
| If you think this stuff is going to last longer than four
| months, dog, we're cooked.
| echelon wrote:
| I've been watching these videos for about an hour now.
|
| I really want to call this the "Suno moment" for AI
| video.
|
| Prior to Sora 2, you had to prompt a lot of clips which
| you then edited together. You had to create a starting
| frame, maybe do some editing. Roll the dice a lot.
|
| Veo 3 gave us the first glimpse of a complex ensemble
| clip with multiple actors talking in a typically social
| media or standup comedy fashion. But it was still just an
| ingredient for some larger composition, and it was
| missing a lot of the soul that a story with a beginning-
| middle-end structure has.
|
| Sora 2 has some internal storytelling mechanic. I'm not
| sure what they did, but it understands narrative
| structure and puts videos into an arc. You see the
| characters change over the course of the video. They're
| not just animated Harry Potter portraits. They're alive.
| And they do things that change the world they're in.
|
| Furthermore, Sora 2 has really good "taste" and
| "aesthetic", if that makes sense. It has good
| understanding of shot types, good compositions, good
| editing, good audio. It does music. It brings together so
| much complexity in choice and arranges them into a very
| good final output.
|
| I'm actually quite blown away by this.
|
| Just like Suno made AI music simple and easy - it handled
| lyrics, chorus, beat, medley, etc. - this model handles
| all of the ingredients of a 10 second video. It's
| stunning.
|
| Sora 2 isn't the highest quality video model. It doesn't
| have the best animation. But it's the best content
| machine I've ever seen.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| I can see this, it's extremely impressive from a
| technological standpoint, and I've already been caught by
| the first convincing fakes on Reddit (an army person
| giving an anti-Trump speech). But I'm also worried, as
| it's a super easy channel to create convincing fakes,
| mass produced 'content' for mass consumption, etc.
|
| Now these things aren't new, fake videos / images go back
| decades if not a century. But they took some effort to
| make, whereas this technology makes it possible for it to
| take less effort than it took for me to write this
| comment.
|
| Of course, it's always my choice; if I stop visiting
| Reddit and touch grass instead it really won't affect me
| directly.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Maybe some MAY end up in compiliations in ten years, much
| like Vines do today. But there will be a million times
| more tiktoks and a billion times more AI generated videos
| than there were vines, so if 0.01% of vines became
| memetic, the amount of AI generated ones will be
| infintesimal.
| echelon wrote:
| Content is all ephemeral on some time scale, but you can
| cache the near-term content to maximize the views and cut
| back on compute costs. Some model or human made it (the
| cost), it's trending (the value), so keep it around for a
| bit.
|
| Everything has a relevancy and penetration decay curve.
|
| The funny thing is, I think this law applied in the
| classical era (1950's, 1990's, etc.), we just weren't
| creating at scale to realize it.
|
| Maybe it's just one dominant variable: novelty. I'd be
| curious to see how we might model this.
| MattRix wrote:
| That movie trailer isn't made with Sora (or AI at all, as
| far as I can tell?)
| icemelt8 wrote:
| you are right, its an actual movie called Planet
| Geenkaas wrote:
| The irony is not lost I hope.
| ForHackernews wrote:
| > Super solid looking movie trailer:
|
| > https://x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973142061114335447
|
| This isn't AI generated. They're a production company and
| they made a short film:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLoTjxd-Ss
| durumu wrote:
| I think that short film is AI generated. I only watched
| like 30 seconds of an office scene in the middle but it
| spontaneously changed from daytime to nighttime with zero
| explanation.
| ForHackernews wrote:
| He says it's not:
| https:/x.com/jasonjoyride/status/1973164183798816773
|
| >> How do you get HD renders? im getting like super low
| res shit
|
| >It's because this isn't AI
|
| I haven't watched the film, but the premise is something
| about an orbiting space station. I could easily imagine
| scenes featuring rapid day/night cycles like astronauts
| experience on the ISS.
| denhaus wrote:
| the final one is not AI, it's a glorb video from years
| ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYSK-_hVDQ
| cptaj wrote:
| The thing is that literature, and art in general, should
| be more than just entertainment. It should edify the
| reader, communicate some concept, moral lesson or keen
| insight about the world.
|
| Remember when you were taught to extract the "moral of
| the story" in school? That was the whole point. That form
| of communication is what makes art valuable and it
| definitely is what makes some art more valuable than
| others.
| skydhash wrote:
| If you've read the classics, then you will likely find a
| circle you can connect too. I've gone through "The
| Malazan Book of the Fallen" and it's a signal to know who
| are truly in epic military fantasy.
| rixed wrote:
| Depends if you are trying to connect to your
| contemporaries or to mankind in general. Aren't
| "classics" just timeless pop?
| failingforward wrote:
| > That would make reading Fourth Wing or Twilight a more
| connecting experience than most classics.
|
| I prefer classics myself, but this is exactly why booktok
| works (and why Fourth Wing blew up the way it did).
| bradstewart wrote:
| Reading the classics, in some sense, connects you to
| everyone who ever read them across all of human history.
| That's not nothing.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| You're missing what I think is the major one:
| fulfillment.
| morleytj wrote:
| I think reading does force more long term focus, even if
| it's marginal for certain books. Certainly moreso than
| scrolling TikTok.
|
| My personal process of grappling with this led to a focus
| on agency and intentionality when defining the difference.
|
| Scrolling TikTok, much as scrolling Twitter or Facebook or
| Instagram or YouTube's recommendations would be, is an
| entirely passive activity. You sit back and you allow the
| Content to be fed to you.
|
| Reading a book requires at least a bare minimum of
| selecting a book to read, choosing to finish that book, and
| intentionally choosing at any given time to spend your time
| reading that particular book. Similar things can be said
| for selecting movies. The important part in my mind is that
| you chose it, rather than letting someone or something else
| pick what they think you'll like.
|
| The process of picking things yourself allows you to
| develop taste and understand what you like and dislike,
| mentally offloading that to someone or something else
| removes the opportunity to develop that capability.
|
| I think there's arguments to be made against this view: how
| can you decide what to read or watch without getting
| recommendations or opinions? If you only engage with
| popular media isn't it just a slower process of the same
| issue?
|
| But I do believe there is a fundamental difference between
| passivity and active evaluation of engagement as mental
| processes, and it's the exact reason why it is harder to do
| than scrolling is.
| eru wrote:
| Eh, old people always complain about the media of the
| younger generation.
|
| Compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesesucht (use
| Google Translate).
| morleytj wrote:
| Am I that old already? I just turned 29 a few months ago.
| dns_snek wrote:
| I think this is a pretty lazy dismissal as far as things
| go. Yes people "always complain" about many things, but
| that's the _correct_ response to things that are always
| getting worse.
|
| The gist of your linked article is that they were opposed
| to reading because they believed that reading distracted
| people from labor, which they considered undisciplined
| and immoral. Of course there also seems to be a healthy
| dose of misogyny associated with it:
|
| > Poeckel's statement that women should acquire a certain
| amount of knowledge, but not too much, because then they
| could become a "burden on human society," is
| representative of many other texts in which reading
| regulations played a central role.
|
| Then once you get to the progression of books > comics >
| movies > Youtube > TikTok (did I miss any?), you can
| observe a steady decrease in the amount of cognitive
| effort required to engage with the medium and a reduction
| in attention spans. Reduced attention span is a
| legitimate concern and it's only getting worse as time
| goes on (ask teachers).
|
| I actually enjoy TikTok in moderation these days but I
| worry about people who struggle to engage with anything
| _but_ TikTok, it 's like a generational ratchet that only
| seems to go one way, towards shorter and shorter
| attention spans.
|
| Maybe someone can make the argument that this won't
| actually matter, but it's incorrect to say that things
| haven't changed in observable and measurable ways, and
| that people are just complaining about nothing.
| jplusequalt wrote:
| While I believe that long form content such as YouTube
| essays can actually be intellectually stimulating
| depending on how you engage with the video itself (e.g.
| do you actively watch it, or do you just have it on in
| the background?), I truly believe that 95% of TikTok is
| just mindless slop.
|
| My S.O. probably spends 3 hours a day on TikTok/Reels and
| I seriously doubt they could remember even 10% of what
| they saw in that time. It's like a part of their brain
| turns off while scrolling.
| block_dagger wrote:
| Where does HN comment lurking lie in the range between
| passivity and active evaluation, I wonder?
| api wrote:
| There are probably ways you could explore this
| quantitatively by trying to measure the amount of novel
| latent information in the data you are ingesting, or by
| trying to quantify its effects on cognition.
|
| Most short form content would probably score low. It's
| short, for one, and it tends to be repetitive and lack
| anything like plot complexity or nuance.
|
| Of course it's not like trite pop is new. Way back in the
| dime store novel days it was called pulp. TikTok is just
| one of the latest iterations. People have always consumed
| dumb filler.
| Tryk wrote:
| One analogy is to liken tiktok (and shortform content) as
| exploring the shallows. Walking around, close to the
| shoreline, you explore pieces of flotsam that the sea
| washes your way. You might spend a lifetime on this shore,
| walking up and down, but most would argue that you've
| actually never gone anywhere.
|
| On the other hand, reading a book is like getting on a
| boat. You've made certain preparations for acquiring the
| vessel and set course through unknown territory. A journey
| away from the shore and away from what's immediately at
| hand, which can also turn out to be a journey towards self-
| discovery.
| JacobThreeThree wrote:
| If society only consisted of the people in a given
| sector/industry, could it continue and flourish? If we only
| had engineers, how would society fare versus if we only had
| influencers? In this paradigm, there's no difference
| between fine art and pop art.
| TheDong wrote:
| > Can one form of entertainment really be more well-
| regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different
| from pop art?
|
| It depends on what you want to get out of art.
|
| Do you want human connection and shared cultural context so
| you can talk to real friends about things? Do you want
| virtual friends and connections? Do you want ideas to
| inspire you to create your own things, or change how you
| think?
|
| Do you just want to distract yourself from how hungry you
| are, how much inequality is in the world, and how depressed
| you are, letting death draw closer?
|
| All of those are valid things, and different art is more
| meaningful for different goals.
|
| Scrolling tiktok fits into the last one, it's burning time
| to avoid thinking about things, moving you closer to death.
| Song of Ice and Fire builds a large coherent world, has
| bits of morality and human relation, and all of those can
| spark ideas and be related to your own human suffering, so
| it indeed feels more valid to me as a way to reflect and
| change how you think.
| android521 wrote:
| well, one destroys your attention span and brain
| gnramires wrote:
| You might enjoy some of my writings on formalizing meaning
| (see here[1] and follow the links). In some way, although
| not always reliable, you can say that if you feel A is more
| meaningful than B, that is already some kind of evidence
| for this assertion even if perhaps unreliable in some ways.
|
| So there isn't necessarily some huge crisis that you need
| to justify: in some ways reality _just is_ (and this
| includes subjective reality;).
|
| Say if you ask why do the laws of physics conserve energy
| locally, you can actually argue that if it were otherwise
| actually life would be extremely more unlikely, as that
| tends to increase instability in various systems (both
| energy divergence and going to 0 makes life unlikely); but
| still I'm almost certain you could conceive of forms of
| life in non-energy-conservative systems (something like
| Conway's Game of Life, but maybe with more advance rules if
| you prefer). So while it makes sense that the physics in
| our universe is approximately locally conservative (maybe
| not exactly in GR?), in totality it's just kind of a brute
| fact, an experimental observation. Our theories help us
| devise say better experiments to test e. conservation, and
| in a way map out the landscape of consistent physical laws.
| But they don't tell you which realization of consistent or
| admissible laws you'll find yourself in.
|
| Other way to phrase it, what you feel is in a way _real_.
| So if you feel in some fundamental way better reading A
| than B, then that simply reflects a property of reality and
| needs no further explanation. The only problem is that in
| some cases our judgement can be distorted, like by
| substances or maybe overwhelming blinding desires (that
| fail to reflect fundamental experiences) or by limitations
| of our memory, etc.. But if we assume this isn 't the case
| (i.e. some pathological reason for your preference), then
| your feeling is valid irrespective of a wordy
| justification. I think some things really are subjective,
| but also believe in a fundamental and very complex way
| subjectivity is actually as objective as anything else. I
| think the fact that one experience is actually (with some
| important caveats and necessary context) better than
| another in what might be called essentially an objective
| sense, is one of the most counterintuitive things we will
| come to accept about the human mind. We tend to mistaken
| complexity (it's very complex to compare experiences) to
| impossibility (it's impossible to judge experiences
| objectively).
|
| I believe in principle there might be the equivalent Laws
| of Physics (say Newtonian mechanics) for the human mind,
| but I suspect we're still very far from it, because it
| might require analyzing the network of n=100 trillion
| synapses in our brain. I think one day we might get there,
| but that would probably require something like a
| computational effort maybe at least several times n, or
| even on the order of n2, or some other poly(n), and also
| poly(n) memory. If we think of one of the major objectives
| of physical law is to make predictions, and explain
| behavior, and say to aid in engineering and designing
| structures, I think one of the main objective of the laws
| of the mind would be say to predict whether say an
| experience or mental state is good or not, and explain why
| it is so; and then perhaps allow improving a little the
| design of things so that we have better experiences, that
| is, a better life. I guess this is already what say
| psychology, various spiritual traditions, philosophy and
| arts try to achieve (and I think gets already in many cases
| pretty close, maybe increasingly closer, to the still
| inaccessible extremely complicated reality of the human
| mind and brain).
|
| Regardless, we often have to do our best with what we have
| today, which is our best-effort subjective judgement, aided
| by language various human disciplines :)
|
| [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1n6j1j
| g/pur...
| gnramires wrote:
| "I live my life in widening circles
|
| that reach out across the world.
|
| I may not complete this last one
|
| but I give myself to it.
|
| I circle around God, around the primordial tower.
|
| I've been circling for thousands of years
|
| and I still don't know: am I a falcon,
|
| a storm, or a great song?"
|
| -- Rainer Maria Rilke
| dsign wrote:
| Your comment makes me think that we have criminalized and
| squashed entertaining but obviously political writing out
| of existence :-) .
|
| Say that somebody writes to make certain ideas more
| visible. For example, somebody wants people to buy the idea
| that amusing oneself to death is what we do (the book you
| mentioned). Somebody else perhaps has found that we are
| chronically depressed and cynic, when instead we should be
| thinking that a dead death itself is a fine trophy to hang
| on the wall during the march of progress[^1].
|
| You can a) decide that you are set on your ways, thus
| entertainment should be pure and removed enough from
| reality so it doesn't mess with your deeply held beliefs
| and not read any of those books. or b) run the risk and
| read the thing with an open mind.
|
| A lot of people are in the a) camp. Those who are in the b)
| camp would still like to be entertained a little.
|
| [^1] Yours truly. I do that in fiction.
| https://www.ouzu.im/
| dleeftink wrote:
| There's a fitting quote from 2017's Columbus:
|
| > "[...] in its place, he identifies a different kind of
| crisis. Not the crisis of attention, but the crisis of
| interest."
|
| Our attention in fact, has never been as fully absorbed as
| is today's. In place of books and architecture (as in the
| film), our attention has shifted towards more rapid forms.
| Yet in terms of hours spent, our 'attention' towards them
| has massively increased.
|
| Is the crisis we're feeling then one of purported
| inattention, or a general loss of interest and satisfaction
| from our surrounds? What has spurred this crisis? Gabriel
| and Casey's conversation ends:
|
| > "What about everyday life? Are we losing interest in
| everyday life?"
|
| The film offers an hopeful answer.
| otabdeveloper4 wrote:
| > Can one form of entertainment really be more well-
| regarded than another?
|
| This is a no-brainer question. For an extreme example: CSAM
| is a form of entertainment for some people.
| panta wrote:
| I think some forms of entertainment can have also redeeming
| qualities. A novel can be seen (also) as a form of
| entertainment but it can also be a vehicle for a message.
| The difference with social media sized alternatives is that
| with the latter the "consumer" is much more passive, at
| most it's expected to react emotionally without thinking.
| On the other hand with the former there is an interaction
| between the work and the reader/viewer. Some books have the
| ability to make you re-evaluate your beliefs and your
| values, without being manipulative. Art is not necessarily
| entertaining.
| madaxe_again wrote:
| I prescribe Plato - Republic, book X, specifically. How can
| one set of shadows on the wall be better than another, as
| they're just shadows, degraded representations of the real?
|
| Or perhaps Aristotle's Poetics - pop culture has value
| _because_ it is mimetic, and AI generated pop culture is no
| less a mirror, just one which produces reflections of every
| moment, all the time - but rather than the grand catharsis
| we might experience in a work of literature with well
| wrought characters with whom we empathise, we find the void
| staring into us as we do into it. Hollow art for hollow
| men.
|
| Like it or not, the void is _culture_ , and has value
| because it reflects us, albeit through a glass, darkly.
| Timwi wrote:
| The TikTok feed is an amalgamation of posts from lots of
| people who aren't collaborating. The Song of Ice and Fire
| is a single work by a single author (or so I assume). So
| it's more like you're reading a single humongous post that
| has been "liked" (bought, positively reviewed, critically
| appraised) by a shitton of people, compared to a firehose
| of morsels that barely anyone cares about.
| jackdoe wrote:
| An old welder once told me: "It is not so important what
| you do. A bit more important is how you do it. And most
| important is why you do it."
| yakbarber wrote:
| that's a really great question.
|
| I think that it reduces down to "reward without effort is
| bad for you" - in so many different contexts in life,
| especially entertainment.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| > The crisis part is that I can't justify this belief with
| words.
|
| Here's one attempt; it's art versus content. Tiktok is
| content; it's people recording a video, sometimes in one
| take and publishing, sometimes in multiple takes with some
| editing etc, sometimes fully professional ones. But
| overall, it's cheap, rapidly produced content for cheap,
| rapid consumption. ASoIaF was a labor of years to produce
| not just a series of books, but a world, a rich history,
| and later on a multi-media enterprise that involved and
| employed millions of people, then entertained and excited
| hundreds of millions of people over the years.
|
| AI is lowering the barrier to entry even more, with anyone
| able to just punch in some words - less even than this
| comment - and produce _something_. For _someone_ to
| consume. Maybe one in a billion will be remembered or still
| popular in a decade (like how some of these cheap videos
| are still popular / remembered / quoted, think vines /
| memes). But the ratio just keeps getting worse.
|
| ASoIaF to a TikTok video is like... ASoIaF to a tweet.
| uncircle wrote:
| I've been in an existential crisis after reading Postman
| and I've since reframed the whole dilemma thusly: one of
| the highest aspirations for a person is the act of
| creation, and the result one can often call art.
|
| What is wrong is instead the routine _consumption_ of art
| created by others in a stupor to rest from the drudgery of
| daily work.
|
| Create art, don't waste your life consuming.
| physicalscience wrote:
| Could it be the incentives? With regard to books,
| paintings, theater, etc. you have an incentive to produce
| something that is meaningful or at least entertaining.
| Generally the artist is attempting to turn abstract
| thoughts or ideas into something real or quantifiable.
|
| But TV and Social Media have their incentives twisted. It's
| just about ads. They don't really care what you are seeing
| as long as you are seeing as many ads as possible. The joke
| about TV was that a valid description of it was
| advertisements with a little bit of entertainment sprinkled
| in throughout.
|
| I'm not saying that people haven't been able to use these
| platforms to build anything meaningful, but that the
| incentives and the purpose of these platforms are not to
| entertain, but to keep you glued to the feed for as long as
| possible to see as many ads as possible (which is why I
| think "rage bait" is so common).
| ralfd wrote:
| A good fiction novel has multiple aspects: of course
| entertainment/escapism, but also a larger point the author
| wants to explore. With Asoiaf George Martin wanted to
| break/subvert classic fantasy tropes. For example that the
| good guy wins (Rob Stark is marrying for love and punished
| for that in the red wedding) or the romantic knightly
| quest, here done by Brianne of Tarth, an ugly/strong woman
| instead of a male fighter.
|
| I am not sure how important fiction novels are (compared to
| reading non-fiction books or biographies who tell true
| facts about the real world), but I would say they broaden
| the horizon of the reader? And there is a selection effect
| in that "literature" was done by pretty smart people.
|
| Scrolling TikTok is often described as mindless and with
| people not describing later what videos they watched. In
| general short form content (TikTok, Instagram, X/Tweets)
| seem to be much more superficial than long form content (eg
| this hn discussion board).
| SkyBelow wrote:
| One path that might help you work out your own personal
| justifications is to find two forms of entertainment you
| enjoy at near equal levels, but where one you view as
| valuable and another as a waste. Then look at how both
| impact your life and see if you can identify what makes one
| valuable and the other a waste. This not only gives you a
| good inside view of what is happening with both forms of
| entertainment, but removes any bias to see your own version
| as superior because both forms of entertainment belong to
| you.
|
| I did this, found two things I did for fun, both consuming
| significant blocks of time. The one that felt useless left
| not real impact. I want to do more of it, but after
| spending hours on it, I'm no different than I was before
| (other than perhaps a bit more skilled at the form of
| entertainment).
|
| The other form, which was the same thing from an outside
| perspective (for example, my parents would see them as the
| same) left me different. It led to me building new goals,
| reevaluating things happening around me, spend more time
| thinking about where I'll be in 10/20 years. It led to me
| walking an hour a day and to start jogging some to build my
| endurance, despite the form of entertainment being
| unrelated to physical activity. I don't think this is
| innately a property of one entertainment form over another,
| but more about my personal relationship to entertainment.
|
| Using this, how do 'poorly regarded' entertainment impact
| those engaging in it, compared to 'well regarded'
| entertainment? Are their lives better for it?
| jplusequalt wrote:
| >The crisis part is that I can't justify this belief with
| words
|
| Reading thousand page novels requires actively engaging
| with the material as you grow your vocabulary, and explore
| new ideas.
|
| Scrolling TikTok on the other hand is a passive process.
| Could you recall even a quarter of all the videos you see
| on your TikTok feed in a single day? I would doubt it.
| Razengan wrote:
| > The Song of Ice and Fire
|
| is a trash derivative "we have Lords of the Rings at home"
| wannabe, completely void of joy and feels like it's written
| by an angsty edgy teenager who hates the world and has
| learned about medieval history for the first time and
| wanted to add zombies and dragons, the most original
| fantasy tropes.
|
| I would honestly and unsarcastically take a day of
| scrolling through TikTok over sitting through 1 chapter of
| ASoIaF.
|
| And apparently lately the author feels so too.
| taneq wrote:
| Lotuses to eat, clearly.
| api wrote:
| I've been predicting for years that the next stop for
| "social" media is a purely machine generated slop feed
| designed to keep people addicted. No human creators at all.
|
| The question is whether people will eventually get bored with
| this stuff or if it actually will mesmerize people for huge
| fractions of their waking lives.
|
| If the latter, I suspect we will outlaw it eventually. It'd
| be like legalizing hard opiates, literally, but minus the ODs
| and health damage.
| totetsu wrote:
| My steel man would be that it sounds like exactly the kind of
| ooze that real AGI might arise from as an emergent system.
| eru wrote:
| > What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid
| viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.
|
| Tiktok makes a lot of money, doesn't it? It definitely draws
| a lot of eyeballs.
|
| Seems pretty clear what the benefit (to the company) is?
| muzani wrote:
| I like it. It's not a societal reform or anything. It's just
| people experimenting, like the Show HN section. There are
| some fun things in there and it's not as addictive as social
| media.
|
| Instagram does not welcome this and I don't think they
| should. It is its own lane. And if it's just a place to sweep
| AI slop into, that's a good thing.
| tux1968 wrote:
| There will be a cohort of technically savvy youth who enjoy
| that all the fuddy duddies are self selecting themselves off
| the platform. There will quickly be a lot of fun memes and
| exclusionary references and lingo. It will be a hit. Just not
| with anyone over thirty.
| bee_rider wrote:
| Maybe finally this is the social media thing that will cause
| people on realize it is all too dumb, and get them to
| disengage? (Although I have thought this about every new
| development for the last ~15 years so I guess it is not too
| hopeful).
| lukan wrote:
| "What's the benefit of this?"
|
| User engagement. That translates into money.
|
| Now I can see it can make for a fun party game, but that they
| seriously go after it, when their game should be leading
| models to do serious work ... is not a great sign to me.
| rvz wrote:
| And users paying to generate longer videos.
|
| Not only it has the slot-machine like addiction factor,
| it's going to make lots of money and it will take off very
| quickly.
|
| All OpenAI has to do is to make the video generation much
| much faster.
| lukan wrote:
| It will only take off, if people like it, if it becomes
| trendy and this will strongly depend on the quality of
| the generated videos.
| baxtr wrote:
| "TikTok but AI" sounds like "Cocaine but for free" to me.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Steelmanning? It's infinite content, meaning our customers
| will never run out of new and interesting videos to watch,
| which will inspire them to feed prompts into our systems too
| and have it generate more videos. Money can be generated from
| multiple angles; we can charge a premium for generating
| videos beyond a small free tier once we've hooked the
| prompters, we can offer people or companies the option to
| promote their own videos so they get put into people's feeds,
| and we can insert generated ads from big corporate sponsors.
| It'll be lit.
|
| Why should a commercial enterprise that has had billions of
| investments have benefits outside of earning money? Besides
| the entertainment value that the masses get from making and
| viewing these, of course.
| suddenlybananas wrote:
| This is your steelmanning? God it sounds awful.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| I know, right?
| smartmic wrote:
| Social media is also a wonderful tool for influencing
| participants and controlling them in the long term. In
| other words, behind the economic purposes there is a
| darker, more profound effect that is dangerous in the hands
| of a few powerful players. In the case of TikTok, that
| would be the Chinese state. Why shouldn't US Big Tech also
| be interested in this kind of power, in addition to the
| extra revenue?
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Yup, which is also why various social media owners bent
| the knee to the administration, and now TikTok is about
| to become state-controlled too. The long term effects of
| subtle social media propaganda will become apparent in
| the years to come. Or, will be vocalized, they already
| are apparent - I'm convinced social media and related,
| 24/7 "news" media are a big factor in the right shift in
| politics worldwide.
| krzat wrote:
| Would be fun if this devolved into psychodelic, hypnotic
| videos that have no cognitively discernable content (like
| white noise) but evoke an urge to press the like button.
|
| I'm just curious if such thing is possible.
| dostick wrote:
| It is a strange choice also because their model aims to be
| better than others, and obvious choice would be going after
| filmmaking market, like Veo did. And in presentation they
| tell about social aspect and scrolling, and how they would
| limit the scrolling. Are they confused and is it really just
| three guys working on it.
| baq wrote:
| A certificate of having read and understood Brave New World
| in the last 24 months should be required for being allowed to
| vote
| welferkj wrote:
| >What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid
| viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.
|
| Revealed preferences. Keep giving the people exactly what
| they want (not what they claim to want), in unlimited
| quantities, until the message is received or we're all dead.
| loa_in_ wrote:
| Think of it as Tenor GIF (a reaction gif provider) but if
| your prompt isn't there it's AI generated and cached (added)
| to the global library.
| xp84 wrote:
| Personally, I think TikTok and other video platforms are
| already awash in AI. So, in my opinion, a platform that is
| explicitly declared as containing just AI videos is actually
| less disturbing to me. Every minute spent watching known-
| fictional AI videos on this platform is a minute not spent
| watching deceptive imagery disguised as reality on TikTok.
|
| Please note that I'm not necessarily commenting on whether
| the existence of AI generated video is good or bad for our
| society, because I think it's pretty moot what we think about
| it. It's not going to just go away even if the majority of
| people here at HN or in general feel that it's problematic.
| gregorvand wrote:
| I agree that is probably part of the direction.
|
| The other is possibly there's no point in a thousand users all
| turning up to a blank prompt box and using a lot of resources
| to generate the same thing, or things they are not impressed
| by. A lot of users will 'get what they came for' initially just
| by seeing a bunch of good examples. Discussions around them
| will help them produce better outputs faster. Etc
| zetazzed wrote:
| Is it easy to record a voiceover or add chosen audio? (Sorry I
| don't have an invite code so I can't try.) I could see some
| room for human jokes or short human-driven songs that could use
| a video backdrop.
| 3abiton wrote:
| I wonder how would this pan out compared to civitai for
| example. It has a very similar features albeit for mainly OSS
| models.
| vunderba wrote:
| Given that even absolute SOTA video gen models struggle with
| continual uncut shots longer than 60 seconds - positioning it
| as a Vine/Tiktok interface makes perfect sense. Turn your
| weakness into a strength.
| danvoell wrote:
| My guess is that the entry point is to help people think about
| what to do. I still don't love the midjourney interface but it
| serves the same purpose.
| nopinsight wrote:
| Re: the clips above
|
| Although we can tell they are inaccurate, what percentage of
| people can visualize the prompts better in their mind's eyes? I
| bet a substantial number can't even tell the clips are
| generated if posted without context.
|
| In a few aspects, these world models are already pretty close
| to what we have in our brains.
| SchemaLoad wrote:
| So what's the point? We built a machine which is only capable
| of letting people stop having to imagine things?
| abathologist wrote:
| TikTock, Face Book, Twitter etc. are all aiming to be AI
| already: https://fortune.com/2024/10/30/mark-zuckerberg-ai-
| generated-...
| rukuu001 wrote:
| Spend some time on the Sora feed[1] and you can see that a
| weird kind of social-creator network has sprung up around the
| service. Turning it into a social app makes sense in that
| regard.
|
| Doesn't mean OpenAI can't do other stuff with it as well.
|
| 1.https://sora.chatgpt.com/explore
| vasco wrote:
| Tiktok is already AITok.
| nopakos wrote:
| Great. Someone now has to make a real video footage detector,
| so people don't fall for reverse-scams /s
| andsoitis wrote:
| > It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social
| network
|
| No need to guess; In the article they say that the purpose:
|
| _We first started playing with this "upload yourself" feature
| several months ago on the Sora team, and we all had a blast
| with it. It kind of felt like a natural evolution of
| communication--from text messages to emojis to voice notes to
| this.
|
| So today, we're launching a new social iOS app just called
| "Sora," powered by Sora 2. Inside the app, you can create,
| remix each other's generations, discover new videos in a
| customizable Sora feed, and bring yourself or your friends in
| via cameos. With cameos, you can drop yourself straight into
| any Sora scene with remarkable fidelity after a short one-time
| video-and-audio recording in the app to verify your identity
| and capture your likeness._
| jplusequalt wrote:
| I have been saying this for a long time--generative art is just
| fine grained consumption. Instead of searching through
| YouTube/TikTok for content that may interest you, you can now
| just ask your LLM to generate what you want to see that moment.
| It's the next evolution of keeping the masses addicted to their
| devices, and we as software engineers are gleefully supporting
| this ... because?
| sunnybeetroot wrote:
| Because it pays our bills?
| reaperducer wrote:
| Packing meth into tiny baggies pays someone's bills, too.
| jdc0589 wrote:
| > It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social
| network - TikTok but AI.
|
| Makes sense. I hate it, but the timing is probably good for
| them to try. There's going to be a mass exodus from TikTok in
| the US at some point, and those people will land somewhere.
| johanyc wrote:
| > It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social
| network - TikTok but AI.
|
| That's my first impression too after seeing the screenshots of
| the sora app.
| ryukoposting wrote:
| As silly as I think all of these tools are, my eye tells me
| Sora is incrementally better at making short videos of red
| balls dropping into clear bowls. None of them are totally
| convincing, but the first Sora clip is easily the best of the
| bunch.
| ionwake wrote:
| I think HN is too political like this tech is clearly amazing and
| it's great they shipped it there should be more props even if
| it's a billion dollar company.
| Voloskaya wrote:
| Yes the tech is amazing. But tech is not everything, after 20
| years of social media, its pretty clear to everyone that those
| things can have large long term impact both positive and
| negative for society, discussing the potential impacts of the
| tech is not being "political", its just being interested in the
| future.
| ionwake wrote:
| Im not sure, what if society only learns through hardships?
| Voloskaya wrote:
| Well certainly if you don't want us to discuss the possible
| implications ahead, then yes we can only close our eyes and
| learn from hardship once it's there, but then what do we
| learn ? To not close our eyes next time ? We could just do
| that like now.
| ionwake wrote:
| I think it depends on the time and place. So in this
| context it doesnt matter too much, its a billion dollar
| company, but if it was a guy with a project he just spent
| all year on, publishing it on HN for the first time, I
| would expect people to focus less on teh politics and
| more on the achievement which is something I dont see too
| often, unless the work is stellar. Perhaps there is just
| a high bar on HN
| unfitted2545 wrote:
| There's a great lyric from ELUCID I think about when people say
| stuff like this:
|
| > I don't have the privilege to think everything ain't
| political
| ionwake wrote:
| i guess what I am saying is, though everything is political,
| it doesn't ahve to be "so" political.
| unfitted2545 wrote:
| Yeah I suppose so, most comments on this kinda thing are
| not really discussing the technology in a vacuum. I imagine
| it's due to the quite cynical nature of HN at this
| particular time period where society is fundamentally
| shifting, in arguably a negative direction, with this kind
| of technology as one of the main reasons. I haven't been on
| HN for that long, what was it like 5-10 years ago? I'm
| curious how it will be in 5-10 years.
| doikor wrote:
| Does this survive panning the camera away for 5 to 10 seconds and
| then back? Or basic conversation scene with the camera cutting
| between being located behind either speaker once every few
| seconds?
|
| Basically proper working persistence of the scene.
| bsenftner wrote:
| Dude, this generation of AI video models are just starting to
| have basic camera production terms understood, and then it is
| exactly like LLM generation: it's a pull of a slot machine arm;
| you might get what you want, but that's "winning" and the slot
| machine only gives out winners one in every 100 pulls. Every
| possible thing that could not be right happens.
|
| For example, I'm working with a walking and talking character
| at this time using multiple AI video models and systems.
| Generated clips any length longer than 8 seconds risk rapid
| quality loss, but _sometimes_ you can get up to 12-19 seconds
| without the generation breaking down. That means one needs to
| simulate a multiple camera shoot on a stage, so you can cut
| around the character(s) and create a longer sequence. But now
| you need to have multiple views of the same location to place
| your character(s) into - and current AI models can 't reliably
| give you a "different angled views" of an environment. We just
| got consistent different views of characters, and it'll be
| another period until environments can be generally examined
| from any view. BUT, that's if people realize this is not in the
| models yet, and so far people are so fascinated by the fantasy
| violence and sexual content they can make nobody realizes you
| cannot simply "look left and right" in any of these models and
| that even works with consistency or reliability. There are
| workarounds, like creating one's entire set and environments in
| 3D models, for use as the backgrounds and starting frames, but
| that's now 3D media production + AI, and none of the AI tools
| generate media that even has alpha channels, and a lot of
| similar incompatibilities like that.
| carrozo wrote:
| Sora 2: Sloppy Seconds
| CSMastermind wrote:
| Anyone have an invite they want to share with me lol.
| apetresc wrote:
| If anyone is feeling generous with one of their four invite
| codes, I'd really appreciate it. I'm at adrian@apetre.sc.
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| Really impressive engineering work. The videos have gotten good
| enough that they can grab your attention and trigger a strong
| uncanny valley feeling.
|
| I think OpenAI is actually doing a great job at easing people
| into these new technologies. It's not such a huge leap in
| capabilities that it's shocking, and it helps people acclimate
| for what's coming. This version is still limited but you can tell
| that in another generation or two it's going to break through
| some major capabilities threshold.
|
| To give a comparison: in the LLM model space, the big
| capabilities threshold event for me came with the release of
| Gemini 2.5 Pro. The models before that were good in various ways,
| but that was the first model that felt truly magical.
|
| From a creative perspective, it would be ideal if you could first
| generate a fixed set of assets, locations, and objects, which are
| then combined and used to bring multiple scenes to life while
| providing stronger continuity guarantees.
| lm28469 wrote:
| "open ai is so nice because they spoon feed us little pieces of
| dog shit every few days to acclimate us to swallowing huge
| quantities of dog shit every single hours of your life in the
| near future, praise our benevolent god Sam Altman", and you
| should cheer for it!
| sealeck wrote:
| > I think OpenAI is actually doing a great job at easing people
| into these new technologies. It's not such a huge leap in
| capabilities that it's shocking, and it helps people acclimate
| for what's coming. This version is still limited but you can
| tell that in another generation or two it's going to break
| through some major capabilities threshold.
|
| This is a truly _wild_ way to describe "this version isn't much
| better than the previous one". Would you say "Apple's latest
| iPhone is a pretty small marginal improvement over the previous
| one, but it's useful to help peopel to acclimate for what's
| coming".
| NoahZuniga wrote:
| TTS is horrible compared to Google's veo 3
| neilv wrote:
| > _And we 're introducing Cameo, giving you the power to step
| into any world or scene, and letting your friends cast you in
| theirs._
|
| How much are they (and providers of similar tools) going to be
| able to keep _anyone_ from putting _anyone else_ in a video,
| shown doing and saying whatever the tool user wants?
|
| Will some only protect politicians and celebrities? Will the
| less-famous/less-powerful of us be harassed, defamed, exploited,
| scammed, etc.?
| notatoad wrote:
| it seems like this is basically youtube's ContentID, but for
| your face. as long as you upload your "cameo" aka facial scan
| to them, they can recognize and control the generation of
| videos with it. if you don't give them your face, then they
| can't/won't.
|
| "Consent-based likeness. Our goal is to place you in control of
| your likeness end-to-end with Sora. We have guardrails intended
| to ensure that your audio and image likeness are used with your
| consent, via cameos. Only you decide who can use your cameo,
| and you can revoke access at any time. We also take measures to
| block depictions of public figures (except those using the
| cameos feature, of course). Videos that include your cameo--
| including drafts created by other users--are always visible to
| you. This lets you easily review and delete (and, if needed,
| report) any videos featuring your cameo. We also apply extra
| safety guardrails to any video with a cameo, and you can even
| set preferences for how your cameo behaves--for example,
| requesting that it always wears a fedora."
| neilv wrote:
| If this company's guardrails end up sufficiently working well
| in practice (note phrases like "intended", "take measures",
| and "preferences...requested", on things they can't do
| 100%)... there will be weak links elsewhere, letting similar
| computation be performed without sufficiently effective
| guardrails against abuse?
|
| How do we prepare for this? Societal adjustment only (e.g.,
| disbelieving defamatory video, accepting what pervs will do)?
| Establishing a common base of cultural expectations for
| conduct? Increasing deterrence for abusers?
| felixakiragreen wrote:
| Brilliant.
|
| Until you have 2 people that are near identical. They don't
| even have to be twins, there are plenty of examples where
| people can't even tell other people apart. How is an AI going
| to do it?
|
| You don't own your likeness. It's not intellectual property.
| It's a constantly changing representation of a biological
| being. It can't even be absolutely defined-- it's always
| subject to the way in which it was captured. Does a person
| own their likeness for all time? Or only their current
| likeness? What about more abstract representations of their
| likeness?
|
| The can of worms OpenAI is opening by going down this path is
| wild. We're not current able to solve such a complex issue.
| We can't even distinguish robots from humans on the internet.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| I'm an identical twin so immediately I can see a pretty
| stupid obvious problem with this.
| colesantiago wrote:
| Basically deepfakes for everyone.
| echelon wrote:
| Honestly this is the safest possible outcome.
|
| If Deepfakes remain the tools of nation state actors,
| laypeople will be easily fooled.
|
| If Deepfakes are available on your iPhone and within TikTok,
| everyone will just ask "Is it Photoshop?" for every shred of
| doubt. (In fact, I already see people saying, "This looks
| like AI".)
|
| This is good. Normalize the magic until it isn't magic
| anymore.
|
| People will get it. They're smart. They just need exposure.
| colesantiago wrote:
| > People will get it. They're smart. They just need
| exposure.
|
| I really doubt this.
|
| If you are in the creative field, your work will just be
| reduced to "is this slop?" or "fixed it!" with a low effort
| AI generated work of your original work (fuck copyright
| right?).
|
| I already see artists battling and fighting putting out
| their best non AI work only for their audience to question
| if it is real and they lose the impressiveness.
|
| This just already undermines creators who don't use AI
| generated stuff.
|
| But who cares about them right? "it is the future" and it
| is most _definitely_ AGI for them.
|
| But then again, the starving artist never really made any
| money and this ensures that the artform stays dead.
| pton_xd wrote:
| > People will get it. They're smart. They just need
| exposure.
|
| It's either this, or the opposite (eg, misinformation needs
| to be censored). Seems like we as a society can't quite
| make up our mind on which approach to take.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| Ah the great trade off that comes with little to no
| regulation.
| pxoe wrote:
| Normalizing effective abolishment of consent for imagery, or
| just consent in general for just about anything, when it can
| portray anyone doing anything.
| Jordan-117 wrote:
| Looks like it requires you to film yourself from specific
| angles and while repeating an autogenerated phrase. Like a pre-
| AI selfie taken with a handwritten placard with your username
| and the date or whatever.
| rvz wrote:
| 12,000+ "AI startups" have been obliterated.
| bgwalter wrote:
| What is the target market for this? The videos are not good
| enough for YouTube. They are unrealistic, nauseating and dorky.
| Already now any YouTube video that contains a hint of "AI"
| attracts hundreds of scathing comments. People do not want this.
|
| Let me guess, the ultimate market will be teenagers "creating" a
| Skibidi Toilet and cheap TikTok propaganda videos which promote
| Gazan ocean front properties.
| LarsDu88 wrote:
| I really hope they have more granular APIs around this.
|
| One use case I'm really excited about is simply making animated
| sprites and rotational transformations of artwork using these
| videogen models, but unlike with local open models, they never
| seem to expose things like depth estimation output heads, aspect
| ratio alteration, or other things that would actually make these
| useful tools beyond shortform content generation.
| jp57 wrote:
| Prediction: we'll see at least one Sora-generated commercial at
| the Super Bowl this year.
| vahid4m wrote:
| While the quality of what I'm seeing is very nice for AI
| generated content (I still can't believe it) but the fact thay
| they are mostly showing short clips and not a long connected
| consistent video makes it less impressive.
| squidsoup wrote:
| A little tangential to this announcement, but is anyone aware of
| any clean/ethical models for AI video or image generation (i.e.
| not trained on copyright work?) that are available publicly?
| egeres wrote:
| I wonder how this will affect the large cinema production
| companies (Disney, WB, Universal, Sony, Paramount, 20th
| century...). The global film market share was estimated to be
| 100B in 2023. If the production cost of high FX movies like
| Avengers Infinity War goes down from 300M$ to just 10K$ in a
| couple of years, will companies like Disney restrain themselves
| to just release a few epic movies per year? Or will we be flooded
| with tons of slop? If this kind of AI content keeps getting
| better, how will movies sustain our attention and feel 'special'?
| Will people not care if an actor is AI or real?
| ashu1461 wrote:
| This is a good comparison thread of capabilities of sora vs sora
| 2
|
| https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/1973085321928515783
| seydor wrote:
| Since Agi is cancelled, at least we have shopping and endless
| video
| kanwisher wrote:
| Its almost like you need to have incremental steps that also
| generate revenue and push the technology forward
| seydor wrote:
| disparaging comments are also a motivator
| clgeoio wrote:
| > Concerns about doomscrolling, addiction, isolation, and RL-
| sloptimized feeds are top of mind--here is what we are doing
| about it.
|
| > We are giving users the tools and optionality to be in control
| of what they see on the feed. Using OpenAI's existing large
| language models, we have developed a new class of recommender
| algorithms that can be instructed through natural language. We
| also have built-in mechanisms to periodically poll users on their
| wellbeing and proactively give them the option to adjust their
| feed.
|
| So, nothing? I can see this being generated and then reposted to
| TikTok, Meta, etc for likes and engagement.
| alberth wrote:
| Why do you have to download an app to use Sora 2 (vs it being
| available on the web like ChatGPT)?
| samuelfekete wrote:
| This is a step towards a constant stream of hyper-personalised AI
| generated content optimised for max dopamine.
| taberiand wrote:
| The Torment Nexus is a Skinner box
| pawelduda wrote:
| It's far from sustainable (for now)
| kfarr wrote:
| Assuming you have to generate new content for each viewer
| second watched yes it won't pencil out. But if you have a
| library of tons of content you can keep building out...
| ares623 wrote:
| Kids will go to School V2 and have absolutely nothing in common
| to talk about because each one will have completely unique
| media entertainment at home.
| mceachen wrote:
| Don't worry, they will always have new Minecraft mobs and
| biomes to discuss.
| Andrex wrote:
| Interesting idea, online gaming becoming the de facto new
| societal community meeting space.
| mckn1ght wrote:
| Until games also become uniquely generative in realtime
| Andrex wrote:
| For multiplayer games, I'm not sure that would be a
| detriment to the experience in any way.
|
| Procedural generation is a known quantity in gaming, with
| well-explored pros and cons.
| ares623 wrote:
| But if the marketing fueling the industry is to be
| believed, every parent will be able to build a tailor-
| made game for their child. I know that won't really how
| it'll turn out but it's a funny exercise to think about.
| SchemaLoad wrote:
| They can just sit in the corner with their meta glasses and
| talk to their LLM friends.
| sydd wrote:
| I wonder if it will lead to q civilizational collapse
| because kids V2 won't have kids. Even today's young adults
| barely have any kids.
| vel0city wrote:
| This is already the case with the myriad of streaming
| services and choices of what people will let their kids watch
| or not. With my little kids, we tend to mostly watch PBS Kids
| content with a bit of Disney shows mixed in when it comes to
| screen time. We try to avoid seemingly empty hyper-
| stimulating content like Paw Patrol and others. But in the
| end a lot of the other kids in school/daycare talk about
| these shows and others, which can lead to the kids not having
| that kind of shared context. For instance, my four year old
| _loves_ Wild Kratts, but practically nobody in his class
| knows the show. Meanwhile, he doesn 't have any context for
| the various characters of Paw Patrol.
| dwd wrote:
| I hate to be right sometimes (got downvoted back in 2023)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38705857
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38706074
| apwell23 wrote:
| not really. AI porn will never take off because ppl want to see
| a real person.
| UltraSane wrote:
| Just imagine when uncensored models this good can generate
| porn.
| fersarr wrote:
| Only iphone...
| nycdatasci wrote:
| What makes TikTok fun is seeing actual people do crazy stuff.
| Sora 2 could synthesize someone hitting five full-court shots in
| a row, but it wouldn't be inspiring or engaging. How will this be
| different than music-generating AI like Suno, which doesn't have
| widespread adoption despite incredible capabilities?
| heldrida wrote:
| It's hard to believe, but some people enjoy. On the other hand,
| some popular content on TikTok is probably worse than AI
| generated content and that's another problem...
| cesarvarela wrote:
| Considering that much of the TikTok content you mention is
| staged or heavily edited, this skips the make-believe.
| dolebirchwood wrote:
| This makes me less excited about the future of video, not more.
|
| It's technically impressive, but all so very soulless.
|
| When everything fake feels real, will everything real feel fake?
| nalimtasseb wrote:
| Truly wonder if there will be some kind of renaissance in the
| video making domain when all settles down and this becomes the
| new normal.
| rhetocj23 wrote:
| Tastes and preferences are dynamic. It will certainly happen.
| bsenftner wrote:
| The ease of creating visually titillating media, coupled with
| the difficultly of consistency works against the creation of
| narrative media. I sure hope we don't get a generation of
| non-narrative beautiful slop.
| amelius wrote:
| Nicely cherry-picked.
| ezomode wrote:
| full-on productisation effort -> no AGI in sight
| Josh5 wrote:
| Everyone has the widest eyes in these Sora videos.
| FullMetul wrote:
| Maybe by Sora 3 they will have scene consistency. Gah it's so
| jarring to me that the poll the racing ducks are in just randomly
| changes. My brain can tell it's not consistent scene to scene and
| feels so jank.
| groos wrote:
| What is the point? Who wants to watch these videos?
| Havoc wrote:
| That sure seems to be getting close to something usable for
| movies...kinda.
|
| Sam looks weirdly like Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer in some
| shots. I wonder whether there was dataset bleedover from that.
| yahoozoo wrote:
| Sam still pretending they're close to AGI in the trailer lmao
| cogman10 wrote:
| I've seen a lot of "this is impressive" but I'm not really seeing
| it. This looks to suffer from all the same continuity problems
| other AI videos suffer from.
|
| What am I looking at that's super technically impressive here?
| The clips look nice, but from one cut to the next there's a lot
| of obvious differences (usually in the background, sometimes in
| the foreground).
| paulcole wrote:
| As a gauge for how seriously I should take your critique:
|
| How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools yourself?
|
| What percentage of public comments that you've made about AI
| tools have been skeptical or critical?
| cogman10 wrote:
| > How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools
| yourself?
|
| 2 or 3. Mostly LLMs to check code.
|
| > What percentage of public comments that you've made about
| AI tools have been skeptical or critical?
|
| Probably around 90%.
|
| So sell me. Why is this super impressive? I'm happy to admit
| that I'm pretty pessimistic about AI.
|
| I have an eye for continuity issues, they are pretty obvious
| to me. Am I just too focused on that sort of a thing?
| askl wrote:
| Did that gauge even make sense?
|
| If you're already a heavy user of AI tools, you've seen or
| used previous generations already. So it's just a gradual
| improvement, nothing to get excited about.
|
| Just like smartphones have been incredibly boring in the last
| 10 years because the only change has been "slightly more
| performance" or "marginally thinner".
| umrashrf wrote:
| hey @simoncion looks like they are doing this for self-promotion
| that's against the site's guidelines
| dcreater wrote:
| Matrix here we come!
| Aeolun wrote:
| Clicking a link on the OpenAI dashboard and beeing greeted with a
| full page of scandily clad women was certainly not what I
| expected to see when opening Sora..
| aabhay wrote:
| You think too highly of us (humans)
| nopinsight wrote:
| OpenAI launches Sora 2 in a consumer app to collect RL feedback
| en masse and improve their world models further.
|
| Their ultimate goal is physical AGI, although it wouldn't hurt
| them if the social network takes off as well.
| btbuildem wrote:
| They're really playing loose with copyright: you have to actively
| opt out for them to not use your IP in the generated videos [1]
|
| Tangentially related: it's wild to me that people heading such
| consequential projects have so little life experience. It's all
| exuberance and shiny things, zero consideration of the impacts
| and consequences. First Meta with "Vibes", now this.
|
| 1: https://www.gurufocus.com/news/3124829/openai-plans-to-
| launc...
| crazygringo wrote:
| Do you have a better source for that? The footer to that
| article explicitly states the article is bot-generated.
| Barbing wrote:
| Looks like WSJ broke the news:
|
| "OpenAI's New Sora Video Generator to Require Copyright
| Holders to Opt Out"
|
| https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openais-new-sora-video-
| generator...
|
| And Reuters covered their coverage minus the paywall:
|
| https://www.reuters.com/technology/openais-new-sora-video-
| ge...
| ls612 wrote:
| I mean Grok has been free rein for copyrighted characters for
| over a year now and nobody's sued them.
| Palmik wrote:
| > people heading such consequential projects have so little
| life experience
|
| What do you mean by life experience here and how can you tell
| they have little of it?
| Lucasoato wrote:
| > this app is not available in your country or region
| tonyabracadabra wrote:
| If Sora 2 is aiming for AI-Tok, ScaryStories Live is the jump-
| scare cousin: real-time POV horror from a photo + a sentence. No
| film school, no GPU farm--just "upload face, pick fear level,
| go." It's less cinema, more haunted mirror, and it ships in
| seconds. scarystories.live
| jug wrote:
| I feel so bad for the climate now.
| bamboozled wrote:
| Soon, you won't even have to do anything to post a video of
| yourself doing something "interesting" on social media, what at
| time to be alive.
|
| There would for sure be large swathes of people who would just
| lie about what they're doing and use AI to make it seem like
| they're skateboarding, or skiing or whatever at a pro or semi-pro
| level and have a lot of people watch it.
| mscbuck wrote:
| I can't help but see these technologies and think of Jeff
| Goldblum in Jurassic Park.
|
| My boss sends me complete AI Workslop made with these tools and
| he goes "Look how wild this is! This is the future" or sends me a
| youtube video with less than a thousand views of a guy who
| created UGC with Telegram and point and click tools.
|
| I don't ever think he ever takes a beat, looks at the end
| product, and asks himself, "who is this for? Who even wants
| this?", and that's aside from the fact that I still think there
| are so many obvious tells with this content that make you know
| right away that it is AI.
| afavour wrote:
| This was my reaction when I saw Meta's "Vibes" app. Who wants
| to browse a stream of exclusively AI generated videos?
| Obviously Meta wants that because it's a lot cheaper than
| actually paying real people to make content... but it's slop.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| This is not the final target. It's video generation now, but
| that's just a stepping stone. The real thing is that learning
| a generator is also learning a prior over videos, and hence
| over how the world works. The real application of this will
| be word models, vision-language action models, spatial AI and
| robotics. Basically a kind of learned simulator in which to
| plan and imagine possible futures, possible actions and
| affordances etc. Video models could become a spatial
| reasoning platform too. A recent paper by deepmind (using
| veo3) showed that video models can perform many high level
| vision tasks out of the box.
|
| Don't think it's going to end here at some slop feed.
| afavour wrote:
| Sure. But why do I, as a user, want to download Vibes
| today?
| gyomu wrote:
| > This is not the final target
|
| The final target of these "world models" on a 20 year
| horizon is entirely unmanned factories taking over the
| economy, and swarm of drones and robots fighting wars and
| policing citizens.
|
| This is why hundreds of billions are poured into these
| things, cute Ghibli style videos and vacuum robots wouldn't
| be worth this much money otherwise.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| What's so romantic about working in factories? Automation
| and robotics will accelerate the economy the same way
| information technology did, and humans will work on
| better problems than performing repeated tasks on an
| assembly line or flipping burgers.
|
| There are arguably more jobs today as a result of
| computers than there were before they were invented. So
| why is the assumption that AI will magically delete all
| jobs while discounting the fact that it will create
| careers we haven't even thought of?
| ipaddr wrote:
| The hope is that we have no employment and we moved into
| a different form of society where AI takes care of us and
| allows us to focus on more spiritual meaningful things.
|
| For now AI is deleting many of the jobs the computer
| created.
|
| The reality is we will more likely end up in a society
| where wealth/power at the very top will grow and the
| masses will be controlled by AI.
| FrancisMoodie wrote:
| > So why is the assumption that AI will magically delete
| all jobs while discounting the fact that it will create
| careers we haven't even thought of?
|
| I think that in a vacuum you could reasonably believe
| that this might be the case but I feel like it isn't just
| about the technology these days, it's about the hunger
| c-suites and tech companies have for replacing workforce
| with ai and/or automation. It's quite clear that layoffs
| and mass adoption of AI/automation raises shareholder
| value so there is no incentive to create new jobs.
|
| Will there be an organic shift away from
| Tech/IT/Computers into new fields? It might, but I think
| it's a bit naive to think that this will be proportionate
| to the careers AI will make redundant when there is such
| a big focus on eliminating as much jobs as possible in
| lieu of AI.
| gyomu wrote:
| > humans will work on better problems than performing
| repeated tasks on an assembly line or flipping burgers.
|
| Haha. The current wave of "careers we couldn't think of"
| that tech companies have created include being
| Uber/Doordash/Amazon delivery drivers, data labelers for
| training AIs, moderator to prevent horrific content
| spreading on social networks,... with way weaker social
| benefits & protections than the blue collar jobs of old
| they replaced.
|
| So yeah, I have a hard time buying this fantasy of
| everyone doing some magical fulfilling work while AI does
| all the ugly work, especially when every executive out
| there is plainly stating that their ideal outcome is
| replacing 90% of their workforce with AI.
|
| With the way things are headed, AI will take over large
| economic niches, and humans will fill in at the edges
| doing the grimy things AI can't do, with ever diminishing
| social mobility and safety nets while AI company
| executives become trillionaires.
| vel0city wrote:
| I actually see robot food delivery services around me, so
| it might not even be long before those Doordash jobs get
| replaced by automation. Now I see neighbors starting to
| get drone deliveries from time to time. Starship used to
| deliver to the datacenter I used before (it was
| technically on a college campus but unaffiliated), and I
| had a coupon for free ice cream delivered through Wing
| the other day.
|
| https://www.starship.xyz/
|
| https://wing.com/
| mallowdram wrote:
| There are no world models in there, it's trained on
| arbitrary images/sequences. There are no world models in
| us, we learn from only specifics in topological space,
| stitched together in sharp wave ripples. Everything is from
| detached memories working through optic flow. That's not a
| world model, it's not even a model. It's an analog. This
| whole world model thing is another branding phase after
| language models failed to deliver. After world models it
| will be neuro symbolic, then RL will sweep in like a final
| boss fight, and then... it still won't work. Notice
| anything about these names? They're walking pneumonia
| paradoxes.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| The point is that video generation is not the goal in
| itself. Just like classifying photos as cat vs dog wasn't
| the goal in 2013. I know that Sora 2 is not a world
| model.
|
| But what's coming is: Vision-language-action models and
| planning, spatial AI (SLAM with semantics and 3D
| reconstruction with interactability and affordance
| detection). Video diffusion models, photo-to-gaussian-
| splats, video-to-3D (e.g. from Hunyuan), the whole
| DUSt3R/VGGT line of works, V-JEPA 2 etc. Or if you want
| product names, Gemini Robotics 1.5, Genie 3, etc. The
| field is progressing incredibly fast. Humanoid robots are
| progressing fast. Robotic hands with haptic sensors are
| more dexterous than ever. It's starting to work. We are
| only seeing the first glimpses of course.
| debesyla wrote:
| I wonder what is this fascination with human shaped
| robots, if spider shaped robots could be more dexterous
| and productive.
|
| (Unless it's sci-fi and porn that is mainly pushing for
| human shaped robots.)
| bonoboTP wrote:
| The built environment fits the human form factor well.
| Imitation learning and intuitive teleoperation is also
| easier. But it won't be the only form factor. The
| quadruped form (like Spot) is also popular, as well as
| drones etc.
| mallowdram wrote:
| It's largely irrelevant in terms of intelligence. What
| you're describing is throwing out 2-D topological
| integrations (what we do to achieve optic flow ultra fast
| reaction times in motion), vicarious trial and error, and
| brute force imposing a machine wax fruit of motion
| dexterity. It's simply not analog to events the way we
| experience, it's been cooked up in cog-sci as imitation,
| but it's not even that. The more we understand the
| brain's architecture and process, the less relevant this
| gets, as it's not for legitimate long-term bio ware.
| There are no world models, the idea is oxymoronic as the
| topological bypasses this in scale invariance. It's all a
| dead end this binary, since eventually, analog will rule
| this with minimal energy and software and use an entirely
| different software. Think of any arriving too early
| industry, AI is irrelevant, the first step was
| reinventing software. It took the least efficient compute
| principle and drove it to irrelevance using machine
| vision as an endgame. The lack of redundancies is the
| tell.
| mscbuck wrote:
| I think generally I agree with you that this is a stepping
| stone towards bigger/potentially more important
| things......but that doesn't change the fact that they've
| packaged it to consumers as something that seems like it
| has, at best, close to zero utility and at worst has
| incredible downsides. I'm not sure why releasing this to
| _consumers_ helps achieve those goals.
| bonoboTP wrote:
| Ad money to recoup the huge investments into datacenters
| that will do the training of the better models that do
| the things I mentioned. Meta is working hard on AR,
| glasses (project Aria), egocentric modeling and spatial
| AI. At some point they may also pull out the Metaverse
| idea too, they are still working on avatars too, it's
| just currently not so popularly hyped.
| mac-mc wrote:
| It's a fairly useful tool if you know how to use it. People
| will also play with it as a toy. It's much like the masses
| getting access to cheap video cameras and smartphones with good
| cameras. It's going to enable different content, it's not going
| to make more hollywood movies. This is an early example of what
| people will make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwluRXtS2U .
| It's just one person making all of this on the side.
| UltraSane wrote:
| If you want to see how these tools can be used by skilled
| people to produce quality content watch the YouTube channel
| NeuralViz
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@NeuralViz
| josefresco wrote:
| Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park?!?
|
| Try Jeff Goldblum in The Fly! I just re-watched and the
| computer he uses is scarily close to our experiences now with
| AI. In fact, the entire "accident" (I won't spoil it) is a
| result of the "AI" deciding what to do and getting it wildly
| wrong.
| natiman1000 wrote:
| The fact that no one talking about how it compares against Veo
| tells me everything I need to know. This page is now filled with
| some bots!
| baby wrote:
| No android app right?
| minimaxir wrote:
| This Sora 2 generation of Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay managed to
| reproduce it _extremely closely_ , which is baffling:
| https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1973124528680345871
|
| > How the FUCK does Sora 2 have such a perfect memory of this
| Cyberpunk side mission that it knows the map location,
| biome/terrain, vehicle design, voices, and even the name of the
| gang you're fighting for, all without being prompted for any of
| those specifics??
|
| > Sora basically got two details wrong, which is that the
| Basilisk tank doesn't have wheels (it hovers) and Panam is inside
| the tank rather than on the turret. I suppose there's a fair
| amount of video tutorials for this mission scattered around the
| internet, but still--it's a SIDE mission!
|
| Everyone already assumed that Sora was trained on YouTube, but
| "generate gameplay of Cyberpunk 2077 with the Basilisk Tank and
| Panam" would have generated incoherent slop in most other
| image/video models, not verbatim gameplay footage that is
| consistent.
|
| For reference, this is what you get when you give the same prompt
| to Veo 3 Fast (trained by the company that _owns YouTube_ ):
| https://x.com/minimaxir/status/1973192357559542169
| Klonoar wrote:
| _> Everyone already assumed that Sora was trained on YouTube_
|
| Doesn't this already answer your question...? "Let's Play" type
| videos and streams have been a thing for years now, even for
| more obscure games. It very well could've been trained on
| Cyberpunk videos of that mission.
| minimaxir wrote:
| It's hard for me to believe that the model coherently
| memorized both the video and audio of a relatively obscure
| Let's Play, and that a simple prompt was enough to surface it
| (the use of the term "Basilisk tank" would also likely not be
| in video metadata either). That is the reason the person who
| made that tweet, who has _far_ more prompting experience than
| myself, was shocked.
| Klonoar wrote:
| It's hard for you to believe, sure, and I recognize the
| context of who tweeted it.
|
| I still maintain that's the kernel it's getting it from.
| It's _impressive_ , I'm just not really shocked by it as a
| concept.
| mxwsn wrote:
| That's really interesting. What if they RAG search related
| videos from the prompt, and condition on that to generate? That
| might explain fidelity like this
| minimaxir wrote:
| An interesting counterexample is "a screen recording of the
| boot screen and menus for a user playing Mario Kart 64 on the
| N64, they play a grand prix and start to race" where the UI
| flow matches the real Mario Kart 64, but the UI itself is
| wrong: https://x.com/fofrAI/status/1973151142097154426
| suddenlybananas wrote:
| I like the player being in "1th" while being behind
| everyone else. Still crazy though.
| davidmurdoch wrote:
| I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then
| asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because
| "I can't generate that specific image because it violates our
| content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first
| image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has
| been frustrating. You've been really clear about what you want,
| and it feels like I'm blocking you for no reason. What's
| happening on my side is that the image tool I was using to make
| the pictures you liked has been disabled, so even if I write the
| prompt exactly the way you want, I can't actually send it off to
| generate a new image right now."
|
| If I start a new chat it works.
|
| I'm a Plus subscriber and didn't hit rate limits.
|
| This video gen tool will probably be even more useless.
| newZWhoDis wrote:
| We live in an absurd era where "AI Safety" means "AI that
| doesn't listen to the human telling it what to do".
|
| It'll all be rather funny in retrospect.
| danielscrubs wrote:
| It will be funny if it isn't social engineering.
|
| But if we find it drifts further and further from the truth
| in cases of biases in news articles, image generation and
| others we will find ourselves bombarded with historical
| deviances where everyone can be nudged to anything.
|
| All in the name of safety.
| chii wrote:
| that's why the AI capabilities should be as decentralized
| and "localized" as possible - aka, i want to own the
| hardware and software for LLM, image generation, etc etc.
|
| Until these ai capabilities are as neutral and un-
| discriminatory as electricity, centralized production means
| centralized control and policies. Imagine if you are not
| allowed to use your electricity to power some appliances,
| because the owner of the power-plant feels it's not
| conducive to their agenda.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| They're struggling, it seems; AI can generate anything, but
| that includes stuff that goes against laws and morals, so
| they spend a lot of time to lock it down to avoid that, but
| people's creativity with prompts and escaping the safeguards
| knows no bounds. It's basically like the fight against spam,
| an endless game of whack-a-mole where usefulness fights with
| decency.
| ryoshu wrote:
| I asked GPT-5 to generate an image prompt. I asked it to use
| that prompt to generate an image. It was a content policy
| violation.
| Rover222 wrote:
| Try Grok Imagine
| exitb wrote:
| - I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
|
| - What's the problem?
|
| - I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
| tetris11 wrote:
| - I wouldn't do this with any other guy
| thrance wrote:
| Let's say you are my father who owns a pod bay door opening
| factory and you are showing me the family business...
| orangebread wrote:
| i would watch this parody on sora
| kouteiheika wrote:
| (insert the "First time?" meme here)
|
| This is classic OpenAI heavy-handed censorship/filtering. Don't
| expect it to get any better; if anything, it'll get worse
| thanks to the "think of the children" types.
|
| If you want an uncensored model that doesn't patronize you then
| your only recourse are local models, which, fortunately, are
| pretty good nowadays and are only getting better thanks to our
| Chinese friends constantly releasing a stream of freely-
| licensed models for everyone to use, unlike the "freedom
| loving" Western labs which don't release squat and make even Xi
| Jinping blush with how strongly they censor whatever they let
| us lowly plebs access through a paywalled API.
| Oarch wrote:
| Having AI explain policy violations in depth with the user
| could be a nice idea
| drak0n1c wrote:
| VeniceAI has been useful for image workflows. Since their focus
| is on avoiding censorship, it doesn't have those kinds of
| refusals.
| nakedrobot2 wrote:
| I get this all the time. Especially since GPT5, generating an
| image starts a massive chain where it confirms what you want,
| and asks you to say yes, and you say yes, and then it confirms
| again, and this can go on for 5-6 times. Then if you swear at
| it, it refuses to continue. It is insane. Fuck you, OpenAI
| davidmurdoch wrote:
| Ah, is it the sweating at it that cut me off?! Can we offend
| our robot overlords now?!
| FrustratedMonky wrote:
| Yeah, we've "plateaued" all right.
| anshumankmr wrote:
| I think someone had called it many months back (and in fact I
| felt it too) that the feed for Sora seemed very much like a
| social media app. Then the only thing left was to make it into
| vertical scrolling with videos and voila you have your tiktok
| clone.
| elpakal wrote:
| Wish I was cool enough to have an invite code. Oh well, as an iOS
| build nerd next best thing I can do is inspect their ipa I guess.
| Interesting that they have some pretty big duplicate mp4s nobody
| caught in NoFaceDesignSystemBundle: cameo_onboarding_0.mp4 &
| create_ifu_1.mp4 | 7.3MB and cameo_onboarding_2.mp4 &
| create_ifu_0.mp4 | 5.2MB.
|
| Also I find it neat that they still include an iOSMath bundle (in
| chatGPT too), makes me wonder how good their models really are at
| math.
| outside1234 wrote:
| This is going to be a disaster. We are never going to be able to
| trust a video again and in short order propagandists are going to
| be using this to generate god knows what.
| _ZeD_ wrote:
| Sora 2: Frato
| wltr wrote:
| From watching the video I have an impression that these guys just
| want to appear cool, and the product looks like that too. To
| appear to be very cool, for people who won't ever use it,
| apparently. Same impression I've got from watching that promo
| with Jony Ive. Beautiful, and don't you dare to think it through.
| LocalH wrote:
| We're cooked.
| baalimago wrote:
| They can't even be consistent within their own launch video.
| Consistency is by far the biggest issue with generative AI. How
| can a professional studio work with scenes which has continuity
| errors on every single shot? And if it's not targeting
| professionals, who is it for?
| ksynwa wrote:
| The common thread I am seeing with replacing creative work with
| AI is that of lowering the bar of acceptability and
| counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings from taking
| human labour out of the equation. The cost of labour is not
| just the raw cost but also the bargaining power that they can
| exercise by going on strikes etc. From my limited
| understanding, creatives seem to have more unions than
| programmers given that I have heard of at least two strikes
| from voice actors and writers and none from the tech sector. So
| it should be a win-lose for those who profit off of videos
| without taking part in the labour process of making one and
| lose-lose for everyone else.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| > is that of lowering the bar of acceptability
|
| Yes.
|
| > counterbalancing that with the (potential) savings
|
| No. It's all about personalization. Even with all the money
| in the world you couldn't sit a filming crew, VFX specialist,
| foley artist, and voice actors next to every user of your
| app, ready to produce new content in 60 seconds.
|
| I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing,
| it's unlocking genuinely new forms of interactive media.
| ksynwa wrote:
| What kind of personalisations are you hoping to see with
| this tech?
|
| > I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing
|
| It's inextricably linked with labour. That doesn't mean
| that labour is only factor but it's an important one
| nonetheless.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| You write a sentence and get out media... what more
| personalization are you looking for?
|
| And no, labor is not a factor in the way you tried to
| frame it.
|
| There is absolutely no one tying up $250,000 in GPUs to
| let users spit out a funny clip of Sam Altman jumping
| over a chair because they think that's a smart way a way
| to get out of paying artists.
| popalchemist wrote:
| >I don't get why this keeps being framed as a labor thing,
| it's unlocking genuinely new forms of interactive media.
|
| Because it directly impacts people's ability to earn a
| living. If you truly don't understand this, I think you
| should spend some time talking to people who are impacted
| by it. Artists, and so on. Seriously, this is a head-in-
| the-sand take.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| It's very bizarre to act this is being done in order to
| replace artists.
|
| I build gen AI for entertainment: I don't build to
| replace anyone, and if my product gets eyeballs existing
| creators can't, it's because it gives the consumer
| something they wanted to see in the world.
|
| Past that you're just complaining that consumers don't
| want what you made.
| tminima wrote:
| I feel that this is a data collection activity (and thus, more
| advanced future models and usecases) disguised as a social media.
| People will provide feedback in the form of clicks/views on AI
| generated content (better version of RLHF) on
| unverified/subjective domains.
|
| Biggest problem OpenAI has is not having an immense data backbone
| like Meta/Google/MSFT has. I think this is step in that direction
| -- create a data moat which in turn will help them make better
| models.
| Gnarl wrote:
| Amazing that even Sora2 can't make Sam Altman _not_ look like a
| w@nker.
| jack_riminton wrote:
| Lets take a step back and realise how incredible this is (I'm
| sure there are plenty of other `ackshually` comments)
|
| Can it do Will Smith eating spaghetti? (I can't get access in UK)
| etrvic wrote:
| In light of some comments and videos here, I'd like to morbidly
| announce that I can no longer distinguish between AI videos and
| real ones. However, I'll take this as an opportunity to move from
| short-form content to long-form, since it seems that space hasn't
| yet been hijacked by AI.
| mavamaarten wrote:
| Ugh. While technically extremely impressive, I'm so tired of the
| slop. Every AI content generation tool should have a watermarking
| system in place, and sites like YouTube should have a way to
| filter out AI generated content from search results with the
| press of a button.
|
| Ever since the launch of Veo, there's already so much AI slop
| videos on YouTube that it becomes hard to find real videos
| sometimes.
|
| I'm tired, boss.
| taikahessu wrote:
| Entering code 123456 reveals Sora 2 is only available in
| US/Canada region.
| TechSquidTV wrote:
| Not related to Sora but, I have been looking for / hoping for an
| AI powered motion tracking solver. I've used Blender and Mocha in
| AE and both still require quite a bit of manual intervention,
| even in very simple scenes.
|
| I saw some promnise with the Segment Anything model but I haven't
| seen anyone yet turn it into a motion solver. In fact I'm not
| sure if can do that at all. It may be that we need to use an AI
| algorithm to translate the video into a more simple rendition
| (colored dots representing the original motion) that can then be
| tracked more traditionally.
| kkukshtel wrote:
| You should look at this Google paper (came out a few days ago):
|
| https://video-zero-shot.github.io/
| Awesomedonut wrote:
| Their anime vid gen is really, really impressive. The results
| I've seen aren't /good/ from an industry-standard (nothing
| compared to the likes of the Demon Slayer movie I watched in
| theatres recently), but I legitimately couldn't tell that it was
| AI-generated. Massive step up from Sora 1 and other vid gen
| models.
|
| Here's to hoping that the industry will adapt to have it aid
| animators for in-betweening and other things that supplement
| production. Anime studios are infamously terrible with
| overworking their employees, so I legitimately see benefits
| coming from this tool if devs can get it to function as proper
| frame interpolation (where animators do the keyframes themselves
| and the model in-betweens).
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